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On June 25 2011 09:39 Casablancas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:38 The Void wrote:On June 25 2011 09:35 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:33 sefio wrote:
I don't get it. Is it against the rules if I go over to a friends house and play a game on his account lol? If everyone did that, a lot less copies would be sold. Unless of course your just trying the game out and maybe purchasing it later. bullshit!!!!!! if a game is good, i will buy it. ps: i havent buy any game except of sc, sc:bw and sc2.... 8[ So if your friend is tired of the game you dont just play on his account instead of buying your own?
that game wasnt good enough to keep my friend and mine. you cant stop sharing games that people dont want to play by themself.
[edit]: its yours when you buy it. if you buy a CD(album) u can give whom ever you wants. there is no policy that can deny this, even if Blizzard want to and bring up special EULA.
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That's pretty crazy. It would be a shame if Blizzard had to close their account, they would have to laddar like crazy if they wanna be back in Grand Masters league. Best of luck to them at the HomeStory Cup too. :D
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On June 25 2011 09:42 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:34 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:32 snotboogie wrote:
This nonsense would be a lot more palatable if they actually fixed
-cross region play
-LAN
The Cross region server problem is not easily solveable and only annoy a very samll fraction of the playerbase. I would trust R1CH's opinion on that, but I think you're wrong on both points. Everyone wants to play with overseas friends, particularly without spending extra money. It'd be quite easily to just open all the realms, even if ladders were still localized. But the custom games implementation is still clunky, and latency isn't necessarily good. This doesn't mean it wouldn't be easy to open the realms. And those problems have their own solutions, like introducing a second netcode that imitates the p2p connections of BW and infinite other games, over which you also happen to be able to simulate LAN latency. Of course, I suspect this also has some nonsense piracy threat attached to it. So they want everything funneled through big brother Blizzard.
Not a lot of the playerbase have friends on another continent. And cross server latency is apperantly already a problem.
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Although this sounds ridiculous it has to be enforced.
If Pro players start sharing accounts and then the account is compromised and things could be done that would ruin their reputation.
Blizzard also might just be worried about people abusing the GrandMaster League.
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On June 25 2011 09:27 Casablancas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:20 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:07 squrl wrote:
i think that blizzard activision never cared about e-sports, they just wanted to get the koreans to pay for their tournaments, when blizzard couldnt get korean tournament hosters to pay them licensing fees, they made a whole new game and forced everyone to switch over to it so they could enforce their rules and make it popular so that they could justify shutting down the brood wars servers So they made SC2 to piss off the BW community? thats actually not that far off from the truth ^_^ On June 25 2011 09:20 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Xevious wrote:
No offense but this is really damn sad. Do they even fucking know that these people and so many others dedicate their lives to their video game? Dedicate life or making money by playing a game. Who owes who? I would say the progamers owe Blizzard. Players like Huk are not selling SC2 copies and making money for Blizzard, everyone who follows the pro scene have already bought the game. Blizzard make the same amount of money from the casual gamer that played the campaign once and played two ladder games before moving on to a new game as oppose to the die hard fan or progamer who uses several hours a day on the game. most pros have 2+ accounts. even the hardcore have 2+ accounts. i guess basketball players owe spalding their career. They own the inventor of Basketball their Career? Besides, pros in other sports have paid for their equipment. When you make money from playing tournaments all over the world I dont see a problem with you having to pay for an extra account.
statement 1 was sarcasm, following your logic of "pros owe blizzard". second statement, tangable item and digital item are two different things. there is only 1 logical reason, or the most important reason why it is region locked is money (i think i can confidently say isolated metagame shift isn't their #1 priority).
On June 25 2011 09:28 Casablancas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:26 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:24 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 The Void wrote:
i really, really would love to see them apologize, just this time.
just say "sorry"!
[edit]: WE are making this thing happen. WE the fans and audition. WE the payers. WE the producers. WE dont want to be treat this way. Payers? Since you bought the game, probably a year a go, have you paid anything to Blizzard? Blizzard isnt making money off of you watching Esport. there's a thing called licencing fee from broadcasters. kespa vs blizzard? I have watched every major tournament in SC2 and havent paid anything.
you can say the same for NBA, NFL, Olympics, even youtube for that matter, applies to almost every event you're watching. that isn't how they make money.
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On June 25 2011 09:27 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:26 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:24 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 The Void wrote:
i really, really would love to see them apologize, just this time.
just say "sorry"!
