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ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
June 20 2011 03:26 GMT
#481
I personally am still split on whether or not I will get it. On one hand, its only $25 for what, like 3 months of awesome games from the teamleague. However; my biggest problem with paying that is that as far as I know thats on top of what I'm already paying for the GSL. If you look at the schedule, there making it now 3 gsls in the next 3 months, with the gstl ending around a week earlier. That means that if I want to watch all of the gsl+gstl I will be paying $55 for the next 3 months. That is where my big problem comes in, it goes away from $10 a month, getting close to $20.

Am I confused on the pricing or am I correct. Do they have some sort of bundle to get the regular tournament with it or no? I'm actually struggling with the decision, and any input would be welcome.
I'm a gooner.
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
June 20 2011 08:34 GMT
#482
Ahhh just purchased it, kind of regret now since I promised my parents $10 tops per month...
710+ Posts with a Probe Icon =D
Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
June 20 2011 08:40 GMT
#483
On June 20 2011 17:34 iTzAnglory wrote:
Ahhh just purchased it, kind of regret now since I promised my parents $10 tops per month...


10 week regular season + 3 additional weeks of playoffs = 3 months

Tell them you got $5 off.
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
June 20 2011 08:45 GMT
#484
I won't buy it (after having purchased several GS(T)L tickets in the past); reason isn't the price but the huge span of time this new GSTL covers.

I liked the old four-day model because I could follow the whole thing comfortably on the weekend, cherry-pick the best games to watch from LR threads and be finished with it. There's so much content available currently that it's getting really hard to filter out the interesting stuff, and I can't really bother any more to follow all those leagues spanning weeks or months. It was nice last year when all was new but right now, I just want to see good games and results in a reasonable time frame without having to track progress / groups / standings to know what's happening.

tl;dr: Longer GSTL makes it harder for me to follow; liked older, short GSTL better; won't buy ticket.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 08:57:07
June 20 2011 08:56 GMT
#485
I am definitely buying these tickets. GSTL is amazing, especially when you get up to the 7th set, and everything is on the line.

For those of you who don't know, the new format is as follows:

On June 20 2011 15:55 GOMTV wrote:

The Format

  • GSTL will be broadcasted twice a week on Thursday and Friday
  • 12 teams will be participating. The league will be divided into two groups
  • Groups that play on Thursdays will be in the Jupiter league and groups that play on Fridays will be in the Venus league. *In Korea, Thursday is called the day of Jupiter and Friday is called the day of Venus.
  • The Jupiter League includes: SlayerS, TSL, oGs, MVP, PRIME, F.United
  • The Venus League includes: IM, StarTale, fOu, Zenex, NS, FXOpen e-Sports
  • Each team will play every team of its group once, this process will take 10 weeks.
  • This group stage will be called the “Pennant Race”
  • Once the Pennant Race is over, the top 3 teams from each group will advance to the Play-offs
  • Ranking will be decided using the following factors in order: Number of Wins -> Number of Set Losses -> If two teams have same number of wins and set losses, the winner of the two from the pennant race match will receive a higher ranking -> Number of Warnings Received
  • The Pennant Race will be best Bo7, Play-offs and finals Bo9. “King of the hill”-type format.
  • The Play-offs will be played out as follows:

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if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
June 20 2011 11:51 GMT
#486
Please stop making poll threads without putting proper thought into designing the actual poll. makes me cringe every single time. How can you look at this poll and not have it scream bias in your face? How can you then look at the poll and give it's results any value?

Where is the option for it being a bargain/a steal. And where is the option to blanco vote?

First should be really obvious, I'll explain the second because I think that might be because my country always does that in elections but it's not a global thing, not sure on that though.

Blanco vote is used so that you can register voters, who do put thoughts into picking a result, but then come to the conclusion they can't or they won't. What happens is that when you get people who show up but vote blanco, it means they do care but they say for example, I cannot (I'm not qualified) to make a good decision here or I really don't give a shit what the result is but I do care about the topic.

In addition to that, the results you get are not taken against the total pool of players who vote for one of the solutions, but against the total pool of voters period. I believe this gives a poll the ability to allow for more accuracy, less votes that are deluded or influenced and thus makes it overall more meaningful and useful to pursue.

I want to pick, it's cheap and I'm buying. I can't. Do I now pick other? But then my buddy think it's also cheap but isn't buying it. Does he also pick other? What does other represent now?
Do I want my opinion to fall in this ambiguous basket? Will I make the decision to then not handle the voting this way and choose an option that is the closest, like it's ok and buying it?
Not only is that inaccurate because my real vote loses its value, when a group of people handles their vote in this manner, they don't all do it the same. Their votes get randomly spread over the different options. All those then lose it's value.

In general, when you add other as an option to the poll you are basically saying, I don't care if there are other options that I should include, I'm not gonna bother to give it any thought to think about if the votes contained in other are their own vote and should be included independently.

