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On June 25 2011 03:00 Bleak wrote: If it's against their rules, it's against it. It's their game, their property, and they have every right to put in rules about account usage. Except they don't. ToS and EULA doesn't mean anything in EU.
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On June 25 2011 02:49 Hoon wrote: I don't know why people are hating so much on Blizzard. Account sharing in any way is not allowed according to the ToS and EULA. Everyone that read the thread about 'piracy kills LAN' understands why Blizz don't want to add LAN to SC2. Letting people share accounts also makes them lose some money, especially when a pro-player is doing it on a stream, which 'encourages' other players to do so as well. Blizard just wants to defend their money, and their action didn't affect anyone at all, it was just a warning to not encourage people to share accounts. Well account sharing is probably as close to a non issue you can get from Blizzards point of view but bad PR is bad PR. But not like it will get tons of publicity or be extremely bad PR anyway unless they actually terminate TLO's account or something.
Like I wrote in the other post, if the rumors are true it's probably just a somewhat bad community manager and not some "Blizzard headquarters community relationships team" thing.
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On June 25 2011 02:55 Tenz wrote: Hope they (Blizzard) read this and apologize. Because I'm gravely offended by this filth.
They want Huk to buy a copy for each region so he can compete? NA, SEA, KR, EU, China, Russia etc etc.
Will wait for the apology to be posted by blizz.
Nope, I think Huk already has accounts in at least NA, KR, and EU already, so they must be asking him to buy a new copy of starcraft whenever his MMR gets too high to play on the ladder.
Come on Blizzard, if you have time to personally make calls over something like this, give us the clan tag/feature, replay sharing, and fix the ladder so that Huk can actually ladder on his own account.
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plain ridiculous. not more to say about it really. gz blizzard for getting more hate and laughs with this little stunt.
on the other side i find it hilarious that a higher tier blizzard guy watches takes stream and then actually calls him just to say that huk cant play a handful games on darios acc.
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p.s. fix ladder/customgame system/gateway selection etc and people wont have to "cheat" the system to use the oh so great bnet for simple tasks.
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This is starting to look like the bnet forums... Blizzard has a tournament coming up where ladder rank is important. They're trying to protect the integrity of said tournament. That's all. This has nothing to do with LAN support, nothing to do with money.
Nazgul and others have brought up an issue that perhaps Blizzard needs to address with the MMR rating making it hard to find games. But a custom game would have served the same purpose of helping HuK to warm up imho...
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On June 25 2011 02:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 02:55 ishboh wrote: i think team liquid should be able to afford an account for each of their players on each server...its a one-time cost.
it isn't really excusable that Huk play on TLO's account. I agree with blizzard because they are a business and having people openly 'cheating the system' on a streamed event is unacceptable. although i think that blizzard should probably let this one go assuming that Huk gets his own EU account soon. I can see why they wouldn't want to delay playing to obtain an account for Huk during the homestory cup... Just for clarification Huk has his own account on EU but the MMR is too high to find games. hmm, i didn't even know that was possible.
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On June 25 2011 02:59 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +People need to chill. Why are everyone so quick to rage over small things? And why do people equate battle.net features or lack of LAN with a community manager asking people to follow the rules? Small things? Its exactly because of sub-par battle.net features that people share accounts, and blizzard decided to target TLO and HuK, in what seems like a PR stunt. And this sucks, too. What if blizzard DID ban TLO's eu account? TLO would buy another, blizzard would make 60 more dollars, and some implicit rule would be made to not stream account sharing; even though Blizzard probably wont mass ban average players who share accounts. Players will rage at blizzard, but they don't really have to change anything.
I agree with the MMR thing, but people bring up LAN, chat channels and a bunch of stuff that has nothing to to with what the community manager did today. People on these forums are very quick to bring up unrelated complains as soon as they see a window for some Blizzard whine.
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account sharing has been done about 1 million times, good that blizzard randomly choses an instance to point it out that it s wrong
The moderation of Blizzard is a bit below awful
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If I had to guess they dislike it because they use ladder to determine Blizzcon invites, and they'd rather not have the rankings skewed.
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They can start enforcing their shit when they fix battle.net 0.2
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There are a million problems that are ignored at disrespect to fans and customers when Blizzard does this. The regionalization is still too extreme. Too few accounts. Bad latency connecting from outside your region. No LAN, no LAN latency options online, no clan system. Public match history (motivates account sharing also). They shouldn't be surprised that people aren't falling for the huge price tags associated with maintaining accounts in multiple regions, and they shouldn't treat their customers like children in the process. It doesn't matter what's in the ToS, as bullshit licenses hold up almost nowhere.