[edit]: WE are making this thing happen. WE the fans and audition. WE the payers. WE the producers. WE dont want to be treat this way. Payers? Since you bought the game, probably a year a go, have you paid anything to Blizzard? Blizzard isnt making money off of you watching Esport. there's a thing called licencing fee from broadcasters. kespa vs blizzard? That is pocket change to them. ;/
It's significant otherwise they wouldn't have circle jerked them in court.
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to be honest technicaly huk was wrong
but blizz dont really care as long its not money envolved like with wow accounts
(they cost money so they care )
aslong they dont do stuff like make grandmaster accounts and selll them on ebay or stuff where you can earn money from its fine
blizzard dont care seriously really dont care
and what a community manager of germany says doesnt mean that blizzard HQ feels the same way
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On June 25 2011 09:35 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 01:04 iNcontroL wrote:the issue is that nobody would think twice about huk using TLO's account... nobody at home is going "O M G I just realized I can allow my friend to use my account so he doesn't have to buy one!" But when blizzard calls them up and asks em not to and then threatens action they get a huge PR mess... It's really dumb  well said, what a shit storm
'till they get banned for doing it and are like 'Hey, I watch progamers share accounts all the time - why don't they get banned but I do?! GG BLIZZ". Not to mention it's ladder abuse. I think it's pretty good that Blizzard puts maximum effort in to the ladder as long as it remains relevant.
I don't understand why people are so in arms about this - I'm pretty sure many people think TLO actually got banned.
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On June 25 2011 09:46 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:27 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:20 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:07 squrl wrote:
i think that blizzard activision never cared about e-sports, they just wanted to get the koreans to pay for their tournaments, when blizzard couldnt get korean tournament hosters to pay them licensing fees, they made a whole new game and forced everyone to switch over to it so they could enforce their rules and make it popular so that they could justify shutting down the brood wars servers So they made SC2 to piss off the BW community? thats actually not that far off from the truth ^_^ On June 25 2011 09:20 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Xevious wrote:
No offense but this is really damn sad. Do they even fucking know that these people and so many others dedicate their lives to their video game? Dedicate life or making money by playing a game. Who owes who? I would say the progamers owe Blizzard. Players like Huk are not selling SC2 copies and making money for Blizzard, everyone who follows the pro scene have already bought the game. Blizzard make the same amount of money from the casual gamer that played the campaign once and played two ladder games before moving on to a new game as oppose to the die hard fan or progamer who uses several hours a day on the game. most pros have 2+ accounts. even the hardcore have 2+ accounts. i guess basketball players owe spalding their career. They own the inventor of Basketball their Career? Besides, pros in other sports have paid for their equipment. When you make money from playing tournaments all over the world I dont see a problem with you having to pay for an extra account. statement 1 was sarcasm, following your logic of "pros owe blizzard". second statement, tangable item and digital item are two different things. there is only 1 logical reason, or the most important reason why it is region locked is money (individual metagame shift isn't their #1 priority). Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:28 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:26 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:24 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 The Void wrote:
i really, really would love to see them apologize, just this time.
just say "sorry"!
[edit]: WE are making this thing happen. WE the fans and audition. WE the payers. WE the producers. WE dont want to be treat this way. Payers? Since you bought the game, probably a year a go, have you paid anything to Blizzard? Blizzard isnt making money off of you watching Esport. there's a thing called licencing fee from broadcasters. kespa vs blizzard? I have watched every major tournament in SC2 and havent paid anything. you can say the same for NBA, NFL, Olympics, even youtube for that matter, applies to almost every event you're watching. but oh my, i didnt pay a single dime! that isn't how they make money.
No, they make money by selling games (And subscription to games)
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If Huk can´t get a Match to warmup its an error in the System sry.
And i believe they haven´t thought about consequences ,when you only wanna play a warmup match.
Its shit if TLO now faces consequences with his EU acc.
But as i wrote in another post,let´s hope this resolves itself,cuz its only interferring an great Event so far.
And to the whole Blizzard vs Progamer "thing".
They both profit from each other,and that´s how it should be
P.S:like they say in the states:Win-Win situation.
But perhaps Blizzard is a bit on the hook with this subject cause of the whole "Fight for your right"-think with Kespa.
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On June 25 2011 09:24 Casablancas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:14 The Void wrote:
i really, really would love to see them apologize, just this time.
just say "sorry"!
[edit]: WE are making this thing happen. WE the fans and audition. WE the payers. WE the producers. WE dont want to be treat this way. Payers? Since you bought the game, probably a year a go, have you paid anything to Blizzard? Blizzard isnt making money off of you watching Esport.
