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metagame is shitfting towards Zerg nowadays, this plus the Zerg-maps(Bel'Shir Beach is very zergy IMO).
I just wonder if this will last as long as the P dominance lasted...
BSB is getting voted out almost every time, sometimes even by zerg players. And I wouldn't say zerg have the upper hand, terran are doing quite nicely as well I think. It's just hard to see good protoss games right now at the GSL.
Like some people here have mentioned, the Korena scene does have very few good protoss players, maybe that will give HuK an advantage. I'm putting all my hopes in him and Alicia..
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as a protoss player, all of the games i saw when a P was eliminated i felt like either the toss just played bad or got destroyed by a timing push that they couldnt scout. biggest example of playing bad would be killer, and the biggest example of getting destroyed due to being greedy (aka not teching to colossi/ht instantly) would be trickster who tried to fe vs 2rax pushes....which i find to be retarded...T can expand off of a 2rax push which kills the P's expansion if P is on less than 3 gates >.> granted trickster was trying to rely on sentries which got emp'd instantly
edit: im with the post above me, alicia and huk all the way :D
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terran got stomped for some while after the stim nerf, warp gates are something pretty similar. consider that pros are way more perfect in timings and if those are thrown all your game sense is just wrong. What held before doesn't hold now.
Just remember ~. After an early game nerf, do a normal timing push against the nerfed race that s considered holdable they will most likely lose too it hehe, the higher they are the longer it will take them to adjust (just because they need to get closer to perfection again then a lower player).
As for the gsl directly i think its a bit map related. At the start they looked toss imba, but i guess its a bit more difficult once it goes over the 3rd base ^^.
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if you look at results only it looks bad. but if you watched the games, they played horribly.
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On June 04 2011 03:13 ScythedBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 03:01 ErikZerg wrote:
Protoss is still the best race just bad players It's been proven that Protoss is the worst race. If you use perfect micro AI (some guy who actually programmed it), Protoss finishes dead last. The real fact is that more QQ players play zerg.
It's amazing to me that people can actually believe this. Do you think that the moment you click Zerg for the first time your personality suddenly takes a wild swing and you magically develop an inferiority complex? Just because Idra whines about balance doesn't mean you can lump thousands of other players with him.
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Protoss best race, people just know almost exactly how the P players play, it's really predictable I'm sure for pro players.
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Protoss is overpowered bro and every time they lose it is a case of a horrible, Bronze level player losing on an overpowered race.
Likewise, Zerg is ridiculously weak but is played by exclusively the most gosu of players and is therefore able to win at will.
/signed,
Idra
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Does anyone happen to know the race break down of the super tournament? Like the guy above me said, Protoss either got destroyed by a timing they didn't see coming or it was just terrible playing. I don't think it has to do with the race but rather the quality of players who play Protoss. We have seen what MC and Alicia can do.
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On June 04 2011 03:18 fadestep wrote:
Protoss is overpowered bro and every time they lose it is a case of a horrible, Bronze level player losing on an overpowered race.
Likewise, Zerg is ridiculously weak but is played by exclusively the most gosu of players and is therefore able to win at will.
/signed,
Idra
pretty much summed up 99% of people that play zerg, not only idra.
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from personal experience, whenever i beat a zerg, its because they played terribly. i dont see how a skilled zerg can lose to a protoss anymore
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On June 04 2011 03:01 ErikZerg wrote:
Protoss is still the best race just bad players
i love these posts. and yet when zerg loses they need buffs, because idra, fruitdealer, and nestea are obviously the pinnacle of sc players...
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On June 04 2011 03:19 laharl23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 03:18 fadestep wrote:
Protoss is overpowered bro and every time they lose it is a case of a horrible, Bronze level player losing on an overpowered race.
Likewise, Zerg is ridiculously weak but is played by exclusively the most gosu of players and is therefore able to win at will.
/signed,
Idra pretty much summed up 99% of people that play zerg, not only idra. Sigh...
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I didn't see his Ro32 game, but Genius really impressed me in the Ro64.
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Protoss is much stronger in late game, those gate pushes became counterable. I still think protoss late game is stronger than zerg, but as we seen not only I think this way. All ZvP ends rather quick, because if toss gets HT colosai or colosai voiderays in good numbers it's just 2 much dps for zerg units. That's why we want to end it rather quick.
Anyway if you look at Revival v Hongun it's clear that he prepared exactly for him and he did exactly same strat that he always does. Ez win for Revival.
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On June 04 2011 03:19 ChineseWife wrote:
from personal experience, whenever i beat a zerg, its because they played terribly. i dont see how a skilled zerg can lose to a protoss anymore
Words of wisdom there m8... Words of wisdom I tell you.
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I'm waiting for Juanald to make a post on the topic before I throw in my 2 cents.
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I feel that protoss is still such a young race... the strategy's are very easy to execute for toss right now the only thing that makes things different with players is just mechanic's/micro.
I feel that maybe we will finally see Protoss having to use chrono boost now for the whole game.... I don't know about anyone else but I'm sick of watching pro games where the Protoss has a combined 400 energy on his nexi 20 min into a game....
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Do switch to zerg. There is the unforgiving larva inject mechanism and the constant dilemma to drone or make army units, which tosses don't have to deal with. Switch and see how easy it is. As for me, whenever I get random protoss, all I have to do is turtle for 90% of the game and then a-move. Scouting - optional for protoss, necessary for zerg (or else you'll overdrone, underdrone, or make the wrong counters).
It just takes half as much effort into the game whenever I roll terran or toss.
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Why are Zergs always the race thats QQing.
OP: To be fair there have been a few PvP kills of decent players. See Below
+ Show Spoiler +Alicia beat MC and HuK beat San and both San and MC are toss that usually make it far in code S
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On June 04 2011 03:19 laharl23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 03:18 fadestep wrote:
Protoss is overpowered bro and every time they lose it is a case of a horrible, Bronze level player losing on an overpowered race.
Likewise, Zerg is ridiculously weak but is played by exclusively the most gosu of players and is therefore able to win at will.
/signed,
Idra pretty much summed up 99% of people that play zerg, not only idra.
delete this thread
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