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The new GSTL does last two and a half months, making the price seem reasonable initially, but the GSTL is only two days a week of Starcraft. You'll still be paying for three days a week times one month of GSL while the GSTL is going on. The GSL that's $10 was six days a week of content for most of its duration, this will have many fewer broadcasted games for its length. The feeling of 'matches that count' won't even happen except towards the end of the group play and in the finals which themselves are shorter than previous GSTLs. In short, I feel $25 for this GSTL format is very expensive relative to the established price of $10 for a full month's content.
It will also mean an increase in total cost per year to watch all of the GSL as I assume the new GSTL season replaces two old GSTL seasons in the schedule.
Also compressing six days of GSL into three days will either mean a ton of extra work for the casters each day or not broadcasting some games (unless I don't understand the schedule so the GSL may feel expensive too if it stays at $10.
Why can't they just set up a monthly subscription for access to all the GSL content? I'm getting tired by them charging people for every event they host.
On June 17 2011 19:36 Fionn wrote: The usual GSTL before this has only been seven matches.
The new GSTL, league format, will have thirty seven counting the playoffs.
Price is steeper, but you get thirty more matches and get to see F.United with Thorzain/Naniwa and FXO.
I'm not arguing a higher price is unreasonable, I'm arguing it's out of proportion compared to the price for the normal season length and price of GSL.
In some ways I feel that this increase in price is due to the FXO being there as well as Thorzain and naniwa playing, kind of milking the foreign scene lol?
40 is a ridiculous price, 25 however is more reasonable and given the quality of entertainment the GSTL has produced in the past it doesn't seem like too much to pay.
They're going to have to have a hell of an incentive for me to pay that much for team league. Sure, it's close to the same price (twice the length twice the price) but $20 is a case of lager, $40 is a new video game. Silly, I know, but increasing the price and duration only limits the amount of customers you can have.
Maybe I'm just complaining because I don't want to spend the extra initial money.
On June 17 2011 19:40 pStar wrote: Think im gonna pass on this one :/
I don't see how they can justify that price.
In some ways I feel that this increase in price is due to the FXO being there as well as Thorzain and naniwa playing, kind of milking the foreign scene lol?
They're milking it by charging us less. THOSE BASTARDS.
On June 17 2011 19:40 Niick wrote: Let me get this straight guys You will pay $5 for 4 days of play, but $25 for 25 days play is too much?
Hey would you look at that, a dollar a day. before you were paying $1.25.
the problem with this is you still only get 1 finals and 2 quarter finals for 25$ and before you got the same amount of finals and quarter finals for 5$. dollar per game value its better, but not all games are equal. overall id consider it worse.
i probably wont be paying for this either even though ive paid for about 3/4 of the gsl events in the past. while i consider gsl the best tournament the other tournaments are catching up too much for a cost this high at this point.
Seems reasonable to me, GOM has the highest quality starcraft content out there. Compared to other productions no matter how much quantity they have its all about quality for me, and the quality of the GSL is leaps and bounds above any other tournament out there.
On June 17 2011 19:48 gm.tOSS wrote: THe price seems ok to me, but what I'd really love is a subscription option or a 3 month all GSL-Ticket or whatever.
I agree. Curently it's 7 GSL seasons + Super + 3(?) GSTLs = $155 plus whatever they charge for Korea vs World next year and Blizzard Cup.
If they offered a whole-year subscription at $120 they'd probably get more revenue overall (from people not skipping purchases if they're busy) and it would really help to click once and then just enjoy the matches for a year.
Remember this isn't paying for the prize pool, this is just paying for the existence of the English stream. The Korean VODs are free (with ads) I believe.
It's expensive to watch GSL. I'm not the biggest fan of GSTL, so I won't buy it and try to catch the good games live. And buy only the Standard Seasons.
On June 17 2011 19:48 gm.tOSS wrote: THe price seems ok to me, but what I'd really love is a subscription option or a 3 month all GSL-Ticket or whatever.
I agree. Curently it's 7 GSL seasons + Super + 3(?) GSTLs = $155 plus whatever they charge for Korea vs World next year and Blizzard Cup.
If they offered a whole-year subscription at $120 they'd probably get more revenue overall (from people not skipping purchases if they're busy) and it would really help to click once and then just enjoy the matches for a year.
Remember this isn't paying for the prize pool, this is just paying for the existence of the English stream. The Korean VODs are free (with ads) I believe.
That would be a really cool idea, probably rope more people in because of the discounted prices and even reward the people who continue to follow them!
with the addition of GSTL instead of paying two separate amounts I'd rather just pay like $15/month or something for GSTL and GSL and whatever other events occur.
Price is steeper, but you get thirty more matches and get to see F.United with Thorzain/Naniwa and FXO.
Thorzain said he wouldn't be playing for F.United, maybe for some Korean team though.. He's going over there in any case, so should be fun!
I don't mind paying for the GSL, and I still think the $ per game ratio is pretty good. However, they would be better served having an auto-renewed monthly subscription, much like that of the NFL, and other online sportsstreams.
At the end of the day, no one is forcing anyone to buy these subscriptions, so if you do not like the prize of one tournament, watch it live or don't bother, or go watch a different one instead! There, I just solved the internet
Price is steeper, but you get thirty more matches and get to see F.United with Thorzain/Naniwa and FXO.
Thorzain said he wouldn't be playing for F.United, maybe for some Korean team though.. He's going over there in any case, so should be fun!
I don't mind paying for the GSL, and I still think the $ per game ratio is pretty good. However, they would be better served having an auto-renewed monthly subscription, much like that of the NFL, and other online sportsstreams.
At the end of the day, no one is forcing anyone to buy these subscriptions, so if you do not like the prize of one tournament, watch it live or don't bother, or go watch a different one instead! There, I just solved the internet
Thought it was resolved and he is playing for them now.
I dunno, I've really been turned off by non-elimination tournaments since NASL went for 9 weeks and no one got eliminated. It just got tiring and boring. I think part of the charm of GSTL was that it was a week long and it was packed with great games and it was amazing. Spreading it out just kind of dilutes it. Sure the games will be good regardless, but taking away the tension of the games kinda makes it less edge of your seat, with so much SC2 content already from the GSL and other leagues, I'm not sure I really see $25 value here when GSTL used to be $5 in what I believe was a better format. To each their own I suppose.
On June 17 2011 19:31 TheAmazombie wrote: Yeah, this seems a bit high, especially with ads. NASL was only 25 bucks for the entire season, 5 days a week, no commercials.
yea NASL where you have to pay again for the finals, duh :p
I don't know if I'll be the GSTL ticket because I might have less time than during the year to catch up with everything so I'll just stick with the GSL one...
Price is steeper, but you get thirty more matches and get to see F.United with Thorzain/Naniwa and FXO.
Thorzain said he wouldn't be playing for F.United, maybe for some Korean team though.. He's going over there in any case, so should be fun!
I don't mind paying for the GSL, and I still think the $ per game ratio is pretty good. However, they would be better served having an auto-renewed monthly subscription, much like that of the NFL, and other online sportsstreams.
At the end of the day, no one is forcing anyone to buy these subscriptions, so if you do not like the prize of one tournament, watch it live or don't bother, or go watch a different one instead! There, I just solved the internet
Thought it was resolved and he is playing for them now.
Yes, he is playing for F.United. The thing was that he was not allowed(?) to play for WeMade FOX by mouz.
Price is steeper, but you get thirty more matches and get to see F.United with Thorzain/Naniwa and FXO.
Thorzain said he wouldn't be playing for F.United, maybe for some Korean team though.. He's going over there in any case, so should be fun!
I don't mind paying for the GSL, and I still think the $ per game ratio is pretty good. However, they would be better served having an auto-renewed monthly subscription, much like that of the NFL, and other online sportsstreams.
At the end of the day, no one is forcing anyone to buy these subscriptions, so if you do not like the prize of one tournament, watch it live or don't bother, or go watch a different one instead! There, I just solved the internet
Thought it was resolved and he is playing for them now.
You guys are comparing to the old teamleagues. But if you compare it to the normal GSL League you pay $10 for approx. 2-3 weeks of games. So 2.5 seasons of GSL or 25 days of team league ...
I haven't bought any tickets so far, just watching what I can live.
That being said, 25 dollars does not seem unreasonable for the GSTL. It has by far been the most entertaining part of the GSL series for me. The stories, the tension and the unbelievably great games would make this totally worth it, if I had 25 dollars to spare.
On June 17 2011 19:56 bwally wrote: Plus Gomtv quality is garbage.
... are you serious ?
Yeah their "HQ" stream is fucking terrible.
dont know what stream you're watching but GOM's HD stream is perfect
maybe for you it's fine but not over here in NZ. occasionally i can stream HD but usually its quite bad. plus have you watched IPL? TSL? NASL? hell even MLG? their standard stream is leaps and bounds beyond the GOMtv's standard stream. on the standard stream i cant even make out the supply numbers. the HD stream is the equivalent of the 480p stream for most other leagues. and it lags more.
On June 17 2011 20:05 Caelis wrote: You guys are comparing to the old teamleagues. But if you compare it to the normal GSL League you pay $10 for approx. 2-3 weeks of games. So 2.5 seasons of GSL or 25 days of team league ...
On June 17 2011 20:05 Caelis wrote: You guys are comparing to the old teamleagues. But if you compare it to the normal GSL League you pay $10 for approx. 2-3 weeks of games. So 2.5 seasons of GSL or 25 days of team league ...
On June 17 2011 19:56 bwally wrote: Plus Gomtv quality is garbage.
... are you serious ?
Yeah their "HQ" stream is fucking terrible.
dont know what stream you're watching but GOM's HD stream is perfect
maybe for you it's fine but not over here in NZ. occasionally i can stream HD but usually its quite bad. plus have you watched IPL? TSL? NASL? hell even MLG? their standard stream is leaps and bounds beyond the GOMtv's standard stream. on the standard stream i cant even make out the supply numbers. the HD stream is the equivalent of the 480p stream for most other leagues. and it lags more.
I'm in NZ. It works completely fine for me. It's your internet connection, don't blame GOM.
On June 17 2011 19:56 bwally wrote: Plus Gomtv quality is garbage.
... are you serious ?
Yeah their "HQ" stream is fucking terrible.
dont know what stream you're watching but GOM's HD stream is perfect
maybe for you it's fine but not over here in NZ. occasionally i can stream HD but usually its quite bad. plus have you watched IPL? TSL? NASL? hell even MLG? their standard stream is leaps and bounds beyond the GOMtv's standard stream. on the standard stream i cant even make out the supply numbers. the HD stream is the equivalent of the 480p stream for most other leagues. and it lags more.
On June 17 2011 19:31 TheAmazombie wrote: Yeah, this seems a bit high, especially with ads. NASL was only 25 bucks for the entire season, 5 days a week, no commercials.
yea NASL where you have to pay again for the finals, duh :p
I don't know if I'll be the GSTL ticket because I might have less time than during the year to catch up with everything so I'll just stick with the GSL one...
stop spreading bad information, NASL season ticket gets you everything including the finals. they are charging to watch the finals live, as in be there in ontario at the venue....
lol if you love america then you'll support the president.
Be meek and don't challenge the things you love!
e sports is not someones bottom line. we, the viewers are just as much a part of esports as any tournament and GOMtv english stream is just one small part of the whole.
One small part that I'm thinking is trying to screw us.
HQ stream is only recently actually 480p. The vods are 720p. 480p looks ok on a monitor, but watching on my 50" TV, not so good.
I'll see how I feel once I have time to watch SC2 again to see if I drop the $25 (I have bought every GSL season possible until now). With so many other leagues coming out, many with 480p or better for free, paying for GSL is becoming harder to justify when there are free alternatives. It's still the best of the best for now, so I guess it's still a monopoly, but their hold is weakening quickly.
They should inform us who is going to cast it. Many people will be disappointed if they behave like they did last GSTL and midway through it tell us Tastosis will not cast any GSTL games.
Also compressing six days of GSL into three days will either mean a ton of extra work for the casters each day or not broadcasting some games (unless I don't understand the schedule so the GSL may feel expensive too if it stays at $10.
The schedle pics say :
Code S will remain unchanged (2 group a day for group stage, 2 days for RO16, 2days for RO8, one days for RO4 and one for the final).
Code A will be severely cut down and they will do : - one day for RO32 (instead of 4) - one day for RO16 (instead of 2) - rest unchanged
So we will "lose" (or they will compres) 4 days of code A from ro32/ro16 (or they will pack it but i don't realy see how that would be possible). Not the greatest lost i might say.
new price for gstl seem realy expensive at first, but with the number of game it seem pretty fair
On June 17 2011 20:21 Probe1 wrote: lol if you love america then you'll support the president.
Be meek and don't challenge the things you love!
e sports is not someones bottom line. we, the viewers are just as much a part of esports as any tournament and GOMtv english stream is just one small part of the whole.
One small part that I'm thinking is trying to screw us.
Also compressing six days of GSL into three days will either mean a ton of extra work for the casters each day or not broadcasting some games (unless I don't understand the schedule so the GSL may feel expensive too if it stays at $10.
The schedle pics say :
Code S will remain unchanged (2 group a day for group stage, 2 days for RO16, 2days for RO8, one days for RO4 and one for the final).
Code A will be severely cut down and they will do : - one day for RO32 (instead of 4) - one day for RO16 (instead of 2) - rest unchanged
So we will "loose" (or they will compres) 4 days of code A from ro32/ro16 (or they will pack it but i don't realy see how that would be possible). Not the greatest lost i might say.
new price for gstl seem realy expensive at first, but with the number of game it seem pretty fair
Good break down, and fyi lose not loose saw you were from France, might not be the first language!
Weeks 1-5 Thursday: 1 Venus Group Match Friday: 2 Jupiter Group Matches
Weeks 6-10 Thursday: 2 Venus Group Matches Friday: 1 Jupiter Group Matches
GSTL Season 1 has 30x Bo7 matches = 120-210 games. Plus 5 playoff days. GSL Super tournament had 56x Bo3, 6x Bo5, 1x Bo7 matches = 134-205 games.
Considering that most offerings have been $10/$20 GSL or $5/$10 GSTL, I find it odd that it would be $25/$40 instead of $20/$40. If the live HD stream was upped to 720p to match the VODs I could understand $25 or $30.
Also compressing six days of GSL into three days will either mean a ton of extra work for the casters each day or not broadcasting some games (unless I don't understand the schedule so the GSL may feel expensive too if it stays at $10.
The schedle pics say :
Code S will remain unchanged (2 group a day for group stage, 2 days for RO16, 2days for RO8, one days for RO4 and one for the final).
Code A will be severely cut down and they will do : - one day for RO32 (instead of 4) - one day for RO16 (instead of 2) - rest unchanged
So we will "loose" (or they will compres) 4 days of code A from ro32/ro16 (or they will pack it but i don't realy see how that would be possible). Not the greatest lost i might say.
new price for gstl seem realy expensive at first, but with the number of game it seem pretty fair
They're playing Code A Ro32/Ro16 matches in the afternoon of the first week as well.
It'll be something like Monday afternoon and night: Ro32 A & B Tuesday afternoon: Ro32 C Wednesday afternoon: Ro32 D Thursday afternoon: Ro16 A Friday afternoon: Ro16 B
Which leads us to the 1 day Code A per week schedule from Week 2 onwards.
EDIT: As for the price.. I would prefer it if they reduced it to 20 dollars a month, but I'll give them their $25 anyway... GSTL's always worth watching. Good thing I made some good cash the past few months.
Kinda regret paying for the NASL ticket though. Hardly watch it and have been disappointed by a lot of it including the VOD quality.
At least with the GSL, I seldom get problems with the VODs.
They're playing Code A Ro32/Ro16 matches in the afternoon of the first week as well.
It'll be something like Monday afternoon and night: Ro32 A & B Tuesday afternoon: Ro32 C Wednesday afternoon: Ro32 D Thursday afternoon: Ro16 A Friday afternoon: Ro16 B
Which leads us to the 1 day Code A per week schedule from Week 2 onwards.
on thanks didn't know this one i'm glad i never watch it live to begin with and only watch vod because it seem a little hard to follow it live for the first few days.
You will see Jinro and HuK compete together with the oGs team and together with Zenio and MC crush some other teams. I for one would like to see the return of the almighty Jinro!
You will see the return of IM in the team league with Losira, MVP and the best player in the world - NesTea
You will see a lot ceremonies from the MVP team as well as DongRaeGu
You will see Cella a lot with the SlayerS team - and maybe even a BoxeR all-kill!
You will see the manner zerg Sheth showing his skill against top Koreans.
You will see the rest of the FXO team in their fight against the worlds best players.
You will see Thorzain and Naniwa and even possibly the great Swedish protoss SaSe (he's got a Code A spot) against the best players in the world!
You can watch GSTL two days a week during the entire summer.
I think they should have started smaller. 5x the price is a pretty big leap.
You have to understand that Gomtv / Blizzard is hemmoraging money into the GSL, with not even close to enough return to be sustainable. They need to charge more for tickets (just like the NASL needs to charge people for the open bracket) on the off chance it can bring them closer to even.
As a fan of eSports, it's completely understandable. If they need money to stay afloat, I genuinely hope they receive it.
But as a spectator of GSL, I really can't see myself purchasing this. I hope everyone else does tho XD
On June 17 2011 20:51 Tonyoh wrote: if korean VODs are free, where can we find them ?
You can't access them. The only way to do that is via a proxy stationed in Korea, and then it is fucking slow. At least I am not aware of any other methods. Maybe GOM is gonna post Korean vods like they did for the world championship for free. One can hope.
On June 17 2011 20:52 Tofugrinder wrote: what's up with the ads anyway? since january I'm buying tickets "with ads" and up until today there hasn't been any ad at all.
I thought about passing out on this one, but I think I'll buy the GSTL and not the GSL this season
this will probably be the end of me buying gsl tickets if they keep the price this high. its way too much for too little content. i love you gsl plz lower your prices!
On June 17 2011 20:52 Tofugrinder wrote: what's up with the ads anyway? since january I'm buying tickets "with ads" and up until today there hasn't been any ad at all.
I thought about passing out on this one, but I think I'll buy the GSTL and not the GSL this season
Its on the VODs.
I only watch VODs..
or is it possible that it's blocked by adblock? normally if ads are blocked I see black screen or something like that
You have to understand that Gomtv / Blizzard is hemmoraging money into the GSL, with not even close to enough return to be sustainable. They need to charge more for tickets (just like the NASL needs to charge people for the open bracket) on the off chance it can bring them closer to even.
Do you have any actual evidence whatsoever to support this? I have yet to see anything indicating Gomtv is losing money.
On June 17 2011 20:52 Tofugrinder wrote: what's up with the ads anyway? since january I'm buying tickets "with ads" and up until today there hasn't been any ad at all.
I thought about passing out on this one, but I think I'll buy the GSTL and not the GSL this season
Its on the VODs.
I only watch VODs..
or is it possible that it's blocked by adblock? normally if ads are blocked I see black screen or something like that
It isn't a video ad like on justin.tv, just that small picture ad that you sometimes see on youtube.
On June 17 2011 20:54 Finrod1 wrote: I can understand that prize and most likely i will pay it. But i don't understand why they cant come up with a subscription system.
Actually yeah. I'm getting a bit tired of having to continually pay for things. I'd rather have $15 a month or something automatically deducted forever. Or be able to pay a 6 month fee for everything.
On June 17 2011 20:47 TheSilverfox wrote: Let me get this straight:
You will see Jinro and HuK compete together with the oGs team and together with Zenio and MC crush some other teams. I for one would like to see the return of the almighty Jinro!
You will see the return of IM in the team league with Losira, MVP and the best player in the world - NesTea
You will see a lot ceremonies from the MVP team as well as DongRaeGu
You will see Cella a lot with the SlayerS team - and maybe even a BoxeR all-kill!
You will see the manner zerg Sheth showing his skill against top Koreans.
You will see the rest of the FXO team in their fight against the worlds best players.
You will see Thorzain and Naniwa and even possibly the great Swedish protoss SaSe (he's got a Code A spot) against the best players in the world!
You can watch GSTL two days a week during the entire summer.
This for the cost of $25 or $40 without ads.
Just take my money GOMTV!
i would really like to see a combined offer 40$ for 2 code s + 1 gstl
This is too expensive. You can't just compare price per game, by that metric the NASL would be a great deal, which is clearly not the case. What matters just as much is how exciting and meaningful the games are. The old GSTLs have been concentrated awesome, every game is live or die in a single elim. The new GSTL will be a lot less intense. I'm sure there will be awesome games but the tournament as a whole will be somewhat diluted. The new format isn't bad, more team league is a good thing, but it's too expensive.
On June 17 2011 20:52 Tofugrinder wrote: what's up with the ads anyway? since january I'm buying tickets "with ads" and up until today there hasn't been any ad at all.
I thought about passing out on this one, but I think I'll buy the GSTL and not the GSL this season
Its on the VODs.
I only watch VODs..
or is it possible that it's blocked by adblock? normally if ads are blocked I see black screen or something like that
The ads are ones that are at the start of the vods like on justin streams, and little popups like on youtube videos.
And 3 months (closer to 4 months, but 3 GSL seasons, so same thing) of GSL + GSTL was $45, now its $55. So basically they're getting an extra 10 bucks out of everyone.
I also support the subscription ideas, turns out I won't actually have $25 spare at the start of the GSTL so I'll be going a few weeks on free. Bleh.
I'm sure other people have posted similar sentiments, but consider the following: Pay per view for the last UFC was $55 dollars for HD. Lasting about 3 hours, that's about $18 dollars per hour of entertainment.
Compared to other sports, the GSL is really a good deal for the amount of live content you get, plus access to the vods.
I could buy another copy of SC2 with the current price of a GSTL without adds (Yes, I know I can't - but i'm expressing my dissatisfaction on the price for it especially since it's just 2/7 days a week for 2 months?
On June 17 2011 20:52 Tofugrinder wrote: what's up with the ads anyway? since january I'm buying tickets "with ads" and up until today there hasn't been any ad at all.
I thought about passing out on this one, but I think I'll buy the GSTL and not the GSL this season
Its on the VODs.
I only watch VODs..
or is it possible that it's blocked by adblock? normally if ads are blocked I see black screen or something like that
It isn't a video ad like on justin.tv, just that small picture ad that you sometimes see on youtube.
It depends on where you watch from. I get localised 15-30 second video ads on gsl vods
On June 17 2011 20:51 two.watup wrote: I think they should have started smaller. 5x the price is a pretty big leap.
You have to understand that Gomtv / Blizzard is hemmoraging money into the GSL, with not even close to enough return to be sustainable. They need to charge more for tickets (just like the NASL needs to charge people for the open bracket) on the off chance it can bring them closer to even.
As a fan of eSports, it's completely understandable. If they need money to stay afloat, I genuinely hope they receive it.
But as a spectator of GSL, I really can't see myself purchasing this. I hope everyone else does tho XD
You've seen the financial reports? That's awesome, mind sharing them?
it's expensive but it's an easy yes for me. it's excellent content, so far the best starcraft 2 viewing experience I've had, and I'm not going to miss out on it.
On June 17 2011 21:11 Gheed wrote: I'm sure other people have posted similar sentiments, but consider the following: Pay per view for the last UFC was $55 dollars for HD. Lasting about 3 hours, that's about $18 dollars per hour of entertainment.
Compared to other sports, the GSL is really a good deal for the amount of live content you get, plus access to the vods.
Why would you even compare the two and not compare GSL before with GSL after?
They probably won't get anywhere the same # of sales as before. Just basic psychology. $5 or $10 is an easy sell, but go higher than $20 and people will think twice.
On June 17 2011 21:11 Gheed wrote: I'm sure other people have posted similar sentiments, but consider the following: Pay per view for the last UFC was $55 dollars for HD. Lasting about 3 hours, that's about $18 dollars per hour of entertainment.
Compared to other sports, the GSL is really a good deal for the amount of live content you get, plus access to the vods.
Why would you even compare the two and not compare GSL before with GSL after?
/facepalm
Obviously I would prefer it to cost less, but I don't see a problem with the new price. Just saying that it's still a good deal.
I prefer this new format. Every GSTL i was rooting for oGs only to see them get knocked out and leaving me feeling...unsatisfied. I see it as more opportunity to watch the teams I like play more.
I personally have no issue with the low or high quality streams for Gom. For other leagues like MLG, IPL, NASL it can get really laggy for me on high quality due to my crappy internet connection. I watch those on low quality anyways.
I will decide to pay for this ticket for the same reason I have kept on paying...to see amazing players. The amount of awesomeness from GSLs and GSTLs has been really up there. Sure GSL Code S finals always end up mediocre but each season it seems like there's at least 1 game where you watch something amazing happen.
I agree a like yearly subscription would be the best. But this year is the first true GSL season year. I would think they want to adjust things on the go (as they have done) and try to improve and bring on more sponsors for the English stream side. The Korean stream side is free because the amount of sponsors allows them to provide it for free. I wouldn't mind a youtube style ad video at the start of each match on VODs. We're already used to it as consumers. Blip, youtube and justin.tv all do it. Perhaps next year things will have settled down for them to offer a yearly subscription service or perhaps not. But this is still the early days of the SC2 e-Sports scene.
