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On June 26 2011 06:23 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 05:43 Nagisa. wrote:
Like I stated one of the main problems is the team, I can't practice macro games I get all'ined 95% of my ladder games, It'd be really great to play with a group of people who are on consistently. It's not exactly the same, but I ran a WoW guild for a couple of years. We had players who were 13 or 14 years old and generally the biggest problem we had with them was that they'd be in the middle of something and announce that their parents had demanded they leave the computer. Even if they personally wished to be reliable members of our group, it was impossible to account for what their family would demand of them. In addition, while they were often very good players and quite reasonable in the moment, over the long run the people I encountered who were 13 or 14 had serious maturity issues that got in the way of doing what we were trying to do. They complained about negative feedback when things weren't going well, they didn't exercise self control with joking around when it was time to be serious, that kind of thing. The one, single exception was a girl who was 14 when she was with us. Her dad was a leader in the guild. Her behavior was completely exemplary, but I have to imagine that it made a difference to have a parent who was participating alongside her.
LOL i used to run Icecrown raids and i remember this one kids mom came on vent and was like "Jason has to leave now he has to brush his teeth and go to bed , sorry" that was probably the funniest one but there are many occasions where something like this happened with young kids, and we had to start having ventrilo be manditory and only accept people who sounded old.
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On June 26 2011 15:46 cheesemaster wrote:
Every 13 year old says "i know people older than me (in this case 20) who are much more immature then me" lol so what? 1 like what does that even mean. Your 13 years old hate to break it to you but you ARE immature still youve barely hit puberty. 2 Just because you know some stupid immature 20 year olds doesnt say anything about your maturity level, and the fact that they probably try and stoop down to your level when they are hanging around you just to be "fun" im sure they arent like that when hanging out with their own friends. 3
Its part of growing up man, you are able to do more things and have more opportunities as you get older.
Just the fact that you say your aspiring for a GSL win when you havent even entered in any tournaments (because you cant) shows alot about your maturity level. Sure its nice to have dreams but you havent even entered an online tournament yet its pretty unrealisitc at this point... 4
1 It proves the point that while mature kids (and yes, there are mature kids, you may not have met one but that doesn't change anything) can't have the responsibility of an older person even though there are PLENTY of 21 year olds who understand nothing about politics and sociology and yet they can vote, drive, and drink.
2 How does hitting puberty change anything? Obviously having a big dick matters when you're talking politics. Right. Yeah. By the way that is a GIGANTIC generalization when you say that anyone who is pubescent is immature.
3 There are plenty of assholes and immature pricks who act like that even when they are around adults and people of their own age.
4 I am not aspiring for a GSL win. I know I suck relative to most people. I don't want to enter tournaments until I'm good. What does that say about my maturity?
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It's just experience. People have had bad experiences with younger people. I can't tell you how many 14-year olds I've met who tug around you wanting to be your best friend: do everything you are thinking or want, try to be the nicest guy around and it's just over-bearing.
For me, sometimes, the younger people need to be independent, not play what others play, but want to play because they like the game and others do too (thus they play together).
Off-topic, but that's my anecdote, I suffer the same issue sometimes, even at the age of 21 (soon 22).
Nonetheless, don't let it keep you down. Even if you have trouble finding teams or groups, you'll have the experience or the interest at a young age, something worth noting when you hit an acceptable age to the majority.
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1) Cool there are irresponsible 21 year olds. So now you can drink and drive and vote. So irresponsible adults mean age requirements need to be thrown away...?
2) It is very rare to find a kid who is mature and is prepubescent. I'm sure there is the rare one but every single one I have played with/against are annoying squeaky voiced pricks. This is on console games, RTS games and RPG games so yeah it's guilt by association. Sorry but I've been burned too many times trying to give kids breaks.
3) See 1
4) Nothing that is just common sense. Really your not as good as a person who practices what they do all day long while you are at school? That is extreme intelligence and maturity.
I was the exact same as you don't get me wrong. 5 years ago I couldn't find a competitive guild mostly because a) voice was high :D b) couldn't commit as much as I needed due to parents.
People would have 18+ as a requirement to join a guild in the game Guild Wars. I would always pm and say I'm 13 but really mature. No one would take me and I was pissed even though I had a good number of pvp titles and wins. Skip forward to 2 years ago 16 years old and recruiting for my guild and someone guy pms me the infamous "I'm 13 but I'm really mature" and I remember my struggle to find a decent guild so I let him in. Long story short we play a high end pvp game with him and he throws a temper tantrum mid game and leaves us. So we pretty much got embarrassed on the in game TV system. I never gave 13 year olds any more chances no one underneath 16 was allowed in and if we heard a squeaky voice in vent we would not let that person play PvP no matter how old they said they were all because some little shit ruined our innocence in that regard.