[] You liked reading this, thought it was very informative and will try to challenge other people in the future to pursue some of the goals explained in the post above.
[] Other

LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
June 20 2011 12:50 GMT
#487
The Super Tournament was just $10, why is the GSTL 2.5 times more expensive than that? I'm skipping this one.
The spice must flow
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
June 20 2011 13:15 GMT
#488
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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
June 20 2011 13:31 GMT
#489
I'd buy it if it wasn't for the price. Not that I think that 25 dolars for three months is a lot(heck, I bought NASL), but for my current situation, I can't really get a paypal to spend 25 dollars on - before I had full access to a relate's paypal.

Soo yeah, no GSTL for me. Not like I actually have time to watch it anyways.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 13:44:38
June 20 2011 13:32 GMT
#490
I now purchased the ticket for the full price (ad-free). So I give it a shot. If I am disappointed, I can pass the next seasons.

I hope for a good story line within a BO7 series, within the group stage and within the playoffs. I hope for all-kills and reverse all-kills. I hope to see some champions fall while other prevail, I hope to see new players rise.

As for now, the main story line is of course the fate of SlayerS. Can the champion well in the group stage?

But I am concerned about the long group phase. I am afraid this will water down the matches. In the old format, every BO7 would eliminate one team. It was so tense. Every mistake could lead to defeat. Every single match won really counted. Now there is more leeway. Bad performance versus one team can be compensated with good performance versus another team.

Also I remember the rise of SlayerS in GSTL February. No-one expected them in the finals. If there is a group stage now and an underdog performs well, he no longer is the underdog in the finals.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
June 20 2011 13:34 GMT
#491
On June 20 2011 22:15 Dattish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:50 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
The Super Tournament was just $10, why is the GSTL 2.5 times more expensive than that? I'm skipping this one.

Because it's 2.5 times longer.
It is 2.5 times as long. not 2.5 times longer.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
June 20 2011 13:58 GMT
#492
I'm willing to pay $40 not to hear catchy commercialized jingles every time I refresh my screen, move between games, or start a game...
Support your esport!
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
June 20 2011 14:08 GMT
#493
On June 17 2011 20:47 TheSilverfox wrote:
Let me get this straight:

  • You will see Jinro and HuK compete together with the oGs team and together with Zenio and MC crush some other teams. I for one would like to see the return of the almighty Jinro!

  • You will see the return of IM in the team league with Losira, MVP and the best player in the world - NesTea

  • You will see a lot ceremonies from the MVP team as well as DongRaeGu

  • You will see Cella a lot with the SlayerS team - and maybe even a BoxeR all-kill!

  • You will see the manner zerg Sheth showing his skill against top Koreans.

  • You will see the rest of the FXO team in their fight against the worlds best players.

  • You will see Thorzain and Naniwa and even possibly the great Swedish protoss SaSe (he's got a Code A spot) against the best players in the world!

  • You can watch GSTL two days a week during the entire summer.


This for the cost of $25 or $40 without ads.

Just take my money GOMTV!

Hehe nice post
You should do PR for GOM!
Personally, I'll definitely be buying the ticket for all of the reasons that you listed. Though I will say that I will be a saaaaad panda if tastosis doesn't cast 90% + of the games :p
get rich or die mining
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Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 14:47:57
June 20 2011 14:45 GMT
#494
On June 20 2011 20:51 legatus legionis wrote:
Please stop making poll threads without putting proper thought into designing the actual poll. makes me cringe every single time. How can you look at this poll and not have it scream bias in your face? How can you then look at the poll and give it's results any value?

Where is the option for it being a bargain/a steal. And where is the option to blanco vote?

First should be really obvious, I'll explain the second because I think that might be because my country always does that in elections but it's not a global thing, not sure on that though.

Blanco vote is used so that you can register voters, who do put thoughts into picking a result, but then come to the conclusion they can't or they won't. What happens is that when you get people who show up but vote blanco, it means they do care but they say for example, I cannot (I'm not qualified) to make a good decision here or I really don't give a shit what the result is but I do care about the topic.

In addition to that, the results you get are not taken against the total pool of players who vote for one of the solutions, but against the total pool of voters period. I believe this gives a poll the ability to allow for more accuracy, less votes that are deluded or influenced and thus makes it overall more meaningful and useful to pursue.

I want to pick, it's cheap and I'm buying. I can't. Do I now pick other? But then my buddy think it's also cheap but isn't buying it. Does he also pick other? What does other represent now?
Do I want my opinion to fall in this ambiguous basket? Will I make the decision to then not handle the voting this way and choose an option that is the closest, like it's ok and buying it?
Not only is that inaccurate because my real vote loses its value, when a group of people handles their vote in this manner, they don't all do it the same. Their votes get randomly spread over the different options. All those then lose it's value.

In general, when you add other as an option to the poll you are basically saying, I don't care if there are other options that I should include, I'm not gonna bother to give it any thought to think about if the votes contained in other are their own vote and should be included independently.