This reminds me of the last (was it State of the Game Podcast?) where they compared the CoD community with the SC2 community...the tenor was basically that the CoD community consists of 12 years old kids spending 50$ a month for a new game while Starcraft players complain about Gom being too expensive ;p
The price is a bit steep but considering all previous GSTLs are the best StarCraft 2 I have ever seen (the only other one that comes close was the TSL3 semi-finals + finals), I will still pay for it. Gladly.
its still cheaper per day. if u currently have the 25 dollars in your pocket and ure not living each day earning $1 a day and putting it entirely into gsl, then it should be a non issue.
On June 17 2011 20:52 Tofugrinder wrote: what's up with the ads anyway? since january I'm buying tickets "with ads" and up until today there hasn't been any ad at all.
I thought about passing out on this one, but I think I'll buy the GSTL and not the GSL this season
Its on the VODs.
I only watch VODs..
or is it possible that it's blocked by adblock? normally if ads are blocked I see black screen or something like that
It isn't a video ad like on justin.tv, just that small picture ad that you sometimes see on youtube.
It depends on where you watch from. I get localised 15-30 second video ads on gsl vods
Oh, I didn't know that. Video ads must be annoying. Also, for me personally, the prices for tournaments are going up too high. I have bought the previous premium tickets always thinking "Its just a few bucks". Now I noticed that overtime it adds up to a good sum and my paypal account is empty. That being said, the only event I now even consider buying a premium ticket for is the team league. But 25$ seems a little costly to me, also considering all the free content there is. So I don't really know yet if it is gonna be worth it for me personally.
On June 17 2011 19:32 Nayl wrote: Why can't they just set up a monthly subscription for access to all the GSL content? I'm getting tired by them charging people for every event they host.
I never bought any tickets but i would strongly consider a monthly subscription for all GSL content, i don't want to pay a ticket for EACH event it just doesn't feel right
Why can't they just set up a monthly subscription for access to all the GSL content? I'm getting tired by them charging people for every event they host.
This. Just charge us $15-$20 a month, it's a lot more convenient and Gom will probably make more money from it in the long run.
GSTL have a better entertainment value for me, and is longer than a 2hours movie.
So relatively, 25$ really isn't that expensive for the amount of quality entertainment you get from it.
But it also depends, if you buy it at the end of the season just to see the matches that matters, you'll be losing a lot of value.
But if, like me, you buy it to watch it at decent hours because you have a daily job, and most likely will watch at least 50% of the matches, it really isn't that expensive...
It's far from the format it was before, where I bought the first GSTL pass for 5$ only because I heard the finals were f.ing awesome(and they were). But with this new format, there are a lot of chances that I buy the whole pass, from the start, instead of waiting for the finals and then pay 25$ to watch it when I'm told it's f.ing epic.
Hmm any cheaper price if you bought previous versions? Like was $5 per event if u bought the previous one or something?
$25 is a bit steep though "/ even though i have a job and plenty of money i dont think for a company that said they only charge for HQ/VoDs because they use the money from this to "improve" the stream so why change from $5 to $25 0.o doesnt make much sense!
i get the price they're putting up with the expenses they'll be having with the new format, and i think it's either fully worth it, or an acceptable price with support of e-sports built in.
this being said, while it is a lot of content, you won't realistically have the time to watch all of it unless you're a diehard GSL fan and usually only watch GSL of the tournaments, and are willing to make a serious investment of time into it.
it's like this, the old GSTL was 4 days for 5$, but you got the full bang for your buck for those 4 days due to the small timeframe and intense action, which made it both more accessible and more tense. while this is 25 days, there will be heavy diminishing returns on the value of your buck unless you have the intention and/or the ability to watch it in its entirety.
and there's always the living conditions differential. 25$ is shit to say a German (random relatively well-off country) with an average job, but for say a German unemployed student or a guy with an average job from a country where average wages are significantly lower, it's a lot of dough for some starcraft.
and whatever you make, 15$ extra just to have no ads, when their ads are already the most unintrusive ads to be found in sc2 events is damn right ridiculous.
i won't be buying this one, but i get people taking it without flinching and i see myself purchasing one in the near future if the conditions are right.
still, i do think a price of ~15$ would be more in their benefit, since i for one would pay that just to support them even if i'd be able to catch only a few select matches. they have to really think about this one.
If i could afford it i would for sur epick theses up. I don't see it as a huge deal tbh. Yes its a little more expensive. But consider this. 2 days a week over the course of 10 weeks. thats 20 days.
now assuming they are doing 2 sets a night. Thats could be around 14 matches a day. Which over 1 week is 28. times that by 10 weeks and you get around 280 matches.
We are not even paying 10 cents per vod at that price.
For some reason the GSTL sounds a bit expensive to me as well. I'm not going to have enough time to watch it all anyway so I'll just pick up the GSL. If they have a cheaper package just for the finals I'll probably pay for that.
On June 17 2011 21:54 Pandemona wrote: Hmm any cheaper price if you bought previous versions? Like was $5 per event if u bought the previous one or something?
$25 is a bit steep though "/ even though i have a job and plenty of money i dont think for a company that said they only charge for HQ/VoDs because they use the money from this to "improve" the stream so why change from $5 to $25 0.o doesnt make much sense!
$5 gets you 4 days of GSL, $25 gets you 25 days of GSL.
$5 gets you 4 days of GSL, $25 gets you 25 days of GSL.
it makes a LOT of sense.
Its more days sure, but the quality of games is sure to suffer. I think there will be quite a few walk all kills, or blooding of new inexperienced players, that lead to less entertaining games.
Not to mention 10 of those days have one Bo7 instead of 2.
$5 gets you 4 days of GSL, $25 gets you 25 days of GSL.
it makes a LOT of sense.
Its more days sure, but the quality of games is sure to suffer. I think there will be quite a few walk overs, or blooding of new inexperienced players, that lead to less entertaining games.
Not to mention 10 of those days have one Bo7 instead of 2.
Why would there be walkovers? This is a Korean offline league. There were practically never any walkovers in BW proleague.
On June 17 2011 21:54 Pandemona wrote: Hmm any cheaper price if you bought previous versions? Like was $5 per event if u bought the previous one or something?
$25 is a bit steep though "/ even though i have a job and plenty of money i dont think for a company that said they only charge for HQ/VoDs because they use the money from this to "improve" the stream so why change from $5 to $25 0.o doesnt make much sense!
Because they changed the format, and there will be a LOT more games, more casting, etc...
The last GSTLs were done within a week or two, this one will be over 2 months...
As pointed out, it's well worth it and the only shift in price is to make the tourney CHEAPER per day. It just seems like a lot because they're providing more content and asking for what seems like a lot all at once. Can't wait to see the upcoming GSTL!
Would have hesitated if this was something brand new or something with a questionable history, but since it's GOMTV and I know the awesome production value I'm buying it without complaints.
I think I'll buy it...the decision to turn this into a PL like affair and to put in nani and thorzain in is enough for me to feel that they care about us and what we want (or at least what I want lol) and that I should contribute in some way...
On a side note...I've never bought any of this...I buy the ticket...get HD quality and anything else? VODs right? And when do they "go away"? LOL or can I access them whenever I want them forever lol? Or is it just a DL system so Im keeping them to watch?
I think they just priced me out of it. When you think that the entire NASL season was the same price as a one month event, it becomes a bit of a hard decision. I know the gsl has a lot better games, but 25 dollars is a lot to pay for a month and a half of matches...
25 is a fair price, Its comparable to how much NASL tickets are and the production quality is much better. That said you should buy both. Tickets cant be ridiculously underpriced at 10 forever if we want GSL to be around in a couple years.
On June 17 2011 22:48 KobraKay wrote: I think I'll buy it...the decision to turn this into a PL like affair and to put in nani and thorzain in is enough for me to feel that they care about us and what we want (or at least what I want lol) and that I should contribute in some way...
On a side note...I've never bought any of this...I buy the ticket...get HD quality and anything else? VODs right? And when do they "go away"? LOL or can I access them whenever I want them forever lol? Or is it just a DL system so Im keeping them to watch?
Thanks, sorry for the GOMnoob questions ^^
You get the HD VODs for the season you buy. If you decide in the future to stop buying the pass, then you will still be able to see the VODs for the seasons you bought the pass.
On June 17 2011 22:31 Szubie wrote: As pointed out, it's well worth it and the only shift in price is to make the tourney CHEAPER per day. It just seems like a lot because they're providing more content and asking for what seems like a lot all at once. Can't wait to see the upcoming GSTL!
Actually if you look at from the amount of matches perspective, the cost is EXACTLY the same.
Old GSTL 7 matches for $5 New GSTL 35 matches for $25
On June 17 2011 22:50 ronpaul012 wrote: I think they just priced me out of it. When you think that the entire NASL season was the same price as a one month event, it becomes a bit of a hard decision. I know the gsl has a lot better games, but 25 dollars is a lot to pay for a month and a half of matches...
2 months and a half actually.
I agree, the price now of $25 for 25 days of play is worth more than when we were paying $5 for 4 days of team league play but you have to realize that dropping a larger sum of money at once feels a lot more daunting than dropping smaller sums of money over time. It shouldn't make a difference in the end but it feels like it does. People are not entirely rational beings.
Jun 23, Jun 24, 30th Jul 1st, 7th, 8th Jul 14th, Jul 15th, 21st, 22nd Aug 4th, 5th, 11th, 12th, 18th, 19th, 25th, 26th Sept 1st, Sept 2nd
That's 20 days worth of matches for $25.
Remember the previous GSTL? That one only lasted a week, between 5-7 games total. For $10.
Guys are you totally overreacting to sticker shock. I'm buying this, this is more value for the money.
I'll say this again just to make it very clear - you paid 10 bucks for 7 days(?) for the last GSTL. This $25 covers 20 days of GSTL. Is everyone clear?
Because seriously you guys are reacting as if you're paying $25 for 1 week of GSTL which is totally untrue and a knee-jerk reaction without getting all the facts straight.
*EDIT I didn't include the playoff matches, meaning that adds ANOTHER 5 days of match-ups. Seriously.
On June 17 2011 22:56 D_K_night wrote: If you count all the match dates of this GSTL:
Jun 23, Jun 24, 30th Jul 1st, 7th, 8th Jul 14th, Jul 15th, 21st, 22nd Aug 4th, 5th, 11th, 12th, 18th, 19th, 25th, 26th Sept 1st, Sept 2nd
That's 20 days worth of matches for $25.
Remember the previous GSTL? That one only lasted a week, between 5-7 games total. For $10.
Guys are you totally overreacting to sticker shock. I'm buying this, this is more value for the money.
I'll say this again just to make it very clear - you paid 10 bucks for 7 days(?) for the last GSTL. This $25 covers 20 days of GSTL. Is everyone clear?
Because seriously you guys are reacting as if you're paying $25 for 1 week of GSTL which is totally untrue and a knee-jerk reaction without getting all the facts straight.
On June 17 2011 22:56 D_K_night wrote: If you count all the match dates of this GSTL:
Jun 23, Jun 24, 30th Jul 1st, 7th, 8th Jul 14th, Jul 15th, 21st, 22nd Aug 4th, 5th, 11th, 12th, 18th, 19th, 25th, 26th Sept 1st, Sept 2nd
That's 20 days worth of matches for $25.
Remember the previous GSTL? That one only lasted a week, between 5-7 games total. For $10.
Guys are you totally overreacting to sticker shock. I'm buying this, this is more value for the money.
I'll say this again just to make it very clear - you paid 10 bucks for 7 days(?) for the last GSTL. This $25 covers 20 days of GSTL. Is everyone clear?
Because seriously you guys are reacting as if you're paying $25 for 1 week of GSTL which is totally untrue and a knee-jerk reaction without getting all the facts straight.
You forgot to count the last 5 days of play offs.
Yeah I was too late, you caught me before my edit. But thanks, because this just goes to show how even more worth it, this is.
I'm surprised that they're charging $25 for the cheapest subscription. Since they were combining three team leagues into one longer league, I was expecting $15. $25 is an amount where I have to stop and think about whether I want to pay for the subscription where $15 was probably an instant buy.
In terms of number of games, $25 isn't out of proportion to what GOM has charged for the week-long team leagues. The NASL has shown that more games isn't necessarily better. Teams that lock up playoff seeding may not try hard in the final weeks. Some teams are going to play without their star players when they have to prepare for an important GSL match or travel to a foreign tournament for the weekend.
I also have some concerns with the casting. How will Wolf and Torch(if the CSN guys are to be believed) make terribly played games entertaining? Nothing is worse than when casters force themselves to be enthusiastic when it's obvious the players are playing bad. Yet with the GSTL casters auditioning for permanent casting jobs, we will likely see Wolf trying to make TheBest's banshee control seem exciting.
In the end, I will probably pay for the ticket since Gom has had a history of well run events. Gom has done a lot to allow Korean players to play in more foreign tournaments and for foreign players to compete in the GSL. It is just disappointing that the trend of lower subscription costs seems to have ended.
Not an issue with me, i don't pay to watch GSL when there are so many EU/NA tournaments that are much better/more macro oriented and even with better player sometimes that i can watch for free.
On June 17 2011 22:48 KobraKay wrote: I think I'll buy it...the decision to turn this into a PL like affair and to put in nani and thorzain in is enough for me to feel that they care about us and what we want (or at least what I want lol) and that I should contribute in some way...
On a side note...I've never bought any of this...I buy the ticket...get HD quality and anything else? VODs right? And when do they "go away"? LOL or can I access them whenever I want them forever lol? Or is it just a DL system so Im keeping them to watch?
Thanks, sorry for the GOMnoob questions ^^
You get the HD VODs for the season you buy. If you decide in the future to stop buying the pass, then you will still be able to see the VODs for the seasons you bought the pass.
Ah nice. Thanks, exactly what I wanted to know! Glad it works the way I thought it would. Im now happy!
I think they've priced it a little too high, but i'll probably get it without ads anyway. Need my fix of tastosis! Really hope they are going for 1080p, that would be really awesome, and kinda justify the price too.
Really hope they are intending to up the quality. If they increased that... I dunno, its still an equal amount of matches for twice the price as before. But if they increased the quality...
No, I still think GOM isn't doing us a good service.
I think the intenstion of raising price is resonable, since there are two foreign teams playing and you will see them every week. GSL have spent their money to make this happen (Teams house for FXO and several expenses for Thorzain and Naniwa) and I believe the price is understandable. This doesn't mean I like the price, but you still need to understand what they have done for us foreigners.
And for some reason I was thinking about some in depth analysis of how the next GSTL would impact the players and teams and such XD, like as in the price they would have to pay for playing or something
But that's besides the point. $25 is reasonable :D, I'll gladly pay that haha, that's pretty cheap for all the games. I mean the normal Code S/A/ up down season is so cheap, it kinda balances out, right ? I'm so pumped for the new, more PL style team league for SC2, I'm sure it'll be super exciting!!!
I think $20 is my limit being a poor student... depends who is casting though would probably pay $25 for Tastosis but I don't think they will be casting this event so I will probably pass.
I don't have a problem with them charging $25 but, it seems that they've been stagnant on improving the stream quality. Once they got the low and "high" quality stream running consistently they just stopped improving it or didn't bother. Tastosis constantly say how all the money from the stream is put back into so I'm just wondering or would like to hear an answer on why the quality hasn't improved from about season 3.
If it's a matter of bandwidth/price, I would hope they had been looking for alternatives up to this point to at the very minimum provide the paying customers 720p quality stream. It just seems like we'll be stuck with crappy "high" quality stream until people make it an issue.
On June 17 2011 20:47 TheSilverfox wrote: Let me get this straight:
You will see Jinro and HuK compete together with the oGs team and together with Zenio and MC crush some other teams. I for one would like to see the return of the almighty Jinro!
You will see the return of IM in the team league with Losira, MVP and the best player in the world - NesTea
You will see a lot ceremonies from the MVP team as well as DongRaeGu
You will see Cella a lot with the SlayerS team - and maybe even a BoxeR all-kill!
You will see the manner zerg Sheth showing his skill against top Koreans.
You will see the rest of the FXO team in their fight against the worlds best players.
You will see Thorzain and Naniwa and even possibly the great Swedish protoss SaSe (he's got a Code A spot) against the best players in the world!
You can watch GSTL two days a week during the entire summer.
I will gladly pay the 40$ and would be willing to pay more than twice for the (in my view) superior content they deliver.
I pay for watching every big tournament and league that has the option, because I know that if I want to keep watching high quality content, there has to be revenue. And I'm happy to contribute my share.
Honestly I liked the old GSTL format. Short and sweet, I hate tournaments that last more then a month. Besides I only like tuning in for a few of my favorite teams. Gah, I would pay for maybe 15$ not 25$ though.
I usually look at it like this. Is it something I want? Yes. Is it priced fairly? Yes. Can I afford it? No. -> Cut out a few cookies and cake from weekly food budget. Can I afford it now? Yes.
There are so many things you constantly pay for. Night out on the town is expensive, to the movies, eating everyday. If you have a part of your budget available for leisure things like the advancement of ESPORTS but it's just not enough, then cut other things out. Unless you eat close to nothing and when you eat you only eat like rice, the food budget should be an amazing place to cut. Do I want to eat 2 boxes of cookies, 3 bags of crisps, 10 cans of coke, a pot of ice cream and steak this week. Or do I skip the tasty foods, eat egg sandwich a few times, and then eat all the other stuff every week while watching the GSL.
We all payed $5 for 4 days of GSTL. We need to stop comparing GSTL prices with Code S/Super T prices.
Before, we got $5/4 days aka $1.25/day.
This GSTL will be about 12 weeks, 2 days each week. That is 24 days for $25 dollars.
Now, we have $25/24 days aka $1.04/day.
It is actually cheaper than before on a per-day basis. We still have 2 matches a day like before, but they will be bo5s. So the games will theoretically be (at most) 2 games shorter on average. I won't factor that in because 1) I'm lazy 2) I don't care about that difference. So sure the price/game might go up a bit but I think in the end, it will be about the same.
I think i will watch the LQ version for free.by staying up at night. I already have NASL, so I dont want to spend more money on GSL. I think I have bought a couple of GSLs till now..but 40$ is huge money
The GSTL is by far the most entertaining tournament in my opinion, no need to complain gomtv usually does a great job with it as well so I won't be disappointed at all!
It's the GSL. No other broadcasted league comes close to quality of games and production yet. Only LAN events are competitive, and not really comparable. I'll be paying for this w/o hesitation.
The price does seem a bit steep compared to other things that we pay for. Internet $30? Cable TV $50? HBO $15? Cell phone bills $50? Stream many TV shows off of Hulu for $8/month. All of these options give us much more access and content than from one source from one company.
I'd like to see a monthly subscriber option from Gom. They'd have a stable customer base from month to month and solid figures to work with.
On June 17 2011 23:59 sjschmidt93 wrote: It's definitely high, but well worth it considering that the GSTL is the best thing around. Also, the amount of games is really high.
lol 25 bucks......how broke are TLers....even 40 isnt that bad. Even while I was in college I could afford this. I. spend twice the amount going out in the city. Stop being jews, its not like there asking you to shell out 100 s of dollars. This really a nominal fee with great production value.
On June 18 2011 00:32 GoBaja wrote: lol 25 bucks......how broke are TLers....even 40 isnt that bad. Even while I was in college I could afford this. I. spend twice the amount going out in the city. Stop being jews, its not like there asking you to shell out 100 s of dollars. This really a nominal fee with great production value.
Thank you for informing me. I am sure you know better than me what I can and cannot afford and also you seem to know exactly how much I am willing to pay for a certain product. I don't know what I would have done without your very reasonably and mature phrased input.
On June 18 2011 00:20 DOMINOSC wrote: it depends on the casters if its tastosis i will buy it but if its not i wont be.
That's an excellent point. For $25 I can't risk it will be all-Wolf like the last one. I have nothing against him, it's just he can't make bad matches fun to watch like Tastosis can.
I think the new GSTL format will provide some series which are watered down compared to previous GSTLs. If I understood the group phase right there can be matches which will not change who can participate in the playoffs. For this reason I don't like traditional group stages.
I watch GSTL more for the story line than for actual matches – while we had some really close matches which were exciting to watch. But with the GSL season running at the same time, the Code-S players likely need to practice so GSTL will again show mostly unknown players. With the group stage, it also gets more predictable which team will come out on top.
But with the current schedule I would rather skip GSL and watch GSTL. A GSTL series is more like a movie (considering the story line and length) like some GSL group stages.
more and more leagues have these pay-per-view options and if you`re a hardcore fan, watching starcraft in a decent quality becomes an expensive hobby : /
On June 18 2011 00:20 DOMINOSC wrote: it depends on the casters if its tastosis i will buy it but if its not i wont be.
That's an excellent point. For $25 I can't risk it will be all-Wolf like the last one. I have nothing against him, it's just he can't make bad matches fun to watch like Tastosis can.
That is actually a good point.
I will wait to see who casts what first. Lets not forget we still have to pay for Code S if we want to watch that as well
On June 18 2011 00:47 zul wrote: more and more leagues have these pay-per-view options and if you`re a hardcore fan, watching starcraft in a decent quality becomes an expensive hobby : /
I would say it is not that much about actual Starcraft matches. It is more about the entertainment which is provided with the cast and the overarching story line of a season. One can find SC2 matches in even better (technical) quality for free, but one does not get the GSTL experience.
On June 18 2011 00:47 zul wrote: more and more leagues have these pay-per-view options and if you`re a hardcore fan, watching starcraft in a decent quality becomes an expensive hobby : /
I would say it is not that much about actual Starcraft matches. It is more about the entertainment which is provided with the cast and the overarching story line of a season. One can find SC2 matches in even better (technical) quality for free, but one does not get the GSTL experience.
Which may not be a similar experience anymore due to the new format.
2011/06/18 2011 Global StarCraft II Team League Season 1 Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $39.99 2011/05/23 LG Cinema 3D Super Tournament Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $19.99 2011/05/16 Global Starcraft II Team League May Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $9.99 2011/04/18 2011 LG Cinema 3D Global StarCraft II League May Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $19.99 2011/03/22 Global Starcraft II Team League Mar. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $9.99 2011/02/22 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ GSL Mar. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $9.99 2011/02/11 Global Starcraft II Team League Feb. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $4.99 2011/01/15 Sony Ericsson Global StarCraft II League Jan. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $9.99 2010/11/22 Sony Ericsson STARCRAFT II Open Season3 Repurchased Season Ticket $14.95 2010/10/20 Sony Ericsson STARCRAFT II Open Season2 Season Ticket $19.95
On June 18 2011 00:32 GoBaja wrote: lol 25 bucks......how broke are TLers....even 40 isnt that bad. Even while I was in college I could afford this. I. spend twice the amount going out in the city. Stop being jews, its not like there asking you to shell out 100 s of dollars. This really a nominal fee with great production value.
How ignorant are you. Yea for the majority of american college students it isn't much. But you realize some people make much less money in other countries? Not everyone is guaranteed to make $1000/mth working at mcdonalds or even has a job of any sort.
Anyways, I probably still will purchase the pass. I just can't turn down an opportunity to watch thorzain/naniwa/fxo vs koreans. I think Moonan is megatalented and will surprise. But the price is steep. I can't help but feel they know foreigners want to watch and they think they can gouge money from us.
2011/06/18 2011 Global StarCraft II Team League Season 1 Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $39.99 2011/05/23 LG Cinema 3D Super Tournament Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $19.99 2011/05/16 Global Starcraft II Team League May Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $9.99 2011/04/18 2011 LG Cinema 3D Global StarCraft II League May Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $19.99 2011/03/22 Global Starcraft II Team League Mar. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $9.99 2011/02/22 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ GSL Mar. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $9.99 2011/02/11 Global Starcraft II Team League Feb. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $4.99 2011/01/15 Sony Ericsson Global StarCraft II League Jan. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $9.99 2010/11/22 Sony Ericsson STARCRAFT II Open Season3 Repurchased Season Ticket $14.95 2010/10/20 Sony Ericsson STARCRAFT II Open Season2 Season Ticket $19.95
Fucking hate adds.
HATE.
The adds is a little box you click away like on youtube etc, i hardly notice it and you save 10 $
I will probably buy the ad version - $25 is a fair price for the content I think. I have bought every other GSL event so can't stop now, and some of the early seasons were super expensive compared to now. Although, it would be nice to know the casting situation because even though I have no problems with Wolf, I would much prefer to see Tastosis doing the majority of the casting.
2011/06/18 2011 Global StarCraft II Team League Season 1 Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $39.99 2011/05/23 LG Cinema 3D Super Tournament Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $19.99 2011/05/16 Global Starcraft II Team League May Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $9.99 2011/04/18 2011 LG Cinema 3D Global StarCraft II League May Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $19.99 2011/03/22 Global Starcraft II Team League Mar. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $9.99 2011/02/22 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ GSL Mar. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $9.99 2011/02/11 Global Starcraft II Team League Feb. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $4.99 2011/01/15 Sony Ericsson Global StarCraft II League Jan. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $9.99 2010/11/22 Sony Ericsson STARCRAFT II Open Season3 Repurchased Season Ticket $14.95 2010/10/20 Sony Ericsson STARCRAFT II Open Season2 Season Ticket $19.95
Fucking hate adds.
HATE.
The adds is a little box you click away like on youtube etc, i hardly notice it and you save 10 $
Well there is an ad before the VOD starts to play. A short 15-30 sec one. Although it doesn't come on every single time a VOD loads.
I don't have any problem with the ads either though. Hardly noticeable.
