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On June 26 2011 04:44 Geordie wrote:
Whatever you say, 13 year old kids are ALWAYS going to be less immature than 18+ adults simply because your brains are not as developed as them. Science says so.
umm, less mature or less immature, thats a double negative. I am assuming ur saying that younger always equates to being more immature... in which case I can't say I agree. There are some infamous sc2 players which i won't name, but I am sure u can figure them out yourself. I am positive they are less mature than some players under 18...
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i don't see why it would make a difference in online tournaments though
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On June 26 2011 04:35 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
The points about legality are understandable. The "[most] younger kids are annoying/immature" is just a bad generalization, though. People mistake two different conceptions of maturity which justify this incorrect mindset. Maturity refers to either biological maturity or maturity of character. The former is one people associate the term with, so they automatically assume that the latter is contingent upon that physical age. The problem is that maturity of character actually refers to things like responsibility and things like tact, which most teenagers should have developed. Psychological science, for instance, determines that the human brain develops proper judgment capacity at around 12-14 years of age. Another problem is that there is no clear line in the sand between "an immature kid" and a mature one, so the generalization of all "young kids" fails once again. It's arbitrary to claim that an 18 year old is suddenly more mannered than a 17 year old, and it's just as arbitrary to claim that divide between 2 years of age and so on. The only proper distinction is one of legality.
You obviously haven't been around many teenagers, or at least don't have the perspective of an older person looking at them. Most people don't gain any true maturity until they've gotten real world experience, either after high school or college, when they have to support themeselves. I would say that there is a pretty hard line that defines mature or immature. it is; "if this kind had to fend for him/herself for a few months, would he or she have the necessary skills to find a job, keep up on basic responsibilities such as paying the bills, maintaining a healthy diet, being reliable at work and elsewhere, etc. If people are confident that you can do that, than you are mature. If not, you're immature. I would say that pretty much everyone under 16 couldn't do that, both because of character flaws, and because of the current laws and society. Those who can are the clear exception, not the rule.
Furthermore, I would say that about half of my peers (i'm 20, most of my friends are 19-25) would not fall under that definition of mature, and I don't think that is very uncommon. immature people are obviously a huge liability for many reasons that have already been stated, and I know that all managers would treat immature people the same, whether they are 13 or 30. The only difference is that if you are younger, you are expected to be immature, which is normal, but that means you just have to work harder to prove otherwise. A mature person would be able to see this, and would understand why this is the case and act accordingly.
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I can't really respond to all of the posts but I do know, eighteen8 I don't think this thread was made about what you should be doing with your life when your 13.
About the legality and stuff, this is probably the best point out there, and I have to say it's not exactly a hassle, if you were given a situation where you had a top 5 player but you wouldn't recruit him because he had to get his parents to sign his contracts. I don't think you'd deny it would you?
Again, I mentioned the generalization in the OP. Here's something for you, many people I talk to (any age) think that asians are just smarter than Americans. Asians are #1 in Math globally, but does that mean the generalization is correct? No. The reason for that is because you can't just say oh this group of people are better or worse than this group of people. Just like you can't say all kids are immature, sure if you did a study I bet you'd find the majority of kids are immature/annoying. But the exceptions outweight the majority, since the exceptions can turn into something truly great. I.e. pokebunny, flash started at 15? I think? People start from somewhere you shouldn't shut them down before they have a chance.
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On June 26 2011 04:47 Pokebunny wrote:
Legal issues. It sucks.
^ Listen to Pokebunny he knows first hand being a young pro
lets put it this way, you win GSL at 14 years old, who does the money go to? mom and dad not you...the same things that say kids can't gamble can apply here to winning vast sums of money (i suppose), use the next few years to improve vastly and who knows maybe a gsl win is in your future  good luck and don't let it get to you
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On June 26 2011 04:51 Sega92 wrote:^ Listen to Pokebunny he knows first hand being a young pro lets put it this way, you win GSL at 14 years old, who does the money go to? mom and dad not you...the same things that say kids can't gamble can apply here to winning vast sums of money (i suppose), use the next few years to improve vastly and who knows maybe a gsl win is in your future good luck and don't let it get to you
The money doesn't even matter to me, my parents are rich, I was actually planning, if I ever did win GSL I would give all the money back to the community via tournaments or maybe donating to the red cross.
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Yea Nagisa pretty much summed it up, I guess the real question is when does age no longer become a big deal, and at what point of success should a player be accepted regardless of their age... Another thing to remember is that the player is making their way up the ladder on their own, sicne most teams dont even accept younger players. Like atm, I am hovering around rank 50 in NA masters, but i cant get that extra boost that i need from having a team to practice with to break the barrier into masters league.
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On June 26 2011 04:50 Nagisa. wrote:
I can't really respond to all of the posts but I do know, eighteen8 I don't think this thread was made about what you should be doing with your life when your 13.
About the legality and stuff, this is probably the best point out there, and I have to say it's not exactly a hassle, if you were given a situation where you had a top 5 player but you wouldn't recruit him because he had to get his parents to sign his contracts. I don't think you'd deny it would you?
Again, I mentioned the generalization in the OP. Here's something for you, many people I talk to (any age) think that asians are just smarter than Americans. Asians are #1 in Math globally, but does that mean the generalization is correct? No. The reason for that is because you can't just say oh this group of people are better or worse than this group of people. Just like you can't say all kids are immature, sure if you did a study I bet you'd find the majority of kids are immature/annoying. But the exceptions outweight the majority, since the exceptions can turn into something truly great. I.e. pokebunny, flash started at 15? I think? People start from somewhere you shouldn't shut them down before they have a chance.
Most people aren't terrorists, but we still have to take our shoes off at the airport. Life is unfair.
