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1st of all you shouldn't compare racism to people not giving you enough credit just because you are young. If you have sex with a black/asian woman with her consent is okay, but having sex with a minor is a felony. Some decisions are not your to make until you reach a certain age, so age is a factor in this, while age is not.
2nd thing, I don't think people look down on you because you are young. I like VT.Pokebunny a lot and he is only nine. As I said earlier at some age you are not allowed to compete, mostly because of legal issues and parental consent.
You can't say: "I am a minor, but I am way smarter than many people who own a driver's license. Why should I not be allowed to own a driver's license then ? Or take my fair exam."
I know things look unfair when you are young, but trust me, it's way better to not allow individuals under a certain age to participate in tournaments than not to have specific policies about age and get lawsuits, criticism and more....
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they hate you bro 'bus you are 13 and you are masters already :D
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On June 27 2011 01:09 AGsc wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2011 00:16 Sahand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 04:06 Nagisa. wrote:
Again.. Not EVERY single child has to "ask their parent's permission" for everything. It's just another generalization, infact the majority of my friends 95% don't have to do that at all. I think a Job is more demanding than parents + public school. If anything 13 is where everyone should be hitting their prime, you have almost unlimited time. I'm afraid it's comments like this that prove your naivety. I don't mean to be a dick, but until you start to understand why what you've said is unbelievably ignorant, you won't be considered 'mature'. I'm 22, graduating with an MA, and I don't understand why this is "unbelievably ignorant." OP is correct that a job or higher education is more demanding than public school.. If not.. what kind of job are you working? The 18-25 demographic has a higher proportion of successful competitive SC2 players because they have, in many cases, decided not to have traditional jobs and instead devote that time to practice. 13 is grade 8, maybe grade 9. I seem to remember school at that point, and until about my 4th year of college, requiring little to no effort. Add average parents into the mix and they're just grateful that their child has chosen to do something that is mentally stimulating, social, and competitive with the extra time. See Day9 Daily #100! Especially given that SC2 is a 1v1 game, as long as the 13 year old can explain how they beat you later there is nothing inherently worse about a player in that age group.
It isn't about the ability, it is about the legal issue of people being allowed to compete, yeah you can have a high level of game-play, but you are still under your parent's custody.
@ both the OP and the guy I'm responding to
He says that 95% of his friends doesn't have to ask for their parent's permission, he is probably thinking about doing some minor things, I would like to see how far he could get before the age where he can become legally dependant.
Think about it right now if he did something stupid like rob a store with a gun, would the law hold him or his parents responsible? In certain cases if he shot and killed he can be trailed as an "Adult", but at that age they are still considered a juvenile.
@OP
Consider this, if you were just to get up right now and walk out of your house with everything you own, (you probably never had a job yet) so with absolutely nothing not even clothing. Would people think you are a lost kid or some random hobo?
If you have a dream, you can still wait a few years for it, and while you are doing it you can join random local tournaments and start to get known, before you know it you will be playing on the big stage. Many to all BW progamers, even though SC is big in Korea, their parents were fully opposed to them doing so, because many people drop out of school to practice due to the competitiveness of the game. If they don't make it like the other thousand people that are just as skilled as they are, what are they going to do? Some have already dropped out of school or are behind, and who funds them as they fly out to tournaments, for their everyday needs, computer,electric, etc? It is their parents.
At your age, where would you get the money to do all of that? You would have to ask your parents right? That is permission outside of your house, and inside it they are granting your access to it, it is a privilege that you are taking for granted. Your parents can just take everything in your room right now away from you since they paid for it.
You don't have to ask your parent's permission for everything, but there are a lot of things you have to ask for, the rest is granted, and they can take it away from you if they wanted to.
^^That's why the other guy said it was unbelievably ignorant, because the kid doesn't realize the power that his parents hold over him right now, and the amount of stuff he has right now he is taking for granted. He could say that he doesn't have to ask his parents permission, but those forms requiring parent's signature if they aren't over a certain age aren't going to sign themselves.
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On June 26 2011 04:04 _Nano_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 04:02 Mike-965 wrote:
Starcraft 2 is 16+, isn't it?
So you are actually not allowed to play it. Maybe that's also part of the reason?? no its not its 12+ in europe
Really?
My gamebox says PEGI 16???
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lmfao winning a gsl. Keep on dreaming in your little world. 1400 masters?? lol!!