I just bought a ticket for a football game.. = 90 minutes+extra time, that cost me 30 quid and thats one of the cheaper premiership clubs. The quality and quanitity you get from gstl is actually completely worth it, people are getting so mad over this.
Edit: oh and remember that theres the free stream aswell, its not like you HAVE to buy it
I think I'm gonna stop watching gstl tournaments now. Not because of the price but because I just don't have the time to watch every tournament. Right now I'm watching all the matches in each gsl and I'm thinking of toning it down to ro16 code S and up and ro8 or ro16 code A and up. I just don't have the time to watch the gstl over a 10 week period.
2011/06/18 2011 Global StarCraft II Team League Season 1 Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $39.99 2011/05/23 LG Cinema 3D Super Tournament Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $19.99 2011/05/16 Global Starcraft II Team League May Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $9.99 2011/04/18 2011 LG Cinema 3D Global StarCraft II League May Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $19.99 2011/03/22 Global Starcraft II Team League Mar. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $9.99 2011/02/22 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ GSL Mar. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $9.99 2011/02/11 Global Starcraft II Team League Feb. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $4.99 2011/01/15 Sony Ericsson Global StarCraft II League Jan. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $9.99 2010/11/22 Sony Ericsson STARCRAFT II Open Season3 Repurchased Season Ticket $14.95 2010/10/20 Sony Ericsson STARCRAFT II Open Season2 Season Ticket $19.95
Fucking hate adds.
HATE.
The adds is a little box you click away like on youtube etc, i hardly notice it and you save 10 $
Well there is an ad before the VOD starts to play. A short 15-30 sec one. Although it doesn't come on every single time a VOD loads.
I don't have any problem with the ads either though. Hardly noticeable.
Just to add, the level of anti-add rage i sometimes experience is almost unhealthy. So in a sense one could say that the $10 is like medication.
On June 18 2011 01:33 Sumwar wrote: I think I'm gonna stop watching gstl tournaments now. Not because of the price but because I just don't have the time to watch every tournament. Right now I'm watching all the matches in each gsl and I'm thinking of toning it down to ro16 code S and up and ro8 or ro16 code A and up. I just don't have the time to watch the gstl over a 10 week period.
I've become a lot more selective in what i watch. If i have time, i'll watch almost everything. If not, i won't. Especially earlier rounds of GSL.
This new GSTL i'm not sure how it will go in terms of viewing hours a week, so i can't comment on that. But for regular GSL format the early weeks (Code S groups for example) i skip a lot of it maybe 70-80% of it and only watch my favourite players or recommended matches. Often its just bad foreplay and not even Tastosis can make me care about some of the players who are STILL in Code S.
I dont understand how you guys can say no to this. The reason why it's been so cheap is because seasons before this the team league was only 4 days and now its a month long. This what we wanted isn't? More team league. Now u guys bitch and whine, " No. No way am I paying for this GOM, u guys just want more of my money!!" Iike really? It's pretty stupid to want more team league and not expect to spend more.
It's like everyone forgot how epic the GSTL's were lol ]: it's like a mini proleague now, I like it. Price is okay, a bit expensive to before but still, worth it imo.
On June 17 2011 23:58 mprs wrote: We all payed $5 for 4 days of GSTL. We need to stop comparing GSTL prices with Code S/Super T prices.
Before, we got $5/4 days aka $1.25/day.
This GSTL will be about 12 weeks, 2 days each week. That is 24 days for $25 dollars.
Now, we have $25/24 days aka $1.04/day.
It is actually cheaper than before on a per-day basis. We still have 2 matches a day like before, but they will be bo5s. So the games will theoretically be (at most) 2 games shorter on average. I won't factor that in because 1) I'm lazy 2) I don't care about that difference. So sure the price/game might go up a bit but I think in the end, it will be about the same.
exactly, what he wrote. We're not really paying more ]: come on guys buy GSTL
I hope they make some kind of universall pass that works for all tournaments for 1 months with some discount for people who watch all the tournaments from GSL, its kinda annoying to buy 3-4 times tournamet tickets during the month. One Tournament ticket would still be possible to buy for those who don't wanna watch all of it and got preferences.
On June 17 2011 23:58 mprs wrote: We all payed $5 for 4 days of GSTL. We need to stop comparing GSTL prices with Code S/Super T prices.
Before, we got $5/4 days aka $1.25/day.
This GSTL will be about 12 weeks, 2 days each week. That is 24 days for $25 dollars.
Now, we have $25/24 days aka $1.04/day.
It is actually cheaper than before on a per-day basis. We still have 2 matches a day like before, but they will be bo5s. So the games will theoretically be (at most) 2 games shorter on average. I won't factor that in because 1) I'm lazy 2) I don't care about that difference. So sure the price/game might go up a bit but I think in the end, it will be about the same.
exactly, what he wrote. We're not really paying more ]: come on guys buy GSTL
Yeah... Stop hurting ESPORTS... (dammit a lack of secret font on the laptop)
40USD is very expensive just to skip the ads, sounds pretty insane to charge that imo since this isn't paperview fighting matches or something. I'll just try to catch the free stream live sometimes or something because they've taken enough of my money already lol. I hope they just make GSTL the cheap one to watch and the average run the expensive one someday. 40 is just greedy imo. :/
Ok so I don't know why all these haters are hating on gomtv here. Here's what I have to say to all yall haters: stop hating.
GSTL used to be like a 4 day thing, so they charged like A DOLLAR for it and didn't make money, but it was popular, and epic, and had tons of drama and tension as the teams squared off-- you could see all the great rivalries and see good players before they broke onto the main stages (MMA anyone?). Everyone loved it, and the clamored for more; "why is GSTL a side show? I want team leagues to be bigger, tournament style, more of a main thing!"
And so, GomTv decided that it was time to bring Team League to the next level, and give it lots of time, every week, 2 days a week. Because of the number of games involved, this would be spread out over 2 months and would have 6 times as many games as the previous GSTL setup-- due to the increased cost of providing SIX TIMES AS MUCH CONTENT, gomtv rightfully decided to increase the cost by LESS THAN SIX TIMES, because they're nice people.
And what do you do? you complain. Well, Gomtv has reacted to the community asking for more team league by giving us more team league, just what we want, at a LOWER PER UNIT PRICE. There's nothing to discuss here.
IMO my only problem with charging a much larger fee is that their overall video quality is not the best that it could be. If you look at some peoples streams on TL.net, like HasHe's for example, the quality is amazing. Everything looks soo sharp and crisp. The GSL ingame quality although completely fine, is still nowhere near as nice to look at as regular TL streamers. For $25 or $40 I would of at least enjoyed having that amazing ingame quality.
It's about the same price as the other GSL events when you look at how long this one lasts compared to other ones. Plus the GSTL is almost always way more kickass than the regular season GSL.
The non-ad one is too expensive though; but whatever I don't really mind waiting through a short ad before the games.
(If it climbs any further though I may look to alternative sc sources; they are a LOT of free ones out there, and while inferior in almost every way... if the regular one goes up beyond 25; that'll be too much)
On June 18 2011 02:09 eXigent. wrote: IMO my only problem with charging a much larger fee is that their overall video quality is not the best that it could be. If you look at some peoples streams on TL.net, like HasHe's for example, the quality is amazing. Everything looks soo sharp and crisp. The GSL ingame quality although completely fine, is still nowhere near as nice to look at as regular TL streamers. For $25 or $40 I would of at least enjoyed having that amazing ingame quality.
That would be true, and an entirely valid criticism if gomtv was charging a larger fee. However, they are charging a smaller per-unit fee, so I'm not sure that's a valid criticism.
It seems quite high, I don't know if you can really scale it up this way. $25 is asking a fair amount for an experience with ads when in comparison to some other stuff we have available now.
yea these passes are getting kinda high. i dont know if this is part of their business model to gradually increase prices, or if they think the demand for this league is that high, but its getting to a point where its just turning me off to gom. they keep raising prices too high and it has raised eyebrows more than just once now.
Seems like a reasonable price for the amount of content, I happily paid the 5 dollars when GSTL was 4 days long, so I don't have a problem paying 25 dollars when its 2 and a half months long.
Shouldn't have voted without reading first the whole thing. Anyway, OP says a month long GSL costs 10 bucks and a two and a half months long GSTL 25. I don't see how that is unfair, provided his assumption that it won't have that "feel" is merely an assumption, nothing else. I'm buying it. May have to do with me still watching proleague every chance I get, but I really don't see how an almost three months long league for 25 bucks is a bad thing.
Season one of GOMTV was at the very start discussed to be at 50$ ! Then gom made it to 19.95$.
Back that day VOD were awful like 360p and got problems with the cast, like an idra match where the camera was not on the action for like 5mn. Matches were awful by today standard, but the game was not really figured out. So now we got 3 months matchs with better quality and better commentating. Well if you don't want to pay don't get it. I am pretty sure many people will never pay to see starcraft games, and well I understand mosty.
The price is now at a high psycological price. And there are no discounts after seasons as far as i know. I really understand all discussion but it's only because price is more than 20.
Only thing i expect from GOM is to upgrade the quality like they did in season 2, for the VOD. Actually VOD 720p at 1100 variable bitrate, with MP3 audio at 128Kps. It's fine, but a little bit more would not hurt if they can.
2011/06/18 2011 Global StarCraft II Team League Season 1 Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $39.99 2011/05/23 LG Cinema 3D Super Tournament Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $19.99 2011/05/16 Global Starcraft II Team League May Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $9.99 2011/04/18 2011 LG Cinema 3D Global StarCraft II League May Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $19.99 2011/03/22 Global Starcraft II Team League Mar. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $9.99 2011/02/22 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ GSL Mar. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $9.99 2011/02/11 Global Starcraft II Team League Feb. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $4.99 2011/01/15 Sony Ericsson Global StarCraft II League Jan. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $9.99 2010/11/22 Sony Ericsson STARCRAFT II Open Season3 Repurchased Season Ticket $14.95 2010/10/20 Sony Ericsson STARCRAFT II Open Season2 Season Ticket $19.95
Fucking hate adds.
HATE.
The adds is a little box you click away like on youtube etc, i hardly notice it and you save 10 $
The ads are the 30 second videos before every set of every match that have a RIDICULOUS volume level.
2011/06/18 2011 Global StarCraft II Team League Season 1 Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $39.99 2011/05/23 LG Cinema 3D Super Tournament Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $19.99 2011/05/16 Global Starcraft II Team League May Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $9.99 2011/04/18 2011 LG Cinema 3D Global StarCraft II League May Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $19.99 2011/03/22 Global Starcraft II Team League Mar. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with no ads) $9.99 2011/02/22 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ GSL Mar. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $9.99 2011/02/11 Global Starcraft II Team League Feb. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $4.99 2011/01/15 Sony Ericsson Global StarCraft II League Jan. Regular Season Ticket (VOD with ads) $9.99 2010/11/22 Sony Ericsson STARCRAFT II Open Season3 Repurchased Season Ticket $14.95 2010/10/20 Sony Ericsson STARCRAFT II Open Season2 Season Ticket $19.95
Fucking hate adds.
HATE.
The adds is a little box you click away like on youtube etc, i hardly notice it and you save 10 $
The ads are the 30 second videos before every set of every match that have a RIDICULOUS volume level.
my roommate can hear the TSL uses GSKILL ram ad through the wall... and i wear headphones.
I think it's worth the cost, the initial price may be high, but it gives you more access to a pretty unique and (normally) interesting SC2 tournament with extremely high level play. I don't see many substitutes for the GSTL.
I hope they come out with some package which ties in both the regular season of gsl with gstl, at a discounted price. Though I will probably buy both anyway, but it helps reward their loyal customers
It says right on the premium page. The event runs from June 23rd. 2011 all the way to October 7th, 2011. Three months of team league, two days a week. 24.99 / 3 = 8.33 per month, 40.00 / 3 = 13.3 per month. The event is exactly the same price as regular GSL events.
On June 18 2011 03:16 Original exxo wrote: Its 25 bucks for almost 3 months lol... Seriously.... twenty five
in addition to their normal GSL tournament. in addition to NASL.
if you watch all of these that shit can ad (pun intended!!) up.
Like in life, if you cant afford it you cant have it all but its around 10 bucks a month for just the gstl Its hardly too much in my opinion, and im certainly not rich
I got laid off and so now I have to begin prioritizing my premium SC viewing. I love $25/3 months for NASL, keeping that. I also like the $10/month GSL regular season. Unfortunately that means not getting GSTL. I'm counting on you all to keep me up to date.
I think you people need to realize you dont HAVE to purchase a ticket. You can still watch it live for FREE. If you cant do that, then tough fucking luck. Just dish out the 25 dollars. Its entirely worth it
I think the prices are fair. Leagues need sponsors to run so it only makes sense that they would show advertising. If it really bothers you that they show advertising then pay extra to get it removed. I mean how else can they make money to pay the players and turn a profit?
People will pay ridiculous amounts of money to get tickets to go see their favorite sporting events, concerts etc. I'm not saying starcraft is on that level but your getting a ton of games over 2+ months where as if you got a ticket to say the NHL playoffs you would be paying more money for one night of entertainment.
If you want a great league with lots of games and top players then you should be prepared to pay for it. Unfortunatly everything we want can't be free
If you went under the guideline that the old GSTL had a decent price... $5 for 4 days of starcraft... Now 2 and a half months at 2 days a week thats about 20-22 days of starcraft.
Pricing wise it seems "ok". However it's bundled in a way where much like the NASL, you might be paying for many flaky games. <.< Most notably till we get to the playoffs.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Furycrab wrote: If you went under the guideline that the old GSTL had a decent price... $5 for 4 days of starcraft... Now 2 and a half months at 2 days a week thats about 20-22 days of starcraft.
Pricing wise it seems "ok". However it's bundled in a way where much like the NASL, you might be paying for many flaky games. <.< Most notably till we get to the playoffs.
It's true, a lot of the early rounds won't be as great-- but because of the nature of team leagues, one player can't just have a bunch of uninteresting games since he'll eventually be put up against the stronger players from the other team.
On June 18 2011 04:00 Cyanocyst wrote: Its not about the efficiency of my money. I'm just legitimately not willing to part with 25 bucks easily, as i am 5.
+ its just team league, I care more for the GSl's Individual leagues. Hopefully when they release the price of those, its at a price i can't refuse.
Afraid given that this is only 2 days a week and GSl is 3 days its going to be more.
Ah, seeing as you're 5, it would be difficult to part with 25 bucks easily.
As far as I know, individual league is going to follow the same pricing model. For team league, think of it as buying 6 for the price of 5; you're parting with 25 bucks but for much more than you would previously-- if you were already going to watch this many games over this period of time, it's the same; and watching live is still free.
On June 18 2011 04:00 Cyanocyst wrote: Its not about the efficiency of my money. I'm just legitimately not willing to part with 25 bucks easily, as i am 5.
+ its just team league, I care more for the GSl's Individual leagues. Hopefully when they release the price of those, its at a price i can't refuse.
Afraid given that this is only 2 days a week and GSl is 3 days its going to be more.
Ah, seeing as you're 5, it would be difficult to part with 25 bucks easily.
lol What? Your insulting me? For not being in as good of a financial situation, where i can mindlessly throw a way $25 dollars with out thinking about it first.
When GSL, And GSTL were 10, and 5 dollars respectively, they gave me an insane amount of utility for their price. There was nothing in the world at that price, that i could buy to match the amount of utility received from buying GSL and GSTL tickets.
However now that the price is 25, its not nearly the blow out it was, I could buy something for 25 dollars and realize decent utility from it. Given that GSTL would probably win out, though its certainly worth thinking about the potential opportunity cost i'm giving up at the new price.
The problem was that the previous GSTL was tournament format, so obviously every match counted and everything was on the line.
This may be five times the content and five times the price, but how many matches are going to make a difference once the playoff scenario starts to take shape? I figured the GSTL was going to be around $20 since it's three months long and all, and I was also hoping for some sort of GSL/GSTL package deal for maybe $25 or $30 at the most. At this point if I want to purchase everything it's going to be $35 this month?
It's not that I can't afford it, I just don't know if I can justify it.
On June 18 2011 04:00 Cyanocyst wrote: Its not about the efficiency of my money. I'm just legitimately not willing to part with 25 bucks easily, as i am 5.
+ its just team league, I care more for the GSl's Individual leagues. Hopefully when they release the price of those, its at a price i can't refuse.
Afraid given that this is only 2 days a week and GSl is 3 days its going to be more.
Ah, seeing as you're 5, it would be difficult to part with 25 bucks easily.
lol What? Your insulting me? For not being in as good of a financial situation, where i can mindlessly throw a way $25 dollars with out thinking about it first.
When GSL, And GSTL were 10, and 5 dollars respectively, they gave me an insane amount of utility for their price. There was nothing in the world at that price, that i could buy to match the amount of utility received from buying GSL and GSTL tickets.
However now that the price is 25, its not nearly the blow out it was, I could buy something for 25 dollars and realize decent utility from it. Given that GSTL would probably win out, though its certainly worth thinking about the potential opportunity cost i'm giving up at the new price.
It was a joke. You said you're not willing to part with 25 bucks easily as you are 5.
He said since you're 5, as in five years old, he can imagine parting with 25 dollars isn't easy.
NASL was about the same price except way more content and I almost never watched it. I probably won't watch a whole lot of the team league either. If it was that price for the regular season and the team league, then sure.
I will pay. Hate long tournaments in general (short attention span) but since these are LAN and random it's worth it for all the good games you will see.
I didn't buy NASL, Lag, second rate players, too long, etc.
I paid for season tickets for the last code S/A, GSTL and Super tournament but I always ended up just watching it live. I probably won't get the ticket this time since I can catch it at night usually. Sorry gomtv
Good God you people are a bunch of whiners. It's $8.33 a month, ~$2 a week. It is the mutherfucking GSTL, which has easily been the best Starcraft 2 event so far. This is on par with the pricing of all the previous team leagues, you're just buying more content up front instead of spread out over several GSL seasons.
I've bought the ticket for every single GSL season before this (including $20 for GSL season 1) but I'm going to wait to buy this. $25 is a lot to part with in my mind just to watch the team league. In previous team leagues there were high stakes for every game and that helped build the drama but having a league system takes that away. I would've payed $20 or maybe if there was some bundle with GSL July for like $30 I would buy it but I won't be at this point.
On June 18 2011 04:21 PC wrote: New GSTL is 35 series (3 per week times 10 weeks, plus 5 in the playoffs)
Old GSTL is 7 series (2 per day times 3 days, plus 1 final)
5 times the content.
This seems like a reasonable answer.
On one hand, I can see GOM really trying to up the production value of the GSTL, which probably will be more expensive over a longer period of time.
On the other hand, the GSTLs have been extremely popular with viewers and have been creating some of the best games of SC2 ever played. Consequently, I suppose that it would be profitable for GOM to raise the price considering the huge demand and popularity for the GSTL. Although quite a few people will opt out due to the price increase, I think GOM expects some amazing games to lure them back in.
On June 18 2011 04:44 Toons wrote: You people who are saying $25 is a lot to part with, zomg $25 .. are you serious? Its $25 .. FOR 3 Effing Months ...
Seriously ... you pay $20 for a movie that lasts 3 hours .. This lasts for 3 months ... For what .. at least 1-2 hours per day
Honestly, some people can never be pleased
The tournament is actually only two days a week, and you really can't compare this to a movie. Just because $25 is nothing to you doesn't mean its nothing to everyone else.
On June 18 2011 04:44 Toons wrote: You people who are saying $25 is a lot to part with, zomg $25 .. are you serious? Its $25 .. FOR 3 Effing Months ...
Seriously ... you pay $20 for a movie that lasts 3 hours .. This lasts for 3 months ... For what .. at least 1-2 hours per day
Honestly, some people can never be pleased
3 Effing Months is a negative not a positive. I don't waste my time with baseball/NBA same reason got a life to lead. esports is about speed and instant gratification and it's not like players need to sit in a hot tub for a couple days to heal after a game, esports built for multiple games a day.
I am fine with the $10 GSL's and I would even pay $10 for the GSTL with the new format. I will not however pay $25 for a the games. When the original price was $25, I said if they made it a reasonable $10, I will buy it every time and I have. If they start jacking up the prices, they will quickly lose my business.
On June 18 2011 04:44 Toons wrote: You people who are saying $25 is a lot to part with, zomg $25 .. are you serious? Its $25 .. FOR 3 Effing Months ...
Seriously ... you pay $20 for a movie that lasts 3 hours .. This lasts for 3 months ... For what .. at least 1-2 hours per day
Honestly, some people can never be pleased
I'm so sick of these retarded comparisons for everything, make an apt comparison to something else in the same spectrum. I can just as easily say, "You can pay $20 for a video game with 100 hours of content, this is a total rip-off" or "You could pay $40 for a single meal at a restaurant, this is a great deal". It's not exactly the same, you could compare it to bloody television shows, or Hulu's access to shows for free, or the like, don't make these comparisons because there are dozens that can be made that make it seem like a good/bad/horrible/amazing deal depending on which one you choose.
On topic:
There's so much Starcraft 2 content around right now, and so much available for free or at a very low price that this, with $40 for an ad free experience seems like a bit of a stretch in comparison. The GOM has always provided some of the best production values but I still don't know if it can justify this price for VODs, particularly for me since I generally like watching content live if at all possible, since the GSTL is on in the middle of the night, it's slightly problematic but it's still not enough motivation to shell out for a non-ideal situation for watching games. I'd pay more for a live experience or deal with large numbers of ads for something like MLG which is on at a decent hour, but 25-40 dollars for something I'll be watching primary/entirely through VODs doesn't really work for me since I prefer watching things live and it's a non-ideal format.
I would also support a monthly fee, the quality and timing of the GSL events is hard to quantify at this time whereas great events like MLG and Dreamhack allow for concentrated bursts of amazing play for around the same price. More games isn't necessarily better when I have to sort through all of the bad content myself. As of now It's looking to me like I will be getting old VODs and watching if I hear good things and spend my money elsewhere for now.
Wow going to have to share this with friends, the price is ridiculous IMO. The only tournaments I will pay $25 for are super long ones such as NASL. So yeah, too expensive but "I" will still "buy" it.
They can't continue doing these shows for practically nothing forever. $25 is less than a pizza and a movie at the theater here in sweden. I'll pay cause GOM produces the best matches with the best casters.
On June 18 2011 05:09 karpo wrote: They can't continue doing these shows for practically nothing forever. $25 is less than a pizza and a movie at the theater here in sweden. I'll pay cause GOM produces the best matches with the best casters.
On June 18 2011 05:09 karpo wrote: They can't continue doing these shows for practically nothing forever. $25 is less than a pizza and a movie at the theater here in sweden. I'll pay cause GOM produces the best matches with the best casters.
Those comparisons are silly, refer to earlier post. If the price works for you, that's great, but drawing such comparisons to pizza and a movie is a little bizarre to me since there are dozens of other instances you could think of which would be cheaper or more expensive based on what you choose.
On June 18 2011 05:02 iTzAnglory wrote: Wow going to have to share this with friends, the price is ridiculous IMO. The only tournaments I will pay $25 for are super long ones such as NASL. So yeah, too expensive but "I" will still "buy" it.
What is the meaning of the quotation marks around "I" and "buy"?
GSTL May: 7 sets, $5 (w/ ads). 71 cents per set. GSTL Season 1: 30 regular + 5 playoff sets, $25. Also 71 cents per set. It's an even better deal if you get the ad-free rate.
4 3-month team leagues per year:$120 12 1-month individual leagues per year: $120 You're not paying any more than you would if you were buying individual league passes, and gstl has historically been the better tournament.
I'm afraid this will be the first season of anything GSL related since season 1 of the open tournament that I'll be skipping. It might be slightly more bang for my buck[s], but it's still way more than I what I want to spend in 1 go.
GSTL May: 7 sets, $5 (w/ ads). 71 cents per set. GSTL Season 1: 30 regular + 5 playoff sets, $25. Also 71 cents per set. It's an even better deal if you get the ad-free rate.
4 3-month team leagues per year:$120 12 1-month individual leagues per year: $120 You're not paying any more than you would if you were buying individual league passes, and gstl has historically been the better tournament.
On June 17 2011 19:32 Nayl wrote: Why can't they just set up a monthly subscription for access to all the GSL content? I'm getting tired by them charging people for every event they host.
THIS PLEAASEEE
I mean to foreigners it's our only eye into the world of korean sc2. Obviously we are going to watch. I don't want to do a transaction everytime they decide to host a new event. I want to be able to access the content
On June 18 2011 04:43 Meta wrote: I wouldn't even buy the GSTL when it was at $5.
Maybe someday the GSL will get with the fucking program and stop charging us... na that's never gonna happen. At least there's Dreamhack!
Yes, they should just provide daily SC with English commentary, HQ, etc. for free. They aren't a business or anything.
Derp.
Haha, yeah I think its really alright for the NASL and GSTL to charge $25, that's cheap as hell considering how many hours of good games you get. Furthermore, your helping the community.
On June 18 2011 05:09 karpo wrote: They can't continue doing these shows for practically nothing forever. $25 is less than a pizza and a movie at the theater here in sweden. I'll pay cause GOM produces the best matches with the best casters.
Those comparisons are silly, refer to earlier post. If the price works for you, that's great, but drawing such comparisons to pizza and a movie is a little bizarre to me since there are dozens of other instances you could think of which would be cheaper or more expensive based on what you choose.