[] You liked reading this, thought it was very informative and will try to challenge other people in the future to pursue some of the goals explained in the post above.
[] Other



Do your own fucking poll then.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
June 20 2011 14:49 GMT
#495
I love the people who reply with "It's too expensive, but I'll still get it". Really?
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
June 20 2011 15:23 GMT
#496
On June 20 2011 23:45 Soleron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 20:51 legatus legionis wrote:
Please stop making poll threads without putting proper thought into designing the actual poll. makes me cringe every single time. How can you look at this poll and not have it scream bias in your face? How can you then look at the poll and give it's results any value?

Where is the option for it being a bargain/a steal. And where is the option to blanco vote?

First should be really obvious, I'll explain the second because I think that might be because my country always does that in elections but it's not a global thing, not sure on that though.

Blanco vote is used so that you can register voters, who do put thoughts into picking a result, but then come to the conclusion they can't or they won't. What happens is that when you get people who show up but vote blanco, it means they do care but they say for example, I cannot (I'm not qualified) to make a good decision here or I really don't give a shit what the result is but I do care about the topic.

In addition to that, the results you get are not taken against the total pool of players who vote for one of the solutions, but against the total pool of voters period. I believe this gives a poll the ability to allow for more accuracy, less votes that are deluded or influenced and thus makes it overall more meaningful and useful to pursue.

I want to pick, it's cheap and I'm buying. I can't. Do I now pick other? But then my buddy think it's also cheap but isn't buying it. Does he also pick other? What does other represent now?
Do I want my opinion to fall in this ambiguous basket? Will I make the decision to then not handle the voting this way and choose an option that is the closest, like it's ok and buying it?
Not only is that inaccurate because my real vote loses its value, when a group of people handles their vote in this manner, they don't all do it the same. Their votes get randomly spread over the different options. All those then lose it's value.

In general, when you add other as an option to the poll you are basically saying, I don't care if there are other options that I should include, I'm not gonna bother to give it any thought to think about if the votes contained in other are their own vote and should be included independently.

[] You liked reading this, thought it was very informative and will try to challenge other people in the future to pursue some of the goals explained in the post above.
[] Other


I added the poll much later at someone's request. The intention of the thread wasn't to be a 500 page whine fest but instead pointing out how expensive the GSTL could be considered relative to before. I'll say that again. RELATIVE TO BEFORE.

Notice how the poll options cover the majority of those who answered. If people had a problem they should answer Other and do a post like yours explaining how they feel.

Cheap = about right. The GSTL price has not gone down, so RELATIVE TO BEFORE it is either about the same or more expensive as a feeling when buying. The poll is to see whether people agree it feels expensive.

I could have ten million poll options and not cover the range of feeling. The ones I did choose seem adequate for most but your complaint is valid and if you care that much you should make a new thread.


Doesn't really matter why or when something is created when we are talking about what that something is or should be.

I explained why that could be with two different points, not having the blanco vote and missing options. On that second point, I don't agree with that mentality, it shouldn't be something to strive for atleast, you are saying pretty much the exact same there as I did with my last point regarding shoving the option "other" in there and then just not caring.

I don't think cheap = about right. Not only is about right not a measurement because it's objective (sort of right, decently ok) but just because it actually is cheap doesn't mean that although that is arguably "ok", it suddenly isn't cheap anymore. It's still cheap, people are gonna feel it's cheap, and I think those people should have the option to express that feeling. Just like those who feel it is not cheap, can express their feeling that it is not cheap. As opposed to having. Expensive = about right etc.

A certain price might not have gone down, but it's a completely different product. Therefore, it didn't have a price before. So it cannot have gone down or up. For establishing what people feel about this new product and it's price, you cannot just dismiss this.
This is arguably what I feel the most strong about. It's simply not comparable on a monetary value or span of the event, basis. Starting off on this premise, judging something without really looking at what it is.

"The poll is to see wether people agree it's expensive." So you have no problem saying it's intentionally biased. Yet present it as if it isn't, otherwise you would have made a poll asking if they agree with you that it's expensive or if they don't agree with you that it's expensive. All the additional options don't serve towards your goal. Makes me feel they are part of a ruse.
I have a problem with things like that personally.

I cannot respond to the last paragraph. It's like only comprised of fallacies.
Kooun
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada260 Posts
June 20 2011 15:43 GMT
#497
I talked about the gstl pricing with my buddies. They bought all the previous gsl passes. B/c of the pricing, they will either split the cost and share an account or watch/download vods from the site i've recently discovered.
sgt_cr
Profile Joined November 2007
Costa Rica95 Posts
June 20 2011 19:20 GMT
#498
Alright after some thoughs I finally bought the GSTL Ticket!

Gogogogo GSTL!
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
June 20 2011 19:21 GMT
#499
Fantasy league is a nice way of giving a further incentive to buy GSTL.

Also, it's not really anymore expensive than before...this isn't 25$ for 4 days of games..
the farm ends here
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
June 20 2011 19:28 GMT
#500
The price isn't that different saying it goes for so long. I was hesitant at first, but after getting my ticket I am happy I did. Team League is always more fun to watch.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
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