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Don't look at this as a handicap. Look at this as an opportunity to set yourself up for success in a few years. You have the skill and support system that most people had no shot at when they were 13.
Sure you can't be part of a team, but you can find people at your level and beyond who can help you grow as a player. In a few years time, you will be a well known player and if your skill has grown as well, then you should have no problems finding a team.
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Legality issues are one thing, but treating people like shit because you're making assumptions about them due to an immutable trait is another. Lots of the people here are just making this rampant assumptions because of their interactions with some people under 18.
Treating a whole group of people based on the actions of some of the people within that group (whether those people are a majority or minority) is stereotyping and stupid.
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Everybody gets hate do your thing anyway. The world is like 90% haters people who want but are to weak to get and talk about coulda, woulda & shouldas. Get tough now it'll help you immensly in the long run. Walk tall and forward. You'll get everything you've ever wanted and more I promise.
Just keep working when you're a top GM they'll give you respect no matter what, there will still be haters hating on you though ;-)
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On June 26 2011 04:52 Nagisa. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 04:51 Sega92 wrote:On June 26 2011 04:47 Pokebunny wrote:
Legal issues. It sucks. ^ Listen to Pokebunny he knows first hand being a young pro lets put it this way, you win GSL at 14 years old, who does the money go to? mom and dad not you...the same things that say kids can't gamble can apply here to winning vast sums of money (i suppose), use the next few years to improve vastly and who knows maybe a gsl win is in your future good luck and don't let it get to you The money doesn't even matter to me, my parents are rich, I was actually planning, if I ever did win GSL I would give all the money back to the community via tournaments or maybe donating to the red cross.
Jeopardy has its teen tournament and I believe they do pay out money to kids (where it goes specifically I don't know). But if something were to happen, there's going to be a lot of legal issues involved and I don't think your parents want to be tied up in that. Remember, it's their decision that matters and not yours.
If I were you, I'd just play independently for now, someone go to MLG and make a showing there. If you do win or show an impressive showing, every team is going to flock to you and try to recruit you but to prepare, just play and enjoy the game for now.
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Libo, with a 9 pm EST bedtime I don't know how you would be okay.
at least its not as bad as eric dong though with his 6 pm est curfew
GET AT ME BRO.
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Ask the admins to compare you to CombatEX. I'm sure they'll let you participate in any tourney. ^^
On a serious note, it's just that younger people are not given legal privileges. Why? The general population of young teens are... have a good number of loose screws in the head. Not only that, if you go for an out of state LAN for example, if you got lost, the guys managing the LAN would get a shitstorm delivered to them by your parents since they're going to be burdened with the responsibility of taking care of an underage person.
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This thread raises some good arguements but like people have said, get over it OP. I think most people have had that moment when they were younger and thought they were more mature then much older people, truth is we're not and when I got older I realised what a retard I was for thinking it. You will aswell.
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On June 26 2011 04:52 Nagisa. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 04:51 Sega92 wrote:On June 26 2011 04:47 Pokebunny wrote:
Legal issues. It sucks. ^ Listen to Pokebunny he knows first hand being a young pro lets put it this way, you win GSL at 14 years old, who does the money go to? mom and dad not you...the same things that say kids can't gamble can apply here to winning vast sums of money (i suppose), use the next few years to improve vastly and who knows maybe a gsl win is in your future good luck and don't let it get to you The money doesn't even matter to me, my parents are rich, I was actually planning, if I ever did win GSL I would give all the money back to the community via tournaments or maybe donating to the red cross.
but thats the thing it wouldn't be your money to give your parents would get it til you were 18 also its just a LOT of hassle because of legal issues, if want to know more about it i would just pm poke and see if he responds because he is in the situation you would be in
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The short and easy answer is not having the players parents be a potential problem.
However I like many also can't stand high pitched young boy voices so for me that would be a factor as well. And though you act all mature and stuff now in this post. But you say you've gotten in to trouble for disrespecting. I've been banned as well.. don't think it was due to being disrespectful though but w/e still, there's a higher tendency for younger people to act immature even though some never grow out of it it's still more common among youngsters. As for teams it's a legal issue as well if you were to join EG for instance, I guess your parents would have to sign you on as well since they are the ones in charge etc. It's just a lot of stuff that factors in but still games should be for fun at that age, come back when you are 16 and own it up if you think you've got potential.
Also don't think going pro would be beneficial for you. Would leave less time for school and the e-sports business isn't exactly established fully yet so I'd recommend finishing school at least so you have something to fall back on if the whole pro thing doesn't work out for you.
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I was around 13 when sc came out... I'm 27 now and I entered quite a few tournaments when I was younger that had age restrictions. I think it's to cover their ass legally to make you say you're 18. I don't think they will make you prove it. Not sure if i'd worry about it.
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Sorry to say this.. but at that age I also thought I was very mature.
I was so wrong 
Although the things I do now are way more stupid then what I did back then, but that's mainly because my parents wouldn't let me ^^
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i am also 12 so i know what you mean, my rule is there are no fists on the internet, unless webcams are involved no-one can see you, you have to be ultra stupid to meat a pedophile in real life from meeting them on the internet. I have competed in 4 seinheiser cups a TLopen and a Go4SC2, none requires ages, or just lie about your age, cant harm you. As for the age limit the 16 is there for the cinematics. Blizzard themselves have an option for saying 'signing up for a son/daughter' (cant remember the exext words) so Blizz make it a 12+ at least. I am a member of the clan eXe and even cast for them, they are not aware of my exect age but have some idea that i am young. I am real ID friends with multiple adults on B.net who are aware of my age. No one ahs ever described me as annoying.
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