I'm just saying that $25 bucks for supporting GOM and getting great games is a no brainer for me. I'm not rich but that kind of money is easily spent a night out or just on garbage food/entertainment yet people cry like it's the end of the world.
Also comparing it to any kind of purchased entertainment (games/movies/books) and it's frigging cheap.
On June 18 2011 05:23 karpo wrote:I'm just saying that $25 bucks for supporting GOM and getting great games is a no brainer for me. I'm not rich but that kind of money is easily spent a night out or just on garbage food/entertainment yet people cry like it's the end of the world.
This is exactly my thoughts. I blew £30 on drinks in a bar last weekend, $25 for 2+1/2 months entertainment is nothing.
I don't think it is overpriced, but I probably won't buy. I usually bought a GSL pass like mid way through season or possibly even later on. Then I might go back and watch some older VODs but I didn't really get excited until ro8 maybe ro4. Since the GSL price was only 10$, I'd buy it and watch some ro8 and on. Like for this recent super tournament, I watched maybe 3 or 4 series + some HQ live. 10$ is worth that for me, but 25$ seems a little too much for the time I put in.
On June 17 2011 19:40 Niick wrote: Let me get this straight guys You will pay $5 for 4 days of play, but $25 for 25 days play is too much?
Hey would you look at that, a dollar a day. before you were paying $1.25.
There were also be more 1-sided stomp matches that just aren't worth watching.
I'll probably just try and tune in live.
On June 18 2011 04:43 Meta wrote: I wouldn't even buy the GSTL when it was at $5.
Maybe someday the GSL will get with the fucking program and stop charging us... na that's never gonna happen. At least there's Dreamhack!
Yes, they should just provide daily SC with English commentary, HQ, etc. for free. They aren't a business or anything.
Derp.
Haha, yeah I think its really alright for the NASL and GSTL to charge $25, that's cheap as hell considering how many hours of good games you get. Furthermore, your helping the community.
I think the OP is trying to say that $25 is too much for the amount of content you get in the GSTL. NASL is 5 days a week and it is $25 for the hd and vods, but the new GSTL is (2 days?) a week and lasts about as long as the NASL bracket season, but it costs the same price.
I picked "other" as I've never paid for any event other than LIVE events that I was able to participate in,
From experience so far. GSTL has offered more entertainment in a bo7 match than even a GSL match, I will watch the LQ format when I have time, and I doubt i'll be disappointed.
On June 17 2011 19:40 Niick wrote: Let me get this straight guys You will pay $5 for 4 days of play, but $25 for 25 days play is too much?
Hey would you look at that, a dollar a day. before you were paying $1.25.
There were also be more 1-sided stomp matches that just aren't worth watching.
I'll probably just try and tune in live.
On June 18 2011 04:43 Meta wrote: I wouldn't even buy the GSTL when it was at $5.
Maybe someday the GSL will get with the fucking program and stop charging us... na that's never gonna happen. At least there's Dreamhack!
Yes, they should just provide daily SC with English commentary, HQ, etc. for free. They aren't a business or anything.
Derp.
Haha, yeah I think its really alright for the NASL and GSTL to charge $25, that's cheap as hell considering how many hours of good games you get. Furthermore, your helping the community.
I think the OP is trying to say that $25 is too much for the amount of content you get in the GSTL. NASL is 5 days a week and it is $25 for the hd and vods, but the new GSTL is (2 days?) a week and lasts about as long as the NASL bracket season, but it costs the same price.
First, its a team league so its already much better than NASL, second the quality of these games are way higher than NASL's, more than half of NASL's group play is just terrible. (either really one sided, or 2 bad players, drebie vs painuser was just so painful to watch)
On June 18 2011 05:09 karpo wrote: They can't continue doing these shows for practically nothing forever. $25 is less than a pizza and a movie at the theater here in sweden. I'll pay cause GOM produces the best matches with the best casters.
Those comparisons are silly, refer to earlier post. If the price works for you, that's great, but drawing such comparisons to pizza and a movie is a little bizarre to me since there are dozens of other instances you could think of which would be cheaper or more expensive based on what you choose.
I'm just saying that $25 bucks for supporting GOM and getting great games is a no brainer for me. I'm not rich but that kind of money is easily spent a night out or just on garbage food/entertainment yet people cry like it's the end of the world.
Also comparing it to any kind of purchased entertainment (games/movies/books) and it's frigging cheap.
The first part is up to you, the second doesn't make sense, because you could draw plenty of examples where the value for this pales in comparison, you can get games for $20 with a hundred hours of content, a book for $10 which is 1000 pages long, a dinner for $10 or a dinner for $100. A movie for $20 or an entire season of television shows for free. There are way to many comparisons that are both good or bad that you can make in other mediums, keeping it within the realm of Starcraft or eSports is generally the best way to draw valid comparisons.
That's where I say there's so much content available for near-free/free and while GOM has always boasted some of the best production quality, I don't know if it's enough to draw me in this time around, with things like MLG, IPL, Dreamhack all available for free/near-free and the NASL on at decent hours, there's already so much Starcraft available to watch for no cost, that a ticket just doesn't seem worth it to me in comparison.
I get 10$ premium every gsl never payed and probably never will pay for GSTL not that it's expensive, just not that much interested in team vs team. P.S.: 25$ is kinda rough. it should be about 10-15. for usual gstl is 4$ :D
On June 18 2011 05:54 futsel wrote: I get 10$ premium every gsl never payed and probably never will pay for GSTL not that it's expensive, just not that much interested in team vs team. P.S.: 25$ is kinda rough. it should be about 10-15. for usual gstl is 4$ :D
I thought the same but i was pleasantly surprised. Some of the best games to date are from the gstl. Anyway I think the price is somewhat reasonable. Like some other have mentioned i'd prefer to have a monthly or yearly subscription instead of having to buy a pass for every event.
I do not find $ 25 or even $ 40 a particular large amount for the content. I am how ever worried that it bars the entry to new sc2 viewers even more then before.
I really think that $25 is pushing it a bit, Given the amount of content they're offering, I think that $15/$25 would be a better idea, considering that I'd probably be getting the concurrent season of GSL with it.
Honestly, I don't like how so many people are complaining about the price.
The coming GSTL will have 5 times the content at 5 times the old price. The price per set is exactly the same as in previous GSTLs. Any less would make it a better deal than the previous GSTLs.
On June 17 2011 19:40 Niick wrote: Let me get this straight guys You will pay $5 for 4 days of play, but $25 for 25 days play is too much?
Hey would you look at that, a dollar a day. before you were paying $1.25.
There were also be more 1-sided stomp matches that just aren't worth watching.
I'll probably just try and tune in live.
On June 18 2011 04:43 Meta wrote: I wouldn't even buy the GSTL when it was at $5.
Maybe someday the GSL will get with the fucking program and stop charging us... na that's never gonna happen. At least there's Dreamhack!
Yes, they should just provide daily SC with English commentary, HQ, etc. for free. They aren't a business or anything.
Derp.
Haha, yeah I think its really alright for the NASL and GSTL to charge $25, that's cheap as hell considering how many hours of good games you get. Furthermore, your helping the community.
I think the OP is trying to say that $25 is too much for the amount of content you get in the GSTL. NASL is 5 days a week and it is $25 for the hd and vods, but the new GSTL is (2 days?) a week and lasts about as long as the NASL bracket season, but it costs the same price.
First, its a team league so its already much better than NASL, second the quality of these games are way higher than NASL's, more than half of NASL's group play is just terrible. (either really one sided, or 2 bad players, drebie vs painuser was just so painful to watch)
I understand that, but speaking in numbers, NASL is the better deal and that is why some people may have a problem with it, that's all.
The Team League format has always been more enjoyable to me. Even though its only 2 days a week, the sets could get up to 9 or 13 games depending on if they go first to 5 or 7.
I still think its worth it. I know people are broke, but lets support ESPORTS!
I voted "other", since it's always been an issue of time and not of money for me. I try to watch the odd weekend matches that air earlier on the weekends, since I'm usually just going to bed at that time anyways.
So to clarify, no, I will not purchase a ticket, but not because it is "too expensive".
On June 18 2011 00:32 GoBaja wrote: lol 25 bucks......how broke are TLers....even 40 isnt that bad. Even while I was in college I could afford this. I. spend twice the amount going out in the city. Stop being jews, its not like there asking you to shell out 100 s of dollars. This really a nominal fee with great production value.
How ignorant are you. Yea for the majority of american college students it isn't much. But you realize some people make much less money in other countries? Not everyone is guaranteed to make $1000/mth working at mcdonalds or even has a job of any sort.
Anyways, I probably still will purchase the pass. I just can't turn down an opportunity to watch thorzain/naniwa/fxo vs koreans. I think Moonan is megatalented and will surprise. But the price is steep. I can't help but feel they know foreigners want to watch and they think they can gouge money from us.
For the majority of american college students that is A LOT lol... most of us are broke as a joke. I don't understand what that guy was talking about. Just some ignorant kid who gets everything paid for by mommy and daddy.
On June 18 2011 00:32 GoBaja wrote: lol 25 bucks......how broke are TLers....even 40 isnt that bad. Even while I was in college I could afford this. I. spend twice the amount going out in the city. Stop being jews, its not like there asking you to shell out 100 s of dollars. This really a nominal fee with great production value.
How ignorant are you. Yea for the majority of american college students it isn't much. But you realize some people make much less money in other countries? Not everyone is guaranteed to make $1000/mth working at mcdonalds or even has a job of any sort.
Anyways, I probably still will purchase the pass. I just can't turn down an opportunity to watch thorzain/naniwa/fxo vs koreans. I think Moonan is megatalented and will surprise. But the price is steep. I can't help but feel they know foreigners want to watch and they think they can gouge money from us.
For the majority of american college students that is A LOT lol... most of us are broke as a joke. I don't understand what that guy was talking about. Just some ignorant kid who gets everything paid for by mommy and daddy.
I think what we're all missing out on here is that the per-unit price has gone DOWN. You are now paying less on a per-game basis, since the team league itself has been dramatically expanded. If you were planning on watching the GSTL anyways for this many games, you are paying LESS MONEY TOTAL as well.
We wanted more foreigners in GSL, so GOM gave away Code A/S spots. We want to see a foreigner team in GSTL, so GOM invited and accommodated FXOpen. We asked GOM to blow up GSTL, so GOM made it into a full league.
The least we can do is chip in a bit for the prize pool?
Damn, I don't know. On the one hand, GSL is the best tournament by far. On the other hand, I'm really short on cash these days. If I wasn't a poor, jobless college student, the price would not stop me. But I can't afford a lot of stuff I actually need right now, so I really doubt I can swing this.
I want GSL to switch to a flat monthly payment system. Like 15 bucks a month or something.
Anyway, it's sad I'll have to miss all this awesome GSL stuff because of money. It kicks the shit out of other tournaments just by having the players there in person. Only downside is lame finals every season (except GSTL has killer finals every time).
On June 18 2011 06:24 Primadog wrote: Friends, stop being so ridiculus.
We wanted more foreigners in GSL, so GOM gave away Code A/S spots. We want to see a foreigner team in GSTL, so GOM invited and accommodated FXOpen. We asked GOM to blow up GSTL, so GOM made it into a full league.
The least we can do is chip in a bit for the prize pool?
Gom having done a lot of good doesn't change the fact that it's quite expensive. Won't be buying, will be watching any stream I have time for though.
On June 18 2011 05:02 iTzAnglory wrote: Wow going to have to share this with friends, the price is ridiculous IMO. The only tournaments I will pay $25 for are super long ones such as NASL. So yeah, too expensive but "I" will still "buy" it.
What is the meaning of the quotation marks around "I" and "buy"?
I meant that I will be sharing the account with my friends lol
On June 18 2011 06:24 Primadog wrote: Friends, stop being so ridiculus.
We wanted more foreigners in GSL, so GOM gave away Code A/S spots. We want to see a foreigner team in GSTL, so GOM invited and accommodated FXOpen. We asked GOM to blow up GSTL, so GOM made it into a full league.
The least we can do is chip in a bit for the prize pool?
Gom having done a lot of good doesn't change the fact that it's quite expensive. Won't be buying, will be watching any stream I have time for though.
1) It's cheaper than it used to be on a per-match basis, since the ticket buys you a lot more matches 2) It's cheaper than it used to be on a per-match basis, since the ticket buys you a lot more matches 3) dude. it's cheaper than it used to be. It's like complaining that a gallon of milk is more expensive than a quart of milk, despite the fact that the gallon is cheaper than 4 quarts would be, SO YOURE GETTING MORE STUFF FOR YOUR MONEY
On June 18 2011 06:19 MethodSC wrote: For the majority of american college students that is A LOT lol... most of us are broke as a joke. I don't understand what that guy was talking about. Just some ignorant kid who gets everything paid for by mommy and daddy.
I know it's not more expensive than usual (same price/duration ratio) but I think people (me included) will see this as a bit too expensive (20$, a symbolic change, looks much less expensive imo). Perhaps they should make a monthly 10$ subscription, or a subscription for the first 5 weeks then another for the next 5. I'll still buy it because I can, but I fear they'll lose some business
The upfront cost is the problem. I agree with what someone else said earlier in the thread, a lot more people would probably be willing to pay something like a $10-15 subscription per month with access to all GSL content, incl. individual leagues, team leagues, future world championships, etc.
$25 or $40 is a lot to pay in one go when you're not immediately getting the entertainment, like you would buying a video game or going out to see a movie.
On June 18 2011 06:19 MethodSC wrote: For the majority of american college students that is A LOT lol... most of us are broke as a joke. I don't understand what that guy was talking about. Just some ignorant kid who gets everything paid for by mommy and daddy.
What? $25? Get a job.
lol 25 is like how much I make in 3 hours for June till October? for some of the best SC2 action ever of the esport I love? Hell yes
On June 18 2011 06:24 Primadog wrote: Friends, stop being so ridiculus.
We wanted more foreigners in GSL, so GOM gave away Code A/S spots. We want to see a foreigner team in GSTL, so GOM invited and accommodated FXOpen. We asked GOM to blow up GSTL, so GOM made it into a full league.
The least we can do is chip in a bit for the prize pool?
Gom having done a lot of good doesn't change the fact that it's quite expensive. Won't be buying, will be watching any stream I have time for though.
1) It's cheaper than it used to be on a per-match basis, since the ticket buys you a lot more matches 2) It's cheaper than it used to be on a per-match basis, since the ticket buys you a lot more matches 3) dude. it's cheaper than it used to be. It's like complaining that a gallon of milk is more expensive than a quart of milk, despite the fact that the gallon is cheaper than 4 quarts would be, SO YOURE GETTING MORE STUFF FOR YOUR MONEY
On June 17 2011 19:40 Niick wrote: Let me get this straight guys You will pay $5 for 4 days of play, but $25 for 25 days play is too much?
Hey would you look at that, a dollar a day. before you were paying $1.25.
There were also be more 1-sided stomp matches that just aren't worth watching.
I'll probably just try and tune in live.
On June 18 2011 04:43 Meta wrote: I wouldn't even buy the GSTL when it was at $5.
Maybe someday the GSL will get with the fucking program and stop charging us... na that's never gonna happen. At least there's Dreamhack!
Yes, they should just provide daily SC with English commentary, HQ, etc. for free. They aren't a business or anything.
Derp.
Haha, yeah I think its really alright for the NASL and GSTL to charge $25, that's cheap as hell considering how many hours of good games you get. Furthermore, your helping the community.
I think the OP is trying to say that $25 is too much for the amount of content you get in the GSTL. NASL is 5 days a week and it is $25 for the hd and vods, but the new GSTL is (2 days?) a week and lasts about as long as the NASL bracket season, but it costs the same price.
First, its a team league so its already much better than NASL, second the quality of these games are way higher than NASL's, more than half of NASL's group play is just terrible. (either really one sided, or 2 bad players, drebie vs painuser was just so painful to watch)
I understand that, but speaking in numbers, NASL is the better deal and that is why some people may have a problem with it, that's all.
Thats your opinion. I wouldnt spend $5 on NASL, shit sucks.
On June 17 2011 19:40 Niick wrote: Let me get this straight guys You will pay $5 for 4 days of play, but $25 for 25 days play is too much?
Hey would you look at that, a dollar a day. before you were paying $1.25.
There were also be more 1-sided stomp matches that just aren't worth watching.
I'll probably just try and tune in live.
On June 18 2011 04:43 Meta wrote: I wouldn't even buy the GSTL when it was at $5.
Maybe someday the GSL will get with the fucking program and stop charging us... na that's never gonna happen. At least there's Dreamhack!
Yes, they should just provide daily SC with English commentary, HQ, etc. for free. They aren't a business or anything.
Derp.
Haha, yeah I think its really alright for the NASL and GSTL to charge $25, that's cheap as hell considering how many hours of good games you get. Furthermore, your helping the community.
I think the OP is trying to say that $25 is too much for the amount of content you get in the GSTL. NASL is 5 days a week and it is $25 for the hd and vods, but the new GSTL is (2 days?) a week and lasts about as long as the NASL bracket season, but it costs the same price.
First, its a team league so its already much better than NASL, second the quality of these games are way higher than NASL's, more than half of NASL's group play is just terrible. (either really one sided, or 2 bad players, drebie vs painuser was just so painful to watch)
I understand that, but speaking in numbers, NASL is the better deal and that is why some people may have a problem with it, that's all.
Thats your opinion. I wouldnt spend $5 on NASL, shit sucks.
NASL isn't bad, it's just Gom is too good. We're spoiled by Gom's high quality service =P
Okay I kind of don't get the complaint for paying $25 bucks for the GSTL, everyone knows the GSTL is FAR more epic to watch than the GSL especially where finals are concerned. I'm assuming the finals of this GSTL will have a stadium booked like the GSL finals so that will make it even more epic.
We preach of how companies and people should support e-sports but it's actually all of us that needs to put the money and viewership into e-sports if we truly want it to grow.
It is a bit expensive compared to how much GSL and GSTL have cost in the past but it seems as though it's completely worth it.
How much would people rather it be other than free (which is an option if you are willing to stay up ad watch it).
I have some mix feelings about this, dont know what to do, 25 seems a lil to much, I know its a lot of content, but hell imagine if they keep doing this 4 GSTLs a year will be 100, plus the GSL we will be using more than $200 a year just for SC2 content, not even my GolTV sportpackage from rogers is that expensive :S and I can watch Real Madrid and Barcelona every weekend, and its just 8bucks a month + fox sports and the Serie A League.
I want to buy it and support it but damn... why not puting 30 and mixing GSL and GSTL together? fuck I have to pay 25 now and then GSL pay another 10-15 more.
On June 18 2011 06:24 Primadog wrote: Friends, stop being so ridiculus.
We wanted more foreigners in GSL, so GOM gave away Code A/S spots. We want to see a foreigner team in GSTL, so GOM invited and accommodated FXOpen. We asked GOM to blow up GSTL, so GOM made it into a full league.
The least we can do is chip in a bit for the prize pool?
Gom having done a lot of good doesn't change the fact that it's quite expensive. Won't be buying, will be watching any stream I have time for though.
1) It's cheaper than it used to be on a per-match basis, since the ticket buys you a lot more matches 2) It's cheaper than it used to be on a per-match basis, since the ticket buys you a lot more matches 3) dude. it's cheaper than it used to be. It's like complaining that a gallon of milk is more expensive than a quart of milk, despite the fact that the gallon is cheaper than 4 quarts would be, SO YOURE GETTING MORE STUFF FOR YOUR MONEY
Sure, I never argued otherwise. I thought the GSTL was expensive as well. If the GSTL was the only league I cared for I would pay in an instant, but instead I'm spreading my money between all of these 'cheap' services and it bloody adds up. And paying for VODs with ads? That shit's pretty dumb.
We dont even know if its tasteless and artosis who are commentating, I dont want the GSLT to become another CODE A crap where I stop watching it because moletrap was horrible and damn just having wolf doing solo casting is not right.
Cant you imagine paying 25 and you have to hear moletrap 3more months..... sorry i dont have anything against the guy, but we really need better commentators if we are rasing the subscriptions.
On June 18 2011 06:24 Primadog wrote: Friends, stop being so ridiculus.
We wanted more foreigners in GSL, so GOM gave away Code A/S spots. We want to see a foreigner team in GSTL, so GOM invited and accommodated FXOpen. We asked GOM to blow up GSTL, so GOM made it into a full league.
The least we can do is chip in a bit for the prize pool?
Gom having done a lot of good doesn't change the fact that it's quite expensive. Won't be buying, will be watching any stream I have time for though.
1) It's cheaper than it used to be on a per-match basis, since the ticket buys you a lot more matches 2) It's cheaper than it used to be on a per-match basis, since the ticket buys you a lot more matches 3) dude. it's cheaper than it used to be. It's like complaining that a gallon of milk is more expensive than a quart of milk, despite the fact that the gallon is cheaper than 4 quarts would be, SO YOURE GETTING MORE STUFF FOR YOUR MONEY
this is an excellent excellent point. 10/10.
There's a little more to it in the sense that there's a lot of Starcraft to watch right now, and asking a high amount for the ticket for one specific tournament can be off-putting for some people.
Using your own comparison, let's say I can choose a gallon of milk, or one or two quarts of milk, now the gallon may provide better overall value, but there's also the aspect of the expiry date, if I only drink 1-2 quarts out of that gallon before it expires, I just wasted the rest that I could have saved by buying 2 quarts. In that sense, there are people who aren't that interested in watching every match and for that purpose the old pricing was better since if I only cared about 3-4 teams, I'd still consider the asking price adequate, but if I only care about 3-4 teams for this asking price, it's a little steeper.
It's not some ridiculous ticketing price, but it's not as simple as some people are making it out to be.
Why are you guys even arguing about this. One look and I already saw that it was cheaper just due to the amount of matches. You guys were spoilt with the low cost of the last GSTL because there was little matches. Now when they give you like 10x the amount of matches, you complain when they raise the pricex5? Honestly. I can see however why you are complaining about GSTL taking GSL time.
And you say that 2 days a week isn't worth the $25 for 2 1/2 months? Woooow. I guess GOMTV should release an apology to everyone saying sorry that the teams can't play every day while GSL is on. Also, you say that the GSL $10 6 days a week is good. Of course the GSL is going to have to be cut short. There is only so much a week that can be broadcasted. We wanted GSTL, we got it. Of course there is going to be sacrifices in some other area of GOMTV's broadcasting. And it's the GSL, I don't know if they're going to be broadcasting all the games or just selected games. I really don't care because GOMTV is giving you 5-6 days A WEEK of SC2 for pretty much no cost over a few months. If you didn't want the GSTL then you have all rights to complain, but it sounds like you actually wanted it. Also you do realize that there are a lot less players in GSTL, and these players are actually playing in the GSL and it's about getting whole teams of players to play at one time. So you have a lower density of players in the GSTL, GSL restrictions, and broadcasting time restrictions. GSTL is a minimum of 7 matches isn't it?(first to 7) so there could be 14 matches in one cast compared to the 4 rounds of GSL which could be 8-12. I just don't see why everyone is complaining. Also presuming GSL price increase is a little stupid. Until there is verification of GSL price increase please keep your presumptions out of a complaint, it just really makes you look like you are emotionally backing your argument instead of factually.
Also wtf. Matches that count won't be until the end? Isn't it like.. you know, all counted in the end? It's kinda like NASL isn't it? Like the best scores go to the final. Anyways, I could be wrong. But you're saying you watch competitive SC2 to see people get knocked out? I watch competitive SC2 to entertain myself. I really don't care who wins or loses(except if CrunCher wins), as long as I can see a good match, I'm happy. I know a lot of people only tune into specific matches to see if their favourite player wins, but I don't see how this effects them because they'll only watch the LQ stream because buying a pass just to watch one player who could be knocked out in his first round is just stupid.
Some of you guys really need to get some ass action because your ass' are way too tight.
On June 18 2011 06:24 Primadog wrote: Friends, stop being so ridiculus.
We wanted more foreigners in GSL, so GOM gave away Code A/S spots. We want to see a foreigner team in GSTL, so GOM invited and accommodated FXOpen. We asked GOM to blow up GSTL, so GOM made it into a full league.
The least we can do is chip in a bit for the prize pool?
Gom having done a lot of good doesn't change the fact that it's quite expensive. Won't be buying, will be watching any stream I have time for though.
1) It's cheaper than it used to be on a per-match basis, since the ticket buys you a lot more matches 2) It's cheaper than it used to be on a per-match basis, since the ticket buys you a lot more matches 3) dude. it's cheaper than it used to be. It's like complaining that a gallon of milk is more expensive than a quart of milk, despite the fact that the gallon is cheaper than 4 quarts would be, SO YOURE GETTING MORE STUFF FOR YOUR MONEY
this is an excellent excellent point. 10/10.
There's a little more to it in the sense that there's a lot of Starcraft to watch right now, and asking a high amount for the ticket for one specific tournament can be off-putting for some people.
Using your own comparison, let's say I can choose a gallon of milk, or one or two quarts of milk, now the gallon may provide better overall value, but there's also the aspect of the expiry date, if I only drink 1-2 quarts out of that gallon before it expires, I just wasted the rest that I could have saved by buying 2 quarts. In that sense, there are people who aren't that interested in watching every match and for that purpose the old pricing was better since if I only cared about 3-4 teams, I'd still consider the asking price adequate, but if I only care about 3-4 teams for this asking price, it's a little steeper.
