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On June 25 2011 10:35 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 10:28 The Void wrote:On June 25 2011 10:22 ImHuko wrote:
Oddly enough while seeing HuK using TLO I wondered if Blizzard liked this. They have always been very serious about account sharing. (I know, no one cares about WoW) They banned many pro WoW players for sharing accounts. They can't seriously ban other people who share accounts and sit here and watch pro players share accounts. what do you consider "account sharing"? if you offer your account for 1$ a day or something, i would say that is it not correct. but if i cannot play and instead let my friend play.... nobody ever could say something against it. They wouldn't care about this incident at all if Huk had not streamed it. I don't even know why people are arguing about tangential stuff - the action in question is when Huk played on TLO's account during a tourney match. 1) It was a custom game (so he had no reason to not use his account) 2) It was after being warned by Take about Blizzard's call (I assume, unless Take didn't bother warning Huk, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt) 3) It was streamed, which is what Blizzard didn't want. This entire incident exists solely because Huk didn't want to press backspace a few times at the login to put in his name instead of TLO's.
That doesn't make any sense. Did they warn him twice? Why are you talking about custom games if that was after huk was warned?
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i find it funny that huk and tlo get cracked down on something so harmless when I've seen people ladder other people's accounts for cash on stream, but it's okay. =/
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On June 25 2011 10:35 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 10:28 The Void wrote:On June 25 2011 10:22 ImHuko wrote:
Oddly enough while seeing HuK using TLO I wondered if Blizzard liked this. They have always been very serious about account sharing. (I know, no one cares about WoW) They banned many pro WoW players for sharing accounts. They can't seriously ban other people who share accounts and sit here and watch pro players share accounts. what do you consider "account sharing"? if you offer your account for 1$ a day or something, i would say that is it not correct. but if i cannot play and instead let my friend play.... nobody ever could say something against it. They wouldn't care about this incident at all if Huk had not streamed it. I don't even know why people are arguing about tangential stuff - the action in question is when Huk played on TLO's account 1) during a custom game (so he had no reason to not use his account) 2) after being warned by Take about Blizzard's call (I assume, unless Take didn't bother warning Huk, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt) This entire incident exists solely because Huk didn't want to press backspace a few times at the login to put in his name instead of TLO's.
Huk's been laddering on TLO's id in order to keep him from falling out of GM. It's pretty common knowledge to people who watch his stream. He didn't try to hide it, but if it were only custom games blizzard wouldn't have cared.
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On June 25 2011 03:20 chickenhawk wrote:
TOS in europe = illegal
Any contract you sign after you have bought something in europe is illegal! No one show me the TOS when i bought it, they only show me when i tryed to play the game. THEREFORE it is ILLEGAL.
People keep repeating this, but it's false.
The EC's stance on shrink-wrap licenses is that they are binding as long as the customer can get a full refund if they decline the terms of the license, and once you click "agree" in the little window, that option goes away. The law in the U.S. is similar, though less certain because there have been various cases that have drawn different lines about how binding these agreements are.
Also, the legality of these specific terms of the license is irrelevant unless someone's going to sue Blizzard for shutting down their account. Good luck with that happening -- it won't, because buying a new account is cheaper than suing Blizzard.
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I do not understand. Do people have a problem with the EULA? Are they mad the Huk and TLO got special treatment and just not temp banned for account sharing?
No one forces you to sign the EULA after you install/patch the game. Warden and Blizzard are not very diligent about enforcing account sharing policy but they do, and have enforced the maximum penalty before.
At the very least do not do it in front of tens of thousands of people.
I think Blizzard handled it well, in a private matter, and very well meaning. If blizzard wanted to make some stupid public message they would have made a post and banned the account.
I think this boils down to a bunch of kids wanting to act like rebels because "the man" is bad right?
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I lol'd at this.
There are literally thousands of other people who are account sharing and Blizzard decides to pick on these two.
And seriously? A phone call?
I find that kind kind of invasive. They should have just received a standard email like everyone else, not some asshole deciding to harass Professional Gamers who have much better things to do. They can't do a damn thing about account sharing so they decide to "try and set an example" by tracking down HuK and TLO. Pathetic.
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i cant believe there is even the slightest bit of controversy.. everyone agreed to blizzards rules in the ToS, so you have no real right to come onto the forums and complain about what you agreed to
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I find it strange that this is the first time Blizzard does something about this when its clearly not the first time this happens. FXO streams and ladders on a shared account since theyre in korea, Sen plays on softball which is not his account.
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Doesn't FXO have multiple people using a single account in Korea right now??
