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bahl sofs tiil
Profile Joined December 2010
United States233 Posts
June 27 2011 05:18 GMT
#361
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/2838_Creator

Playing in the GSL Code A right now and 14 years old.
And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick: rational thinking; but, when you're good and crazy, ooohoohoohoohoooo, the sky is the limit!
gosuRob
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States319 Posts
June 27 2011 05:21 GMT
#362
If you were a 1400 masters zerg, that'd be a whole notha story
Rules? There aren't many rules. You fight mean, you win mean. It takes a certain someone
TickTockBoom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada185 Posts
June 27 2011 05:24 GMT
#363
I'm from a few games like Crossfire, Soldier Front, where I would say I played professionally (As in got to the round of 4 of some national leagues), and the real problems that occur with kids I find is that most of the time they don't show up to practices or they randomly leave during tournament games, due to their parents calling them or w/e. The time is just too restricted when you depend on your parents.
IGN: Cupine Char: 945, Sometimes we have to let BW go, and proceed on.
algorithm0r
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada486 Posts
June 27 2011 06:11 GMT
#364
One thing this thread has proven is that indeed many adults are very prejudiced against younger folk. Many of the posts say things like "13 year olds cannot understand what it means to be mature" and pick on lines or posts by the OP and say "look how immature this seems".

The fact is young people are systematically marginalized in western culture by our laws and by sociological judgement in a way that if applied to any other group of people would be pure prejudice. Is it not clear that there is at least some person younger than 18 that might be smart enough to vote? It is not clear that there is at least one person younger than 16 (or whatever age) that is capable of driving safely? Is it not clear that the age that one can maturely decide when and how much to drink is different for each person? But the laws and lawmakers are lazy. Instead of judging a person on their personality we apply the worst criteria... we pick an arbitrary line and use that to judge people. Our justification? It is too hard to judge a person on their qualities... so we MUST pre-judge them.

To the OP: Unfortunately you are in a group that is marginalized. If you are lucky when you reach 16 or 18 you will pass out of that group and people will start taking you more seriously. The fact that tourneys and teams are less likely to deal with you now is because the marginalization that is written into our laws makes it hard for them to deal with you and makes it easy for them to ignore you. Alas a major lesson one must learn to gain maturity is that you will constantly be misjudged based on silly factors and at best we can count ourselves lucky that the list of factors you will be judged on is at least shrinking (or so it appears) so we are no longer subjected to racial, religious, sexual discrimination to the same degree as in the past.

Best of luck man. Practice hard and force people to recognize you. That is how every person, young or old, gains respect.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
June 27 2011 06:19 GMT
#365
Nagisa, you sound like a very responsible and mature person for your age. There is no appropriate reason why anyone should be hounding you in tournaments and such so long as you don't provoke them.

Regarding teams or certain tourneys who have age limit requirements, however, the truth of the matter is, allowing minors (<18) does indeed present a series of risks to the managers. Although this may not be your case, many minors will still have protective and/or over-protective parents. This causes too many potential problems for the team/tourney management as parents can sometimes be very tricky and potentially damaging for the management to deal with. Furthermore, if and when teams travel, if the majority of the team is of age, they may participate in activities (aka drinking and partying lol) that minors cannot join in. Chaperoning a minor is an additional annoyance and issue that they probably would rather not deal with.

That being said, don't be discouraged. Play hard and improve. If you do well, people will recognize and give you respect. GSL Code A currently has some minors playing. If your skill is there, age becomes secondary. You just have to give people to overlook your age first.
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
June 27 2011 06:32 GMT
#366
well it's really difficult. I'm not saying that a person < 16 shouln't play sc2, hell most of us probably played for hours at the age of 13. But joining a team and going professional is a big commitment. In my opinion everybody should focus on finishing the school and then if there's still interest in it try go to tournaments etc. I also dislike the GSL age restriction of 13 (or 12, something like that), because now there are kids in the GSL _maybe_ beeing the next flash or also possible end school, be a pro for a few years and end with no education and no job at the age of 18. It's a high risc in my eyes and I wouln't recommend anyone doing it
WarSong
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada126 Posts
June 27 2011 06:44 GMT
#367
i feel like taking the time to honestly and straightforwardly ask questions like the ones raised in your OP are wasted on The Internet. online forums are just an exercise in frustration and futility but, for what it's worth, i hope your petition bears positive results.
Til water is gone, til shade is gone: into the Blight with teeth bared, to spit in Sightblinder's eye on the Last Day.
bahl sofs tiil
Profile Joined December 2010
United States233 Posts
June 27 2011 06:47 GMT
#368
On June 27 2011 15:11 algorithm0r wrote:
One thing this thread has proven is that indeed many adults are very prejudiced against younger folk. Many of the posts say things like "13 year olds cannot understand what it means to be mature" and pick on lines or posts by the OP and say "look how immature this seems".