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Unfortunately every group is represented by the loudest ones within it, and I hate to say it, but most loud kids are idiots. By loud I obviously mean the ones who stir up the most attention.
For large groups in general this isn't much of an issue, but for minority groups, that's how they get generalized.
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On June 27 2011 01:53 Fuoeh wrote:
lmfao winning a gsl. Keep on dreaming in your little world. 1400 masters?? lol!!
man your being pretty mean. He said one GSL game not series or match  Also, he wonders about the age thing. And to be honest you really are immature whether you want to accept it or not physiologically you are no where near fully mature (brain and body) and you will react as a result. Hormones and the lack of a fully formed frontal cortex will result in you acting certain ways whether you want to or not without the option of changing your behaviour in the future unless you get older. Tournament organizers just dont want to deal with off the cuff lack of maturity issues that may crop up thats all. Bide your time keep practicing and play some customs or join online small tourneys without an age restriction and you will be fine.
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When I played Starcraft 1 and Myth 2 back in the day, I pretended to be older than I was. I was 16 and told everyone I was 18-21. It allowed me to bypass many of those issues
Not saying you should lie, but I understand where you're coming from
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On June 27 2011 01:20 MindRush wrote:
2nd thing, I don't think people look down on you because you are young. I like VT.Pokebunny a lot and he is only nine.
I laughed hard at that. Pokebunny is 15.
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
13 year olds are annoying whether or not they say they are mature or think that they aren't annoying, you could call it ageism but the thing is most people are young adults/teenagers and don't really want to hang out with a kid.
As far as the professional side goes, kids can't be relied on to attend events or do community stuff and they cannot legally sign contracts. They are also pretty unreliable in general, you have no way of knowing if they are actually serious about becoming a serious competitor and are actually going to train hard or if they are gonna get bored of the game after a while and if real life obligations will take precedent, since children generally don't have any commitments and don't have the experience to properly manage their life.
1.4k masters isn't very good though considering your goals, you are far from joining a salaried team as it is so I wouldn't really worry about it
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everyone here is going to bullshit you and say it's because you need parental permission and there can be legal issues and stuff, but if you pay attention to gaming and the internet at all, it's fact that people just hate kids for whatever reason. many of them are annoying, yes, but they'll just blindly hate everyone.
if you've played a lot of shooters, you'll understand why kids get a bad rap. many of them are annoying. but people tend to stereotype and hate all kids, even if there was nothing annoying or obnoxious about them. there was a kid who i used to play Left 4 Dead with all the time. The team consisted of me, my best RL friend, a random player we'd pick up in the lobby, and this 11 year old kid we met through random teams. This kid was incredibly well-spoken, and was GODLY at the game. just by sound, he'd know where every single threat was, he'd call them out perfectly, and often take them out before we could even look at them. yet often we'd have to kick our random 4th teammate because they wouldn't stop bitching about the fact that this kid was, well, a kid.
well written as this post may be, you can't really sway anyone with a post. if you think you're a top player, prove that you're a top player. rank higher, take out notable names, and share a lot of replays. if you can really establish yourself as a name that isn't to be fucked with, you'll gain a lot of respect. you'll never win over everyone, but that can be said for absolutely anyone.
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Bcuz ur bragging about ur rank in the op.
I am 1600 master random and am 8 years old.
Problem?
Ps: 13 year olds have really annoying voices.
User was warned for this post
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On June 27 2011 02:06 universalwill wrote:
if you've played a lot of shooters, you'll understand why kids get a bad rap. many of them are annoying. but people tend to stereotype and hate all kids, even if there was nothing annoying or obnoxious about them. there was a kid who i used to play Left 4 Dead with all the time. The team consisted of me, my best RL friend, a random player we'd pick up in the lobby, and this 11 year old kid we met through random teams. This kid was incredibly well-spoken, and was GODLY at the game. just by sound, he'd know where every single threat was, he'd call them out perfectly, and often take them out before we could even look at them. yet often we'd have to kick our random 4th teammate because they wouldn't stop bitching about the fact that this kid was, well, a kid.
I used to direct youth community theatre with I was in my late teen, and there are always some cool kids there that were respectful, talented and fun to hang out with.
But they where a small handful compared the busload of screaming 13 year olds that wanted to just horse around and gossip about other 13 year olds.
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On June 27 2011 02:10 Depetrify wrote:
Bcuz ur bragging about ur rank in the op.