In BW it was also impossible to preserve Blizzard realms' ladder integrity. They became irrelevant pretty fast. They just aren't suited for what Blizzard wants to use them for. Important events can always use massive elim brackets (or, what should have been adopted long ago, the swiss system more often). Ladder shouldn't matter. Keeping it out of the hands of 3rd parties I think only ensures it's good for almost nothing.
On June 25 2011 03:03 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 02:59 Tyrant0 wrote:People need to chill. Why are everyone so quick to rage over small things? And why do people equate battle.net features or lack of LAN with a community manager asking people to follow the rules? Small things? Its exactly because of sub-par battle.net features that people share accounts, and blizzard decided to target TLO and HuK, in what seems like a PR stunt. And this sucks, too. What if blizzard DID ban TLO's eu account? TLO would buy another, blizzard would make 60 more dollars, and some implicit rule would be made to not stream account sharing; even though Blizzard probably wont mass ban average players who share accounts. Players will rage at blizzard, but they don't really have to change anything. I agree with the MMR thing, but people bring up LAN, chat channels and a bunch of stuff that has nothing to to with what the community manager did today. People on these forums are very quick to bring up unrelated complains as soon as they see a window for some Blizzard whine. This is because an attitude of blame the customer while sucking up his money rather than making changes to your product... it's mind-boggling.
On June 25 2011 03:06 vrok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 03:03 Calm wrote: This is starting to look like the bnet forums... Blizzard has a tournament coming up where ladder rank is important. They're trying to protect the integrity of said tournament. That's all. This has nothing to do with LAN support, nothing to do with money. Which is ridiculous in itself because everyone knows ladder rank is completely arbitrary bullshit. Indeed, the ladder just shouldn't be used for that. It'd be like trying to hold a drag race on the highway and blaming a normal driver when an accident happened because he was driving his friend's car.
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On June 25 2011 03:03 Calm wrote: This is starting to look like the bnet forums... Blizzard has a tournament coming up where ladder rank is important. They're trying to protect the integrity of said tournament. That's all. This has nothing to do with LAN support, nothing to do with money. Which is ridiculous in itself because everyone knows ladder rank is completely arbitrary bullshit.
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Honestly...it's things like this that make me have "terrible terrible" flashbacks to the BW IP rights crisis...
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Huk and TLO have payed for multiple accounts from Blizzard. This is really outrageous to try and tell them what they can and cant do with there accounts. Back off Blizzard they are promoting your game you should be handing them accounts to use you fools.
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What are Huks accounts anyway? Cant see him in EU and NA GM ladder, so its just his MMR thats skyhigh?
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If it's against their rules, it's against it. It's their game, their property, and they have every right to put in rules about account usage.
Guess what, WE are paying costummers, WE have need to have a say in this things. Just because it is 'there' game, does not mean they should have the right to do whatever.
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This really seems dumb on Blizzard's part. So many issues to address on their end and they choose this route. This makes no sense.
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If Blizzard fixed the matchmaker there would be no problem, but instead they put the blame on HUK. They want him to buy a new account because Blizzards system is messed up. Sounds like Blizzard to me.
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Well I sure feel bad now. I may be the reason Blizzard became aware of this.
I was amongst the 3000+ viewers on Huk's stream a few days ago when he couldn't find a 1v1 match for over 30 minutes (was probably more net time spent searching, and a lot more time in total since he stopped the queue for brief moments in between). Like the other viewers, I wanted to see Huk play and it was obvious there is a bug with the system that prevented Huk from getting matched. Thinking I was doing the right thing by informing Blizzard of a bug in their system, and because I wanted to see Huk able to get a match, I made a post about it on the European Blizzard support forum. It can be found here. In my post I state a likely reason (in my eyes) for this bug (that Huk has GM level MMR, but has yet to play his placement match on Europe for season 2) in that thread.
The first of the 2 blue posts basically says 'other GMs can get matched, so system is working fine' and then the blue takes special interest in the fact that Huk switched to the American sc2 battle net. The second response is simply 'we require Huk to contact us to further investigate this issue (of not getting matched)'.
Apparently, the only thing that Blizzard took from my post is that Huk has played on someone else's account (which I wasn't aware of, and obviously I did not say in my post). I am deeply saddened and disappointed with Blizzard that this is the approach they decided to take on this issue.
Lastly, I apologize personally to LiquidHuk and TLO for any troubles which they may have received as a consequence of my actions.
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HuK has clearly risen to SC2 levels so high that the ladder cannot contain his might
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