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On June 23 2011 06:23 Ohmboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 06:19 fadestep wrote:
Destiny decided he didn't want to be part of a crumbling, derelict organization with poor management and he made you guys drop him. Wow, I suppose this is when the blind coL hate starts to come into the thread. Destiny represented coL poorly before he decided to leave, that's what happened. He may have reasons or explanations for his behavior while under contract, but they aren't good reasons or explanations, and he has even stated this in above posts.
Looking back on it, I dont think destiny was trying to earn coL bad rep, it seems more like he was just trying to break a contract. I say this because it seemed like he was trying really hard to not represent coL (i.e changing in game name,changing TL name, being addressed as coL Destiny by interviewers).
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On June 23 2011 06:20 Omnipresent wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 06:14 Gheed wrote:
I watch destiny's stream a lot, and nothing gets said there that any gamer doesn't say/hear a thousand times a day. I don't know what kind of sponsor would exist that would simultaneously sponsor a gaming team and have a problem with destiny. Are you serious? I'm really not sensitive about language, and Destiny says all kinds of things that make me cringe. I can't imagine a sponsor that wouldn't have a problem with some of the things he says and the way he says them (unless the sponsor was really trying to be edgy).
Cringe? Have you ever been on the internet? Or Xbox live? Or outside?
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It's funny that so many people think Destiny is super unprofessional. Have you ever seen or read his interviews? Destiny is very professional. The only reason I see people thinking he isn't professional is because of his language on his stream, the language he uses when talking to friends. I think it would have been great if he was able to stick with coL, but he'll find a team somewhere. His results may not be the best, but he has a huge following and is a big name in the community. He'll find a spot because he'll bring that team so much more publicity.
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On June 23 2011 06:22 Sans_Serif wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 06:07 SixPackAbs wrote:
Hope you can find a team that goes along with your style, destiny.
User was warned for this post I don't understand the reason for warning a individual over post that contains such positive well wishing.
This statement was different from what it was before if you go to "All" in this topic and search for the original post, then look at the quotes of it underneath.
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Hmm, after doing some heavy internetz digging, it seems that Col, may or may not have hired an indiv named jason or Deezer or some name to interfere with Destinies stream so he couldnt respond to contract negotiations in time........ hmmmm
 Go Team BURNSICK
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" (...)executed a legally binding contract with our organization. (...) He refused to honor any of the terms in the contract. "
Sounds like a fair reason to release him imo.
Even though I'm not really a fan of Destiny, I wish him the best. Hopefully he'll find a team soon
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Well he did what was best for the team and for himself, hope this doesn't cause any drama.
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On June 23 2011 06:16 Zeroes wrote:
Destiny is really manner to other people and only bms those who deserve it or those knows. While all I see cruncher do is bm, stream cheat amoung other things.
You obviously don't watch cruncher's stream. I hate how he is completely misunderstood just because of his show-matches with Idra. I swear people think they KNOW Cruncher just because of the BM against Idra. Go watch his interviews and other matches before you judge him.
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In the span of two weeks, coL went form being almost completely off my radar, to my favorite team, to my least favorite team.
Best of luck to Steven though! I'd start my own fucking team for you bro, but I'm just a kid who just finished high school and is on his way to art school. Don't think that I would be of much help :/
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I don't think that this event SHOULD have that much of a negative effect on Destiny's image. His presence in the North American SC2 scene has shown that he is indeed an intelligent individual who doesn't make decision haphazardly. Clearly there was a conflict of interests with his public image. Steven at the time of the initial signing felt that it was a necessity to sign the contract for the sake of his team and career before understanding that he could act as his teammates, Kiwikaki and Slush, did by deciding to not join.
My personal sentiments regarding this issue was that it was slightly immature on the part of Complexity Gaming to word their announcement as they did if they were aware of the effect it would have on the Starcraft 2 community's view of Destiny's dynamics teams. However, it was Steven's mistake for not looking further into the issue and deciding if he'd join the team before following Catz. This didn't have to be that big of a deal. Don't make it a big deal.
Edit: I also wanted to make a distinction between http://root-gaming.com/news/kitty-no-longer-root and http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2870/# Clearly the latter has more underlying animosity toward the player who was left the team.