I am 1600 master random and am 8 years old.
Problem?
Ps: 13 year olds have really annoying voices.
What's next?
Is a 6 year old going to hop on start pimping his Kerrigan portrait?
This thread is like Russian dolls; you pull off one swaggering kid, and there's a smaller one is inside.
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Good luck Nagisa. I think the world in general discriminates against "children," and that will carry over into starcraft. You are clearly intelligent and capable, so I suggest pursuing every opportunity you get and working hard, and it will pay off as you get older.
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On June 27 2011 02:06 universalwill wrote:
everyone here is going to bullshit you and say it's because you need parental permission and there can be legal issues and stuff, but if you pay attention to gaming and the internet at all, it's fact that people just hate kids for whatever reason. many of them are annoying, yes, but they'll just blindly hate everyone.
if you've played a lot of shooters, you'll understand why kids get a bad rap. many of them are annoying. but people tend to stereotype and hate all kids, even if there was nothing annoying or obnoxious about them. there was a kid who i used to play Left 4 Dead with all the time. The team consisted of me, my best RL friend, a random player we'd pick up in the lobby, and this 11 year old kid we met through random teams. This kid was incredibly well-spoken, and was GODLY at the game. just by sound, he'd know where every single threat was, he'd call them out perfectly, and often take them out before we could even look at them. yet often we'd have to kick our random 4th teammate because they wouldn't stop bitching about the fact that this kid was, well, a kid.
well written as this post may be, you can't really sway anyone with a post. if you think you're a top player, prove that you're a top player. rank higher, take out notable names, and share a lot of replays. if you can really establish yourself as a name that isn't to be fucked with, you'll gain a lot of respect. you'll never win over everyone, but that can be said for absolutely anyone.
You are making a generalization that everyone blindly hates kids. Your teammate can be the best person, but if tournaments don't allow it or there are legal issues with it, it doesn't matter.
It is all about risk vs reward
If a tournament allows kids the OP's age then join them and place first, if you start the build up a reputation like Universal said, then they might allow you as an exception into tournaments, there have been in the past, but you have to become good enough that your parents will allow you to compete with no regret. They most likely want the OP to be successful in life, but if he is going to risk everything and fail, it is better to not do it at all if he is going to fail for the rest of his life or within the next few years.
There was a period where KT.Flash (was about your age) wanted to go into progaming, but his parents disapproved, so what he did was he made a deal with his parents that if he cannot make the team within 1 month or so, he will give up his dream and come back home.
At the tryouts for the team, there were hundreds of players of all the same age and about the same skill, do you know how many of them made it?
Progaming - getting there is extremely hard, and some of the money you make is based off of tournament winnings, thousands try, few make it.
School -> Job - more stable, you may or may not like it, but it should pay off in the long run.
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This is one of those "you'll understand when you're older" sort of things. You won't want to have a 13 year old on your gaming team when you are in your 20s either.
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On June 26 2011 13:34 hatt wrote:Has anyone mentioned or heard of Lil Poison? Sure he plays Halo, but he just goes to show you age doesn't have to limit you if your parents support you and you are determined enough. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lil_Poisonhttp://lilpoison.com/biography.htmlHe was literally playing in national tournaments at the age of 5 and was 4 when he started local tournaments. Edit: Oh and the game he plays is rated M, those are guidelines or he still wouldn't be able to play it for 4 years...
In His case he always attended with his Uncle Poison, a Halo Pro Gamer. He didn't have any issues getting into the scene because his uncle was already in it. The fact he grew up watching his Uncle and idolising him and then copied (hence lil poison) is probably why he was so readily accepted where most younger players on xbox live are considered a scourge.
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Because 90% of kids/young teenagers are idiotic and unreasonable. On the other hand, any competitive player who's that age probably wouldn't fit into that.
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Think of it as this way. The US government made it so you have to be 21 or older to drink.
They assume 20 year old 19, 18 etc arent responsible enough to have this privilege, or else consequences will occur like accidents and even death.
In your case. Annoying, immature behavior, which admins don't want to waste their time on.
So just wait another couple years, mean time try to get into grand masters if you even want to be in GSL.
On June 27 2011 02:10 Depetrify wrote:
I am 1600 master random and am 8 years old.
Problem?
Ps: 13 year olds have really annoying voices.
User was warned for this post
and 8 year olds have even more annoying voices
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