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people should stop overreacting.
Blizzard is hosting the blizzcon qualifiers soon (august if the timings are similar to last year) and will be inviting the top8/16 based on ladder rankings. Obviously if huk pushes TLO's account top the top then it gives TLO an unfair advantage as he did not play and could mess up the final rankings as TLO would have to push less points to reach top8. Blizzard doesn't give a fuck if you play on your diamond friend's account.
get over it
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On June 25 2011 10:04 Leeto wrote:
Well they better ban GSTL too, since the 4 guys who play all use the same team account..
Do they ladder on said account? No. That's the issue.
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On June 25 2011 10:04 Casablancas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 10:02 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:57 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:51 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:47 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:46 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:27 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:20 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:07 squrl wrote:
i think that blizzard activision never cared about e-sports, they just wanted to get the koreans to pay for their tournaments, when blizzard couldnt get korean tournament hosters to pay them licensing fees, they made a whole new game and forced everyone to switch over to it so they could enforce their rules and make it popular so that they could justify shutting down the brood wars servers So they made SC2 to piss off the BW community? thats actually not that far off from the truth ^_^ On June 25 2011 09:20 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Xevious wrote:
No offense but this is really damn sad. Do they even fucking know that these people and so many others dedicate their lives to their video game? Dedicate life or making money by playing a game. Who owes who? I would say the progamers owe Blizzard. Players like Huk are not selling SC2 copies and making money for Blizzard, everyone who follows the pro scene have already bought the game. Blizzard make the same amount of money from the casual gamer that played the campaign once and played two ladder games before moving on to a new game as oppose to the die hard fan or progamer who uses several hours a day on the game. most pros have 2+ accounts. even the hardcore have 2+ accounts. i guess basketball players owe spalding their career. They own the inventor of Basketball their Career? Besides, pros in other sports have paid for their equipment. When you make money from playing tournaments all over the world I dont see a problem with you having to pay for an extra account. statement 1 was sarcasm, following your logic of "pros owe blizzard". second statement, tangable item and digital item are two different things. there is only 1 logical reason, or the most important reason why it is region locked is money (individual metagame shift isn't their #1 priority). On June 25 2011 09:28 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:26 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:24 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 The Void wrote:
i really, really would love to see them apologize, just this time.
just say "sorry"!
[edit]: WE are making this thing happen. WE the fans and audition. WE the payers. WE the producers. WE dont want to be treat this way. Payers? Since you bought the game, probably a year a go, have you paid anything to Blizzard? Blizzard isnt making money off of you watching Esport. there's a thing called licencing fee from broadcasters. kespa vs blizzard? I have watched every major tournament in SC2 and havent paid anything. you can say the same for NBA, NFL, Olympics, even youtube for that matter, applies to almost every event you're watching. but oh my, i didnt pay a single dime! that isn't how they make money. No, they make money by selling games (And subscription to games) no, i was actually going by ads. blizzard makes money by selling games...yes, tahts what they do. gom does not, nasl does not, dreamhack does not, but why does blizzard support events? because they get paid for it by fees and exposure (potential profit). making money from ads is no joke. its actually what drives everything. Well, 99% of the people who comes to TL and watch a stream have already bought the game. GSL, MLG and so on makes money off of showing SC2, so of course Blizzard get some money from that. But the majority of their income is from selling games, so when pros ("rolemodels") is showing account sharing on a stream should they not react? how did it go from "blizzard isn't making money from you watching esport" to "account sharing on stream, should they not react?" its a different subject but i'll bite. its their rule and they should enforce it. is it a good rule? i guess that depends on the perspective. TLO/HUK mess up? sure, they broke the ToS but i've driven 10mph over the speed limit before(if not more). And if you made a video of you breaking the law like it was ok or cool to do it (huk is a rolemodel in the community) and had it shown on TV you would be surprised if the authorities reacted?
people do it all the time on youtube if you havnt noticed. see, going 5mph or 10mph over the speed limit is like account sharing while if you do double the speed limit while weaving through traffic, its like map hacking.
see the difference?
its just bad pr from blizz. we should move on.
