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On June 26 2011 03:55 Nagisa. wrote:
Disclaimer: I have made lots of mistakes in my past regarding my attitude, I've even gotten banned on TL for dis-respect, which I am currently trying to change.
Hi guys, my names Nagisa and I'm a 13 year old 1400 Masters Terran player aspiring for a GSL win, but I find it extremely interesting that most tournaments are 16+ or 18+, why? I have to go out of my way, talk to admins for 30 minutes to hours, wait for responses that don't come. I don't understand just because some of us are immature means that the rest of us have to suffer? I know plenty of 20 year old's that act MUCH more immature than I do. Oh and the best part being if anyone ever catches wind of me being 13, I get hounded on, my ignore list is becoming my best friend on SC2.
The two bolded parts are contradictory to each other.
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On June 27 2011 09:59 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 03:55 Nagisa. wrote:
Disclaimer: I have made lots of mistakes in my past regarding my attitude, I've even gotten banned on TL for dis-respect, which I am currently trying to change.
Hi guys, my names Nagisa and I'm a 13 year old 1400 Masters Terran player aspiring for a GSL win, but I find it extremely interesting that most tournaments are 16+ or 18+, why? I have to go out of my way, talk to admins for 30 minutes to hours, wait for responses that don't come. I don't understand just because some of us are immature means that the rest of us have to suffer? I know plenty of 20 year old's that act MUCH more immature than I do. Oh and the best part being if anyone ever catches wind of me being 13, I get hounded on, my ignore list is becoming my best friend on SC2. The two bolded parts are contradictory to each other.
He is obviously being sarcastic there, he is trying to say he would like to take the game seriously going forward and possibly get involved in the tournament scene as he gets better, 1400 Masters at age 13 is not bad at all, he has lots of time to develop and get better, stop taking everything so literally.
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With age comes independence, at 13 you're not in control of a number of aspects of your life which can largely affect your ability to be a pro-gamer.
In terms of risks when hosting a tournament, yes there are risks by having people 16+ not attending due to work commitments and the like, but the risks are much higher the younger you go. Yes, there are a few <16 year olds who show maturity and are capable of competing on a decent level but the facts are that the large majority of younger players are less mature and less responsible than the average 16+ player. If you're hosting a tournament, specifying 16+ or 18+ age requirement is simply a measure taken to avoid a higher risk demographic.
Everyone thinks they are mature but it is a fact that when you're older you will perpetually say "I'm glad I wasn't the immature and clueless person I was 5 years ago".
When you're 25 you will look back at yourself at the age of 20 and think that you were clueless and immature then, when you are 40 you will look back at the age of 35 and think you were clueless and immature.
My point is that although you may think you're mature because you don't do a bunch of stupid smilies xD ;D ^.^ the fact remains that everyone always thinks they are currently more mature than they really are.
Stop trying to grow up so fast and enjoy your childhood, or move to Korea if you've got the dedication. Although, would your parents let you?
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On June 27 2011 10:15 Tektos wrote:
When you're 25 you will look back at yourself at the age of 20 and think that you were clueless and immature then, when you are 40 you will look back at the age of 35 and think you were clueless and immature.
Eh, I don't know, speaking as a 40 year old, I think one's maturity stabilizes a little bit in your early 30s. 
We can check back in 20 years to see how OP is doing.
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On June 27 2011 10:08 Rasun wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 09:59 Holcan wrote:On June 26 2011 03:55 Nagisa. wrote:
Disclaimer: I have made lots of mistakes in my past regarding my attitude, I've even gotten banned on TL for dis-respect, which I am currently trying to change.
Hi guys, my names Nagisa and I'm a 13 year old 1400 Masters Terran player aspiring for a GSL win, but I find it extremely interesting that most tournaments are 16+ or 18+, why? I have to go out of my way, talk to admins for 30 minutes to hours, wait for responses that don't come. I don't understand just because some of us are immature means that the rest of us have to suffer? I know plenty of 20 year old's that act MUCH more immature than I do. Oh and the best part being if anyone ever catches wind of me being 13, I get hounded on, my ignore list is becoming my best friend on SC2. The two bolded parts are contradictory to each other. He is obviously being sarcastic there, he is trying to say he would like to take the game seriously going forward and possibly get involved in the tournament scene as he gets better, 1400 Masters at age 13 is not bad at all, he has lots of time to develop and get better, stop taking everything so literally.