It's like leaving a wild bear in your kids room. Sure you have a friend who has a cool bear and MAYBE you will find a cool bear too but the last 10 times you tried it the bear ate your kid.
If you really want a clan look for a casual clan and don't tell them your age. If you don't go to tournaments it won't matter and if you play well they will more than likely be happy to practice with you and don't go on vent if they haven't seen you play so they can know you as a decent playing kid rather than just a squeaky noise.
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On June 26 2011 16:09 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 15:46 cheesemaster wrote:
Every 13 year old says "i know people older than me (in this case 20) who are much more immature then me" lol so what? 1 like what does that even mean. Your 13 years old hate to break it to you but you ARE immature still youve barely hit puberty. 2 Just because you know some stupid immature 20 year olds doesnt say anything about your maturity level, and the fact that they probably try and stoop down to your level when they are hanging around you just to be "fun" im sure they arent like that when hanging out with their own friends. 3
Its part of growing up man, you are able to do more things and have more opportunities as you get older.
Just the fact that you say your aspiring for a GSL win when you havent even entered in any tournaments (because you cant) shows alot about your maturity level. Sure its nice to have dreams but you havent even entered an online tournament yet its pretty unrealisitc at this point... 4 1 It proves the point that while mature kids (and yes, there are mature kids, you may not have met one but that doesn't change anything) can't have the responsibility of an older person even though there are PLENTY of 21 year olds who understand nothing about politics and sociology and yet they can vote, drive, and drink. 2 How does hitting puberty change anything? Obviously having a big dick matters when you're talking politics. Right. Yeah. By the way that is a GIGANTIC generalization when you say that anyone who is pubescent is immature. 3 There are plenty of assholes and immature pricks who act like that even when they are around adults and people of their own age. 4 I am not aspiring for a GSL win. I know I suck relative to most people. I don't want to enter tournaments until I'm good. What does that say about my maturity?
Im not saying their arent mature kids, when i was 12-14 all my friends parents used to praise my parents on how well mannered and mature i was for my age. Im sure its a similair case for you. It made me think exactly along the line of thought you are trying to portray that i was mature beyond my years and that because I have some older friends / people praise me for my maturity i should be treated equally and have the same freedoms as a 16 or 18 year old.
Im 23 now and looking back on that i realise how foolish i was though, i was most certainly not mature (maturity is much much more than being well mannered or speaking properly or being intellectual) its a state of mind that you just dont have at that age. Sure there are 13 year olds who are mature for their age, but that doesnt make them actually mature like an adult they dont have the life experiences to be mature yet. Maturity is just something that comes with age its not something you can force it happens slowly but surely over time it happens faster for some then others but there is a difference between being mature for your age and being mature.
Im sure you are mature for your age, I dont think anyone is arguing that but your still only 13 and you have alot to learn about life. its not something you can learn by being intellectual or reading books. As you become a teenager you start to have alot more options and freedoms and you will make mistakes and learn from them(hopefully) to me that is part of maturity its what ive learnt from living my life and making mistakes and from the outcomes of the good or bad decisions you make.When you are 13 there isnt really many important decisions you have made for yourself up to this point a majority of what you do is dictated by your parents assuming you have a normal family life and arent a 13 year old fending for yourself with no parents. Its hard to explain but i guarantee when you look back on yourself at 13 5-8 years from now you will not consider yourself mature regardless of how subjective the term may be.
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On June 26 2011 04:52 Nagisa. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 04:51 Sega92 wrote:On June 26 2011 04:47 Pokebunny wrote:
Legal issues. It sucks. ^ Listen to Pokebunny he knows first hand being a young pro lets put it this way, you win GSL at 14 years old, who does the money go to? mom and dad not you...the same things that say kids can't gamble can apply here to winning vast sums of money (i suppose), use the next few years to improve vastly and who knows maybe a gsl win is in your future  good luck and don't let it get to you The money doesn't even matter to me, my parents are rich, I was actually planning, if I ever did win GSL I would give all the money back to the community via tournaments or maybe donating to the red cross.
Hi.