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On June 25 2011 09:28 Kezzer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:20 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Xevious wrote:
No offense but this is really damn sad. Do they even fucking know that these people and so many others dedicate their lives to their video game? Dedicate life or making money by playing a game. Who owes who? I would say the progamers owe Blizzard. Players like Huk are not selling SC2 copies and making money for Blizzard, everyone who follows the pro scene have already bought the game.Blizzard make the same amount of money from the casual gamer that played the campaign once and played two ladder games before moving on to a new game as oppose to the die hard fan or progamer who uses several hours a day on the game. This statement couldn't be further from the truth. Many of my friends have watched the pros and stayed active in the scene but didn't even have the game. It was only after months of watching that they decided to get it for themselves.
This, I watched Broodwar for 4-5 years before buying the game.
MLG and other big tournaments like Dreamhack, bring in players to the game, since people go there for another game, like Halo, or Quake, or WoW etc.. and then end up watching some SC2 while they are there. They may have even seen Huk or TLO play. They may have even seen Huk build a mothership, and thought, I want to be like him.
If you bet me on the over/under on 10 people for Huk bringing players to actually buy the game I would bet Over.
Also, I wonder how many accounts Huk has purchased. I've purchased 3 SC2s now, I'd be quite upset if I had gotten a warning for playing a match on my friends account like Huk did. It's not like these guys are cheating their rating or something.
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On June 25 2011 10:08 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 10:04 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 10:02 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:57 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:51 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:47 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:46 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:27 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:20 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Casablancas wrote:
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So they made SC2 to piss off the BW community?
thats actually not that far off from the truth ^_^ On June 25 2011 09:20 Casablancas wrote:
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Dedicate life or making money by playing a game. Who owes who? I would say the progamers owe Blizzard. Players like Huk are not selling SC2 copies and making money for Blizzard, everyone who follows the pro scene have already bought the game.
Blizzard make the same amount of money from the casual gamer that played the campaign once and played two ladder games before moving on to a new game as oppose to the die hard fan or progamer who uses several hours a day on the game. most pros have 2+ accounts. even the hardcore have 2+ accounts. i guess basketball players owe spalding their career. They own the inventor of Basketball their Career? Besides, pros in other sports have paid for their equipment. When you make money from playing tournaments all over the world I dont see a problem with you having to pay for an extra account. statement 1 was sarcasm, following your logic of "pros owe blizzard". second statement, tangable item and digital item are two different things. there is only 1 logical reason, or the most important reason why it is region locked is money (individual metagame shift isn't their #1 priority). On June 25 2011 09:28 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:26 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:24 Casablancas wrote:
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Payers? Since you bought the game, probably a year a go, have you paid anything to Blizzard?
Blizzard isnt making money off of you watching Esport. there's a thing called licencing fee from broadcasters. kespa vs blizzard? I have watched every major tournament in SC2 and havent paid anything. you can say the same for NBA, NFL, Olympics, even youtube for that matter, applies to almost every event you're watching. but oh my, i didnt pay a single dime! that isn't how they make money. No, they make money by selling games (And subscription to games) no, i was actually going by ads. blizzard makes money by selling games...yes, tahts what they do. gom does not, nasl does not, dreamhack does not, but why does blizzard support events? because they get paid for it by fees and exposure (potential profit). making money from ads is no joke. its actually what drives everything. Well, 99% of the people who comes to TL and watch a stream have already bought the game. GSL, MLG and so on makes money off of showing SC2, so of course Blizzard get some money from that. But the majority of their income is from selling games, so when pros ("rolemodels") is showing account sharing on a stream should they not react? how did it go from "blizzard isn't making money from you watching esport" to "account sharing on stream, should they not react?" its a different subject but i'll bite. its their rule and they should enforce it. is it a good rule? i guess that depends on the perspective. TLO/HUK mess up? sure, they broke the ToS but i've driven 10mph over the speed limit before(if not more). And if you made a video of you breaking the law like it was ok or cool to do it (huk is a rolemodel in the community) and had it shown on TV you would be surprised if the authorities reacted? people do it all the time on youtube if you havnt noticed. see, going 5mph or 10mph over the speed limit is like account sharing while if you do double the speed limit while weaving through traffic, its like map hacking. see the difference? michael phelps comes to mind. i feel sorry for that kid. is it his fault? no, his a kid being a kid and its the fucking friend who took the pic and sold him out that should be punished.
