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Why do kids get the hate? - Page 15
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
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RedJustice
United States1004 Posts
Yeah, experience (which often correlates to age) gives you better insights into different life issues. But experience and maturity is not something that develops in all areas equally. The only maturity that really counts for OP is-- his ability to interact with others in a mature manner, his ability to treat his sc2 commitments with maturity (be it a team/tournament/stream), and his ability to take constructive criticism maturely (in order to improve). His ability to related to your divorce, or having a 3 year old, or rising interest rates on your house, or whatever other bullshit makes you older and wiser, has nothing to do with what he is asking. For tournaments/contractual-teams, the legal issues are legit good reasons not to include a minor. The annoying/immature stereotypes are answers for why he is not accepted on a team, but certainly not good reasons. You don't know the OP, don't make dumb statements about him as a person based off your stereotypes. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On June 26 2011 17:38 RedJustice wrote: Am I the only person in this thread who can look back and say-- I've grown a lot since then, but I was hella mature as a kid? Paying my insurances, gas, school, housing, food, clothing, phone; working and school full time to support myself on my own before I was even old enough to buy Sharpies in the 'wonderful' state of Texas. Yeah, experience (which often correlates to age) gives you better insights into different life issues. But experience and maturity is not something that develops in all areas equally. The only maturity that really counts for OP is-- his ability to interact with others in a mature manner, his ability to treat his sc2 commitments with maturity (be it a team/tournament/stream), and his ability to take constructive criticism maturely (in order to improve). His ability to related to your divorce, or having a 3 year old, or rising interest rates on your house, or whatever other bullshit makes you older and wiser, has nothing to do with what he is asking. For tournaments/contractual-teams, the legal issues are legit good reasons not to include a minor. The annoying/immature stereotypes are answers for why he is not accepted on a team, but certainly not good reasons. You don't know the OP, don't make dumb statements about him as a person based off your stereotypes. You're right, it all depends on the kid, but it's hard to find a 19 year old that isn't a cocky pain in the ass. | ||
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Slago
Canada726 Posts
On June 26 2011 17:44 Defacer wrote: You're right, it all depends on the kid, but it's hard to find a 19 year old that isn't a cocky pain in the ass. what about combatex...............  | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On June 26 2011 17:38 RedJustice wrote: Am I the only person in this thread who can look back and say-- I've grown a lot since then, but I was hella mature as a kid? Paying my insurances, gas, school, housing, food, clothing, phone; working and school full time to support myself on my own before I was even old enough to buy Sharpies in the 'wonderful' state of Texas. Yeah, experience (which often correlates to age) gives you better insights into different life issues. But experience and maturity is not something that develops in all areas equally. The only maturity that really counts for OP is-- his ability to interact with others in a mature manner, his ability to treat his sc2 commitments with maturity (be it a team/tournament/stream), and his ability to take constructive criticism maturely (in order to improve). His ability to related to your divorce, or having a 3 year old, or rising interest rates on your house, or whatever other bullshit makes you older and wiser, has nothing to do with what he is asking. For tournaments/contractual-teams, the legal issues are legit good reasons not to include a minor. The annoying/immature stereotypes are answers for why he is not accepted on a team, but certainly not good reasons. You don't know the OP, don't make dumb statements about him as a person based off your stereotypes. there is a difference between being mature at 16-18 and being mature when you have barely hit puberty at 13 years old (in the case of the OP) im sure you werent paying insurance gas school housing food clothing phone when you were 13 years old at that age you are still very much dependant on your parents, in most places you can not even have a job at this point. Im 23 now and i moved out of my parents house when i was 17 and have lived on my own and gotten a job as an IT consultant and payed my own rent and pretty much have had no financial aid from my parents since then (my mom still goes grocery shopping for me but i dont ask her to lol) Being mature at a young age when you are actually old enough to support yourself and move out on your own is a whole lot different then thinking you are mature at 13 because you have good grades. | ||
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sureshot_
United States257 Posts