It's not some ridiculous ticketing price, but it's not as simple as some people are making it out to be.
On June 18 2011 05:09 karpo wrote: They can't continue doing these shows for practically nothing forever. $25 is less than a pizza and a movie at the theater here in sweden. I'll pay cause GOM produces the best matches with the best casters.
Those comparisons are silly, refer to earlier post. If the price works for you, that's great, but drawing such comparisons to pizza and a movie is a little bizarre to me since there are dozens of other instances you could think of which would be cheaper or more expensive based on what you choose.
I'm just saying that $25 bucks for supporting GOM and getting great games is a no brainer for me. I'm not rich but that kind of money is easily spent a night out or just on garbage food/entertainment yet people cry like it's the end of the world.
Also comparing it to any kind of purchased entertainment (games/movies/books) and it's frigging cheap.
The first part is up to you, the second doesn't make sense, because you could draw plenty of examples where the value for this pales in comparison, you can get games for $20 with a hundred hours of content, a book for $10 which is 1000 pages long, a dinner for $10 or a dinner for $100. A movie for $20 or an entire season of television shows for free. There are way to many comparisons that are both good or bad that you can make in other mediums, keeping it within the realm of Starcraft or eSports is generally the best way to draw valid comparisons.
That's where I say there's so much content available for near-free/free and while GOM has always boasted some of the best production quality, I don't know if it's enough to draw me in this time around, with things like MLG, IPL, Dreamhack all available for free/near-free and the NASL on at decent hours, there's already so much Starcraft available to watch for no cost, that a ticket just doesn't seem worth it to me in comparison.
The average fresh console game (Uncharted/Dead Space/Resident Evil etc) is about 10-15 hours singleplayer for $60. The average book in pocket format is $10 and can be read through in a day or two. Going to the movies is $10-15 for the ticket alone. Buying a new DVD/BluRay is $10-15. All these things are purchasable entertainment, just like the GSTL. None of those offer as much entertainment hours / dollar. Comparing them does make sense as these are things people regularly spend cash on that they never really thing about.
Also MLG, IPL, NASL and Dreamhack does not provide the same level of play nor the same production values that GOM brings. In my opinion the GSL is where the top SC2 play is at. It to me is the premier venue and they should charge enough to keep producing awesome consistent content. (Compared to weekend tournaments and games that aren't even played live in a studio).
Today I learned two things about the TeamLiquid.net community today. First, they are whining cheapskates that do not understand the value of money and expect to get everything on the internet for a single ridiculously low price with out contemplating the actual value of it. Maybe it's because they are unemployed teenagers living with their parents and $25 is too much for them in on payment?
Secondly, some of them do not even properly appreciate the Starcraft tournament scene. I mean, all they worry about are what commentators are casting and never think about the quality of the games or the competition. They also have this expectation that the players they want and think should win should be winning all the time, and if they don't or they witness an 'upset' they complain and cry 'this tournament is shit'.
It's a shame to see the children act this way. I do hope that they learn to appreciate the right stuff about the GSL rather than their shallow idea of what the GSL should be. It does seem like the community is getting worse and worse ever since Brood War lost it's 'power' in the west. If it continues to go to shit like this I doubt that there will be enough support for events like this in the future.
On June 18 2011 05:09 karpo wrote: They can't continue doing these shows for practically nothing forever. $25 is less than a pizza and a movie at the theater here in sweden. I'll pay cause GOM produces the best matches with the best casters.
Those comparisons are silly, refer to earlier post. If the price works for you, that's great, but drawing such comparisons to pizza and a movie is a little bizarre to me since there are dozens of other instances you could think of which would be cheaper or more expensive based on what you choose.
I'm just saying that $25 bucks for supporting GOM and getting great games is a no brainer for me. I'm not rich but that kind of money is easily spent a night out or just on garbage food/entertainment yet people cry like it's the end of the world.
Also comparing it to any kind of purchased entertainment (games/movies/books) and it's frigging cheap.
The first part is up to you, the second doesn't make sense, because you could draw plenty of examples where the value for this pales in comparison, you can get games for $20 with a hundred hours of content, a book for $10 which is 1000 pages long, a dinner for $10 or a dinner for $100. A movie for $20 or an entire season of television shows for free. There are way to many comparisons that are both good or bad that you can make in other mediums, keeping it within the realm of Starcraft or eSports is generally the best way to draw valid comparisons.
That's where I say there's so much content available for near-free/free and while GOM has always boasted some of the best production quality, I don't know if it's enough to draw me in this time around, with things like MLG, IPL, Dreamhack all available for free/near-free and the NASL on at decent hours, there's already so much Starcraft available to watch for no cost, that a ticket just doesn't seem worth it to me in comparison.
The average fresh console game (Uncharted/Dead Space/Resident Evil etc) is about 10-15 hours singleplayer for $60. The average book in pocket format is $10 and can be read through in a day or two. Going to the movies is $10-15 for the ticket alone. Buying a new DVD/BluRay is $10-15. All these things are purchasable entertainment, just like the GSTL. None of those offer as much entertainment hours / dollar. Comparing them does make sense as these are things people regularly spend cash on that they never really thing about.
Also MLG, IPL, NASL and Dreamhack does not provide the same level of play nor the same production values that GOM brings. In my opinion the GSL is where the top SC2 play is at. It to me is the premier venue and they should charge enough to keep producing awesome consistent content. (Compared to weekend tournaments and games that aren't even played live in a studio).
I can watch all kinds of television shows, even recent ones for free on Hulu. Also, the "read in a day or two" is quite an interesting observation, I often take my time to read a book, and if you watched VODs back to back, you could certainly get through the entirety of the tournament in a couple of days. You can take these comparisons in many, many, many directions when you try to delve into different mediums. The average fresh console game also has a ridiculous amount of production value in comparison, if you want to compare the level of play from the events I mentioned to the GSL, might as well bring up production value.
That is what the GSL leads in, it's not always the quality of the games. The GSL is where we see a ridiculous amount of meta-gaming, all-ins and timing attacks. We've seen quite a few all-kills in the GSTL as well, the disparity is not that large if at all, I honestly considered Columbus as exciting, if not more-so, than any GSL event in recent memory and easily comparable to any GSTL event. The thing is, a team league of that sort is something that doesn't have an easy comparator, so drawing for some in other mediums doesn't work because there are so many than can be pulled for either side.
I'm buying it because I think the matches are worth it... people always spam how the GSTL games are the most epic ever. Since I don't have the time to stay up every night to watch them, the pass is worth it. Simple enough, for me at least.
GSTL is awesome and 25 bucks for 2.5 months is hardly anything. A 1-2 hour movie at the theatre is like 10 dollars just to get in. With snacks and everything you could spend 25 dollars quite easily. Once you take into account that SC2 >>>>>>>>>>>> pretty much any blockbuster movie it's absolutely worth it.
I will gladly pay 25 dollars for GSTL.
I don't even care about ads. They are 20-30 seconds at the beginning of each set.
Lol, fucked up my vote in the poll. Hit "about right won't purchase" instead of "about right will purchase"
On June 18 2011 08:33 SnipedSoul wrote: GSTL is awesome and 25 bucks for 2.5 months is hardly anything. A 1-2 hour movie at the theatre is like 10 dollars just to get in. With snacks and everything you could spend 25 dollars quite easily. Once you take into account that SC2 >>>>>>>>>>>> pretty much any blockbuster movie it's absolutely worth it.
I will gladly pay 25 dollars for GSTL.
I don't even care about ads. They are 20-30 seconds at the beginning of each set.
Lol, fucked up my vote in the poll. Hit "about right won't purchase" instead of "about right will purchase"
These comparisons are bogus, refer to earlier posts. -.-
With 35 matches that could easily be 3 hours each you are getting more then 100 hours of the best production, the best games, the best teams, the best SC2 players and the best casters that the Starcraft 2 scene has to offer. Best 25 bucks ever spent.
I really don't know if I am going to buy it or not. I am just so used to paying only 15/10 for GSL and 5 Dollars for the GSTL. I feel those prices are fair for the entertainment I will get from watching SC2. But even if there is going to be more content, there is a point where it isn't going to lead to more happiness on my part (law of diminishing marginal utility, diminishing returns).
It is kind of like the idea a few years ago where newspapers online were debating on whether to charge a subscription fee, but of course since people were so used to it being free there was no way it was going to work.
It's pretty expensive, I think I'll just try to catch them live - could OP make another poll for people who have actually purchased most of the seasons in the past?
On June 18 2011 09:08 Sixes wrote: I was all excited about the new format but I probably won't be watching it ... 245 per year for GSTL and GSL is starting to be rather significant in fact double what it used to be. Starts being more similar to that gym membership I ditched for cost reasons.
Remember how negative the idea of paying for GSL was when it was first introduced, now we accepted it. Same with this, some may get upset, but the people who love GSTL will buy it sooner or later. GSTL>>>GSL!
Remember how negative the idea of paying for GSL was when it was first introduced, now we accepted it. Same with this, some may get upset, but the people who love GSTL will buy it sooner or later. GSTL>>>GSL!
I wish there was a way to get a poll of people who have purchased the vast majority of GSL season tickets so far. Every time threads like these come up, I feel like there are a lot of people that vote no (regardless of price, and they'd probably never even buy it anyway).
It's expensive, but I'll buy it anyway. Even if it's a better deal, $25 is a harder splurge price then $5 or $10 is. It's like buying in bulk, I don't need 20 tubes of toothpaste even if it is cheaper that way.
It would really make sense for gomtv to combine the gsl and gstl into one ticket. I feel like I'm going to have to choose between them otherwise. And with all the other tournaments going on, you would think gomtv would want as much viewership as they can get.
I know it doesn't amount to much per day of content, but honestly I can't justify paying for both the gsl and gstl
On June 18 2011 09:14 godemperor wrote: From september last year, tl poll.
Will you pay for GOM's GSL stream? :
No (7692) 85% Maybe (976) 11% Yes (337) 4%
Remember how negative the idea of paying for GSL was when it was first introduced, now we accepted it. Same with this, some may get upset, but the people who love GSTL will buy it sooner or later. GSTL>>>GSL!
I wish there was a way to get a poll of people who have purchased the vast majority of GSL season tickets so far. Every time threads like these come up, I feel like there are a lot of people that vote no (regardless of price, and they'd probably never even buy it anyway).
I've bought every GSL stream so far, and I'm hesitant to buy this one. I loved the GSTL and paid $5 for 1 week of matches no problem, but $25 seems steep because I'm afraid it will fall under the NASL syndrome of "too many games I don't care about watching"
On June 18 2011 09:14 godemperor wrote: From september last year, tl poll.
Will you pay for GOM's GSL stream? :
No (7692) 85% Maybe (976) 11% Yes (337) 4%
Remember how negative the idea of paying for GSL was when it was first introduced, now we accepted it. Same with this, some may get upset, but the people who love GSTL will buy it sooner or later. GSTL>>>GSL!
I wish there was a way to get a poll of people who have purchased the vast majority of GSL season tickets so far. Every time threads like these come up, I feel like there are a lot of people that vote no (regardless of price, and they'd probably never even buy it anyway).
I've bought every GSL stream so far, and I'm hesitant to buy this one. I loved the GSTL and paid $5 for 1 week of matches no problem, but $25 seems steep because I'm afraid it will fall under the NASL syndrome of "too many games I don't care about watching"
But its the GSTL! Most of the times, even if the game were not great, the atmosphere and the player interaction are just golden! Also don't forget about the foreign players (FXO and F united, though don't think huk nor jinro will show up
This is quite pricey, but I will be buying the ticket. GSTL continues to be my favourite league, and every finals so far has gone to the last game, leading to some epic games. So excited!!
On June 17 2011 19:40 Niick wrote: Let me get this straight guys You will pay $5 for 4 days of play, but $25 for 25 days play is too much?
Hey would you look at that, a dollar a day. before you were paying $1.25.
I disagree with this comparison.
What made the previous GSTL's 4 days so good is that each day and every round matters. One team will be eliminated for sure each round. That's why, every match, every game was so intense. I guess for me, it is the same reasoning as to why the regular season tickets to NBA/NHL games are way cheaper than the Playoff's.
Because now, most of those 25 days are just normal rounds of the round robin. A win or a loss is less intense and therefore less exciting. So what if MMA comes back and does a reverse all kill against OGS and taking out MC at the 7th round? They're no where close to winning or even advancing yet, and OGS is no where close to being eliminated.
That is why, I would of even paid 10 dollars for those 4 days of the old GSTL, but I'm still considering the 25 bucks for this new one, still feels a tad too expensive for me. If they were to add a 5-10 dollar option to watch just the playoff rounds, I would definitely buy it.
The people most likely to pay to watch sc2 are hardcore fans and are most likely going to stay up to watch it live, or watch every match on the vods the day after before they see spoilers in the communities they participate in.
The people less likely to pay to watch sc2 are casual fans who won't stay up late to watch live, don't have to see every game as soon as they happen and only watch a few games of favourite players.
Therefore GOM should charge for access to the live stream and vods for a few days after they happen and then they become free to get ad money from the casual views.
Also why does the team league cost more per game then the regular gsl especially since it has a smaller prize pool then just one month of GSL? Should GOM increase the regular GSL price to match?
I definitely don't think the new GSTL is too expensive. The old GSTL was $5 for 7 BoX series. The new GSTL is $25 for 35 BoX series. Unless my math is off it's still the same price ratio as before.
If I had $10 to spare I would get a ticket. It's really not that much. Ironically enough, I do have $5 to spare, so if it was still $5 I would have gotten one. But I'm going to have to miss out.
EDIT: Oh wait, it's $25, that's quite a lot actually. They've already kind of established a month's value as $10 ($20 without ads), so that's kind of a lot.
On June 18 2011 00:32 GoBaja wrote: lol 25 bucks......how broke are TLers....even 40 isnt that bad. Even while I was in college I could afford this. I. spend twice the amount going out in the city. Stop being jews, its not like there asking you to shell out 100 s of dollars. This really a nominal fee with great production value.
How ignorant are you. Yea for the majority of american college students it isn't much. But you realize some people make much less money in other countries? Not everyone is guaranteed to make $1000/mth working at mcdonalds or even has a job of any sort.
Anyways, I probably still will purchase the pass. I just can't turn down an opportunity to watch thorzain/naniwa/fxo vs koreans. I think Moonan is megatalented and will surprise. But the price is steep. I can't help but feel they know foreigners want to watch and they think they can gouge money from us.
For the majority of american college students that is A LOT lol... most of us are broke as a joke. I don't understand what that guy was talking about. Just some ignorant kid who gets everything paid for by mommy and daddy.
As a person who works in a down economy, paid off 30k in student loans and put himself through college id like to think otherwise. There so many people who mismanage money which are probably people like you who cant even afford $25 bucks. Sorry buddy 18 units does not equate to a fulltime job. Theres plenty of opportunity out there, go find it buddy.
On June 18 2011 09:48 haxard wrote: korean vods are free right? and now they have the ability to use ads like they do in korea and they still charge. Milking the foreign scene
Because it costs significantly more to broadcast internationally....
On June 18 2011 09:48 haxard wrote: korean vods are free right? and now they have the ability to use ads like they do in korea and they still charge. Milking the foreign scene
Because it costs significantly more to broadcast internationally....
Wait, you mean the casters and translation stuff? Or the actual broadcasting? because I think you'd be mistaken on the latter.
well someone needs to pay for the FXO and the F United guys in Korea :S
If I'm going to pay for it, I'd like to see more better casters to assist Tastosis. I'd wonder how much GomTV is charging in Korea for the GSTL...
ah well, when i get drunk enarf, i might just pay for it but if i do and this new GSTL turn out to be a lackluster (*cough* NASL *cough*) i'll be forever pissed.
On June 18 2011 00:32 GoBaja wrote: lol 25 bucks......how broke are TLers....even 40 isnt that bad. Even while I was in college I could afford this. I. spend twice the amount going out in the city. Stop being jews, its not like there asking you to shell out 100 s of dollars. This really a nominal fee with great production value.
How ignorant are you. Yea for the majority of american college students it isn't much. But you realize some people make much less money in other countries? Not everyone is guaranteed to make $1000/mth working at mcdonalds or even has a job of any sort.
Anyways, I probably still will purchase the pass. I just can't turn down an opportunity to watch thorzain/naniwa/fxo vs koreans. I think Moonan is megatalented and will surprise. But the price is steep. I can't help but feel they know foreigners want to watch and they think they can gouge money from us.
For the majority of american college students that is A LOT lol... most of us are broke as a joke. I don't understand what that guy was talking about. Just some ignorant kid who gets everything paid for by mommy and daddy.
As a person who works in a down economy, paid off 30k in student loans and put himself through college id like to think otherwise. There so many people who mismanage money which are probably people like you who cant even afford $25 bucks. Sorry buddy 18 units does not equate to a fulltime job. Theres plenty of opportunity out there, go find it buddy.
Please don't judge others and their situations, you have no idea what his financial situation is.. he could be working two jobs just to support his schooling and his family or something.
On June 18 2011 00:32 GoBaja wrote: lol 25 bucks......how broke are TLers....even 40 isnt that bad. Even while I was in college I could afford this. I. spend twice the amount going out in the city. Stop being jews, its not like there asking you to shell out 100 s of dollars. This really a nominal fee with great production value.
How ignorant are you. Yea for the majority of american college students it isn't much. But you realize some people make much less money in other countries? Not everyone is guaranteed to make $1000/mth working at mcdonalds or even has a job of any sort.
Anyways, I probably still will purchase the pass. I just can't turn down an opportunity to watch thorzain/naniwa/fxo vs koreans. I think Moonan is megatalented and will surprise. But the price is steep. I can't help but feel they know foreigners want to watch and they think they can gouge money from us.
For the majority of american college students that is A LOT lol... most of us are broke as a joke. I don't understand what that guy was talking about. Just some ignorant kid who gets everything paid for by mommy and daddy.
As a person who works in a down economy, paid off 30k in student loans and put himself through college id like to think otherwise. There so many people who mismanage money which are probably people like you who cant even afford $25 bucks. Sorry buddy 18 units does not equate to a fulltime job. Theres plenty of opportunity out there, go find it buddy.
Please don't judge others and their situations, you have no idea what his financial situation is.. he could be working two jobs just to support his schooling and his family or something.
Still, he's arguing about something completely fair. Shit costs money because they need money to produce more shit. If we went by the same prices as the last gstls then this is a completely 100% fair price.
I honestly have no idea what people are complaining about.
On June 18 2011 00:32 GoBaja wrote: lol 25 bucks......how broke are TLers....even 40 isnt that bad. Even while I was in college I could afford this. I. spend twice the amount going out in the city. Stop being jews, its not like there asking you to shell out 100 s of dollars. This really a nominal fee with great production value.
How ignorant are you. Yea for the majority of american college students it isn't much. But you realize some people make much less money in other countries? Not everyone is guaranteed to make $1000/mth working at mcdonalds or even has a job of any sort.
Anyways, I probably still will purchase the pass. I just can't turn down an opportunity to watch thorzain/naniwa/fxo vs koreans. I think Moonan is megatalented and will surprise. But the price is steep. I can't help but feel they know foreigners want to watch and they think they can gouge money from us.
For the majority of american college students that is A LOT lol... most of us are broke as a joke. I don't understand what that guy was talking about. Just some ignorant kid who gets everything paid for by mommy and daddy.
As a person who works in a down economy, paid off 30k in student loans and put himself through college id like to think otherwise. There so many people who mismanage money which are probably people like you who cant even afford $25 bucks. Sorry buddy 18 units does not equate to a fulltime job. Theres plenty of opportunity out there, go find it buddy.
Please don't judge others and their situations, you have no idea what his financial situation is.. he could be working two jobs just to support his schooling and his family or something.
He could also be homeless without a job. What does that have to do with anything? We're discussing whether the price here is fair; I don't see why GSL should be a charity all of a sudden.
Fact is, GOM has been very reasonable in the past (they lowered the original price of a season ticket at season 1.) Based on the math, I see nothing outrageous here. The only thing that makes me raise my eyebrows is the $40 ad-free package, which I doubt will be very popular unless they lower that price or create some sort of bundle. However, I don't consider anything done 'unfair' to the viewers, and ultimately we have a wide range of options to fit most needs.
If you're jobless with no income, there's always the free stream option?
Oh ya I realized that GOM really needs to have different pricing per territory. There is a reason Blizzard always talks about how they need to have the different pricing in different countries.
In Russia, for instance, researchers noted that legal versions of the film The Dark Knight went for $15. That price, akin to what a US buyer would pay, might sound reasonable until you realize that Russians make less money in a year than US workers. As a percentage of their wages, that $15 price is actually equivalent to a US consumer dropping $75 on the film
GOM could make more money from places like Russia if they adjusted the prices per country so that it is the same percentage of their wages most likely. I hope they realize this so they can make that extra money for esports.
On June 18 2011 00:32 GoBaja wrote: lol 25 bucks......how broke are TLers....even 40 isnt that bad. Even while I was in college I could afford this. I. spend twice the amount going out in the city. Stop being jews, its not like there asking you to shell out 100 s of dollars. This really a nominal fee with great production value.
How ignorant are you. Yea for the majority of american college students it isn't much. But you realize some people make much less money in other countries? Not everyone is guaranteed to make $1000/mth working at mcdonalds or even has a job of any sort.
Anyways, I probably still will purchase the pass. I just can't turn down an opportunity to watch thorzain/naniwa/fxo vs koreans. I think Moonan is megatalented and will surprise. But the price is steep. I can't help but feel they know foreigners want to watch and they think they can gouge money from us.
For the majority of american college students that is A LOT lol... most of us are broke as a joke. I don't understand what that guy was talking about. Just some ignorant kid who gets everything paid for by mommy and daddy.
As a person who works in a down economy, paid off 30k in student loans and put himself through college id like to think otherwise. There so many people who mismanage money which are probably people like you who cant even afford $25 bucks. Sorry buddy 18 units does not equate to a fulltime job. Theres plenty of opportunity out there, go find it buddy.
Please don't judge others and their situations, you have no idea what his financial situation is.. he could be working two jobs just to support his schooling and his family or something.
But hes allowed to judge me because im being responsible? Look the original argument is whether or not $25/$40 is justified, which in my opinion it is.
It's .71cents per game in this format and .71cents a game in the old format. Those saying it's too expensive probably couldn't afford it when it was 10$ a week either.
I really liked the old format and price, dunno if I can stay hyped for that long tbh(ie. NASL)
Also as a loyal Gomtv supporter I would like to see a package deal emerge within the next few months. Having to buy so many different tickets makes it convenient for those who don't watch all the different leagues but as a huge fan of GomTV and especially tastosis I watch all of them and I'd rather not have to purchase 3 different types of tickets.
On June 18 2011 10:51 dANiELcanuck wrote: It's .71cents per game in this format and .71cents a game in the old format. Those saying it's too expensive probably couldn't afford it when it was 10$ a week either.
But why does a team game cost .71 cents a game when the regular GSL cost less per game? I think they need to raise the regular GSL price to whatever .71 cents a game is since people are clearly willing to pay for it.
Why don't MLG and dreamhack charge money for games I think they should charge to watch the livestream at about .71 cents/game streamed.
On June 18 2011 10:51 dANiELcanuck wrote: It's .71cents per game in this format and .71cents a game in the old format. Those saying it's too expensive probably couldn't afford it when it was 10$ a week either.
But why does a team game cost .71 cents a game when the regular GSL cost less per game? I think they need to raise the regular GSL price to whatever .71 cents a game is since people are clearly willing to pay for it.
Why don't MLG and dreamhack charge money for games I think they should charge to watch the livestream at about .71 cents/game streamed.
Team league games are generally of higher quality than many individual league games and thus are in higher demand, so the price can naturally be higher without too much loss.
Also, MLG and Dreamhack operate on a completely different business model than GOM, with their revenues coming from different sources.
On June 18 2011 10:51 dANiELcanuck wrote: It's .71cents per game in this format and .71cents a game in the old format. Those saying it's too expensive probably couldn't afford it when it was 10$ a week either.
But why does a team game cost .71 cents a game when the regular GSL cost less per game? I think they need to raise the regular GSL price to whatever .71 cents a game is since people are clearly willing to pay for it.
Why don't MLG and dreamhack charge money for games I think they should charge to watch the livestream at about .71 cents/game streamed.
personally I think the GSTL games are much better and way more entertaining
not just that, but every day has something to look forward to while some days of the GSL tournament we'd have pretty lackluster groups in both code S and code A
$25 seems slightly too high... I think $20 would be better.
With 20$ I'd buy it for sure. $25 has me sitting on the fence for now. I'll probably just tune in live and see how it goes before I decide to buy it or not.
Gomtv just needs to do a monthly subscription model much like Netflix, Hulu, etc. I bet more people would be willing to pay $8.99-9.99 per month for gomtv (which would actually be $27 for the GSTL so more money for Gom). If I was Gom I'd be doing more research as to what pricing model would be the most effective, especially when they have a free survey outlet like TL (see: this thread).
I would say a similar model as HBO. Does HBO charge per episode or per season of entourage? No, they charge a set fee (under $10) per month. I think gom has a unique opportunity to be the ONLY SC2 tournament in the world to offer content EVERY month and justify the monthly subscription model.