The fact is young people are systematically marginalized in western culture by our laws and by sociological judgement in a way that if applied to any other group of people would be pure prejudice. Is it not clear that there is at least some person younger than 18 that might be smart enough to vote? It is not clear that there is at least one person younger than 16 (or whatever age) that is capable of driving safely? Is it not clear that the age that one can maturely decide when and how much to drink is different for each person? But the laws and lawmakers are lazy. Instead of judging a person on their personality we apply the worst criteria... we pick an arbitrary line and use that to judge people. Our justification? It is too hard to judge a person on their qualities... so we MUST pre-judge them.

To the OP: Unfortunately you are in a group that is marginalized. If you are lucky when you reach 16 or 18 you will pass out of that group and people will start taking you more seriously. The fact that tourneys and teams are less likely to deal with you now is because the marginalization that is written into our laws makes it hard for them to deal with you and makes it easy for them to ignore you. Alas a major lesson one must learn to gain maturity is that you will constantly be misjudged based on silly factors and at best we can count ourselves lucky that the list of factors you will be judged on is at least shrinking (or so it appears) so we are no longer subjected to racial, religious, sexual discrimination to the same degree as in the past.

Best of luck man. Practice hard and force people to recognize you. That is how every person, young or old, gains respect.


Come on, man. Prejudice generally implies that the treatment is preconceived without a factual basis. The restrictions put on kids all have perfectly reasonable explanations behind them. Honestly, most people over eighteen aren't even smart enough to vote, which why they don't even do it. Are there exceptions? Sure, but this is one generalization that is almost always true and perfectly justified. Kids are dumb. Even dumber than adults, and that is saying something.
And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick: rational thinking; but, when you're good and crazy, ooohoohoohoohoooo, the sky is the limit!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 27 2011 06:53 GMT
#369
Most of us know how we acted when we were 13y old. It is probably easier to work with a +20y old teammate.
I had a good night of sleep.
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
June 27 2011 06:57 GMT
#370
On June 27 2011 15:11 algorithm0r wrote:
One thing this thread has proven is that indeed many adults are very prejudiced against younger folk. Many of the posts say things like "13 year olds cannot understand what it means to be mature" and pick on lines or posts by the OP and say "look how immature this seems".

The fact is young people are systematically marginalized in western culture by our laws and by sociological judgement in a way that if applied to any other group of people would be pure prejudice. Is it not clear that there is at least some person younger than 18 that might be smart enough to vote? It is not clear that there is at least one person younger than 16 (or whatever age) that is capable of driving safely? Is it not clear that the age that one can maturely decide when and how much to drink is different for each person? But the laws and lawmakers are lazy. Instead of judging a person on their personality we apply the worst criteria... we pick an arbitrary line and use that to judge people. Our justification? It is too hard to judge a person on their qualities... so we MUST pre-judge them.

To the OP: Unfortunately you are in a group that is marginalized. If you are lucky when you reach 16 or 18 you will pass out of that group and people will start taking you more seriously. The fact that tourneys and teams are less likely to deal with you now is because the marginalization that is written into our laws makes it hard for them to deal with you and makes it easy for them to ignore you. Alas a major lesson one must learn to gain maturity is that you will constantly be misjudged based on silly factors and at best we can count ourselves lucky that the list of factors you will be judged on is at least shrinking (or so it appears) so we are no longer subjected to racial, religious, sexual discrimination to the same degree as in the past.

Best of luck man. Practice hard and force people to recognize you. That is how every person, young or old, gains respect.


It's easy to say that the lawmakers are lazy with age restrictions, but how would YOU solve it?

What's a good alternative way to measure maturity that doesn't discriminate anyone and doesn't cost a fortune?

