EPTWhy do kids get the hate? - Page 2
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SaYyId
Portugal277 Posts
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luckylefty
United States272 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:06 Nagisa. wrote: Again.. Not EVERY single child has to "ask their parent's permission" for everything. It's just another generalization, infact the majority of my friends 95% don't have to do that at all. I think a Job is more demanding than parents + public school. If anything 13 is where everyone should be hitting their prime, you have almost unlimited time. Nobody is saying 100% every single kid has to do XYZ. You are obviously missing the point. The point is MOST do because they are under age and it's not like they can just do whatever they want because of certain factors. Its easier to exclude the one exception to a case than to let everyone in and try to filter. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5225 Posts
Pokebunny got knocked out of MLG because he was late for his match. Perhaps if had double checked his schedule he wouldn't have been knocked out like that, and that is something you learn overtime in life. He won't make that mistake again I am sure, but it is too bad he wasn't 26 and didn't learn that earlier in life, when it may not have mattered as much. | ||
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roland_
United States1 Post
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:06 Nagisa. wrote: Again.. Not EVERY single child has to "ask their parent's permission" for everything. It's just another generalization, infact the majority of my friends 95% don't have to do that at all. I think a Job is more demanding than parents + public school. If anything 13 is where everyone should be hitting their prime, you have almost unlimited time. Er depends on how you define prime. I wouldn't define "prime" as being completely dependent on your parents while having little to no life experience in anything. If I were admin of a tournament or I team I simply wouldn't want to deal with the troubles of organizing things for such a young kid when I have so many other problems and tasks to solve and finish. About the kid hate, most little kids are terribly fucking annoying. So don't go around blabbing about your age and you're fine. I don't go around blabbing about my age do I? For all you know I could be 12, but it really doesn't matter since I don't tell anyone. | ||
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v1dom
159 Posts
1. Contracts for persons under 18 have to be signed by a parent/guardian, and it's up to the parent/guardian to be responsible for the child. Imagine an underage player breaks their contract, and I literally have to call their mom to discuss legal ramifications of their actions. In my WC3 days, I had to do this once, and it was completely embarrassing for everyone involved, including me. 2. Due to the fact that most persons under 18 are in school, this presents issues with availability and reliability. MLG events, for example, always start at 10am on a Friday morning, when you're sitting in class (outside the summer months). Are your parents going to let you skip school to compete? Can you stay up til 1am for a match against a European team? 3. Children are erratic. Most kids (even ones taking the game seriously) have issues with a wide range of erratic behavoir and unreliability. Adults are (for the most part, but not always) stable, with stable schedules and the time and money to invest in their game without being reliant on anyone but themselves. You can't drive to LAN events (or anywhere). How will you get to the LAN event 3 hours from your house? Is your guardian's dedication to the game as strong as your own? 4. Travel to major events (interstate): Are your parents going to let you fly to MLG and other events alone? Most hotels require a person over 21 to be present in the room. Do you realize that I, your manager, would be legally responsible for you as your "guardian" if not accompanied by a parent? If you got hit by a bus, or lost in the city, or were just a pint sized hellion and went out on the town drinking, I would be legally liable for anything and everything you did. The players on my team are all grown adults - the definition of professionals - and I still reiterate to them that when they room with each other at major events, that I am not responsible for what happens in their room(s). 5. Many major tournaments require that you be 18+ to compete or accept prizes. These are just a few reasons. I certainly don't "hate on" underage players, but in order for me personally to consider a player under 18, their skill level would have to vastly outweigh the RISKS (and they are), I've outlined above. You mentioned Pokebunny in your OP. This is an example of a young man who is the "one in a million," with both the talent, professionalism and history to warrant being on a professional team. For every one Pokebunny (and he may be one of a kind outside Korea), there are probably thousands or hundreds of thousands who aren't. Edit: If you are the second in a million, with top grandmaster talent, a stable attitude (unlikely since you've admitted you've bad mannered in the recent past), parents who are completely understanding and supporting of your hobby, and willing to discuss year-long legal contracts, which will bind their 13 year old son to what amounts essentially to a close-to-full-time job, don't hesitate to e-mail me. Domino 4Kings | ||
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Hollis
United States505 Posts
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Juice!