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:52 Nagisa. wrote: The money doesn't even matter to me, my parents are rich, I was actually planning, if I ever did win GSL I would give all the money back to the community via tournaments or maybe donating to the red cross. This reminds of Mr Bill Gates. Why? Despite the rags to riches stories that the media would have you believe, Bill Gates was born into a very wealthy, affluent family. Besides him having an enormous, freakish level of intellect(had a computer back in the day where computers took up...how much space in the entire room, and was as common as a family helicopter) - rich parents with connections grant you a level of access to the world that the common person simply would not. I'm only about halfway through reading the entire thread, but you're raging for the wrong reasons. You seem to recognize that there are legal issues around why you can't compete - if you're really interested and have drive, OK - time to hit the books, kid. Read up everything you can on laws governing age restrictions. Become a mini-lawyer(because you as said yourself, you have access to unlimited time). Absolute key points: 1) You insist you're the exception to the rule, with regards to 13 year old behavior and conduct. Fair enough. But do you also understand why those of us twice/thrice your age, are hesitant? Can you think and understand from our perspective? Seriously - can you? 2) Laws. Can't change them(unless you can). Hence my points above on studying everything you can with regards to law. 3) Parents. The whole privileged rich mommy/daddy thing. Are you the next Bill Gates? But in this case, the future Bill Gates of Starcraft 2? Where you have access to the world with the snap of your parent's fingers? Let's think hypothetically and imagine for a moment that suddenly you're qualified to hit the next MLG. Your matches are set to take place during school hours. Ask yourself honestly - mom and dad would be perfectly cool with throwing you on a plane, jetting you to MLG(along with all your assigned homework, oh no no you're not exempt from schoolwork), trusting that you'd find your way around on your own, meeting every single time commitment, AND doing all your school homework/projects in-between tourney matches? You said GSL. In Korea(but of course). Can you speak Korean, for starters? Can your parents? Oh wait you said they're rich - OK, so they'll just hire a translator to follow you around and escort you to everywhere in Korea(essentially your entourage), correct? What about health concerns? You do know that, when you start eating food in a different country, your body needs time to adjust - won't go into detail, but you know what that entails, right? The hurdles facing you are immense. If I were you, I'd just enjoy my time at 13 years old and not even think about becoming tournament material. What happens, 1-2 years down the line, you simply get bored of this game? And you make new friends, who aren't video gamers, and you feel the pull to hang out with them, day and night? Life happens. | ||
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Jintetsu
Sweden152 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:02 Mike-965 wrote: Starcraft 2 is 16+, isn't it? So you are actually not allowed to play it. Maybe that's also part of the reason?? false, recommended age is 16+, i even think its 12+ i dunno, but that is not required age it says on the box, its recommended. | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On June 26 2011 18:02 D_K_night wrote: This reminds of Mr Bill Gates. Why? Despite the rags to riches stories that the media would have you believe, Bill Gates was born into a very wealthy, affluent family. Besides him having an enormous, freakish level of intellect(had a computer back in the day where computers took up...how much space in the entire room, and was as common as a family helicopter) - rich parents with connections grant you a level of access to the world that the common person simply would not. I'm only about halfway through reading the entire thread, but you're raging for the wrong reasons. You seem to recognize that there are legal issues around why you can't compete - if you're really interested and have drive, OK - time to hit the books, kid. Read up everything you can on laws governing age restrictions. Become a mini-lawyer(because you as said yourself, you have access to unlimited time). Absolute key points: 1) You insist you're the exception to the rule, with regards to 13 year old behavior and conduct. Fair enough. But do you also understand why those of us twice/thrice your age, are hesitant? Can you think and understand from our perspective? Seriously - can you? 2) Laws. Can't change them(unless you can). Hence my points above on studying everything you can with regards to law. 3) Parents. The whole privileged rich mommy/daddy thing. Are you the next Bill Gates? But in this case, the future Bill Gates of Starcraft 2? Where you have access to the world with the snap of your parent's fingers? Let's think hypothetically and imagine for a moment that suddenly you're qualified to hit the next MLG. Your matches are set to take place during school hours. Ask yourself honestly - mom and dad would be perfectly cool with throwing you on a plane, jetting you to MLG(along with all your assigned homework, oh no no you're not exempt from schoolwork), trusting that you'd find your way around on your own, meeting every single time commitment, AND doing all your school homework/projects in-between tourney matches? You said GSL. In Korea(but of course). Can you speak Korean, for starters? Can your parents? Oh wait you said they're rich - OK, so they'll just hire a translator to follow you around and escort you to everywhere in Korea(essentially your entourage), correct? What about health concerns? You do know that, when you start eating food in a different country, your body needs time to adjust - won't go into detail, but you know what that entails, right? The hurdles facing you are immense. If I were you, I'd just enjoy my time at 13 years old and not even think about becoming tournament material. What happens, 1-2 years down the line, you simply get bored of this game? And you make new friends, who aren't video gamers, and you feel the pull to hang out with them, day and night? Life happens. lol people that come out and just say "my parents are rich" at that age, i find more often then not they are lying. So many people at that age wanted you to beleive they come from a rich family, especially on the internet i wouldnt beleive it lol. Ive never actually heard someone from an actual wealthy family come out and say "my parents are rich" anyone else ever notice that? Alot of times they will say "my father or mother does this" and yoou can assume wealth but they dont usually just say it. Its usually people that are more insecure about it that