So because some people break the law/rules and doesnt get punished, no one should?
And TakeTV should be punished for selling out TLO and Huk?
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On June 25 2011 10:10 BlueBird. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:28 Kezzer wrote:On June 25 2011 09:20 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Xevious wrote:
No offense but this is really damn sad. Do they even fucking know that these people and so many others dedicate their lives to their video game? Dedicate life or making money by playing a game. Who owes who? I would say the progamers owe Blizzard. Players like Huk are not selling SC2 copies and making money for Blizzard, everyone who follows the pro scene have already bought the game.Blizzard make the same amount of money from the casual gamer that played the campaign once and played two ladder games before moving on to a new game as oppose to the die hard fan or progamer who uses several hours a day on the game. This statement couldn't be further from the truth. Many of my friends have watched the pros and stayed active in the scene but didn't even have the game. It was only after months of watching that they decided to get it for themselves. This, I watched Broodwar for 4-5 years before buying the game. MLG and other big tournaments like Dreamhack, bring in players to the game, since people go there for another game, like Halo, or Quake, or WoW etc.. and then end up watching some SC2 while they are there. They may have even seen Huk or TLO play. They may have even seen Huk build a mothership, and thought, I want to be like him. If you bet me on the over/under on 10 people for Huk bringing players to actually buy the game I would bet Over. Also, I wonder how many accounts Huk has purchased. I've purchased 3 SC2s now, I'd be quite upset if I had gotten a warning for playing a match on my friends account like Huk did. It's not like these guys are cheating their rating or something.
TLO's rating is getting cheated?
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On June 25 2011 10:11 Casablancas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 10:08 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 10:04 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 10:02 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:57 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:51 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:47 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:46 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:27 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:20 jinorazi wrote:
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thats actually not that far off from the truth ^_^
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most pros have 2+ accounts. even the hardcore have 2+ accounts.
i guess basketball players owe spalding their career. They own the inventor of Basketball their Career? Besides, pros in other sports have paid for their equipment. When you make money from playing tournaments all over the world I dont see a problem with you having to pay for an extra account. statement 1 was sarcasm, following your logic of "pros owe blizzard". second statement, tangable item and digital item are two different things. there is only 1 logical reason, or the most important reason why it is region locked is money (individual metagame shift isn't their #1 priority). On June 25 2011 09:28 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:26 jinorazi wrote:
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there's a thing called licencing fee from broadcasters. kespa vs blizzard? I have watched every major tournament in SC2 and havent paid anything. you can say the same for NBA, NFL, Olympics, even youtube for that matter, applies to almost every event you're watching. but oh my, i didnt pay a single dime! that isn't how they make money. No, they make money by selling games (And subscription to games) no, i was actually going by ads. blizzard makes money by selling games...yes, tahts what they do. gom does not, nasl does not, dreamhack does not, but why does blizzard support events? because they get paid for it by fees and exposure (potential profit). making money from ads is no joke. its actually what drives everything. Well, 99% of the people who comes to TL and watch a stream have already bought the game. GSL, MLG and so on makes money off of showing SC2, so of course Blizzard get some money from that. But the majority of their income is from selling games, so when pros ("rolemodels") is showing account sharing on a stream should they not react? how did it go from "blizzard isn't making money from you watching esport" to "account sharing on stream, should they not react?" its a different subject but i'll bite. its their rule and they should enforce it. is it a good rule? i guess that depends on the perspective. TLO/HUK mess up? sure, they broke the ToS but i've driven 10mph over the speed limit before(if not more). And if you made a video of you breaking the law like it was ok or cool to do it (huk is a rolemodel in the community) and had it shown on TV you would be surprised if the authorities reacted? people do it all the time on youtube if you havnt noticed. see, going 5mph or 10mph over the speed limit is like account sharing while if you do double the speed limit while weaving through traffic, its like map hacking. see the difference? michael phelps comes to mind. i feel sorry for that kid. is it his fault? no, his a kid being a kid and its the fucking friend who took the pic and sold him out that should be punished. So because some people break the law/rules and doesnt get punished, no one should? And TakeTV should be punished for selling out TLO and Huk?
dude i dont know where you're going with this, you're just adding words to my mouth when i'm trying to give you examples for you to better understand the situation.
i'm going to just keep it simple and ignore you, pick someone else to troll.