Children are being marginalized because they don't have the rights of adults? Isn't most of those laws in place to protect minors from making mistakes or losing money? Like the fact that they can't sign contracts or need adults permission.
pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
June 27 2011 07:10 GMT
#371
I'm 27 and I'm "marginalized" by those older than me. I try to not to the same to those younger than me. Every year I realize how true the things were that people said, about my lack of experience and maturity, but I haven't forgotten that I have also been able to verify that many of my opinions and abilities were sufficient to participate or engage in "older" activities.

I agree to some extent about laziness among those making decisions, but one question that must be answered before we judge people as lazy is this: At what point has a person done enough that they are no longer lazy? The responsibilities and stresses of life increase. Part of being an adult is understanding what things are necessary and what things are not. Everyone has to set a limit on their activities and responsibilities. The general limits in society are usually beneficial for society, and rarely ultimately destructive to those who have not yet gained access to the benefits they have been kept from. Before you become convinced of something being an injustice carefully consider the issues. The questions in the OP are good ones, but a decision about being wronged is pre-eminent to the discussion.
NgrySqrrl
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada36 Posts
June 27 2011 07:33 GMT
#372
so from a public relations point of view, this is called going from a "why?" argument to a "why me?" argument. it's an eloquent, non-partisan call for facts which shifts to promotion of something else (ie. OP).

the facts were stated early on why teams are hesitant to take on someone so young and why players are reluctant to play with someone so young. v1dom (manager for 4Kings), Pokebunny, and KawaiiRice offered their experiences and expertise on this (v1dom actually shedding a ton of light on the matter) and players from all age groups and skill levels also chimed in. still, the OP glazed over or ignored most of the actual reasons to pointing out why he is the exception (his education above average, his parents are rich, he's mature, ect.). next time, maybe provide a little more transparency about your intentions so people aren't wasting their time trying to convince you of something you either already know or are refusing to acknowledge.

sorry if i'm coming off like a dick, i just hate when teenagers think they're just so much more clever than everyone else.
i wish i was korean good and not korean-canadian good.
Ladde
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden70 Posts
June 27 2011 07:36 GMT
#373
Didn't Sir Scoots, on Live on Three, say that there was a 11-year old at MLG?
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 11:43:50
June 28 2011 11:41 GMT
#374
On June 27 2011 15:11 algorithm0r wrote:
One thing this thread has proven is that indeed many adults are very prejudiced against younger folk. Many of the posts say things like "13 year olds cannot understand what it means to be mature" and pick on lines or posts by the OP and say "look how immature this seems".

The fact is young people are systematically marginalized in western culture by our laws and by sociological judgement in a way that if applied to any other group of people would be pure prejudice. Is it not clear that there is at least some person younger than 18 that might be smart enough to vote? It is not clear that there is at least one person younger than 16 (or whatever age) that is capable of driving safely? Is it not clear that the age that one can maturely decide when and how much to drink is different for each person? But the laws and lawmakers are lazy. Instead of judging a person on their personality we apply the worst criteria... we pick an arbitrary line and use that to judge people. Our justification? It is too hard to judge a person on their qualities... so we MUST pre-judge them.

To the OP: Unfortunately you are in a group that is marginalized. If you are lucky when you reach 16 or 18 you will pass out of that group and people will start taking you more seriously. The fact that tourneys and teams are less likely to deal with you now is because the marginalization that is written into our laws makes it hard for them to deal with you and makes it easy for them to ignore you. Alas a major lesson one must learn to gain maturity is that you will constantly be misjudged based on silly factors and at best we can count ourselves lucky that the list of factors you will be judged on is at least shrinking (or so it appears) so we are no longer subjected to racial, religious, sexual discrimination to the same degree as in the past.

Best of luck man. Practice hard and force people to recognize you. That is how every person, young or old, gains respect.


You speak as though children are oppressed, they aren't. You claim that driving age, voting age, and drinking age should be based on a person by person basis. How would you judge it? How many resources would you devote to determining when a person could do what? How would you enforce it? It would take many more resources to manage a system on a case-by-case basis. Do you really think we should spend these resources on increasing the kids' rights as opposed to improving the dreadful economy? It seems that a strict age limit system is the most tenable way to proceed for a government.
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