I highly doubt you use sarcasm in a serious post, the OP clearly has an incorrect image of professional gamers in his mind, where a 20 year old tends to have had a job, graduate highschool, have his own apartment. Its not universally true, but to be so ignorant to what esports is, a hobby for most people, and degrade it by saying that he is aspiring to become a GSL winner, as if anyone and everyone is able to do it, without you know, talent, and an incredible amount of sacrifice. Young people always think they are more mature than they are, its just a universal truth.
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The Admins shouldn't be ignoring you if your questions are asked in a polite way, there's no excuses for that regardless of your age.
Also 13 yr old is too young to go around traveling around the world to tournaments alone. I doubt your parents would consent to it too. Do you really want to show up in a MLG with your mom and/or dad?
Just wait until you finish high school, keep playing SC2 still of course, by the time the final expansion comes out you'll be at your peak potentially and kick us dinosaurs around. Right now playing online is good enough while you focus on school and enjoying other aspects of life. In the end most kids, especially boys from 13 to 21 are immature and these rules are in place so the tournaments don't have some sort of liability or break some labor laws or whatever. You'll be 16 soon enough.
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On June 27 2011 10:31 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 10:08 Rasun wrote:On June 27 2011 09:59 Holcan wrote:On June 26 2011 03:55 Nagisa. wrote:
Disclaimer: I have made lots of mistakes in my past regarding my attitude, I've even gotten banned on TL for dis-respect, which I am currently trying to change.
Hi guys, my names Nagisa and I'm a 13 year old 1400 Masters Terran player aspiring for a GSL win, but I find it extremely interesting that most tournaments are 16+ or 18+, why? I have to go out of my way, talk to admins for 30 minutes to hours, wait for responses that don't come. I don't understand just because some of us are immature means that the rest of us have to suffer? I know plenty of 20 year old's that act MUCH more immature than I do. Oh and the best part being if anyone ever catches wind of me being 13, I get hounded on, my ignore list is becoming my best friend on SC2. The two bolded parts are contradictory to each other. He is obviously being sarcastic there, he is trying to say he would like to take the game seriously going forward and possibly get involved in the tournament scene as he gets better, 1400 Masters at age 13 is not bad at all, he has lots of time to develop and get better, stop taking everything so literally. I highly doubt you use sarcasm in a serious post, the OP clearly has an incorrect image of professional gamers in his mind, where a 20 year old tends to have had a job, graduate highschool, have his own apartment. Its not universally true, but to be so ignorant to what esports is, a hobby for most people, and degrade it by saying that he is aspiring to become a GSL winner, as if anyone and everyone is able to do it, without you know, talent, and an incredible amount of sacrifice. Young people always think they are more mature than they are, its just a universal truth.
Having ambition to achieve something with professional gaming is degrading it? Are you actually serious? People aspire to be all sorts of things IRL... professional athletes, head of their field, etc.
I think you should stop posting complete bullshit.
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American Heritage Medical Dictionary:
mature ma·ture
adj.
1. Having reached full natural growth or development.
2. Of, relating to, or characteristic of full mental or physical development.
You, no matter how hard you try, are not mature.
Don't go around parading your age, let your skill speak for itself. Good Luck.
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Omg this thread is truly inspiring thread to me because I am also 13 years old and I practice about 4-5 hours a day. I'm 1500 masters and I want to see if I can be a programer :p
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Having looked up all the kid's ranks on sc2ranks and seeing none appear to be a prodigy and simply hover around 50% win-rate I'd say worry about school
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On June 27 2011 09:59 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 03:55 Nagisa. wrote:
Disclaimer: I have made lots of mistakes in my past regarding my attitude, I've even gotten banned on TL for dis-respect, which I am currently trying to change.
Hi guys, my names Nagisa and I'm a 13 year old 1400 Masters Terran player aspiring for a GSL win, but I find it extremely interesting that most tournaments are 16+ or 18+, why? I have to go out of my way, talk to admins for 30 minutes to hours, wait for responses that don't come. I don't understand just because some of us are immature means that the rest of us have to suffer? I know plenty of 20 year old's that act MUCH more immature than I do. Oh and the best part being if anyone ever catches wind of me being 13, I get hounded on, my ignore list is becoming my best friend on SC2. The two bolded parts are contradictory to each other.
Uhhh, what? Those statements are completely unrelated to each other. I wanna know what this kid is doing hanging out with 20 year olds though...