I agree here. I think this stream is largely ignoring the issue of streaming in relation to Blizzard. I get so much free entertainment watching SCII streams these days. Presumably, Blizzard could be concerned that they are not reaping direct material awards from the reproduction of their copyrighted material on a stream. But they are smart enough to realize that streaming SCII is good publicity.
That said, as Zactic posted earlier: "All the Blizz guy asked for was that they don't show account sharing on the stream." That is an entirely legitimate request. And so many fans claiming to be alienated because of this?
When someone wantonly breaks the TOS on a stream the offender is publicizing their breaking of the rules. Why would anyone expect them to not take action when a high profile pro breaks their rules in so public a manner? Most of the comments in this thread are ignoring the fact that the "freedom" we have to stream what we want to is partially an illusion. I can't believe Justin.tv hasn't cracked down on people streaming copyrighted music. In not doing so, they are giving us the false impression that streaming is all about the streamer and his or her audience. But streams raise issues about ownership, copyright, and the public/privater realms. Imo, Blizzard should be concerned that someone would broadcast their breaking of the TOS in such a public manner.
I wish the world was different with regard to copyrighted music so that we could legally stream whatever we want to. I wish that we had LAN for SCII and I wish that we could play cross realms without buying another account. But that's not the case. Having read too much of this thread, I am amazed at the quickness with which so many bite the hand that feeds them. If you hate Blizz so much, then move on to a game made by a smaller company with less ambitions about making a popular game.
tl dr I'm not a Blizzard fanboy, but I can't believe all the idealism and hackneyed anti-corporate sentiment in this thread. Why would anyone expect Blizzard to NOT enforce its rules/TOS when they have been broken on a popular stream? Our enjoyment of SCII will always be in tension with Blizzard's rules and with their desire to make money and cater to non-hardcore fanbase. I'm on board with critiquing their mapmaking because that's an area where we arguably can make a difference...but to argue the legitimacy of a corporation enforcing their TOS?
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On June 25 2011 09:47 Casablancas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:46 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:27 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:20 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:07 squrl wrote:
i think that blizzard activision never cared about e-sports, they just wanted to get the koreans to pay for their tournaments, when blizzard couldnt get korean tournament hosters to pay them licensing fees, they made a whole new game and forced everyone to switch over to it so they could enforce their rules and make it popular so that they could justify shutting down the brood wars servers So they made SC2 to piss off the BW community? thats actually not that far off from the truth ^_^ On June 25 2011 09:20 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Xevious wrote:
No offense but this is really damn sad. Do they even fucking know that these people and so many others dedicate their lives to their video game? Dedicate life or making money by playing a game. Who owes who? I would say the progamers owe Blizzard. Players like Huk are not selling SC2 copies and making money for Blizzard, everyone who follows the pro scene have already bought the game. Blizzard make the same amount of money from the casual gamer that played the campaign once and played two ladder games before moving on to a new game as oppose to the die hard fan or progamer who uses several hours a day on the game. most pros have 2+ accounts. even the hardcore have 2+ accounts. i guess basketball players owe spalding their career. They own the inventor of Basketball their Career? Besides, pros in other sports have paid for their equipment. When you make money from playing tournaments all over the world I dont see a problem with you having to pay for an extra account. statement 1 was sarcasm, following your logic of "pros owe blizzard". second statement, tangable item and digital item are two different things. there is only 1 logical reason, or the most important reason why it is region locked is money (individual metagame shift isn't their #1 priority). On June 25 2011 09:28 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:26 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:24 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 The Void wrote:
i really, really would love to see them apologize, just this time.
just say "sorry"!
[edit]: WE are making this thing happen. WE the fans and audition. WE the payers. WE the producers. WE dont want to be treat this way. Payers? Since you bought the game, probably a year a go, have you paid anything to Blizzard? Blizzard isnt making money off of you watching Esport. there's a thing called licencing fee from broadcasters. kespa vs blizzard? I have watched every major tournament in SC2 and havent paid anything. you can say the same for NBA, NFL, Olympics, even youtube for that matter, applies to almost every event you're watching. but oh my, i didnt pay a single dime! that isn't how they make money. No, they make money by selling games (And subscription to games)
no, i was actually going by ads. blizzard makes money by selling games...yes, tahts what they do. gom does not, nasl does not, dreamhack does not, but why does blizzard support events? because they get paid for it by fees and exposure (potential profit).
making money from ads is no joke. its actually what drives everything.
so in short, pros do not owe blizzard like you claim. you DO pay for watching events by looking at their ads.