Note that I could be completely wrong, but I still think they should be surveying the community or looking at the numbers internally (which I'm sure they are already).
On June 18 2011 10:51 dANiELcanuck wrote: It's .71cents per game in this format and .71cents a game in the old format. Those saying it's too expensive probably couldn't afford it when it was 10$ a week either.
But why does a team game cost .71 cents a game when the regular GSL cost less per game? I think they need to raise the regular GSL price to whatever .71 cents a game is since people are clearly willing to pay for it.
Why don't MLG and dreamhack charge money for games I think they should charge to watch the livestream at about .71 cents/game streamed.
personally I think the GSTL games are much better and way more entertaining
not just that, but every day has something to look forward to while some days of the GSL tournament we'd have pretty lackluster groups in both code S and code A
But we are going to see 5 games each of FXO, zenex, fou, NS. Will zenex vs fou during the group stage be able to keep that same quality there is going to be a friday where that is the only match. And then next friday we might only get to see IM all kill HS. Don't see why these will be more exciting then the individual league, we've seen from NASL how a group stage over the weeks can be less interesting then knockout games.
On June 18 2011 11:48 AdreN- wrote: Gomtv just needs to do a monthly subscription model much like Netflix, Hulu, etc. I bet more people would be willing to pay $8.99-9.99 per month for gomtv (which would actually be $27 for the GSTL so more money for Gom). If I was Gom I'd be doing more research as to what pricing model would be the most effective, especially when they have a free survey outlet like TL (see: this thread).
I would say a similar model as HBO. Does HBO charge per episode or per season of entourage? No, they charge a set fee (under $10) per month. I think gom has a unique opportunity to be the ONLY SC2 tournament in the world to offer content EVERY month and justify the monthly subscription model.
Note that I could be completely wrong, but I still think they should be surveying the community or looking at the numbers internally (which I'm sure they are already).
I agree. For me, the problem isn't the money over a three month period. It's the payment of $25 + whatever the gsl price is at the same time.
Sure it's a good deal when you average it out over the amount of content you're getting, but for someone like me who's in college, frankly it can be tough to get $35 together just to watch starcraft.
All these $/Game arguments are so ridiculous! If a Tournament has 1000 Bad Games for 10$ its a great deal? We don't know how good the new GSTL Format works! Maybe it's boring as hell, like NASL :p I think I'll try to catch GSL Live/Download the VODs somewhere and buy only the 1on1 Seasons.
Beginning to wonder how TL members pay for their computing equipment?
You seriously can't fork over 25 bucks? Did you guys need a year saved up before getting SC2??
Seriously the GSTL has the greatest variety of matchups, less build order losses due to players studying each other too excessively, and greater entertainment value.
Please tell me where you can spend 25 bucks that offers more bang for your buck than GSTl?
Please tell me where you can spend 25 bucks that offers more bang for your buck than GSTl?
NASL, regular GSL, netflix. MLG dreamhack IEM are free but maybe buy the high def tickets to support esports.
I'm going to get it anyways I think Gom and all the western tournaments should be charging more for everything especially live streams. Just saying its not the best deal in the world especially if days like fou vs zenex end up not being so hot.
Also I posted a link somewhere that in Russia 15 dollars the same as 75 dollars here as a percentage of wages. So people from poor countries might wanna spend there 100 dollars on food and shelter. (GOM needs to price it lower in these places so they don't pirate and charge 1st world more for GSL)
I'll buy it with ads...but this is too expensive. This definitely made me reconsider, and I can't watch live so I have to watch vods, so not buying the pass would mean I wouldn't get to watch it at all. I know it's a longer season and all, and it's so restrictive on how you can watch (GOM Player only), you can download NASL in file format.
On June 18 2011 13:37 MikeC_81 wrote: Beginning to wonder how TL members pay for their computing equipment?
You seriously can't fork over 25 bucks? Did you guys need a year saved up before getting SC2??
Seriously the GSTL has the greatest variety of matchups, less build order losses due to players studying each other too excessively, and greater entertainment value.
Please tell me where you can spend 25 bucks that offers more bang for your buck than GSTl?
This.
GSTL has the highest concentration of high level players.
On June 18 2011 13:37 MikeC_81 wrote: Beginning to wonder how TL members pay for their computing equipment?
You seriously can't fork over 25 bucks? Did you guys need a year saved up before getting SC2??
Seriously the GSTL has the greatest variety of matchups, less build order losses due to players studying each other too excessively, and greater entertainment value.
Please tell me where you can spend 25 bucks that offers more bang for your buck than GSTl?
This.
GSTL has the highest concentration of high level players.
No way with FXO zenex fou and HS taking up a lot of days. The old GSTL was but I don't think this will be much more concentrated entertainment or high level play then other tournaments. It costs more then others per game but it is at a fair price so other tournaments should be raising their prices to match this fair price.
Is it expensive compared to the previous GSL season tickets? Absolutely. But it's still cheap as free compared to X hours' worth of movies, casual games or other forms of entertainment. So yeah, I'll buy it.
wow, the majority of the people taking this poll are cheap as hell. then again it's not that surprising since everyone is used to things being free in this age of pirating. i'm definitely paying for this season of gstl.
There is way too much competition for this price point in my opinion. Especially since the games occur while I'm asleep. It will be exciting at times, but so is some of the free events. And many of the best players now appear elsewhere.
Too expensive, but will pay for it cause I never got the opportunity to watch a lot of Teamleague while school was still going on. I guess I'll tolerate the ads
On June 18 2011 14:35 IrrasO wrote: wow, the majority of the people taking this poll are cheap as hell. then again it's not that surprising since everyone is used to things being free in this age of pirating. i'm definitely paying for this season of gstl.
On June 18 2011 14:43 Irrelevant wrote: Cheaper than previous seasons of GSTL and no one ever complained about that.
Depends on how you look at it tho. Cheaper per games. But the quality of the games will be less epic because there will be a "regular season" and then play offs. The regular season will have less at stake. It's the same reason why regular season tickets for NHL/NBA are cheaper than Playoffs
Because of the atrocious quality of GSL when compared to things like IPL, EGMC, MLG, etc. I don't think I'll be getting these until they up the quality (when I say quality, I literally mean resolution, not production value and such).
For the people that are saying that others are being cheapskates about this. You have to realize, it isn't JUST 25 bucks. You're assuming this is like the only thing we're gonna pay for or something. In reality, we're paying for a lot of other stuff.
For me personally, if i were to buy this I would be paying for $25 every 3 months, then $15 per month for the regular season GSL, then $25 every 3 months for NASL then $15 dollar for MLG every month or so. I also play WoW (as is 11million other people), so that's another $15 per month. Then it's $60 per year for a SC2 expansion. And if they release another WoW expansion, or Diablo 3, that's another $60. Let's pray to god my keyboard, mouse, mic, headphones, etc don't break. This is JUST for gaming.
Now include my cell phone bill, which even if I don't over use it, comes out to about $30 per month. Add in the standard necessity costs like travel expenses, hair cuts, etc etc, it comes out to quite a lot for your average college student that works 2-3 days part-time on the weekends (which a lot of the audience are).
Im indecisive on this one. I didnt mind paying 20 a month for the Full GSL schedule but there really is too much to watch. If I buy the regular season and the GSTL Im spending almost 30 a month on just korean SC2 vods. Then theres the NASL and other purchases and my cell bill :/
Well, I guess this is just as good of a time as any to stop watching GSTL. Hell, this price point might actually makes me bitter enough to not buy any other gomtv season pass.
If they start to cut matches out of the normal GSL (ie not broadcast some of them) I feel that they should lower the price. The price they have for the normal GSL season is fair and it's been around for so long that if they cut matches without cutting the price it would seem really unreasonable and quite greedy to be honest.
WTH is up with "Too expensive, will purchase"? If it really was too expensive, you wouldn't buy it. Is this the option saying: "Price is ok, but please lower". What is 'too' expensive about it? I just don't understand.
On June 18 2011 23:57 ABPID wrote: WTH is up with "Too expensive, will purchase"? If it really was too expensive, you wouldn't buy it. Is this the option saying: "Price is ok, but please lower". What is 'too' expensive about it? I just don't understand.
If you are Bill Gates and you are willing to spend $1000 for a GSL season, you would vote "too expensive, will purchase". I personally think it's too much but I'm in college and don't really have anything else to spend my money on, so that's what I voted.
On June 18 2011 10:47 coolcor wrote: Oh ya I realized that GOM really needs to have different pricing per territory. There is a reason Blizzard always talks about how they need to have the different pricing in different countries.
In Russia, for instance, researchers noted that legal versions of the film The Dark Knight went for $15. That price, akin to what a US buyer would pay, might sound reasonable until you realize that Russians make less money in a year than US workers. As a percentage of their wages, that $15 price is actually equivalent to a US consumer dropping $75 on the film
GOM could make more money from places like Russia if they adjusted the prices per country so that it is the same percentage of their wages most likely. I hope they realize this so they can make that extra money for esports.
That's pretty fucked up considering people in America make such a wide stratification of income. Maybe there's some Americans who make the same amount of money as the average income in Russia. Shouldn't the prices be lowered for those Americans, by the same logic?
Long story short, I've never bought a GSL pass and I never will. If I really want to watch it I'll stay up late and watch it for free, but honestly I just don't care at all about that scene. I'd rather send my money to American pro-gamers, thanks.
GSTL #2 is the only thing I have bought from GOM at all because I was tired of staying up late, but loved the team league.
Even I think it's not worth it. I knew they'd catch on and start price gouging the diehards eventually, but was hoping it'd only be for the main leagues I really don't care about anymore.
The problem with the argument that I would be getting more bang for my buck from my perspective is that I'm really only interested in the Quarters/Semis/Finals and not so much the rest of the GSTL tournament. The fact that I'd be getting 2+ extra months of content is largely irrelevant for me.
It's like the NASL, I watched a handful of games during the regular season (probably less than 5% of the total number of games) but have seen every playoff game so far.
If GomTV provided a playoff-only package for the GSTL for a fraction of the total ticket price, I'd probably buy that.
Less games and more expensive? Their bottom line must really be bleak. I think they overspend pretty badly--the GSL finals are always in half filled convention centers. I'd pay if it was a normal tournament. Since when did team leagues become important?
I already feel scammed when the last gstl was only code A casters... here gom: guarantee me that tastosis will cast every single match of GSTL and ill pay $25, otherwise no dice.
Slightly off topic but it doesn't warrant its own thread:
GOM's website says their is a live event later tonight but I don't see it on the TL calendar and none of the Code A or Code S brackets have been revealed yet. Is it an error on their part?
Only thing i really care about is the caster schedule, it dosent really matter if tastosis isnt casting 100% but they should ATleast do 50%+ for my to pay the ticket and they should post whos casting somewhere...
On June 19 2011 16:26 Hesse wrote: Less games and more expensive? Their bottom line must really be bleak. I think they overspend pretty badly--the GSL finals are always in half filled convention centers. I'd pay if it was a normal tournament. Since when did team leagues become important?
WHy do people bother posting after not even reading the full OP, much less the thread? It's more games for less money/game. And you must've not followed BW scene at all if you dont think team leagues are important lol
I personally am still split on whether or not I will get it. On one hand, its only $25 for what, like 3 months of awesome games from the teamleague. However; my biggest problem with paying that is that as far as I know thats on top of what I'm already paying for the GSL. If you look at the schedule, there making it now 3 gsls in the next 3 months, with the gstl ending around a week earlier. That means that if I want to watch all of the gsl+gstl I will be paying $55 for the next 3 months. That is where my big problem comes in, it goes away from $10 a month, getting close to $20.
Am I confused on the pricing or am I correct. Do they have some sort of bundle to get the regular tournament with it or no? I'm actually struggling with the decision, and any input would be welcome.
I won't buy it (after having purchased several GS(T)L tickets in the past); reason isn't the price but the huge span of time this new GSTL covers.
I liked the old four-day model because I could follow the whole thing comfortably on the weekend, cherry-pick the best games to watch from LR threads and be finished with it. There's so much content available currently that it's getting really hard to filter out the interesting stuff, and I can't really bother any more to follow all those leagues spanning weeks or months. It was nice last year when all was new but right now, I just want to see good games and results in a reasonable time frame without having to track progress / groups / standings to know what's happening.
tl;dr: Longer GSTL makes it harder for me to follow; liked older, short GSTL better; won't buy ticket.
I am definitely buying these tickets. GSTL is amazing, especially when you get up to the 7th set, and everything is on the line.
For those of you who don't know, the new format is as follows:
On June 20 2011 15:55 GOMTV wrote:
The Format
GSTL will be broadcasted twice a week on Thursday and Friday
12 teams will be participating. The league will be divided into two groups
Groups that play on Thursdays will be in the Jupiter league and groups that play on Fridays will be in the Venus league. *In Korea, Thursday is called the day of Jupiter and Friday is called the day of Venus.
The Jupiter League includes: SlayerS, TSL, oGs, MVP, PRIME, F.United
The Venus League includes: IM, StarTale, fOu, Zenex, NS, FXOpen e-Sports
Each team will play every team of its group once, this process will take 10 weeks.
This group stage will be called the “Pennant Race”
Once the Pennant Race is over, the top 3 teams from each group will advance to the Play-offs
Ranking will be decided using the following factors in order: Number of Wins -> Number of Set Losses -> If two teams have same number of wins and set losses, the winner of the two from the pennant race match will receive a higher ranking -> Number of Warnings Received
The Pennant Race will be best Bo7, Play-offs and finals Bo9. “King of the hill”-type format.
Please stop making poll threads without putting proper thought into designing the actual poll. makes me cringe every single time. How can you look at this poll and not have it scream bias in your face? How can you then look at the poll and give it's results any value?
Where is the option for it being a bargain/a steal. And where is the option to blanco vote?
First should be really obvious, I'll explain the second because I think that might be because my country always does that in elections but it's not a global thing, not sure on that though.
Blanco vote is used so that you can register voters, who do put thoughts into picking a result, but then come to the conclusion they can't or they won't. What happens is that when you get people who show up but vote blanco, it means they do care but they say for example, I cannot (I'm not qualified) to make a good decision here or I really don't give a shit what the result is but I do care about the topic.
In addition to that, the results you get are not taken against the total pool of players who vote for one of the solutions, but against the total pool of voters period. I believe this gives a poll the ability to allow for more accuracy, less votes that are deluded or influenced and thus makes it overall more meaningful and useful to pursue.
I want to pick, it's cheap and I'm buying. I can't. Do I now pick other? But then my buddy think it's also cheap but isn't buying it. Does he also pick other? What does other represent now? Do I want my opinion to fall in this ambiguous basket? Will I make the decision to then not handle the voting this way and choose an option that is the closest, like it's ok and buying it? Not only is that inaccurate because my real vote loses its value, when a group of people handles their vote in this manner, they don't all do it the same. Their votes get randomly spread over the different options. All those then lose it's value.
In general, when you add other as an option to the poll you are basically saying, I don't care if there are other options that I should include, I'm not gonna bother to give it any thought to think about if the votes contained in other are their own vote and should be included independently.
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I'd buy it if it wasn't for the price. Not that I think that 25 dolars for three months is a lot(heck, I bought NASL), but for my current situation, I can't really get a paypal to spend 25 dollars on - before I had full access to a relate's paypal.
Soo yeah, no GSTL for me. Not like I actually have time to watch it anyways.
I now purchased the ticket for the full price (ad-free). So I give it a shot. If I am disappointed, I can pass the next seasons.
I hope for a good story line within a BO7 series, within the group stage and within the playoffs. I hope for all-kills and reverse all-kills. I hope to see some champions fall while other prevail, I hope to see new players rise.
As for now, the main story line is of course the fate of SlayerS. Can the champion well in the group stage?
But I am concerned about the long group phase. I am afraid this will water down the matches. In the old format, every BO7 would eliminate one team. It was so tense. Every mistake could lead to defeat. Every single match won really counted. Now there is more leeway. Bad performance versus one team can be compensated with good performance versus another team.
Also I remember the rise of SlayerS in GSTL February. No-one expected them in the finals. If there is a group stage now and an underdog performs well, he no longer is the underdog in the finals.
On June 20 2011 21:50 LetoAtreides82 wrote: The Super Tournament was just $10, why is the GSTL 2.5 times more expensive than that? I'm skipping this one.
On June 17 2011 20:47 TheSilverfox wrote: Let me get this straight:
You will see Jinro and HuK compete together with the oGs team and together with Zenio and MC crush some other teams. I for one would like to see the return of the almighty Jinro!
You will see the return of IM in the team league with Losira, MVP and the best player in the world - NesTea
You will see a lot ceremonies from the MVP team as well as DongRaeGu
You will see Cella a lot with the SlayerS team - and maybe even a BoxeR all-kill!
You will see the manner zerg Sheth showing his skill against top Koreans.
You will see the rest of the FXO team in their fight against the worlds best players.
You will see Thorzain and Naniwa and even possibly the great Swedish protoss SaSe (he's got a Code A spot) against the best players in the world!
You can watch GSTL two days a week during the entire summer.
This for the cost of $25 or $40 without ads.
Just take my money GOMTV!
Hehe nice post You should do PR for GOM! Personally, I'll definitely be buying the ticket for all of the reasons that you listed. Though I will say that I will be a saaaaad panda if tastosis doesn't cast 90% + of the games :p
On June 20 2011 20:51 legatus legionis wrote: Please stop making poll threads without putting proper thought into designing the actual poll. makes me cringe every single time. How can you look at this poll and not have it scream bias in your face? How can you then look at the poll and give it's results any value?
Where is the option for it being a bargain/a steal. And where is the option to blanco vote?
First should be really obvious, I'll explain the second because I think that might be because my country always does that in elections but it's not a global thing, not sure on that though.
Blanco vote is used so that you can register voters, who do put thoughts into picking a result, but then come to the conclusion they can't or they won't. What happens is that when you get people who show up but vote blanco, it means they do care but they say for example, I cannot (I'm not qualified) to make a good decision here or I really don't give a shit what the result is but I do care about the topic.
In addition to that, the results you get are not taken against the total pool of players who vote for one of the solutions, but against the total pool of voters period. I believe this gives a poll the ability to allow for more accuracy, less votes that are deluded or influenced and thus makes it overall more meaningful and useful to pursue.
I want to pick, it's cheap and I'm buying. I can't. Do I now pick other? But then my buddy think it's also cheap but isn't buying it. Does he also pick other? What does other represent now? Do I want my opinion to fall in this ambiguous basket? Will I make the decision to then not handle the voting this way and choose an option that is the closest, like it's ok and buying it? Not only is that inaccurate because my real vote loses its value, when a group of people handles their vote in this manner, they don't all do it the same. Their votes get randomly spread over the different options. All those then lose it's value.
In general, when you add other as an option to the poll you are basically saying, I don't care if there are other options that I should include, I'm not gonna bother to give it any thought to think about if the votes contained in other are their own vote and should be included independently.
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On June 20 2011 20:51 legatus legionis wrote: Please stop making poll threads without putting proper thought into designing the actual poll. makes me cringe every single time. How can you look at this poll and not have it scream bias in your face? How can you then look at the poll and give it's results any value?
Where is the option for it being a bargain/a steal. And where is the option to blanco vote?
First should be really obvious, I'll explain the second because I think that might be because my country always does that in elections but it's not a global thing, not sure on that though.
Blanco vote is used so that you can register voters, who do put thoughts into picking a result, but then come to the conclusion they can't or they won't. What happens is that when you get people who show up but vote blanco, it means they do care but they say for example, I cannot (I'm not qualified) to make a good decision here or I really don't give a shit what the result is but I do care about the topic.
In addition to that, the results you get are not taken against the total pool of players who vote for one of the solutions, but against the total pool of voters period. I believe this gives a poll the ability to allow for more accuracy, less votes that are deluded or influenced and thus makes it overall more meaningful and useful to pursue.
I want to pick, it's cheap and I'm buying. I can't. Do I now pick other? But then my buddy think it's also cheap but isn't buying it. Does he also pick other? What does other represent now? Do I want my opinion to fall in this ambiguous basket? Will I make the decision to then not handle the voting this way and choose an option that is the closest, like it's ok and buying it? Not only is that inaccurate because my real vote loses its value, when a group of people handles their vote in this manner, they don't all do it the same. Their votes get randomly spread over the different options. All those then lose it's value.
In general, when you add other as an option to the poll you are basically saying, I don't care if there are other options that I should include, I'm not gonna bother to give it any thought to think about if the votes contained in other are their own vote and should be included independently.
[] You liked reading this, thought it was very informative and will try to challenge other people in the future to pursue some of the goals explained in the post above. [] Other
I added the poll much later at someone's request. The intention of the thread wasn't to be a 500 page whine fest but instead pointing out how expensive the GSTL could be considered relative to before. I'll say that again. RELATIVE TO BEFORE.
Notice how the poll options cover the majority of those who answered. If people had a problem they should answer Other and do a post like yours explaining how they feel.
Cheap = about right. The GSTL price has not gone down, so RELATIVE TO BEFORE it is either about the same or more expensive as a feeling when buying. The poll is to see whether people agree it feels expensive.
I could have ten million poll options and not cover the range of feeling. The ones I did choose seem adequate for most but your complaint is valid and if you care that much you should make a new thread.
Doesn't really matter why or when something is created when we are talking about what that something is or should be.
I explained why that could be with two different points, not having the blanco vote and missing options. On that second point, I don't agree with that mentality, it shouldn't be something to strive for atleast, you are saying pretty much the exact same there as I did with my last point regarding shoving the option "other" in there and then just not caring.
I don't think cheap = about right. Not only is about right not a measurement because it's objective (sort of right, decently ok) but just because it actually is cheap doesn't mean that although that is arguably "ok", it suddenly isn't cheap anymore. It's still cheap, people are gonna feel it's cheap, and I think those people should have the option to express that feeling. Just like those who feel it is not cheap, can express their feeling that it is not cheap. As opposed to having. Expensive = about right etc.
A certain price might not have gone down, but it's a completely different product. Therefore, it didn't have a price before. So it cannot have gone down or up. For establishing what people feel about this new product and it's price, you cannot just dismiss this. This is arguably what I feel the most strong about. It's simply not comparable on a monetary value or span of the event, basis. Starting off on this premise, judging something without really looking at what it is.
"The poll is to see wether people agree it's expensive." So you have no problem saying it's intentionally biased. Yet present it as if it isn't, otherwise you would have made a poll asking if they agree with you that it's expensive or if they don't agree with you that it's expensive. All the additional options don't serve towards your goal. Makes me feel they are part of a ruse. I have a problem with things like that personally.
I cannot respond to the last paragraph. It's like only comprised of fallacies.
I talked about the gstl pricing with my buddies. They bought all the previous gsl passes. B/c of the pricing, they will either split the cost and share an account or watch/download vods from the site i've recently discovered.
The price isn't that different saying it goes for so long. I was hesitant at first, but after getting my ticket I am happy I did. Team League is always more fun to watch.
This is actually the 1st season of any GSL that I will buy, as previous seasons have held GSTL have far superior games than the GSL. Although I would prefer it to be 20$, I don't think its outrageous.
I am glad to see this kind of results of the poll, maybe this will change the minds of GSL like we did in the first qualifying season when they didn't even want to put up a free stream.
The problem with people are the highest it goes, the harder it is to pay for at once. For example you can pay for Xbox Live monthly for 5$ (Forgot actual price), but many people can't actually pay 50$ at once for 12 months, even though you save money in the end.
Paying 5$ for GSTL is fine and pretty easy to find in a budget, no matter how much content they give you. Finding 30$ in a budget is much harder.
Edit: Just my opinon on the whole paying for thing, you can watch most shows on TV if you miss them on Hulu for free and legally (Maybe other countries don't have the same), but to watch a game of SC2 if I miss it live, I have to pay money for... pretty stupid if you ask me. I can tell my buddy to check out the latest episode of CSI because it is sick, but if I want to tell my buddy to go watch TheBest vs MarineKing (trollol), they have to pay money. Luckily for myself I can stay up at 5AM every night and catch them live, so no money has to come out of my pocket.
Hmm I will have to wait and watch the first 2 days live before I decide what I will do. Depends on casters, length of matches, my freetime outside of SC2, how I want to spend my time watching SC2, and many other small but impactful pieces.
On June 21 2011 04:46 ImHuko wrote: Edit: Just my opinon on the whole paying for thing, you can watch most shows on TV if you miss them on Hulu for free and legally (Maybe other countries don't have the same), but to watch a game of SC2 if I miss it live, I have to pay money for... pretty stupid if you ask me. I can tell my buddy to check out the latest episode of CSI because it is sick, but if I want to tell my buddy to go watch TheBest vs MarineKing (trollol), they have to pay money. Luckily for myself I can stay up at 5AM every night and catch them live, so no money has to come out of my pocket.
TV shows have enough exposure with ads/dvd box sales that they can afford it. Well produced SC2 content does not.
On June 21 2011 04:46 ImHuko wrote: Edit: Just my opinon on the whole paying for thing, you can watch most shows on TV if you miss them on Hulu for free and legally (Maybe other countries don't have the same), but to watch a game of SC2 if I miss it live, I have to pay money for... pretty stupid if you ask me. I can tell my buddy to check out the latest episode of CSI because it is sick, but if I want to tell my buddy to go watch TheBest vs MarineKing (trollol), they have to pay money. Luckily for myself I can stay up at 5AM every night and catch them live, so no money has to come out of my pocket.