I suggest that you set a notification and remind yourself to go back and look at this thread and what you wrote 3 years from now, or even maybe 3 months from now. Looking back on ones previous rants online always makes me cringe. I am almost 30 years old, I grew up being a little shitkid, but I knew how to portray myself as a mature young adult even though I was anything but a mature person. The fact of the matter is you are a kid and shouldn't expect that a grown up person should treat you otherwise just because you are online. Actually, why do you expect grown ups to treat you specially?
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On June 26 2011 16:42 NicoLoco wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 04:52 Nagisa. wrote:On June 26 2011 04:51 Sega92 wrote:On June 26 2011 04:47 Pokebunny wrote:
Legal issues. It sucks. ^ Listen to Pokebunny he knows first hand being a young pro lets put it this way, you win GSL at 14 years old, who does the money go to? mom and dad not you...the same things that say kids can't gamble can apply here to winning vast sums of money (i suppose), use the next few years to improve vastly and who knows maybe a gsl win is in your future good luck and don't let it get to you The money doesn't even matter to me, my parents are rich, I was actually planning, if I ever did win GSL I would give all the money back to the community via tournaments or maybe donating to the red cross. Hi. I suggest that you set a notification and remind yourself to go back and look at this thread and what you wrote 3 years from now, or even maybe 3 months from now. Looking back on ones previous rants online always makes me cringe. I am almost 30 years old, I grew up being a little shitkid, but I knew how to portray myself as a mature young adult even though I was anything but a mature person. The fact of the matter is you are a kid and shouldn't expect that a grown up person should treat you otherwise just because you are online. Actually, why do you expect grown ups to treat you specially?
Because hes "mature" and that means he should be treated differently fromm other 13 year olds.
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I played Halo from age 11-14 (I'm 14 now but I've quit) and I found a team with 3 16-18 year olds after about 2-3 years. There will be a team that will accept you eventually :/
EDIT: Sorry for putting a face at the end of my sentence; I guess that means I'm not as mature as you.
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On June 26 2011 11:02 Oreo7 wrote:
The condescension in this thread is painful. I respect some of the arguments presented, notably the legal issues, but the whole "I'm older therefore smarter" argument is painful. Stupid people can be 22. Smart people can be 13. All I see in this thread are a bunch of mid 20 year old guys talking so condescendingly to their past selves and talking about how "mature" they are now. Different people mature at different times. Some people never mature. It's time we stop judging people based on their age and find out whether they're mature or not on a case by case basis esp. when they have some level of skill or talent, as OP does.
This God people, he didn't ask advice from the older more "mature" poster in this thread so stop being condescending. The real answer to why many teams and tourneys don't accept minors have been answered(legal issues/not worth the risk unless you are super good).I am 23 BTW before anybody tries to pass me off as another hurt 13 year old.
And yeah, while maturity often comes with age it doesn't mean its a general rule, some of our current Pros act in a very childish and immature way and a lot are quite unreliable and they are still allowed to play.
As for you OP, well if you are really commited and your parents support you then go for it and focus on getting to the next level, participate in small tourneys and stuff like that and make a name for yourself. As you are younger you will have to prove yourself more to the community, but its not certainly impossible. And also understand that you will have to sacrifice a lot of stuff and maybe you will regret it later(but meh to that, most of us regret a lot of stuff anyways, just be sure to be aware of the downside).
I mean you talk about having being banned and stuff like that, so that may indicate that you are not as mature as you think(none of us are) but as I said if you really want to be a pro then you just simply need to work your ass off and prove yourself, its not like it has been the first time an underage kid has proven himself to be good enough to be a pro gamer.
BTW I am kinda sad that you are so high and I am so low in ladder >_> I need to play more.
Edit: BTW no one is hating on underage people. As far as the reasons presented I agree in the legal ones, its just much harder for a team or organization to have underaged people participating and while popular belief may say different kids are more restricted to what they can do(you have to attend to school,not stay up too late , blah blah )
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Well you've been answered with 14 pages so I think you get the point but I agree with the rest. People don't want to play with anyone under 16 because of these mainly:
- You can easily get grounded from SC2 or have it taken away.
- Unreliable in just about any way you would think about it.
- Due to stereotypes the majority of people your age are VERY immature, most people don't want to take the risk of letting you on the team or into a tournament just to see you start raging and spamming everyone with "LULZ UR JUS MAD BRO, FKIN SCRUB L2P, L0L!XD"
- Most people your age have a squeaky voice which drives older people insane.
- Getting around to said tournaments assuming they are LAN (even though SC2 doesn't have LAN) is very difficult for you since you cannot drive.