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On June 25 2011 09:45 Casablancas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:42 oBlade wrote:On June 25 2011 09:34 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:32 snotboogie wrote:
This nonsense would be a lot more palatable if they actually fixed
-cross region play
-LAN
The Cross region server problem is not easily solveable and only annoy a very samll fraction of the playerbase. I would trust R1CH's opinion on that, but I think you're wrong on both points. Everyone wants to play with overseas friends, particularly without spending extra money. It'd be quite easily to just open all the realms, even if ladders were still localized. But the custom games implementation is still clunky, and latency isn't necessarily good. This doesn't mean it wouldn't be easy to open the realms. And those problems have their own solutions, like introducing a second netcode that imitates the p2p connections of BW and infinite other games, over which you also happen to be able to simulate LAN latency. Of course, I suspect this also has some nonsense piracy threat attached to it. So they want everything funneled through big brother Blizzard. Not a lot of the playerbase have friends on another continent. And cross server latency is apperantly already a problem.
If you don't have friends on another continent, it's because you can't meet them because it isn't cross realm to begin with. But for instance, look at how international TLAF-Liquid is. That's your home team, if you didn't know. In any decent game, you wouldn't care where the other players were from as long as you shared at least one language. People were even upset about the localizations of their campaign because they wanted to play the original English production.
And the entire social experience, which we were sold during the whole journey, is crap. Things which should have been in (chats, clans) weren't. That you can't get out of your shell and realize people like using the internet to meet their peers from wherever in the world... I expect you're the minority.
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On June 25 2011 09:51 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:47 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:46 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:27 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:20 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:07 squrl wrote:
i think that blizzard activision never cared about e-sports, they just wanted to get the koreans to pay for their tournaments, when blizzard couldnt get korean tournament hosters to pay them licensing fees, they made a whole new game and forced everyone to switch over to it so they could enforce their rules and make it popular so that they could justify shutting down the brood wars servers So they made SC2 to piss off the BW community? thats actually not that far off from the truth ^_^ On June 25 2011 09:20 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Xevious wrote:
No offense but this is really damn sad. Do they even fucking know that these people and so many others dedicate their lives to their video game? Dedicate life or making money by playing a game. Who owes who? I would say the progamers owe Blizzard. Players like Huk are not selling SC2 copies and making money for Blizzard, everyone who follows the pro scene have already bought the game. Blizzard make the same amount of money from the casual gamer that played the campaign once and played two ladder games before moving on to a new game as oppose to the die hard fan or progamer who uses several hours a day on the game. most pros have 2+ accounts. even the hardcore have 2+ accounts. i guess basketball players owe spalding their career. They own the inventor of Basketball their Career? Besides, pros in other sports have paid for their equipment. When you make money from playing tournaments all over the world I dont see a problem with you having to pay for an extra account. statement 1 was sarcasm, following your logic of "pros owe blizzard". second statement, tangable item and digital item are two different things. there is only 1 logical reason, or the most important reason why it is region locked is money (individual metagame shift isn't their #1 priority). On June 25 2011 09:28 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:26 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:24 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 The Void wrote:
i really, really would love to see them apologize, just this time.
just say "sorry"!
[edit]: WE are making this thing happen. WE the fans and audition. WE the payers. WE the producers. WE dont want to be treat this way. Payers? Since you bought the game, probably a year a go, have you paid anything to Blizzard? Blizzard isnt making money off of you watching Esport. there's a thing called licencing fee from broadcasters. kespa vs blizzard? I have watched every major tournament in SC2 and havent paid anything. you can say the same for NBA, NFL, Olympics, even youtube for that matter, applies to almost every event you're watching. but oh my, i didnt pay a single dime! that isn't how they make money. No, they make money by selling games (And subscription to games) no, i was actually going by ads. blizzard makes money by selling games...yes, tahts what they do. gom does not, nasl does not, dreamhack does not, but why does blizzard support events? because they get paid for it by fees and exposure (potential profit). making money from ads is no joke. its actually what drives everything.
Well, 99% of the people who comes to TL and watch a stream have already bought the game.
GSL, MLG and so on makes money off of showing SC2, so of course Blizzard get some money from that. But the majority of their income is from selling games, so when pros ("rolemodels") is showing account sharing on a stream should they not react?
