EPTPlaying in the GSL Code A right now and 14 years old.
Why do kids get the hate? - Page 19
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bahl sofs tiil
United States233 Posts
Playing in the GSL Code A right now and 14 years old. | ||
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gosuRob
United States319 Posts
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TickTockBoom
Canada185 Posts
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algorithm0r
Canada486 Posts
The fact is young people are systematically marginalized in western culture by our laws and by sociological judgement in a way that if applied to any other group of people would be pure prejudice. Is it not clear that there is at least some person younger than 18 that might be smart enough to vote? It is not clear that there is at least one person younger than 16 (or whatever age) that is capable of driving safely? Is it not clear that the age that one can maturely decide when and how much to drink is different for each person? But the laws and lawmakers are lazy. Instead of judging a person on their personality we apply the worst criteria... we pick an arbitrary line and use that to judge people. Our justification? It is too hard to judge a person on their qualities... so we MUST pre-judge them. To the OP: Unfortunately you are in a group that is marginalized. If you are lucky when you reach 16 or 18 you will pass out of that group and people will start taking you more seriously. The fact that tourneys and teams are less likely to deal with you now is because the marginalization that is written into our laws makes it hard for them to deal with you and makes it easy for them to ignore you. Alas a major lesson one must learn to gain maturity is that you will constantly be misjudged based on silly factors and at best we can count ourselves lucky that the list of factors you will be judged on is at least shrinking (or so it appears) so we are no longer subjected to racial, religious, sexual discrimination to the same degree as in the past. Best of luck man. Practice hard and force people to recognize you. That is how every person, young or old, gains respect. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Regarding teams or certain tourneys who have age limit requirements, however, the truth of the matter is, allowing minors (<18) does indeed present a series of risks to the managers. Although this may not be your case, many minors will still have protective and/or over-protective parents. This causes too many potential problems for the team/tourney management as parents can sometimes be very tricky and potentially damaging for the management to deal with. Furthermore, if and when teams travel, if the majority of the team is of age, they may participate in activities (aka drinking and partying lol) that minors cannot join in. Chaperoning a minor is an additional annoyance and issue that they probably would rather not deal with. That being said, don't be discouraged. Play hard and improve. If you do well, people will recognize and give you respect. GSL Code A currently has some minors playing. If your skill is there, age becomes secondary. You just have to give people to overlook your age first. | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
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WarSong
Canada126 Posts
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bahl sofs tiil
United States233 Posts
On June 27 2011 15:11 algorithm0r wrote: One thing this thread has proven is that indeed many adults are very prejudiced against younger folk. Many of the posts say things like "13 year olds cannot understand what it means to be mature" and pick on lines or posts by the OP and say "look how immature this seems". The fact is young people are systematically marginalized in western culture by our laws and by sociological judgement in a way that if applied to any other group of people would be pure prejudice. Is it not clear that there is at least some person younger than 18 that might be smart enough to vote? It is not clear that there is at least one person younger than 16 (or whatever age) that is capable of driving safely? Is it not clear that the age that one can maturely decide when and how much to drink is different for each person? But the laws and lawmakers are lazy. Instead of judging a person on their personality we apply the worst criteria... we pick an arbitrary line and use that to judge people. Our justification? It is too hard to judge a person on their qualities... so we MUST pre-judge them. To the OP: Unfortunately you are in a group that is marginalized. If you are lucky when you reach 16 or 18 you will pass out of that group and people will start taking you more seriously. The fact that tourneys and teams are less likely to deal with you now is because the marginalization that is written into our laws makes it hard for them to deal with you and makes it easy for them to ignore you. Alas a major lesson one must learn to gain maturity is that you will constantly be misjudged based on silly factors and at best we can count ourselves lucky that the list of factors you will be judged on is at least shrinking (or so it appears) so we are no longer subjected to racial, religious, sexual discrimination to the same degree as in the past. Best of luck man. Practice hard and force people to recognize you. That is how every person, young or old, gains respect. Come on, man. Prejudice generally implies that the treatment is preconceived without a factual basis. The restrictions put on kids all have perfectly reasonable explanations behind them. Honestly, most people over eighteen aren't even smart enough to vote, which why they don't even do it. Are there exceptions? Sure, but this is one generalization that is almost always true and perfectly justified. Kids are dumb. Even dumber than adults, and that is saying something. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On June 27 2011 15:11 algorithm0r wrote: One thing this thread has proven is that indeed many adults are very prejudiced against younger folk. Many of the posts say things like "13 year olds cannot understand what it means to be mature" and pick on lines or posts by the OP and say "look how immature this seems". The fact is young people are systematically marginalized in western culture by our laws and by sociological judgement in a way that if applied to any other group of people would be pure prejudice. Is it not clear that there is at least some person younger than 18 that might be smart enough to vote? It is not clear that there is at least one person younger than 16 (or whatever age) that is capable of driving safely? Is it not clear that the age that one can maturely decide when and how much to drink is different for each person? But the laws and lawmakers are lazy. Instead of judging a person on their personality we apply the worst criteria... we pick an arbitrary line and use that to judge people. Our justification? It is too hard to judge a person on their qualities... so we MUST pre-judge them. To the OP: Unfortunately you are in a group that is marginalized. If you are lucky when you reach 16 or 18 you will pass out of that group and people will start taking you more seriously. The fact that tourneys and teams are less likely to deal with you now is because the marginalization that is written into our laws makes it hard for them to deal with you and makes it easy for them to ignore you. Alas a major lesson one must learn to gain maturity is that you will constantly be misjudged based on silly factors and at best we can count ourselves lucky that the list of factors you will be judged on is at least shrinking (or so it appears) so we are no longer subjected to racial, religious, sexual discrimination to the same degree as in the past. Best of luck man. Practice hard and force people to recognize you. That is how every person, young or old, gains respect. It's easy to say that the lawmakers are lazy with age restrictions, but how would YOU solve it? What's a good alternative way to measure maturity that doesn't discriminate anyone and doesn't cost a fortune? Children are being marginalized because they don't have the rights of adults? Isn't most of those laws in place to protect minors from making mistakes or losing money? Like the fact that they can't sign contracts or need adults permission. | ||
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pi_rate_pir_ate
United States179 Posts
I agree to some extent about laziness among those making decisions, but one question that must be answered before we judge people as lazy is this: At what point has a person done enough that they are no longer lazy? The responsibilities and stresses of life increase. Part of being an adult is understanding what things are necessary and what things are not. Everyone has to set a limit on their activities and responsibilities. The general limits in society are usually beneficial for society, and rarely ultimately destructive to those who have not yet gained access to the benefits they have been kept from. Before you become convinced of something being an injustice carefully consider the issues. The questions in the OP are good ones, but a decision about being wronged is pre-eminent to the discussion. | ||
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NgrySqrrl
Canada36 Posts
the facts were stated early on why teams are hesitant to take on someone so young and why players are reluctant to play with someone so young. v1dom (manager for 4Kings), Pokebunny, and KawaiiRice offered their experiences and expertise on this (v1dom actually shedding a ton of light on the matter) and players from all age groups and skill levels also chimed in. still, the OP glazed over or ignored most of the actual reasons to pointing out why he is the exception (his education above average, his parents are rich, he's mature, ect.). next time, maybe provide a little more transparency about your intentions so people aren't wasting their time trying to convince you of something you either already know or are refusing to acknowledge. sorry if i'm coming off like a dick, i just hate when teenagers think they're just so much more clever than everyone else. | ||
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Ladde
Sweden70 Posts
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On June 27 2011 15:11 algorithm0r wrote: One thing this thread has proven is that indeed many adults are very prejudiced against younger folk. Many of the posts say things like "13 year olds cannot understand what it means to be mature" and pick on lines or posts by the OP and say "look how immature this seems". The fact is young people are systematically marginalized in western culture by our laws and by sociological judgement in a way that if applied to any other group of people would be pure prejudice. Is it not clear that there is at least some person younger than 18 that might be smart enough to vote? It is not clear that there is at least one person younger than 16 (or whatever age) that is capable of driving safely? Is it not clear that the age that one can maturely decide when and how much to drink is different for each person? But the laws and lawmakers are lazy. Instead of judging a person on their personality we apply the worst criteria... we pick an arbitrary line and use that to judge people. Our justification? It is too hard to judge a person on their qualities... so we MUST pre-judge them. To the OP: Unfortunately you are in a group that is marginalized. If you are lucky when you reach 16 or 18 you will pass out of that group and people will start taking you more seriously. The fact that tourneys and teams are less likely to deal with you now is because the marginalization that is written into our laws makes it hard for them to deal with you and makes it easy for them to ignore you. Alas a major lesson one must learn to gain maturity is that you will constantly be misjudged based on silly factors and at best we can count ourselves lucky that the list of factors you will be judged on is at least shrinking (or so it appears) so we are no longer subjected to racial, religious, sexual discrimination to the same degree as in the past. Best of luck man. Practice hard and force people to recognize you. That is how every person, young or old, gains respect. You speak as though children are oppressed, they aren't. You claim that driving age, voting age, and drinking age should be based on a person by person basis. How would you judge it? How many resources would you devote to determining when a person could do what? How would you enforce it? It would take many more resources to manage a system on a case-by-case basis. Do you really think we should spend these resources on increasing the kids' rights as opposed to improving the dreadful economy? It seems that a strict age limit system is the most tenable way to proceed for a government. | ||
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