TV shows have enough exposure with ads/dvd box sales that they can afford it. Well produced SC2 content does not.
Samsung, G.Skill, and Coke exist all around the world, I don't understand why we don't watch commercials instead of seeing the same GomTV intro we've seen since Avertac Intel Classic in BW. Play some damn commercials in the VODs, I don't care.
I just don't like the fact I can't tell my buddy to go watch a SC2 match that he might actually be interested in. I got him watching some of the Avertac Intel Classic because he thought Tasteless was hilarious, I couldn't get him to do the same now a days.
On June 21 2011 04:46 ImHuko wrote: Edit: Just my opinon on the whole paying for thing, you can watch most shows on TV if you miss them on Hulu for free and legally (Maybe other countries don't have the same), but to watch a game of SC2 if I miss it live, I have to pay money for... pretty stupid if you ask me. I can tell my buddy to check out the latest episode of CSI because it is sick, but if I want to tell my buddy to go watch TheBest vs MarineKing (trollol), they have to pay money. Luckily for myself I can stay up at 5AM every night and catch them live, so no money has to come out of my pocket.
TV shows have enough exposure with ads/dvd box sales that they can afford it. Well produced SC2 content does not.
Samsung, G.Skill, and Coke exist all around the world, I don't understand why we don't watch commercials instead of seeing the same GomTV intro we've seen since Avertac Intel Classic in BW. Play some damn commercials in the VODs, I don't care.
I just don't like the fact I can't tell my buddy to go watch a SC2 match that he might actually be interested in. I got him watching some of the Avertac Intel Classic because he thought Tasteless was hilarious, I couldn't get him to do the same now a days.
Commercials would help with adding money for GOM but i'm pretty sure the amount of money Samsung and G.Skill are willing to pay for these commercials are nothing compared to overall production costs. Commercials on regular broadcast TV reach a much broader audience with everything from LCD TV's to toilet paper. SC2 fans are not the key demographic.
And don't forget dvd box sales, those probably account for a huge part of the revenue from TV-series.
It's just not feasible that your friend should just be able to watch any game from GOM for free. Even with ads it still wont cover all the costs.
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Honestly I'd pay a lot more. GSL sustains my happiness. I watch that instead of doing other stuff which would cost me a LOT more money overall and would make me much less happy :-D
I'm employed and make a pretty good salary,and I still think its kinda high. If you look at it, with 92,000 viewers for the super tournament VOD X 25.00 per subscription, thats 2.3 million dollars + sponsorships. I'm all for E-Sports growing and viewing a quality product... but this seems like a killing to me. Maybe I'm wrong here...
On June 22 2011 01:07 Souljah wrote: I'm employed and make a pretty good salary,and I still think its kinda high. If you look at it, with 92,000 viewers for the super tournament VOD X 25.00 per subscription, thats 2.3 million dollars + sponsorships. I'm all for E-Sports growing and viewing a quality product... but this seems like a killing to me. Maybe I'm wrong here...
92k viewers doesn't mean 92k people bought the pass. I am sure there are plenty of people that just watch it live.
On June 22 2011 01:07 Souljah wrote: I'm employed and make a pretty good salary,and I still think its kinda high. If you look at it, with 92,000 viewers for the super tournament VOD X 25.00 per subscription, thats 2.3 million dollars + sponsorships. I'm all for E-Sports growing and viewing a quality product... but this seems like a killing to me. Maybe I'm wrong here...
92k viewers doesn't mean 92k people bought the pass. I am sure there are plenty of people that just watch it live.
How would watching it live make any difference? You still need a subscription if im not mistaken.
On June 22 2011 01:07 Souljah wrote: I'm employed and make a pretty good salary,and I still think its kinda high. If you look at it, with 92,000 viewers for the super tournament VOD X 25.00 per subscription, thats 2.3 million dollars + sponsorships. I'm all for E-Sports growing and viewing a quality product... but this seems like a killing to me. Maybe I'm wrong here...
92k viewers doesn't mean 92k people bought the pass. I am sure there are plenty of people that just watch it live.
How would watching it live make any difference? You still need a subscription if im not mistaken.
No. You only need a subscription to watch the VODs/HQ, but Live is free for SQ.
I'll get it because I'm a junkie, not because I thought about whether it's a good or bad deal. But I would probably pay way more if I knew some of my money would go to the teams/players more evenly so as to support them better.
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I'll watch a week or two of this new format and then make a decision to buy or not. It sounds expensive but there might be something in the details that just dont translate over text.
I just want to repost this from the sponsored thread one more time:
"GSTL used to be priced at 4.99USD (with ads) for a 4 day tournament. With our new GSTL, which will be running for almost 3 months, you’ll get 25 full playdays for only 24.99USD (with ads)."
It's just the illusion of paying more money. You technically paid 1.25 for 1 day in old GSTL, and now pay 1.00 for 1 day in GSTL (though the number of games is different so let's just say for the sake of argument...it's basically the same deal).
PartyBiscuit, you're right about it being somewhat of an an illusion. However judging by the reaction, there's a need to keep the headline price low.
$10/mo seems to be a good price point for them, so maybe the option of a recurring subscription of $15 that covers both the GSL and GSTL would be a fair compromise. That's a total of $45/qtr compared to $55/qtr paying separately.
A discount of $10 represents good value to the consumer, means GOM gets a more stable subscription base and means that most importantly the headline price is still probably around about a working person's impulse purchase threshold. It's also a nice upsell - "Why buy GSL this month for $10 when for only $15 you can also have GSTL"
tldr;
Maintain existing one off payment pricing for people who wish to watch only one league
Offer a recurring subscription to all GOM leagues that is slightly less than paying separately
On June 22 2011 03:47 andytb wrote: PartyBiscuit, you're right about it being somewhat of an an illusion. However judging by the reaction, there's a need to keep the headline price low.
$10/mo seems to be a good price point for them, so maybe the option of a recurring subscription of $15 that covers both the GSL and GSTL would be a fair compromise. That's a total of $45/qtr compared to $55/qtr paying separately.
A discount of $10 represents good value to the consumer, means GOM gets a more stable subscription base and means that most importantly the headline price is still probably around about a working person's impulse purchase threshold. It's also a nice upsell - "Why buy GSL this month for $10 when for only $15 you can also have GSTL"
tldr;
Maintain existing one off payment pricing for people who wish to watch only one league
Offer a recurring subscription to all GOM leagues that is slightly less than paying separately
agree with this, even though I'm in the position to purchase this stuff, i just threw down 60 bucks( I don't like ads, and 60 bucks isn't gonna break the bank for me), it feels very odd purchasing all this at once. And i would be extremely comfortable with a subscription service.
This comes up with some problems though
the subscriber of one month would be able to watch all the VOD's of the tourney, or whatever.
The issue is, would people taking advantage of the subscription system hurt sales in comparison to a one time buy? That is something I don't know.
I don't know if a "monthly" subscription would work, but maybe it make more sense to do it at logical divisions in the tournament structure. GOM definitely should add some additional pricing options since this is going to be a tournament spanning multiple months. Something like the following:
$12/$20 for the first 5 weeks of the regular season $12/$20 for the last 5 weeks of the regular season $8/$15 for the 3 weeks of playoffs ---- $25/$40 for the complete tournament
On June 22 2011 04:01 r_con wrote: The issue is, would people taking advantage of the subscription system hurt sales in comparison to a one time buy? That is something I don't know.
I'm afraid I don't know enough about the field to put this in to numbers, however for example porn sites and print magazines clearly see the worth of having their subscribers tied in to a regular contract.
I imagine the consumer thought process to go something along the lines of "<i>Oh well, I may as well have another month, I'm subscribed anyway</i>"
On June 21 2011 04:46 ImHuko wrote: Edit: Just my opinon on the whole paying for thing, you can watch most shows on TV if you miss them on Hulu for free and legally (Maybe other countries don't have the same), but to watch a game of SC2 if I miss it live, I have to pay money for... pretty stupid if you ask me. I can tell my buddy to check out the latest episode of CSI because it is sick, but if I want to tell my buddy to go watch TheBest vs MarineKing (trollol), they have to pay money. Luckily for myself I can stay up at 5AM every night and catch them live, so no money has to come out of my pocket.
TV shows have enough exposure with ads/dvd box sales that they can afford it. Well produced SC2 content does not.
Samsung, G.Skill, and Coke exist all around the world, I don't understand why we don't watch commercials instead of seeing the same GomTV intro we've seen since Avertac Intel Classic in BW. Play some damn commercials in the VODs, I don't care.
I just don't like the fact I can't tell my buddy to go watch a SC2 match that he might actually be interested in. I got him watching some of the Avertac Intel Classic because he thought Tasteless was hilarious, I couldn't get him to do the same now a days.
Commercials would help with adding money for GOM but i'm pretty sure the amount of money Samsung and G.Skill are willing to pay for these commercials are nothing compared to overall production costs. Commercials on regular broadcast TV reach a much broader audience with everything from LCD TV's to toilet paper. SC2 fans are not the key demographic.
And don't forget dvd box sales, those probably account for a huge part of the revenue from TV-series.
It's just not feasible that your friend should just be able to watch any game from GOM for free. Even with ads it still wont cover all the costs.
They should reduce price slightly, put commercials in. Then sell a GSL 2011 DVD box, with bonus video of interviews, special matches, team house tours, CODE B footage, and maybe even a few(very few) replays of some of the best matches of each tournament if the players agreed. I'd buy that as long as it had subtitles(I assume everything would be Korean, but I guess they could have a second version if profitable)
FUCK YEAH EPIC EXTENDED TEAM LEAGUE FORMAT EXACTLY LIKE WE ASKED FOR!!!!
I don't know what price you guys are arguing about. I just pressed purchase instantly. You do realize that running a team league is more costly than an individual league, right?
FUCK YEAH EPIC EXTENDED TEAM LEAGUE FORMAT EXACTLY LIKE WE ASKED FOR!!!!
I don't know what price you guys are arguing about. I just pressed purchase instantly. You do realize that running a team league is more costly than an individual league, right?
I like to be extremely discriminating when making purchases personally.
On June 17 2011 19:40 Niick wrote: Let me get this straight guys You will pay $5 for 4 days of play, but $25 for 25 days play is too much?
Hey would you look at that, a dollar a day. before you were paying $1.25.
Why hasn't this quote been edited or mod-edited into the original post, the original post is incredibly biased against it, and this fact is the reason I thought the pricing was quite good.
FUCK YEAH EPIC EXTENDED TEAM LEAGUE FORMAT EXACTLY LIKE WE ASKED FOR!!!!
I don't know what price you guys are arguing about. I just pressed purchase instantly. You do realize that running a team league is more costly than an individual league, right?
I like to be extremely discriminating when making purchases personally.
If you're that discriminating you will realize that it's actually more value for your money than the old GSTL format though so I fail to see your point.
I'm so crushed that so many people are so ignorant about basic math and economics. The price per game of GSTL is unchanged. This is almost as sad as that order of operations thread.
FUCK YEAH EPIC EXTENDED TEAM LEAGUE FORMAT EXACTLY LIKE WE ASKED FOR!!!!
I don't know what price you guys are arguing about. I just pressed purchase instantly. You do realize that running a team league is more costly than an individual league, right?
I like to be extremely discriminating when making purchases personally.
If you're that discriminating you will realize that it's actually more value for your money than the old GSTL format though so I fail to see your point.
It's the exact same value if you do it by number of matches instead of days.
I just don't think the group stage matches will be as exciting as the one week playoffs of the last seasons. I don't think any of the round of 8 matches from those were that memorable and we are going to get lots of games like those I think as the lesser teams play over and over again.
FUCK YEAH EPIC EXTENDED TEAM LEAGUE FORMAT EXACTLY LIKE WE ASKED FOR!!!!
I don't know what price you guys are arguing about. I just pressed purchase instantly. You do realize that running a team league is more costly than an individual league, right?
I like to be extremely discriminating when making purchases personally.
If you're that discriminating you will realize that it's actually more value for your money than the old GSTL format though so I fail to see your point.
It's the exact same value if you do it by number of matches instead of days.
I just don't think the group stage matches will be as exciting as the one week playoffs of the last seasons. I don't think any of the round of 8 matches from those were that memorable and we are going to get lots of games like those I think as the lesser teams play over and over again.
How fuckin' cheap are ya'll when it comes to your favorite sport? There will be between 155 and 264 games depending on how close the series are. The no-ads ticket is $40 dollars.
That's between 15 cents and 25 cents PER GAME.
For the best Starcraft players in the best tournament format in the world.
Too cheap to drop 20 cents? Get the no-ads ticket for $25. Now you're paying between 9 cents and 15 cents. Assume the average game length is 20 minutes (based on watching every single GomTV game since season 1). That's as low as 25 cents for an hour of entertainment, or the high roller price of 75 cents for the premium-deluxe no-ads assuming every series is an all-kill.
I bought the $40 no-ads ticket as soon as it was available because it just made financial sense. I don't know what ya'll are spending your money on, but you must be super-shoppers or 3rd-world poor because I can't find many better deals for entertainment than the GSTL.
GSTL HWAAAIIIITTTING
Poll: Is the GSTL worth the price?
Yes, I can do the maths, and it's cheap as hell (26)
50%
No, I don't have a job (10)
19%
Yes, cuz it's the GSTL and I would pay a lot more than $40 (7)
13%
No, I'd rather watch Artosis in the NASL (4)
8%
No, I'm just an idiot (3)
6%
No, my parents won't give me the money (2)
4%
52 total votes
Your vote: Is the GSTL worth the price?
(Vote): Yes, I can do the maths, and it's cheap as hell (Vote): Yes, cuz it's the GSTL and I would pay a lot more than $40 (Vote): No, I don't have a job (Vote): No, I'd rather watch Artosis in the NASL (Vote): No, my parents won't give me the money (Vote): No, I'm just an idiot
On June 22 2011 15:54 mierin wrote: I make barely over minimum wage, but this isn't even a problem...3 months of IM and Nestea for 40? You serious? Very good deal IMO.
You do realize that teams only play once every 2 weeks and there's no guarantee IM will put out Nestea at all?
On June 18 2011 21:05 Fubi wrote: For me personally, if i were to buy this I would be paying for $25 every 3 months, then $15 per month for the regular season GSL, then $25 every 3 months for NASL then $15 dollar for MLG every month or so. I also play WoW (as is 11million other people), so that's another $15 per month. Then it's $60 per year for a SC2 expansion. And if they release another WoW expansion, or Diablo 3, that's another $60. Let's pray to god my keyboard, mouse, mic, headphones, etc don't break. This is JUST for gaming.
Sounds like you have to make a financial choice. Welcome to the world of... everyone. Now decide, do you want NASL, full of star players like Grubby, Artosis, and PainUser, or do you want the 3 months of the GSTL?
remember, this gstl season is much much longer than the regular gstl we had. And we can't forget about our fantasy gstl teams, ofc im gonna win most points it with my team!
On June 22 2011 15:54 mierin wrote: I make barely over minimum wage, but this isn't even a problem...3 months of IM and Nestea for 40? You serious? Very good deal IMO.
You do realize that teams only play once every 2 weeks and there's no guarantee IM will put out Nestea at all?
Nobody, except an elite few, knew who DRG was before GSTL season 2. Or who MMA was before season 1. The GSTL has a record of bringing out the best players in the world you've never seen. The fact Nestea will occasionally make an appearance to save his team from elimination is the icing on the awesome cake.
On June 22 2011 15:54 mierin wrote: I make barely over minimum wage, but this isn't even a problem...3 months of IM and Nestea for 40? You serious? Very good deal IMO.
You do realize that teams only play once every 2 weeks and there's no guarantee IM will put out Nestea at all?
Nobody, except an elite few, knew who DRG was before GSTL season 2. Or who MMA was before season 1. The GSTL has a record of bringing out the best players in the world you've never seen. The fact Nestea will occasionally make an appearance to save his team from elimination is the icing on the awesome cake.
The MMA story line was very nice. I also still remember Min's first appearance, I was turned to a Min fan instantly. I remember the first championship of SlayerS, where Boxer gave his team a pep talk before the final match and when MMA run out of the booth, victorious, he received very heterosexual butt slaps and then was thrown into the air. Then they threw Cella in the air, and then Boxer.
Also the SlayerS all-kill in GSTL May was nice with the gunshot ceremony. I also remember how CellaWerra freaked out of joy after his team defended the title in GSTL May. This was a special win as the team MVP was similar to the SlayerS in GSTL February, where SlayerS was the underdog but got to the finals.
On June 22 2011 18:17 ChickenLips wrote: Anyone know what the ads will look like? If they are unobtrusive / get blocked by Adblock I don't see a reason to spend 15 bucks just to remove them
They've already offered VODs with and without ads for different prices, so if you have any tickets now go look you will see the ads (If you don't G1 of each set which is free probably has the same ads too). If not' they're pretty unobtrusive, there's the little tiny button at the bottom center that makes I think a 480x60 ad banner pop up, and maybe some prerolls.
I can't imagine paying to have them removed, maybe 25 - > 30, but 15 bucks more is a lot.
For the sake of discussion I'd like to add that despite the fact I'm basically 100% sure I'll buy it, I wish they would announce who will be casting when the tickets go on sale... it only makes sense.
Get together and buy with a few friends, me and my friends all share one account to pay for it, and although we can afford it solo, its much better sharing with friends ^^
Gotta pull the troops together to see if we can throw 10 bucks each into this
Do want but the price is insane for vods you can watch free in korea
On June 22 2011 18:17 ChickenLips wrote: Anyone know what the ads will look like? If they are unobtrusive / get blocked by Adblock I don't see a reason to spend 15 bucks just to remove them
I've bought VODs with ads ever since they introduced the option, and I have never seen anything that remotely looks like an ad in my life of watching the VODs.
On June 22 2011 18:17 ChickenLips wrote: Anyone know what the ads will look like? If they are unobtrusive / get blocked by Adblock I don't see a reason to spend 15 bucks just to remove them
The prize pool is way to low for $25.00. 28K for first place for 3.5 months is just way to low considering how much effort the teams will need to put into this. For a team like slayers with 24 members, that would give each member a sum of 1,166.00 for a 3.5 month stretch of games.
With this, I can see the big name players focusing more on their GSL matches in the combined weeks with the GSTL. If they increase the prize pool, then I'll buy it.
On June 22 2011 18:17 ChickenLips wrote: Anyone know what the ads will look like? If they are unobtrusive / get blocked by Adblock I don't see a reason to spend 15 bucks just to remove them
I've bought VODs with ads ever since they introduced the option, and I have never seen anything that remotely looks like an ad in my life of watching the VODs.
You occationaly get a little popup box like on youtube which you can click away and it wont bother you again
On June 22 2011 17:23 David451 wrote: SALESMAN MODE ENGAGED
How fuckin' cheap are ya'll when it comes to your favorite sport? There will be between 155 and 264 games depending on how close the series are. The no-ads ticket is $40 dollars.
That's between 15 cents and 25 cents PER GAME.
For the best Starcraft players in the best tournament format in the world.
Too cheap to drop 20 cents? Get the no-ads ticket for $25. Now you're paying between 9 cents and 15 cents. Assume the average game length is 20 minutes (based on watching every single GomTV game since season 1). That's as low as 25 cents for an hour of entertainment, or the high roller price of 75 cents for the premium-deluxe no-ads assuming every series is an all-kill.
I bought the $40 no-ads ticket as soon as it was available because it just made financial sense. I don't know what ya'll are spending your money on, but you must be super-shoppers or 3rd-world poor because I can't find many better deals for entertainment than the GSTL.
All I read in this post was a bunch of bitching and calling people cheap. Grow the fuck up.
Maybe people don't like being bombarded with so many tickets to buy at once? You ever think of that? Oh, that's right. You didn't because you were too busy acting like an immature asshole by calling people cheap.
I would much rather pay $10 a month instead of having to shell out $35 right now for both the individual league and team league. Why? Because it keeps my fucking SC2 budget under control. There's also hundreds of hours of free content out there and paying for this just seems to be so pointless now.
Not only that, but 95% of the games in the Championship league or w/e the hell it was called were a damn snooze-fest. Korean players are becoming increasingly more and more boring to watch. All they are doing now is figuring out clever build orders to win and that's it. The Polt vs MMA finals is a great example of clever BOs, but the games were so damn boring with the exception of one of them. If you find one player building unit X, Y, Z & A-moving at the 7 minute mark with them "exciting," then holy hell do I wish you have some sort of exciting life outside Starcraft.
Edit - I'm also sick and tired of tournaments that run over 1 month. I've stopped following them completely. It's just becoming way too tiresome and boring to keep up with everything, let alone a tournament that lasts more than a month.
On June 23 2011 10:10 Joementum wrote: Maybe people don't like being bombarded with so many tickets to buy at once? You ever think of that? Oh, that's right. You didn't because you were too busy acting like an immature asshole by calling people cheap.
I would much rather pay $10 a month instead of having to shell out $35 right now for both the individual league and team league.
So... let me get this straight: You don't want to be bombarded with so many tickets to buy, so you'd rather buy on a monthly basis (more tickets) than purchasing a ticket that goes for more than one month? Okay...
On June 23 2011 10:10 Joementum wrote: Why? Because it keeps my fucking SC2 budget under control. There's also hundreds of hours of free content out there and paying for this just seems to be so pointless now.
Oh, I see. So having the option to pay less money-per-game for MORE GAMES over a longer period of time is causing your sc2 budget to spiral out of control? No, I think your sc2 budget, like most people's sc2 budget, is controlled by the guy behind the computer, not GomTV. It's still free to watch live...
On June 23 2011 10:10 Joementum wrote: Not only that, but 95% of the games in the Championship league or w/e the hell it was called were a damn snooze-fest. Korean players are becoming increasingly more and more boring to watch. All they are doing now is figuring out clever build orders to win and that's it. The Polt vs MMA finals is a great example of clever BOs, but the games were so damn boring with the exception of one of them. If you find one player building unit X, Y, Z & A-moving at the 7 minute mark with them "exciting," then holy hell do I wish you have some sort of exciting life outside Starcraft.
Edit - I'm also sick and tired of tournaments that run over 1 month. I've stopped following them completely. It's just becoming way too tiresome and boring to keep up with everything, let alone a tournament that lasts more than a month.
1) It was called the Super Tournament 2) The winner won like a hundred grand USD. The entire Bo7 could have been worker rushes and it would have been exciting, there was like a hundred million Won on the line! That's a lot of freaking money. 3) GSTL and GSL both run just about a month. The Super Tournament was a notable exception with a notably large prize pool.
i'm sorry but i'm not paying 35 dollars for another terranfest, i have previously bought a ticket for every single gsl event, but i'm unsure about this one
On June 22 2011 21:26 Souljah wrote: The prize pool is way to low for $25.00. 28K for first place for 3.5 months is just way to low considering how much effort the teams will need to put into this. For a team like slayers with 24 members, that would give each member a sum of 1,166.00 for a 3.5 month stretch of games.
With this, I can see the big name players focusing more on their GSL matches in the combined weeks with the GSTL. If they increase the prize pool, then I'll buy it.
That's not true at all. Team pride changes many things. It's not all about the prize pool. People are going to hate me for bringing up BW in a SC2 thread, but if you look at that, the players generally consider PL more important than winning individual leagues despite the prize pool for individual leagues being higher than the teamleague and running shorter (~50k USD, every 3 months compared to ~40k USD once a year for team). It's the fact that your teammates depend on you. Also, have you honestly not watched any of the previous GSTLs or last night's GSTL? That was amazing. We almost never get that many games of that quality in a single night.
On June 24 2011 00:56 aeyr wrote: I've bought every GSL ticket but never any GSTL ones. They're just too short and not worth it to me. I'll watch what I can live.
That would be because GSTL never had tickets before this season. They were just considered short series for fun in between the GSLs and they offered everyone the HQ version for free until this season. Why? Because now it's a full fledged league that runs for months instead of a short week.
Although I don't like the idea of paying 25 dollars at a time, I will grudgingly admit that 25 dollars is the same about of dollars per day that the old GSTL was, and that 25 dollars for three months is better than the GSL price of 10 dollars per month, or 30 dollars per three months.
That would be because GSTL never had tickets before this season. They were just considered short series for fun in between the GSLs and they offered everyone the HQ version for free until this season. Why? Because now it's a full fledged league that runs for months instead of a short week.
On June 22 2011 17:23 David451 wrote: SALESMAN MODE ENGAGED
How fuckin' cheap are ya'll when it comes to your favorite sport? There will be between 155 and 264 games depending on how close the series are. The no-ads ticket is $40 dollars.
That's between 15 cents and 25 cents PER GAME.
For the best Starcraft players in the best tournament format in the world.
Too cheap to drop 20 cents? Get the no-ads ticket for $25. Now you're paying between 9 cents and 15 cents. Assume the average game length is 20 minutes (based on watching every single GomTV game since season 1). That's as low as 25 cents for an hour of entertainment, or the high roller price of 75 cents for the premium-deluxe no-ads assuming every series is an all-kill.
I bought the $40 no-ads ticket as soon as it was available because it just made financial sense. I don't know what ya'll are spending your money on, but you must be super-shoppers or 3rd-world poor because I can't find many better deals for entertainment than the GSTL.
GSTL HWAAAIIIITTTING
Poll: Is the GSTL worth the price?