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On June 25 2011 09:51 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:45 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:42 oBlade wrote:On June 25 2011 09:34 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:32 snotboogie wrote:
This nonsense would be a lot more palatable if they actually fixed
-cross region play
-LAN
The Cross region server problem is not easily solveable and only annoy a very samll fraction of the playerbase. I would trust R1CH's opinion on that, but I think you're wrong on both points. Everyone wants to play with overseas friends, particularly without spending extra money. It'd be quite easily to just open all the realms, even if ladders were still localized. But the custom games implementation is still clunky, and latency isn't necessarily good. This doesn't mean it wouldn't be easy to open the realms. And those problems have their own solutions, like introducing a second netcode that imitates the p2p connections of BW and infinite other games, over which you also happen to be able to simulate LAN latency. Of course, I suspect this also has some nonsense piracy threat attached to it. So they want everything funneled through big brother Blizzard. Not a lot of the playerbase have friends on another continent. And cross server latency is apperantly already a problem. If you don't have friends on another continent, it's because you can't meet them because it isn't cross realm to begin with. But for instance, look at how international TLAF-Liquid is. That's your home team, if you didn't know. In any decent game, you wouldn't care where the other players were from as long as you shared at least one language. People were even upset about the localizations of their campaign because they wanted to play the original English production. And the entire social experience, which we were sold during the whole journey, is crap. Things which should have been in (chats, clans) weren't. That you can't get out of your shell and realize people like using the internet to meet their peers from wherever in the world... I expect you're the minority.
No, I dont play SC2 to meet people from the US or Korea. There are several thousand people on the server I play on, so there are lots of people to play with and befriend. But as an American who have moved to Europe etc and want to play with his American friends i can see its is a problem. But then you can buy another account or play another game.
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On June 25 2011 09:57 Casablancas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:51 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:47 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:46 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:27 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:20 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:07 squrl wrote:
i think that blizzard activision never cared about e-sports, they just wanted to get the koreans to pay for their tournaments, when blizzard couldnt get korean tournament hosters to pay them licensing fees, they made a whole new game and forced everyone to switch over to it so they could enforce their rules and make it popular so that they could justify shutting down the brood wars servers So they made SC2 to piss off the BW community? thats actually not that far off from the truth ^_^ On June 25 2011 09:20 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Xevious wrote:
No offense but this is really damn sad. Do they even fucking know that these people and so many others dedicate their lives to their video game? Dedicate life or making money by playing a game. Who owes who? I would say the progamers owe Blizzard. Players like Huk are not selling SC2 copies and making money for Blizzard, everyone who follows the pro scene have already bought the game. Blizzard make the same amount of money from the casual gamer that played the campaign once and played two ladder games before moving on to a new game as oppose to the die hard fan or progamer who uses several hours a day on the game. most pros have 2+ accounts. even the hardcore have 2+ accounts. i guess basketball players owe spalding their career. They own the inventor of Basketball their Career? Besides, pros in other sports have paid for their equipment. When you make money from playing tournaments all over the world I dont see a problem with you having to pay for an extra account. statement 1 was sarcasm, following your logic of "pros owe blizzard". second statement, tangable item and digital item are two different things. there is only 1 logical reason, or the most important reason why it is region locked is money (individual metagame shift isn't their #1 priority). On June 25 2011 09:28 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:26 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:24 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 The Void wrote:
i really, really would love to see them apologize, just this time.
just say "sorry"!
[edit]: WE are making this thing happen. WE the fans and audition. WE the payers. WE the producers. WE dont want to be treat this way. Payers? Since you bought the game, probably a year a go, have you paid anything to Blizzard? Blizzard isnt making money off of you watching Esport. there's a thing called licencing fee from broadcasters. kespa vs blizzard? I have watched every major tournament in SC2 and havent paid anything. you can say the same for NBA, NFL, Olympics, even youtube for that matter, applies to almost every event you're watching. but oh my, i didnt pay a single dime! that isn't how they make money. No, they make money by selling games (And subscription to games) no, i was actually going by ads. blizzard makes money by selling games...yes, tahts what they do. gom does not, nasl does not, dreamhack does not, but why does blizzard support events? because they get paid for it by fees and exposure (potential profit). making money from ads is no joke. its actually what drives everything. Well, 99% of the people who comes to TL and watch a stream have already bought the game. GSL, MLG and so on makes money off of showing SC2, so of course Blizzard get some money from that. But the majority of their income is from selling games, so when pros ("rolemodels") is showing account sharing on a stream should they not react?
how did it go from "blizzard isn't making money from you watching esport" to "account sharing on stream, should they not react?"
its a different subject but i'll bite.
its their rule and they should enforce it. is it a good rule? i guess that depends on the perspective.