- Staying up late and gaming or being on during certain hours is almost a guaranteed issue.
- etc, I could list more but they would honestly just be more in-depth reasons of what I've already said.
Good luck, I suppose you can always lie and say you're 16+ assuming you aren't trying to go to an IRL tourney or use voice chat.
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I know an 11 year old around 1.7k, he's really, really good.
Get to GM, and nobody will dare f around with your high rank, regardless of your age, trust me. Anything lower rank and you really don't have much of a chance of winning anything anyways.
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On June 26 2011 16:46 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I played Halo from age 11-14 (I'm 14 now but I've quit) and I found a team with 3 16-18 year olds after about 2-3 years.
It was something playing Halo on XBox Live and having prepubescent kids running around yelling things like "Come back here, faggot, I'll rape you till you bleed!" in their squeaky voices.
That and some dude who was a heavy breather. He'd sneak up on people, frag them, breath heavily and start grunting.
I'm guessing he was a little older, though, lol.
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I think it's been said a million times before, but it's just true.
Being 18 myself, I recently had to go through these troubles, but younger kids acting mature is a true rarity nowadays, and people put those kind of guidelines out to protect themselves from the vast majorities.
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It's all about the legal issues man. If you are a youngyon correct my spelling cause I messed it up. you need to learn that people need to do alot more than just screw around with these kids trying to sign up for tournaments. Way to Red Tape really sorry that you weren't born in a good era, such as 1980s cause if you were born in a good era and played BW like all the other good kids. I am pretty drunk right now but I really wanted to post here. Cause you are really just in need of some patience. Yeah you are masters and prob a good player but USA, and other countries don't want to deal with all the parental bull shit that goes in accepting players that are older.
The best example of this is VTpokebunney he is a young dude, he is really good would beat me for sure, though because of his age he still can't sign up for a lot of tournaments that he would win. I am sorry again that you couldn't have convinced your parents to push you out a couple years ahead of scheeldue.
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While i know what you mean to some extent having myself been an aspiring cs player when i was younger. Generally speaking it is just safer for teams to blindly say no. You must also understand that older generations dont like when 'kids' are better than them in terms of skill. I had that problem all the time back in the day, even though i wasnt a fucking squeaker lol. Good luck!
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At any rate, don't rush it, mate.
Starcraft 2 will be around when you're 18, and you'll be a beast.
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To the OP,
I think you need to understand it's mainly because (as stated multiple times in this thread) of the legal aspect of joining a team. In order to join a competitive professional gaming team, you often times must sign a contract that has many terms and conditions that I'm not going to list. If you're not 18, then you must have your parents/legal guardians to do it for you. Rules are rules. Plain and simple. Managers who run teams would not want to take the risk of you violating the contract, causing many problems not only for them, but for your parents who signed the contract. Not to mention the liability they must bear if something were to happen if you parents are not around.
Another issue is reliability. Being 13 years old, you're still dependent on your parents for mostly everything. The transportation, money, food, housing, is probably all provided by your parents. What if you can't make a tournament because they aren't willing to drive? What if you can't practice with the team because you parents want you to focus on school? Or what if this little thing called life happens, where unexpected events come up that basically get in the way of your obligations to the team? What if your interests change as you age and no longer consider Starcraft a big part of your life?
Also, it's not about being mature, hitting puberty, intelligence, etc. It doesn't matter that you claim to be mature for your age or that you took the SAT when you were in 6th grade. Like people said, there's a lot of immature people out there but can play in tournaments because they meet the minimum age requirement. But just because you can't play in 16+/18+ tournaments now doesn't mean you can't find practice partners or continue climbing that ladder. Keep playing and try to get to grandmasters to get more exposure because trust me, there are many people at your skill level.
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The answer is in the disclaimer....
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So now we don't accept 13 year olds? But we accepted Flash...
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"don't understand just because some of us are immature means that the rest of us have to suffer? I know plenty of 20 year old's that act MUCH more immature than I do"
The solution lies in the proportions, children under 16 mostly act immature and many are addicted to the game in a harmful way. While being older absolutely does not guarantee not being a dick, it kinda reduces the chance significantly because most of those are at college or work or both, so they experienced multiple level of socializing. Also have more sense of responsability since they drive, vote and mostly live in campus / their own apartment. That being said, on the internet every social category acts like assholes to some degree.
Also kids can be cruel in school (fights, bullying, w/e), which make the "victims" prone to overcompensate online, acting taugh, callin out people.
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