Yes, I can do the maths, and it's cheap as hell (26)
50%
No, I don't have a job (10)
19%
Yes, cuz it's the GSTL and I would pay a lot more than $40 (7)
13%
No, I'd rather watch Artosis in the NASL (4)
8%
No, I'm just an idiot (3)
6%
No, my parents won't give me the money (2)
4%
52 total votes
Your vote: Is the GSTL worth the price?
(Vote): Yes, I can do the maths, and it's cheap as hell (Vote): Yes, cuz it's the GSTL and I would pay a lot more than $40 (Vote): No, I don't have a job (Vote): No, I'd rather watch Artosis in the NASL (Vote): No, my parents won't give me the money (Vote): No, I'm just an idiot
REALIST MODE ENGAGED
Even if it was 5 cents per hour, it's still 40 fucking dollars.
On June 24 2011 05:05 TimeSpiral wrote: The price is right.
You're paying $1.28 per day with the new pricing format ($40). You get apprx. 28 days worth of content.
Before you paid $1.25 per day ($5). You get 4 days worth of content.
Yes. the new format is $40 without ads, $25 with, and the old format was $10 without ads, $5 with.
Comparing the new format high price to the low format reduced price isn't viable; either compare the without-ads prices to each other or the with-ads prices to each other.
It was also overpriced before relative to the GSL in number of games played, and it still is. Just you didn't notice because $5 isn't something you hesitate on.
On June 23 2011 10:10 Joementum wrote: Maybe people don't like being bombarded with so many tickets to buy at once? You ever think of that? Oh, that's right. You didn't because you were too busy acting like an immature asshole by calling people cheap.
I would much rather pay $10 a month instead of having to shell out $35 right now for both the individual league and team league.
So... let me get this straight: You don't want to be bombarded with so many tickets to buy, so you'd rather buy on a monthly basis (more tickets) than purchasing a ticket that goes for more than one month? Okay...
On June 23 2011 10:10 Joementum wrote: Why? Because it keeps my fucking SC2 budget under control. There's also hundreds of hours of free content out there and paying for this just seems to be so pointless now.
Oh, I see. So having the option to pay less money-per-game for MORE GAMES over a longer period of time is causing your sc2 budget to spiral out of control? No, I think your sc2 budget, like most people's sc2 budget, is controlled by the guy behind the computer, not GomTV. It's still free to watch live...
On June 23 2011 10:10 Joementum wrote: Not only that, but 95% of the games in the Championship league or w/e the hell it was called were a damn snooze-fest. Korean players are becoming increasingly more and more boring to watch. All they are doing now is figuring out clever build orders to win and that's it. The Polt vs MMA finals is a great example of clever BOs, but the games were so damn boring with the exception of one of them. If you find one player building unit X, Y, Z & A-moving at the 7 minute mark with them "exciting," then holy hell do I wish you have some sort of exciting life outside Starcraft.
Edit - I'm also sick and tired of tournaments that run over 1 month. I've stopped following them completely. It's just becoming way too tiresome and boring to keep up with everything, let alone a tournament that lasts more than a month.
1) It was called the Super Tournament 2) The winner won like a hundred grand USD. The entire Bo7 could have been worker rushes and it would have been exciting, there was like a hundred million Won on the line! That's a lot of freaking money. 3) GSTL and GSL both run just about a month. The Super Tournament was a notable exception with a notably large prize pool.
My main argument with being bombarded with tickets was not limited to just the GSL since every one is now trying to start some stupid league where they charge for "HD Quality." For argument's sake though, I don't like the fact that they started up the GSTL and GSL at the same time. They should have started the GSL now and then the GSTL 2 weeks later. Give people some damn time in between buying tickets.
Most people do monthly budgets. I would be much happier paying $10 per month than paying $40 in one month. If it doesn't make sense to you why I'm like that, then great! It makes sense to me. I'm not going to stay up til 5 AM just to watch a game. Unlike most people on TL, I work and run a business. The latest I'll stay up is 1, maybe even 2 am at times.
1. Cool. 2. Who the hell cares if $100k is on the line? The players do. I don't give a shit. I want to watch exciting games. Not some scripted bullshit that will always win the game. That's what the finals felt like for me, as well almost all the other games. 3. According to GOMTV.net, GSTL runs for 4 months. I doubt anyone will remember WTF happened in month 1 by the time they get to month 3. That's my main problem with leagues >30 days.
The way I see it is that you watch the stream and a great production which obviously costs a great deal of money, why not support GOM for all the hard work they have been putting into sc2. To be honest they are providing the only real incite into the Korean game at the moment other than the odd koth or small cup streamed for us by CSN.
I think the OP has some valid arguments about the sudden price increase in total cost per month all put into one decision at a time. For those of us on a budget, all we can hope for is some flexibility with how we spend our money.
For me though, its more about total cost. I am working and make decent money, enough where I have money to spend lots on entertainment. SC being the biggest excitement for me.
Here is a quick look at my budget:
Cable TV $50/month Cell $35/month Internet $70/month GSL $20/month. NASL $25
Now GOM wants $40 for GSTL ontop of all of this. If it was split up per each month, I have the option to skip a few months. Thats where people start asking themselves ok maybe its time to chill out a bit, even though SC2 is the most important entertainment for me. At this point in my budget, I think just the regular GSL i paid $10 for is enough this time. If it was $20 with no ads it would be ok with me.
i think the gom tv should set a special where if you bough the gsl and gstl package together would be more worthwhile for people or set it up so you can pay 10 bucks a month for gstl etc..
People are forgetting that your paying for only 1 "final". Also, since its spanned out in more than a month, the hype dies down and you lose track. Its just not as exciting.
I'm not going to pay $25 for a ticket when there's no guarantee I'll still be interested in/have time to watch everything 2 months down the line. The normal GSL seasons are fine as they are only $10 and last a month which isn't that long. I would've liked to see a package deal with GSL July which I did purchase.
On June 24 2011 09:34 koolaid1990 wrote: People are forgetting that your paying for only 1 "final". Also, since its spanned out in more than a month, the hype dies down and you lose track. Its just not as exciting.
This is the biggest difference to me and the biggest reason why 25$ is too much for me for ONE tournament. I do not care if it lasts 3 months and if number of games divided by 25$ is same as before. Before we got many GSTL tournaments for that money and now it is one.
Actually they now give out less total prize money to the teams but charge us same?!
1) Their tech isn't that good. The quality of the streams is acceptable, but nothing I would pay money for. Most commercial streaming services offer 720P+. See vudu, netflix, hell even HD cable.
2) They show fucking ads. If we are paying you money already, why are you trying to make an extra buck with ads? Absurd.
On June 24 2011 10:13 naventus wrote: The pricing is ridiculous considering
1) Their tech isn't that good. The quality of the streams is acceptable, but nothing I would pay money for. Most commercial streaming services offer 720P+. See vudu, netflix, hell even HD cable.
2) They show fucking ads. If we are paying you money already, why are you trying to make an extra buck with ads? Absurd.
1) Feel free to provide a better stream for the amount of content they are, for a cheaper price.
On June 24 2011 10:13 naventus wrote: The pricing is ridiculous considering
1) Their tech isn't that good. The quality of the streams is acceptable, but nothing I would pay money for. Most commercial streaming services offer 720P+. See vudu, netflix, hell even HD cable.
2) They show fucking ads. If we are paying you money already, why are you trying to make an extra buck with ads? Absurd.
1) Feel free to provide a better stream for the amount of content they are, for a cheaper price.
2) They have to pay their sponsors too you know..
1) We don't have to. Many tournaments already have and for free (Dreamhack, MLG, IPL). Even with the VODs, I don't get clear 720p.
I wonder which one looks better. I'm not trying to bad mouth GOM or say their pic quality is terrible, but it's definitely not on par with a tournament that was free to watch.
On June 17 2011 19:31 TheAmazombie wrote: Yeah, this seems a bit high, especially with ads. NASL was only 25 bucks for the entire season, 5 days a week, no commercials.
NASL are a couple of casters, one of them usually extremely lame, casting to a replay. Not at all comparable.
I do agree that $40 is a bit much, but don't compare live events to the likes of NASL/IPL/TSL.
On June 24 2011 10:13 naventus wrote: The pricing is ridiculous considering
1) Their tech isn't that good. The quality of the streams is acceptable, but nothing I would pay money for. Most commercial streaming services offer 720P+. See vudu, netflix, hell even HD cable.
2) They show fucking ads. If we are paying you money already, why are you trying to make an extra buck with ads? Absurd.
1) Feel free to provide a better stream for the amount of content they are, for a cheaper price.
2) They have to pay their sponsors too you know..
1) We don't have to. Many tournaments already have and for free (Dreamhack, MLG, IPL). Even with the VODs, I don't get clear 720p.
I wonder which one looks better... (Not trying to bad mouth GOM or say their pic quality is terrible, but it's definitely not on par with a tournament that was free to watch.
2. Uh, what? Sponsors pay them, brohan.
1) Ok, then if other tournaments are doing it, go watch them? Dont crap on GOMtv because they choose to price their tournament and VODs at a reasonable price for what they provide.
2) I didnt word that too well. I meant that the sponsors pay/give items/whatever they do too keep their side of the bargain, so GOMtv has to do the same. Give more air time to their sponsors = paying their half of the deal.
On June 24 2011 10:13 naventus wrote: The pricing is ridiculous considering
1) Their tech isn't that good. The quality of the streams is acceptable, but nothing I would pay money for. Most commercial streaming services offer 720P+. See vudu, netflix, hell even HD cable.
2) They show fucking ads. If we are paying you money already, why are you trying to make an extra buck with ads? Absurd.
1) Feel free to provide a better stream for the amount of content they are, for a cheaper price.
2) They have to pay their sponsors too you know..
1) We don't have to. Many tournaments already have and for free (Dreamhack, MLG, IPL). Even with the VODs, I don't get clear 720p.
I wonder which one looks better... (Not trying to bad mouth GOM or say their pic quality is terrible, but it's definitely not on par with a tournament that was free to watch.
2. Uh, what? Sponsors pay them, brohan.
1) Ok, then if other tournaments are doing it, go watch them? Dont crap on GOMtv because they choose to price their tournament and VODs at a reasonable price for what they provide.
2) I didnt word that too well. I meant that the sponsors pay/give items/whatever they do too keep their side of the bargain, so GOMtv has to do the same. Give more air time to their sponsors = paying their half of the deal.
I did however word #2 horribly
1. My intent was not to crap on GOMTV. They are great. My intent was to show you that there are other tournaments with better production out there for free. That's it.
2. It still doesn't make sense. We pay $25 and still get ads. Generally, you pay for a ticket to get rid of ads. With GOM, we pay for SC2, and get annoying ads played before every single VOD as well as those stupid popup ads that keep coming up even if you close them out. It makes no sense. It should either be a free service w/ ads thrown in or a paid service w/ no ads. Just my 2 cents. (Suggestion: Low quality vods w/ ads for free. That sounds awesome to me)
I think me not buying the tickets boils down to not being excited about watching Koreans play again. Their games have, in my opinion, grown increasingly boring. It feels like almost every game is a BO created just to kill your opponent within the first 10 minutes of the game and if it doesn't work, then you're fucked. Very, very rarely, do we get a game that's back and forth and exciting.
On June 17 2011 19:31 TheAmazombie wrote: Yeah, this seems a bit high, especially with ads. NASL was only 25 bucks for the entire season, 5 days a week, no commercials.
NASL are a couple of casters, one of them usually extremely lame, casting to a replay. Not at all comparable.
I do agree that $40 is a bit much, but don't compare live events to the likes of NASL/IPL/TSL.
you sir are incorrect. They are not casting replays it is live, just not live when we see it. Think of it as recording it like on tv then watching it later. But the games were all played live just like the show was live but not on when you watch it on DVR.
On June 24 2011 13:16 snafoo wrote: $25 really isn't much, unless you're 12 I guess... I have to think that half the people in this thread complaining must make their own soap aswell. :|
Or:
-They feel it's not worth it. -They're adults and have other responsibilities such as a mortgage, car payment, etc... -They won't have the time to watch most of the games/VODs, so they won't be paying for it. -They're tired of buying tickets/passes to watch these tournaments when there are other great tournaments being put on for free. -They can't afford it.
There are many reasons. Stop being so narrow minded. Insulting people doesn't get you anywhere.
On June 24 2011 13:16 snafoo wrote: $25 really isn't much, unless you're 12 I guess... I have to think that half the people in this thread complaining must make their own soap aswell. :|
Or:
-They feel it's not worth it. -They're adults and have other responsibilities such as a mortgage, car payment, etc... -They won't have the time to watch most of the games/VODs, so they won't be paying for it. -They're tired of buying tickets/passes to watch these tournaments when there are other great tournaments being put on for free. -They can't afford it.
There are many reasons. Stop being so narrow minded. Insulting people doesn't get you anywhere.
I'm not intending to insult people, but seriously, it's just not much money... most people probably spend more on useless stuff anyway. People are making it out as if it's robbery when you're paying next to nothing for 3 months of entertainment.It's kind of ridiculous.
What are you all talking about, GSTL is probably the last tournament that ill not not pay for. It is simply the best tournament out there, the hype, the games, the drama, EPIC!
Other - 25 days of play, 25 dollars. 1 dollar per day. Old GSL was 4 days for 5 dollars. Therefore the new price on a day-per-day or game-per-game basis is actually far cheaper. With 30 team matches from 4 to 7 sets per match, gives roughly 125-250 individual games. Its about 12 cents per individual game.
as a bigger fan of GSTL than the regular GSL season, i'm excited we get more than 2 weeks of sparse content. this new format lends to the growth as e-sports as being more sports-like (team play, camaraderie, hurray!) as well as many more games filled with drama, wild cards, trump players, and just content in general (seriously, i'm getting sick of watching wave after wave of Bo3 games, especially all the TvT's we had last season).
$25 is a price i don't mind paying and hopefully someday we'll have enough people watching GSL that it's 100% free.
On June 22 2011 17:23 David451 wrote: SALESMAN MODE ENGAGED
How fuckin' cheap are ya'll when it comes to your favorite sport? There will be between 155 and 264 games depending on how close the series are. The no-ads ticket is $40 dollars.
That's between 15 cents and 25 cents PER GAME.
For the best Starcraft players in the best tournament format in the world.
Too cheap to drop 20 cents? Get the no-ads ticket for $25. Now you're paying between 9 cents and 15 cents. Assume the average game length is 20 minutes (based on watching every single GomTV game since season 1). That's as low as 25 cents for an hour of entertainment, or the high roller price of 75 cents for the premium-deluxe no-ads assuming every series is an all-kill.
I bought the $40 no-ads ticket as soon as it was available because it just made financial sense. I don't know what ya'll are spending your money on, but you must be super-shoppers or 3rd-world poor because I can't find many better deals for entertainment than the GSTL.
All I read in this post was a bunch of bitching and calling people cheap. Grow the fuck up.
Pot, meet kettle.
Maybe people don't like being bombarded with so many tickets to buy at once? You ever think of that? Oh, that's right. You didn't because you were too busy acting like an immature asshole by calling people cheap.
Pot... meet kettle.
I would much rather pay $10 a month instead of having to shell out $35 right now for both the individual league and team league. Why? Because it keeps my fucking SC2 budget under control. There's also hundreds of hours of free content out there and paying for this just seems to be so pointless now.
It's smarter to purchase things on value, not on up-front price. If you can't do this, you really should reevaluate your approach to money.
Not only that, but 95% of the games in the Championship league or w/e the hell it was called were a damn snooze-fest. Korean players are becoming increasingly more and more boring to watch. All they are doing now is figuring out clever build orders to win and that's it. The Polt vs MMA finals is a great example of clever BOs, but the games were so damn boring with the exception of one of them. If you find one player building unit X, Y, Z & A-moving at the 7 minute mark with them "exciting," then holy hell do I wish you have some sort of exciting life outside Starcraft.
If you want show-games like the WWF, then the GSL probably isn't your cup of tea. Artosis and Grubby in the NASL have put on some epic and entertaining matches.
Edit - I'm also sick and tired of tournaments that run over 1 month. I've stopped following them completely. It's just becoming way too tiresome and boring to keep up with everything, let alone a tournament that lasts more than a month.
Sounds like your beef isn't with the money. Not sure why you opened this thread in the first place.
On June 17 2011 19:31 TheAmazombie wrote: Yeah, this seems a bit high, especially with ads. NASL was only 25 bucks for the entire season, 5 days a week, no commercials.
NASL are a couple of casters, one of them usually extremely lame, casting to a replay. Not at all comparable.
I do agree that $40 is a bit much, but don't compare live events to the likes of NASL/IPL/TSL.
I hate piling on the NASL, but I agree. I bought a ticket for the NASL and have probably only watched a quarter of the games. There's more to Starcraft 2 than stream quality.
On June 17 2011 19:31 TheAmazombie wrote: Yeah, this seems a bit high, especially with ads. NASL was only 25 bucks for the entire season, 5 days a week, no commercials.
NASL are a couple of casters, one of them usually extremely lame, casting to a replay. Not at all comparable.
I do agree that $40 is a bit much, but don't compare live events to the likes of NASL/IPL/TSL.
I hate piling on the NASL, but I agree. I bought a ticket for the NASL and have probably only watched a quarter of the games. There's more to Starcraft 2 than stream quality.
yeah, i also bought a NASL pass to support it but ended up watching maybe 15 or so matchups. definitely worth what i paid for it, but i feel like i'm just much more entertained watching GSL, especially the team leagues.
A while ago I voted "too expensive, will not pay" but I ended up buying the ticket a few hours before the opening match. I also bought the GSL regular season ticket, too. I can say I have no regrets and I certainly will continue to support the GSL. I am sorry for my momentary lapse in judgement.
Wow, how can ppl vote for 'Too expensive; won't purchase (638)' ... its 25$ for 25 days of awesome games. Before we were paying 5$ for 3 days of 3 games and it was ok ...
Zzz... I already bought premium pass, and its awesome.
On June 24 2011 10:13 naventus wrote: The pricing is ridiculous considering
1) Their tech isn't that good. The quality of the streams is acceptable, but nothing I would pay money for. Most commercial streaming services offer 720P+. See vudu, netflix, hell even HD cable.
2) They show fucking ads. If we are paying you money already, why are you trying to make an extra buck with ads? Absurd.
Korean Players > Foreigners.
Need I say more. Jeeze people are cheap considering the goddamn prize pool that the GSL and now the GSTL offers.
On June 24 2011 13:16 snafoo wrote: $25 really isn't much, unless you're 12 I guess... I have to think that half the people in this thread complaining must make their own soap aswell. :|
Or:
-They feel it's not worth it. -They're adults and have other responsibilities such as a mortgage, car payment, etc... -They won't have the time to watch most of the games/VODs, so they won't be paying for it. -They're tired of buying tickets/passes to watch these tournaments when there are other great tournaments being put on for free. -They can't afford it.
There are many reasons. Stop being so narrow minded. Insulting people doesn't get you anywhere.
I'm not intending to insult people, but seriously, it's just not much money... most people probably spend more on useless stuff anyway. People are making it out as if it's robbery when you're paying next to nothing for 3 months of entertainment.It's kind of ridiculous.
2 days per week is not equal to 3 months of entertainment. It is only 25 days spread to 3 months.
On June 24 2011 13:45 SichuanPanda wrote: Other - 25 days of play, 25 dollars. 1 dollar per day. Old GSL was 4 days for 5 dollars. Therefore the new price on a day-per-day or game-per-game basis is actually far cheaper. With 30 team matches from 4 to 7 sets per match, gives roughly 125-250 individual games. Its about 12 cents per individual game.
This is the most inaccurate but mostly used excuse I seen in this thread.
Those 4 days for 5$ were a tournament by itself with finals and prizes. Now it is 25$ for just ONE tournament with just ONE finals and ONE prize for competitors. It is not the same, not even close.
On June 24 2011 09:37 DensitY wrote: On June 24 2011 09:21 Daiki wrote: gom's more expensive than the monthly subscription game, WoW and Xbox live -__-'
yeah but Gom is more fun
Opinion varies. Also, if ppl are bitching about ads, go download the firefox adblock plus. Its free and blocks almost every ads.
On June 24 2011 18:20 Daiki wrote: Opinion varies. Also, if ppl are bitching about ads, go download the firefox adblock plus. Its free and blocks almost every ads.
... yeh it surely blocks ads in a media player... wtf?
Gonna steal this from the Gom forums, because it pretty sum up my feelings:
GSTL May: 7 sets, $5 (w/ ads). 71 cents per set.
GSTL Season 1: 30 regular + 5 playoff sets, $25. Also 71 cents per set.
That'a not taking into consideration the increased prize-pool and production, as well as supporting team FXO while they live in Korea. Yes, the price is fair
Unbelievable how some people seem to have fun arguing the whole freakin time about 25$ for one great season of their favourite game!
And even arguing about every single aspect of that purchase and everything... you dont have to complain 20 pages about everything...its just simple as that....
How old are you? Its 25$...not 10.000!! If you buy a DVD of a series..you'll pay about the same amount if not even more....
Gosh... You are not able or to stingy to spend 25$ for a pure entertainment? Then have good luck later in your life paying senseless bills every fuckin month ....
I'm just glad it's summer and I don't have any daytime commitments. GSTL fighting! I'm such a huge baller fan that I'm staying up to watch it for free because I don't have the money.
So funny seeing people so adamant about justifying their purchase
I wonder how many more seasons of GOM you'll buy before you realize you've been suckered out of hundreds of dollars. The best part about e-sports is that it's free entertainment! The minute it stops being free, it stops being worth it.
Purchasing the Ad-free premium ticket. The GSL is important to StarCraft and I want to support it in any way I can. I hate ads and blocking them isn't a good way to support them. I've purchased everything GSL has to offer and I don't plan on stopping. They've provided me with hundreds of hours of entertainment and for that I'm grateful.
It seems expensive, but in the end it really isn't. On top of that, the GSTL has always provided the best games of any of the GomTV leagues, so it isn't hard for me to choose. If it was just a regular GSL season, I'd have a harder time swallowing the $40 price tag, but it wouldn't prevent me. I love SC2 and I want to see its e-sports side succeed and supporting the GSL is one of the best things I can do to help.
On June 24 2011 21:24 hemoptysis wrote: Purchasing the Ad-free premium ticket. The GSL is important to StarCraft and I want to support it in any way I can. I hate ads and blocking them isn't a good way to support them. I've purchased everything GSL has to offer and I don't plan on stopping. They've provided me with hundreds of hours of entertainment and for that I'm grateful.
It seems expensive, but in the end it really isn't. On top of that, the GSTL has always provided the best games of any of the GomTV leagues, so it isn't hard for me to choose. If it was just a regular GSL season, I'd have a harder time swallowing the $40 price tag, but it wouldn't prevent me. I love SC2 and I want to see its e-sports side succeed and supporting the GSL is one of the best things I can do to help.
ESPORTS needs people like you =D
money is what keeps esports alive and if pple stop paying it wont be good for esports simply put. thats why i bought my ticket! to support esports!
GOM is a premium Starcraft 2 content provider, much like HBO is a premium TV content provider. You pay a fee because you like the programming and think it is worth it.
You don't need to worry about the price, really. They have managers and analysts who crunch the numbers, collect and mine the key metrics, and make decisions. If the price is too high, they will notice, and drop the price or create a promotion. It's simple marketing.
The Free tournaments are a lot like your local TV networks and radio stations. They have quality programming, because they are likely to reach a wider audience (because it's free). The wider audience attracts advertisers and the patrons consume the ads and hopefully the products they're pushing.
In the local arena the landscape is much more volatile. If the viewership drops, even a little, advertisers bail and the show no longer pulls its weight and is immediately dropped and replaced with something else. This does not occur as often on the premium networks because the subscription fees pay for the programming, to a large extent, and the viewership is more committed to the programming and because there is less turnover they know what to expect and are less likely to be disappointed.
If you cannot afford HBO, or do not believe it is worth it, then you will simply watch the programs on your local networks. You may bitch about the price of HBO, but it's pointless because the price is fair and relative to its perceived worth.
Seems like a silly thing to argue about, really - In my humblest of opinions, of course.
I am a pretty casual viewer, I have paid for several leagues in the past and only watched maybe 25% of the games broadcast. For me I've typically signed up on impulse. I say to myself "I want to watch this match right now" so I just pay $10 or $20. Then once I pay I usually go back and watch a few others, usually just the players that I'm interested in.
So just now I was interested in watching some of the games that FXO played in the GSTL. I was all set to pay $10 or $20 for the membership. But $40 is too much for an impulse buy for me! Sorry GOMTV, I'm passing on this until you drop the price.
I didn't pay for this one. Not because I think the 25 is too much, but I can't afford it in my current state. As a college student that lives paycheck to paycheck, 25 is too much upfront. Sad, yes, but I only have a couple hundred dollars.
To be honest, I don't usually bother with the GSTL. I dunno why, just never got into it. I do, however, spring for the regular GSL seasons ($10... yes please!)
I paid for the season, 10$, but 25$ is too much for me. I understand that I get the same for my money, sure, but I just wont pay 25$ at a time because I probably won't watch more than 20-30% of the actual matches. I'm sure some at least have the same ''excuse'' as me.
EPT
. If I get a job over the summer before uni I will defo pay. It's worth it.
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