(my fault for biting in the first place, props to you sir)
edit: clarification. the fuck the friend thing was my personal outburst. my point was michael phelps got too much unneeded attention for doing something many kids do, because he is a "role model".
huk/tlo isn't the only person sharing accounts. its just something bad to enforce by blizzard. it doesn't hurt anyone. ladder integrity? i highly doubt it has any major impact to the system(majority of players, not pros), at least enough to ban people for it.
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On June 25 2011 10:06 Nosforit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 10:04 Leeto wrote:
Well they better ban GSTL too, since the 4 guys who play all use the same team account.. Do they ladder on said account? No. That's the issue.
The ID oGs on NA is in Grandmasters and is played by many people on the team. You have the right idea though.
On June 25 2011 10:10 BlueBird. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:28 Kezzer wrote:On June 25 2011 09:20 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 Xevious wrote:
No offense but this is really damn sad. Do they even fucking know that these people and so many others dedicate their lives to their video game? Dedicate life or making money by playing a game. Who owes who? I would say the progamers owe Blizzard. Players like Huk are not selling SC2 copies and making money for Blizzard, everyone who follows the pro scene have already bought the game.Blizzard make the same amount of money from the casual gamer that played the campaign once and played two ladder games before moving on to a new game as oppose to the die hard fan or progamer who uses several hours a day on the game. This statement couldn't be further from the truth. Many of my friends have watched the pros and stayed active in the scene but didn't even have the game. It was only after months of watching that they decided to get it for themselves. Also, I wonder how many accounts Huk has purchased. I've purchased 3 SC2s now, I'd be quite upset if I had gotten a warning for playing a match on my friends account like Huk did. It's not like these guys are cheating their rating or something.
He's got his own accounts he can play on. He should have used those. The reason blizzard has a problem with him using TLO's ID is because it's GM and they have an upcoming tournament.
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On June 25 2011 10:05 starcraft911 wrote:They don't have the resources to police the account sharing habits of the entire sc2 population, however, they do care about is the success of THIS.TLDR: They want their GM division to have meaning. Playing someone elses ID in GM devalues it.
Yes? And if so they still acting like dumbasses....
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Well, they had to account share for a reason. Because HuK couldn't find a match due to high rating. This seems to be blizz's problem in itself, not HuK's, so seems weird for blizz to crack down hard on him for borrowing friends account. Guess they have to stand behind their policy though.
But really though, what was HuK supposed to do? Would blizz reccomend he buy a new copy just to fix his high rating? Seems like a poor solution, having to buy a new acc just because you're too good for ladder.
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On June 25 2011 10:14 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 10:06 Nosforit wrote:On June 25 2011 10:04 Leeto wrote:
Well they better ban GSTL too, since the 4 guys who play all use the same team account.. Do they ladder on said account? No. That's the issue. The ID oGs on NA is in Grandmasters and is played by many people on the team. You have the right idea though.
Unbelievable move by Blizzard, hope the whole Blizzard team doesn't feel this way, probably just someone looking for a promotion. Completely retarded move on Blizzards part. I'm still waiting for my phone call, I let a friend play a few custom games on my account because he forgot his authenticator..
Someone must have seen Huk or someone logged into TLOs account..."OH SHIT SOMEONE WITH AN ACCOUNT IS USING HIS TEAMMATES BECAUSE THE LADDER SYSTEM IS BROKEN, KNOWS MY CHANCE FOR A PROMOTION"
Obviously they had to know Huk had his own account, I personally think they should just chill out, I don't see what the problem is if Huk uses TLO's account or not.