On June 27 2011 11:38 Tenks wrote:
Having looked up all the kid's ranks on sc2ranks and seeing none appear to be a prodigy and simply hover around 50% win-rate I'd say worry about school
You do realize that the Bnet ladder TRIES to get everyone to have a 50% win rate right? Though he is right about keeping up with school. (Least through High School, the notion that you should go right into college is BS in my mind. It is much better to wait to do College when you actually care about the classes and are not just trying to "get it over with")
@OP
That sucks man, I didn't realize there were such age restrictions for tourneys and teams. I suppose it's just protecting themselves legally though, usually such sweeping generalizations like that are just to protect their own backsides. Actually now that I think about it it might be in relation to awarding the prize money? (no idea, but that would definitely qualify as a legal issue)
Hopefully you can find at least some events that will be willing to work with you, or at the very least wait out the 3-5 years without loosing your motivation. If you can keep getting better from where you are now you'll be able to rock out later on when your able to compete, sucks to be forced to wait to get your toes wet though.
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I remember there was a 12 year old kid in GSL quite a few months ago
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Hi 13 years old, after reading your post I feel the need to insult you. It's typical of a kid thinking that adults are less immature then them, but the fact is you are still leeching your parents money. It doesn't matter if you are master or bronze, 13 years old deserve nothing. You fucking kids cry all day about the world is imba, not treating you with respect. You must be thinking now that my words are "immature" and disrespectful, the problem is why should anyone talk to a 13 years old seriously and with respect?
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2 of my players are 13 or under the rest are of us 18 or over, but they have been fine
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I remember there was a 12 year old kid in GSL quite a few months ago
Maru(?)Prime was in the first GSL if I recall correctly. Bastard took out Cella. D:<
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"Being to young for XY" is and always was a statement that is horrible because it's too generalizing.
Yes, most people at a certain age tend to be a certain way.
Also, yes, most women/men/blacks/whites/gays/asexuals/gothics/hiphoppers TEND to be a certain way.
I did a LOT of things which I was "too young for" and it didn't always turn out well.
However, that approach also lead to me making a living off poker while I wasn't even legal to play it, having seen half the world and getting hundreds of experiences I wouldn't want to miss from todays perspective.
Am I lucky? Yes, maybe.
Is it worth trying? I don't know, it's your life.
Will anyone (including you) know whether something is right or not? No, definitly.
fighting~!!
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I have seen a lot of people saying that "College is way more difficult than middle school/high school - it wouldn't be a problem." The difficulty isn't the issue, it is the time commitment. Public schools demand 7 hours of every weekday, whereas in college you may only be in class for a couple of hours a day with a much more flexible schedule more conducive to competing.
Also, I don't care how "mature" you are for your age. For every extremely mature 14 year old, there is an equally mature for his age 21 year old. If I was managing a team, I would sign the 21 year old every time because all things being equal, the 21 year old will have more experience and be more reliable.
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There are several reasons why teams and tournaments specify participants being over a certain age, and many of those reasons have already been stated by many people. Here are just my own thoughts on it.
Getting away from things regarding parents and legal issues, because those things seem fairly black and white (at least in my eyes), I tend to think a lot of organizations don't want to take "risks" with regard to younger players because of the overall mentality of younger people. Not necessarily their overall maturity, but actually the way they think. Generally speaking many kids do not always grasp the big picture of a lot of circumstances. I lot of teams and especially organizations like to put out an image of professionalism to the public, and merely having a young teen on the team, even if they were exceptional, takes away a little bit from that image. Players represent their sponsors, and it is a contractual obligation to do so. Many organizations would not trust a child to uphold their image.
On June 26 2011 03:55 Nagisa. wrote:
… just as we don't treat girls or other ethnicities with disrespect we shouldn't go out of our way to flame kids who don't know better.
I'm glad you think this community doesn't do that, but that sure tells me you don't follow a whole lot of drama that arises in the SC community. It doesn't happen all that often at TL because, thankfully, these forums are pretty well mod'd. However, the world can be a cruel place sometimes, and I guarantee that you have only witnessed a very, very, very small portion that you could possibly be receiving.
But really, why not be a kid for a little?
If you like to play, keep playing. If you want to prove yourself get to GM 1. If you want to be a GSL champion that's cool, but don't you wanna be a kid… at least for a little bit? You've got the rest of your life to work, enjoy your time where you're not burdened by contracts and bills and taxes and legal documents and whatever else there is out there (ugh). Just play, have fun, and enjoy life for the simplicities that it has.
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Just deal with it. If you're mature enough to be around adults, they'll eventually treat you with respect. Approach these experiences as if age wasn't a factor, and most of the community with simply overlook it.
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On June 27 2011 12:19 Hammertime wrote:Maru(?)Prime was in the first GSL if I recall correctly. Bastard took out Cella. D:<
Now it's serious. Ban all under 13's from GSL. Go go Cella <3
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