Belgium295 Posts
Then you should re-check your starcraft 2 box mate .. On mine it says +16 And if you don't believe me, check the link :-) http://www.pegi.info/en/index/global_id/505/?searchString=starcraft 2 | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:15 BronzeKnee wrote: It comes down to maturity and responsibility. One might think their parents can drive them, but something comes up, and then they miss a match or two. People not showing up really plagues tourneys, and inviting people under 18 is inviting these kinds of issues, and I saw this first hand with a few players in the New England Starcraft 2 League. Pokebunny got knocked out of MLG because he was late for his match. Perhaps if had double checked his schedule he wouldn't have been knocked out like that, and that is something you learn overtime in life. He won't make that mistake again I am sure, but it is too bad he wasn't 26 and didn't learn that earlier in life, when it may not have mattered as much. Catz got kicked out of MLG too, if anything your post shows how age has very little to do with whether you're going to be an issue at tourneys. I'm with you OP, I'm 16 now but I started gaming when I was young, I used to lie about my age in WoW until I was comfortable enough with a clan to go on vent, then they realized I was like 13 and were surprised. If people would give us half a chance they'd be surprised. It's mostly a stereotype and it feels kind of discriminatory. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:11 luckylefty wrote: Nobody is saying 100% every single kid has to do XYZ. You are obviously missing the point. The point is MOST do because they are under age and it's not like they can just do whatever they want because of certain factors. Its easier to exclude the one exception to a case than to let everyone in and try to filter. I do not know any kids who would ask their parents permission to play in an sc2 tournament. | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:18 Juice! wrote: Then you should re-check your starcraft 2 box mate .. On mine it says +16 And if you don't believe me, check the link :-) http://www.pegi.info/en/index/global_id/505/?searchString=starcraft 2 Different countries have different ratings. The ESRB rated it teen, or 13+ | ||
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rizzla
United States45 Posts
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FinnGamer
Germany2426 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:18 Juice! wrote: Then you should re-check your starcraft 2 box mate .. On mine it says +16 And if you don't believe me, check the link :-) http://www.pegi.info/en/index/global_id/505/?searchString=starcraft 2 It's 12+ in germany, PEGI is not the offical rater in every country | ||
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Orf
United States44 Posts
someone with older and wiser might have said something less inflammatory like Why are younger players less accepted within the SC2 community. Aside from that, for me accepting a 13 year old would be hard because of the life experiences you have. I am 25 years old, have a 4 year old son, i work full time pay rent all my bills and support my family. There is no possible way for you to understand what is going on in my life, no matter how "mature for your age" you are. I would have a very hard time treating someone who has never lived away from home with much respect, and not like just a kid. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
Not only that, most tournaments don't want to deal with kids. Honestly, even though you are an exception, most all adults automatically assume "kids are irresponsible and a hassle" for a very good reason. Because most are. They don't want to have to deal with their parents or have to make special accommodations because of school or whatnot because they have a thousand other issues to tackle. | ||
LolitsPing
United States285 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:17 v1dom wrote: As a leader of an eSports team, I can give you a few reasons we don't accept or consider players under 18. 1. Contracts for persons under 18 have to be signed by a parent/guardian, and it's up to the parent/guardian to be responsible for the child. Imagine an underage player breaks their contract, and I literally have to call their mom to discuss legal ramifications of their actions. In my WC3 days, I had to do this once, and it was completely embarrassing for everyone involved, including me. 2. Due to the fact that most persons under 18 are in school, this presents issues with availability and reliability. MLG events, for example, always start at 10am on a Friday morning, when you're sitting in class (outside the summer months). Are your parents going to let you skip school to compete? Can you stay up til 1am for a match against a European team? 3. Children are erratic. Most kids (even ones taking the game seriously) have issues with a wide range of erratic behavoir and unreliability. Adults are (for the most part, but not always) stable, with stable schedules and the time and money to invest in their game without being reliant on anyone but themselves. You can't drive to LAN events (or anywhere). How will you get to the LAN event 3 hours from your house? Is your guardian's dedication to the game as strong as your own? 4. Travel to major events (interstate): Are your parents going to let you fly to MLG and other events alone? Most hotels require a person over 21 to be present in the room. Do you realize that I, your manager, would be legally responsible for you as your "guardian" if not accompanied by a parent? If you got hit by a bus, or lost in the city, or were just a pint sized hellion and went out on the town drinking, I would be legally liable for anything and everything you did. The players on my team are all grown adults - the definition of professionals - and I still reiterate to them that when they room with each other at major events, that I am not responsible for what happens in their room(s). 5. Many major tournaments require that you be 18+ to compete or accept prizes. These are just a few reasons. I certainly don't "hate on" underage players, but in order for me personally to consider a player under 18, their skill level would have to vastly outweigh the RISKS (and they are), I've outlined above. You mentioned Pokebunny in your OP. This is an example of a young man who is the "one in a million," with both the talent, professionalism and history to warrant being on a professional team. For everyone one Pokebunny (and he may be one of a kind outside Korea), there are probably thousands or hundreds of thousands who aren't. Domino 4Kings This pretty much sums it up. | ||
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-swordguy
United States560 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
but i do agree, most of the younger players don tget much respect. however, I just suggest you don't tell anyone until asked. the way you act should carry you further. and 13 is not a prime age, the main reason being that your brain has alot of growing to do. the actual prime imo is gonna be 17-25. your brain actually peaks at around age 23 (so technically I think thats the prime prime age) | ||
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SkySpy
United States245 Posts
God I hate people. | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
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