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On June 23 2011 06:17 ken- wrote:
Who signs a contract without reading it? Not the smartest guy...
i guarantee you sign at least 10 contracts per week without reading them. when you break the plastic seal on a video/computer game, when you click yes i agree to the terms on some pornsite, whenever you update software, so don't act like everyone reads every contract they make. have you paid for anything with a debit or credit card lately? that's a contract and i bet you didn't read the terms for that (hint: it's more complicated then i will pay for these goods/services). do you know where the binding arbitration takes place between you and blizz if you have a lawsuit regarding SC2?
this gets me to my point, how many pro-gamers actually have a lawyer look at the contracts they're signing? it's patently obvious pro-athletes have agents and managers with lawyers that pour over every detail of the contract, but what about our nerd-athletes? do they take the time to have someone make sure their interests are being taken care of?
what does a standard SC2 pro-gamer contract look like/include?
i have no insider knowledge of the sc2 gaming scene so i can't speculate, but can anyone answer? i'm really curious to know what players are required to do and prohibited from doing. are there any clauses protecting their hands, like they can't basketball for fear of breaking/jamming fingers, or you must practice formally 4 hours/day etc.
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Wish you all the best Destiny. Stay strong. Sounds like a split long time coming that is just being blown way out of proportion.
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I'm really sad to hear that....
Seems like Destiny wanted to keep doing what he was doing, without a lot of interference from coL. ROOT let him do his own thing basically, but coL wasnt.
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Ah, well looks like a lot of us saw this coming. I hope Destiny finds a place on another team soon =)
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On June 23 2011 05:57 KimJongChill wrote:
I saw this kind of thing happening, what with Destiny's non-pc language. The only reason this is a problem is because he is well known, and how highly publicized his language became these past few months. I'm sure plenty of other progamers spew racist, sexist, or homophobic insults, but it's not widely discussed enough for people to care. I suppose Idra is an exception simply because of his playing caliber.
Fortunately, Destiny has relatively improved, meaning that he is slowly performing better compared to the progress of his peers. I hope he takes this chance to seriously engage in practice, rather than Sotis all day :b
Good luck.
Well IdrA doesn't spew racist, sexist, or homophobic insults . . . he just says things to individual people like calling them fucking skilless newbies or doesn't gg.
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People seem to trying to create drama here while there is, in fact, none. It is clearly obvious that Destiny and coL had a difference on opinion on where he and the team wanted to go and they parted on neutral terms with coL distancing from anything Destiny might have said on his stream during the small period he was an 'official' member and Destiny distancing himself from the big team member image.
However, people in their truest fashion are trying to create a mountain of a molehill and making pointless speculations as to what is the 'true' reason behind it despite both sides being clear about their actions.
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this was actually predictable
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On June 23 2011 06:33 thezergk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 05:57 KimJongChill wrote:
I saw this kind of thing happening, what with Destiny's non-pc language. The only reason this is a problem is because he is well known, and how highly publicized his language became these past few months. I'm sure plenty of other progamers spew racist, sexist, or homophobic insults, but it's not widely discussed enough for people to care. I suppose Idra is an exception simply because of his playing caliber.
Fortunately, Destiny has relatively improved, meaning that he is slowly performing better compared to the progress of his peers. I hope he takes this chance to seriously engage in practice, rather than Sotis all day :b
Good luck. Well IdrA doesn't spew racist, sexist, or homophobic insults . . . he just says things to individual people like calling them fucking skilless newbies or doesn't gg.
Yeah, idrA doesn't tell people to go kill themselves or that they're a waste of life.
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On June 23 2011 06:31 GrimReefer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 06:17 ken- wrote:
Who signs a contract without reading it? Not the smartest guy... i guarantee you sign at least 10 contracts per week without reading them. when you break the plastic seal on a video/computer game, when you click yes i agree to the terms on some pornsite, whenever you update software, so don't act like everyone reads every contract they make. have you paid for anything with a debit or credit card lately? that's a contract and i bet you didn't read the terms for that (hint: it's more complicated then i will pay for these goods/services). do you know where the binding arbitration takes place between you and blizz if you have a lawsuit regarding SC2?
Accepting an EULA is not at all the same thing as signing a contract
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I got the vibe from his stream that he had just joined because all of ROOT had, but didn't really want to be on CoL at all. When he was asked by someone what name to call him for a tournament he said ROOTDestiny rather than CoL. Hr had this thing about joining ROOT for ages before he was picked up, there was something about that team he really liked it seems, and it's disappointing it ended for him. I hope he finds another team that he can be happy with, or otherwise is successful on his own. He's done nothing but improve since I first started watching him, and he's managed to monetize and make SC2 a full time job that he can support himself from already putting him in a great position to become a really great player.
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