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On June 25 2011 10:18 marttorn wrote:
Well, they had to account share for a reason. Because HuK couldn't find a problem due to high rating. This seems to be blizz's problem in itself, not HuK's, so seems weird for blizz to crack down hard on him for borrowing friends account. Guess they have to stand behind their policy though.
But really though, what was HuK supposed to do? Would blizz reccomend he buy a new copy just to fix his high rating? Seems like a poor solution, having to buy a new acc just because you're too good for ladder.
exactly!
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Oddly enough while seeing HuK using TLO I wondered if Blizzard liked this. They have always been very serious about account sharing. (I know, no one cares about WoW) They banned many pro WoW players for sharing accounts. They can't seriously ban other people who share accounts and sit here and watch pro players share accounts.
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I'm actually shocked ... and impressed.
It means Blizzard actually is taking their Grandmaster Ladder seriously.
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On June 25 2011 09:46 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:27 StarStruck wrote:On June 25 2011 09:26 jinorazi wrote:On June 25 2011 09:24 Casablancas wrote:On June 25 2011 09:14 The Void wrote:
i really, really would love to see them apologize, just this time.
just say "sorry"!
[edit]: WE are making this thing happen. WE the fans and audition. WE the payers. WE the producers. WE dont want to be treat this way. Payers? Since you bought the game, probably a year a go, have you paid anything to Blizzard? Blizzard isnt making money off of you watching Esport. there's a thing called licencing fee from broadcasters. kespa vs blizzard? That is pocket change to them. ;/ It's significant otherwise they wouldn't have circle jerked them in court.
Why did you repeat the exact same thing when I already made my rebuttal to the same remark on the last page?
You posted the same reply twice.
So, I'll repeat:
On June 25 2011 09:42 StarStruck wrote:
The only significance of the court case was Blizzard tightening the noose on their IP rights.
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On June 25 2011 10:18 The Void wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 10:05 starcraft911 wrote:They don't have the resources to police the account sharing habits of the entire sc2 population, however, they do care about is the success of THIS.TLDR: They want their GM division to have meaning. Playing someone elses ID in GM devalues it. Yes? And if so they still acting like dumbasses....
Protecting the integrity of their premier once a year tournament is acting like dumbasses? That makes no sense.
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On June 25 2011 10:22 ImHuko wrote:
Oddly enough while seeing HuK using TLO I wondered if Blizzard liked this. They have always been very serious about account sharing. (I know, no one cares about WoW) They banned many pro WoW players for sharing accounts. They can't seriously ban other people who share accounts and sit here and watch pro players share accounts.
what do you consider "account sharing"? if you offer your account for 1$ a day or something, i would say that is it not correct. but if i cannot play and instead let my friend play.... nobody ever could say something against it.
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x10 Big Brother Blizzard
-$60 LiquidHuk
Well thanks for revealing you care about some bullshit in this community. BM Blizzard ftl...
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This is hilarious. Not so much that HuK/TLO got warned, more the white knighting, "fuck da police" attitude of the TL forum-goers. Yeah fuck blizzard. You should let people off because they're famous! I take it every single one of you people who disagree with this decision would also like famous people to be let off speeding fines and parking tickets because they were in a film you liked?
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On June 25 2011 10:28 The Void wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 10:22 ImHuko wrote:
Oddly enough while seeing HuK using TLO I wondered if Blizzard liked this. They have always been very serious about account sharing. (I know, no one cares about WoW) They banned many pro WoW players for sharing accounts. They can't seriously ban other people who share accounts and sit here and watch pro players share accounts. what do you consider "account sharing"? if you offer your account for 1$ a day or something, i would say that is it not correct. but if i cannot play and instead let my friend play.... nobody ever could say something against it.
They wouldn't care about this incident at all if Huk had not streamed it. I don't even know why people are arguing about tangential stuff - the action in question is when Huk played on TLO's account during a tourney match.
1) It was a custom game (so he had no reason to not use his account)
2) It was after being warned by Take about Blizzard's call (I assume, unless Take didn't bother warning Huk, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt)
3) It was streamed, which is what Blizzard didn't want.
This entire incident exists solely because Huk didn't want to press backspace a few times at the login to put in his name instead of TLO's.
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