TLO/HUK mess up? sure, they broke the ToS but i've driven 10mph over the speed limit before(if not more).
i personally think they should allow lan, free region, multiple account name.
its something we already had but they took it away...wonder why?
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Thats a joke haha, if they added lan or just fixed the ladders nothing like this would ever happen. I think its funny how blizzard personally calls them though
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On June 25 2011 10:02 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:57 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:51 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:47 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:46 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:27 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:20 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:07 squrl wrote:
i think that blizzard activision never cared about e-sports, they just wanted to get the koreans to pay for their tournaments, when blizzard couldnt get korean tournament hosters to pay them licensing fees, they made a whole new game and forced everyone to switch over to it so they could enforce their rules and make it popular so that they could justify shutting down the brood wars servers So they made SC2 to piss off the BW community? thats actually not that far off from the truth ^_^ On June 25 2011 09:20 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Xevious wrote:
No offense but this is really damn sad. Do they even fucking know that these people and so many others dedicate their lives to their video game? Dedicate life or making money by playing a game. Who owes who? I would say the progamers owe Blizzard. Players like Huk are not selling SC2 copies and making money for Blizzard, everyone who follows the pro scene have already bought the game. Blizzard make the same amount of money from the casual gamer that played the campaign once and played two ladder games before moving on to a new game as oppose to the die hard fan or progamer who uses several hours a day on the game. most pros have 2+ accounts. even the hardcore have 2+ accounts. i guess basketball players owe spalding their career. They own the inventor of Basketball their Career? Besides, pros in other sports have paid for their equipment. When you make money from playing tournaments all over the world I dont see a problem with you having to pay for an extra account. statement 1 was sarcasm, following your logic of "pros owe blizzard". second statement, tangable item and digital item are two different things. there is only 1 logical reason, or the most important reason why it is region locked is money (individual metagame shift isn't their #1 priority). On June 25 2011 09:28 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:26 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:24 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 The Void wrote:
i really, really would love to see them apologize, just this time.
just say "sorry"!
[edit]: WE are making this thing happen. WE the fans and audition. WE the payers. WE the producers. WE dont want to be treat this way. Payers? Since you bought the game, probably a year a go, have you paid anything to Blizzard? Blizzard isnt making money off of you watching Esport. there's a thing called licencing fee from broadcasters. kespa vs blizzard? I have watched every major tournament in SC2 and havent paid anything. you can say the same for NBA, NFL, Olympics, even youtube for that matter, applies to almost every event you're watching. but oh my, i didnt pay a single dime! that isn't how they make money. No, they make money by selling games (And subscription to games) no, i was actually going by ads. blizzard makes money by selling games...yes, tahts what they do. gom does not, nasl does not, dreamhack does not, but why does blizzard support events? because they get paid for it by fees and exposure (potential profit). making money from ads is no joke. its actually what drives everything. Well, 99% of the people who comes to TL and watch a stream have already bought the game. GSL, MLG and so on makes money off of showing SC2, so of course Blizzard get some money from that. But the majority of their income is from selling games, so when pros ("rolemodels") is showing account sharing on a stream should they not react? how did it go from "blizzard isn't making money from you watching esport" to "account sharing on stream, should they not react?" its a different subject but i'll bite. its their rule and they should enforce it. is it a good rule? i guess that depends on the perspective. TLO/HUK mess up? sure, they broke the ToS but i've driven 10mph over the speed limit before(if not more).
And if you made a video of you breaking the law like it was ok or cool to do it (huk is a rolemodel in the community) and had it shown on TV you would be surprised if the authorities reacted?
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Well they better ban GSTL too, since the 4 guys who play all use the same team account..
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On June 25 2011 07:03 Tofugrinder wrote:
When I heard of this at first I thought somebody was trolling. Still can't believe it..
Maybe Blizzard bans all team Accounts in the GSTL too? they are used from up to 8 people!! -.-
So many people fixating on what happened without thinking about WHY it happened. Desrow openly level up peoples accounts for money on his stream and nothing happens to him. Korean pro teams openly share accounts and nothing happens to them.
They don't have the resources to police the account sharing habits of the entire sc2 population, however, they do care about is the success of THIS.
TLDR: They want their GM division to have meaning. Playing someone elses ID in GM devalues it.
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