will come out and say something like that. In highschool the wealthiest kids i knew i couldnt even tell at all , until i got invited over to their mansions..... lol It could easily be true, but what is a 13 year olds perception of rich anyways? I mean that is a very subjective term, a 13 year old could easily think because his parents each make 40-60k a year that they are rich. I mean he said he went to a public school, any extremely wealthy family's that i know they all sent their kids to private schools thats just the way it works usually not to say i didnt know rich kids in public school ( i went to both private and public) but the kids i knew in private school who were wealthy were much much wealthier (dads president of lions gate studio's/ Owner of a very large international travel agency) Im just saying just because some kid says his parents are wealthy on the internet does not mean its true, I knew alot of people who said their parents were rich IRL(and they werent) and its sure a hell of alot easier to do online | ||
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MetalLobster
Canada532 Posts
On June 26 2011 14:32 Ryder. wrote: I don't think this post can be stressed enough. Especially for all the kiddies still saying 'But I'm mature for my age and not like everyone else, it's not fair'. This is why OP! It's mainly a liability issue, which for the most part you cannot change. If you want to enter a tournament like MLG, bring your parents/guardian. | ||
Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On June 26 2011 17:38 RedJustice wrote: The annoying/immature stereotypes are answers for why he is not accepted on a team, but certainly not good reasons. You don't know the OP, don't make dumb statements about him as a person based off your stereotypes. Try running a team and welcoming the 13-year-old players sometime. While you're right that there is tremendous variation in maturity at that age, there are also patterns of flaky behavior that are so common across many different kids that eventually the people I know who have tried to accommodate it, in their WoW guilds or whatever, just get sick of feeling like they're running video game day care. Do some truly exceptional 13-year-olds miss out on an opportunity to participate fully because of this? Probably. The good news is that in a few years most 13-year-olds will have all those options open to them. All that said, I can't see any reason the OP can't find a team appropriate to his skill level if he looks for it, because at his ranking there shouldn't be any question about whether a team would want to send him to offline tournaments or sign a contract. | ||
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primebeef
United States140 Posts
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NintendoStar
United States217 Posts
On June 26 2011 18:02 D_K_night wrote: Let's think hypothetically and imagine for a moment that suddenly you're qualified to hit the next MLG. Your matches are set to take place during school hours. Ask yourself honestly - mom and dad would be perfectly cool with throwing you on a plane, jetting you to MLG(along with all your assigned homework, oh no no you're not exempt from schoolwork), trusting that you'd find your way around on your own, meeting every single time commitment, AND doing all your school homework/projects in-between tourney matches? Ever heard of college? That's kind of the same thing, except for people over 18. | ||
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Saiton
Sweden467 Posts
On June 27 2011 00:05 NintendoStar wrote: Ever heard of college? That's kind of the same thing, except for people over 18. Yes, but when you're 18 you have a responsibility towards yourself. You are also considered an adult and free to do whatever you want. Plus/minus for parent restrictions and death-threats that you're still living under their roof. | ||
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Sahand
United Kingdom114 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:06 Nagisa. wrote: Again.. Not EVERY single child has to "ask their parent's permission" for everything. It's just another generalization, infact the majority of my friends 95% don't have to do that at all. I think a Job is more demanding than parents + public school. If anything 13 is where everyone should be hitting their prime, you have almost unlimited time. I'm afraid it's comments like this that prove your naivety. I don't mean to be a dick, but until you start to understand why what you've said is unbelievably ignorant, you won't be considered 'mature'. | ||
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ahx
Canada132 Posts
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AGsc
Canada120 Posts
On June 27 2011 00:16 Sahand wrote: I'm afraid it's comments like this that prove your naivety. I don't mean to be a dick, but until you start to understand why what you've said is unbelievably ignorant, you won't be considered 'mature'. I don't understand why this is ignorant. OP is correct that a job or higher education is more demanding than public school. The 18-25 demographic has a higher proportion of successful competitive SC2 players because they have, in many cases, decided not to have traditional jobs and instead devote that time to practice. School at 13 is not a consuming thing like college or a full-time job can be. Add average parents into the mix and they're just grateful that their child has chosen to do something that is mentally stimulating, social, and competitive with the extra time. See Day9 Daily #100! Especially given that SC is a 1v1 game, as long as the 13 year old can explain how they beat you later there is nothing inherently worse about a player in that age group. | ||
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RobCorso
United States111 Posts
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clayn
Germany444 Posts
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RobCorso
United States111 Posts
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good luck and don't let it get to you