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They didnt make lan cause they need to make it all online,to prevent piarates.But that's fucking killing the game.
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Here i was thinking Blizz never follow any tournaments but oh a phonecall like " Ahem this is blizzard"
Dont know how blizz will try to fix Huk situation he waits hours for games understand why him and TLO did this
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On June 25 2011 10:46 Gamegene wrote:
And seriously? A phone call?
I find that kind kind of invasive. They should have just received a standard email like everyone else, not some asshole deciding to harass Professional Gamers who have much better things to do. They can't do a damn thing about account sharing so they decide to "try and set an example" by tracking down HuK and TLO. Pathetic.
This is the part that bugs me too. A phone call? If this happened to me I would of lost my temper and would've told the guy to go shove his account sharing rules up where the sun doesn't shine. How absurd all of this is. Blizzard has bigger problems then worrying about account sharing. Totally dumbfounded.
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Honestly if they wanted to do something they should have done it a long time ago.
Almost all of the major SC2 teams have shared accounts on foreign (to their home country) servers that are used by several teammates.
And really how much revenue is lost from these Professionally shared accounts?
1000 Dollars at most?
The teams using these shared accounts (and the entire Pro-Scene in general) are probably responsible for a huge part of Blizzard's revenue. Way more than the revenue gained by a handful off accounts.
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I hate technical fine print stuff like this. Of all the people to go after, they pick probably the least malicious of account sharers. I love Starcraft as a game but man do I hate the bureaucratic suits behind some of this nonsense.
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I think it's interesting that in the (international) Team Liquid forums, around 30-40% of the people defend Blizzard because account sharing is against the ToS/EULA, while in the original german article it's only around 5-10% of the people, and the commenters (me included) seem much more angry at blizzard for asking people to follow their rules, even when the rules are obviously stupid.
Is there an sc2-playing ethnologist on teamliquid who can explain this? 
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On June 25 2011 11:01 Lava wrote:I think it's interesting that in the (international) Team Liquid forums, around 30-40% of the people defend Blizzard because account sharing is against the ToS/EULA, while in the original german article it's only around 5-10% of the people, and the commenters (me included) seem much more angry at blizzard for asking people to follow their rules, even when the rules are obviously stupid. Is there an sc2-playing ethnologist on teamliquid who can explain this?
haha i wondered the same. all bw players hate the new blizz. why take away what we already had and was very happy with 
i just wish they'd say, "for more money" straight up instead of busting our balls with bullshit like piracy and separated metagame shift...lol
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I dont agree with this, but you have to look at it logically.
1. shared accounts, which was fine by itself, but then they STREAMED it.
2. this sends out a message to everyone "hey guys its ok to share accounts" which isnt a MASSIVE deal, but its something that blizzard doesnt want.
3. Blizzard gave them a phone call which is trying to be polite and sincere in my opinion, although it depends - was it some shitty idian telemarketer reading from a script? or an actually guy higher-up ringing them personally. as for the privacy issue, well it depends on how they got the phone number really.....
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so um... every GSTL team shares 1 acc
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It seems to me the main problem here is someone laddering on someone else's account, to keep that person in the GM league... I can't believe so many people don't see anything wrong with this..
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On June 25 2011 10:35 NikonTC wrote:
This is hilarious. Not so much that HuK/TLO got warned, more the white knighting, "fuck da police" attitude of the TL forum-goers. Yeah fuck blizzard. You should let people off because they're famous! I take it every single one of you people who disagree with this decision would also like famous people to be let off speeding fines and parking tickets because they were in a film you liked?
I understand that people are abit confused over something like that.
I understand what you guys are saying, if i am at my private little home and i decide to let my friend play, i would be quite pissed if i received a call from blizzard saying i cant let my friend play, that i can understand.
Now they both have they own copy of the game, proly even 3 copies each, they decide to share, i personaly dont see a problem with that, I would expect a progamer to own the game hes playing?
The account sharing rule should never apply to LAN events, those events are made to showcase the skills of each player and not how they got the game, If i can physicaly reach a computer that owns a starcraft copy, and its user allow me to do so... really blizzard would stand between that?
If a 2 young kids live together and theyr mom gets only 1 copy of the game.. only 1 of them should play... what??
Brotoss 1; Its your turn to use the computer! but blizzard doesnt want you to use my starcraft...
Brotoss 2; *Cry*
(in wow even they could create another name *character* and share with no problem)
I can understand if they trace an account and its showing Ips from montreal,ontario,toronto and ottawa in the last 24 hours, now thats wrong! those guys are abusing, ban them and go get more money for ESPORTS, I totaly agree 300%..
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