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On May 19 2011 18:23 ODKStevez wrote:
Hey TL. I know demoting oneself to the lower leagues is frowned upon, but the fact is, I am a Low diamond/high platinum Zerg player and I reciently made the change over to the Protoss. And in platinum, I continually lose. My match history before I started to deliberately demote myself was aweful, I had at least 25 games lost in a row (mainly cause I don't kow builds yet) but I wanted to demote myself where I can learn in the gold leagues at a fair ratio and no get fustrated losing every time.
Is anyone else having this problem, I was able to do it once before for Terran (I regretted that one as I don't like terran), but I know that I want to stick with Protoss, even though I lose, it is still a fun race and I really want to get better without wanting to kill myself! ^^
Any suggestions that do not include buying a new version of Starcraft 2?
Note: I have left over 60 games now in a row and it is still putting me against platinum players and even master players 5 times so far... I just don't understand the system, a I doing something wrong?
Just check for builds at Liquipedia? Getting Diamond with Zerg is much harder than winning games in Platinum with Protoss.
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Your league doesn't mean anything for matchmaking. It's all dependent on your hidden MMR. If you lose a lot, you will start to play vs gold players, and if you win a lot, you will start to play vs diamond players regardless of your league.
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If you're playing farmers I guess you should win a few games ASAP or your MMR will get so tanked you'll be stuck down there for a long time. You won't get demoted until you win a few games because the system thinks you are so bad it can't place you yet.
Also I feel sorry for the bronze players you will face when you start to play properly. Comeon. A diamond Zerg with a few hours on YABOT can play gold Protoss I'm sure and vice versa.
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All frowning aside...
I might be incorrect as this is just my personal experience but... From what I understand the ladder system does not simply check for wins and losses, it also checks a bunch of statistics on how you performed in the game compared to your opponent.
A friend of mine got promoted to platinum after having to throw a game where he was in the lead but as he had to rush his sister to the hospital he had to surrender the game. He was ahead in everything, and so he got promoted.
With that in mind it would probably be _faster_ to actually play the games and try your best than to just leave the game a few seconds in as in the latter case the difference between you and your opponent would be very slim.
Not to mention you would actually improve your skills on the way.
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On May 19 2011 20:39 DNB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 20:36 ODKStevez wrote:On May 19 2011 20:21 DNB wrote:On May 19 2011 20:16 ODKStevez wrote:On May 19 2011 20:08 DNB wrote:On May 19 2011 20:05 ODKStevez wrote:On May 19 2011 20:04 DNB wrote:
Did you go on a tilt after you lost to my all-in on Shattered Temple? I remember you saying how I don't deserve any wins and how I'm going to ruin E-sports, while you ignored me in chat.
Anyways, I think you're definitely higher than platinum. I watched your replay and your macro is at par with other diamond protosses I've met.
Now stop losing games intentionally and play. I'm sure you will catch up with other diamond players pretty fast. Indeedm off topic but I apologies for that one. I hate all ins, especially when I see them comming from the start and still can't hold them =[ Just feels really stupid to me. You definitely need to change your attitude if you want to improve. Blaming the game when you lose is a sign of immaturity. Though I agree, that all-in is extremely strong even when the opponent knows how to react, that's why I use it sometimes, especially when people accuse me of being a liquid faker. ;P You can unblock me and we can practice if you want. I took you off ignore about 3 minutes after ;p Also, my attitude isn't usually like that, it is the same as most players with terran ;p Though I know it was my fault and it was my lack of experience, but that doesn't take away that it is so fustrating. Yeah I understand that. It's normal to be angry, but it tells a lot about a person how they vent their anger. By the way, I'm curious why do you have recent wins in your match history that have lasted less than 3 minutes? Looking at your build order, you only make 1 probe and your opponents make no workers at all. What is that all about? Stuck witha bunch of portrait farmers, no idea what is going on, trying to figure it out atm, and also, you were the first person that I got really fustrated at ;p Are you losing against bronze players intentionally now? Dude, just take a break from SC2 for a few days, even a week. You seem like you're on a bad passive tilt...
Nono lol, i'm fine xD Im just stuck with all these portrat farmers. xD Not sure how to get out, just gonna keep trying, im just watching GTSL in the background anyway xD
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If you are playing portrait farmers you had better start winning now lol
Your MMR has probably tanked so low that it has gone beyond Bronze league and is only hitting others that have intentionally tanked their MMR down.
Better start playing properly now :p
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On May 19 2011 20:40 Mercury- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 18:23 ODKStevez wrote:
Hey TL. I know demoting oneself to the lower leagues is frowned upon, but the fact is, I am a Low diamond/high platinum Zerg player and I reciently made the change over to the Protoss. And in platinum, I continually lose. My match history before I started to deliberately demote myself was aweful, I had at least 25 games lost in a row (mainly cause I don't kow builds yet) but I wanted to demote myself where I can learn in the gold leagues at a fair ratio and no get fustrated losing every time.
Is anyone else having this problem, I was able to do it once before for Terran (I regretted that one as I don't like terran), but I know that I want to stick with Protoss, even though I lose, it is still a fun race and I really want to get better without wanting to kill myself! ^^
Any suggestions that do not include buying a new version of Starcraft 2?
Note: I have left over 60 games now in a row and it is still putting me against platinum players and even master players 5 times so far... I just don't understand the system, a I doing something wrong? Just check for builds at Liquipedia? Getting Diamond with Zerg is much harder than winning games in Platinum with Protoss.
It may surprise you but I found zerg too easy and went to Protoss for the challange. Though, I admit that the current mess I am in isn't a challange.
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Why dont you just use your guest passes ?
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i think tanking players have the lowest mmr (people with less than 10% win in the last 50 games), then you have portrait farmers (they tanked but then started doing 50/50 in bronze) then regular bronze players (50/50 in real bronze but over 50% win because they get free wins).
i think you tanked way too low loosing 60+ in a row for anything but portrait farming, you wont learn a thing in that bracket. id have suggested 15-20 games if you insist on trying to get better that way.
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On May 19 2011 19:08 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 19:02 starcraft911 wrote:
Iron sharpens iron. You should ALWAYS be aiming to play against the best competition available to you. That's how you get good. Crushing some idiot who takes 2 gas and masses marines w/ no upgrades in bronze isn't going to do anything for you. That's simply not true. If the skill differential is too large then you can only look at your replay and say, "well, I lost because he did absolutely everything better than me." When reviewing a replay, a gold player who plays another gold player can see what he did wrong and what he should do better next time. A gold player who runs into Idra and gets roflstomped into the ground will learn little to nothing.
cant speak for gold players, but i have played people who are faaaaaaar better than me and thats where i learned.
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On May 19 2011 18:23 ODKStevez wrote:
My match history before I started to deliberately demote myself was aweful, I had at least 25 games lost in a row (mainly cause I don't kow builds yet) but I wanted to demote myself where I can learn in the gold leagues at a fair ratio and no get fustrated losing every time.
The league you are in has no relevance whatsoever for the level of the opponents you get. Its all about MMR. I seriously wonder why this misconception still exists.
Still i dont understand why you dont get worse opponents after loosing that may games.
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Just keep playing. The game will give you opponents below your league if you are losing a lot. Moving down doesn't necessarily mean you will play easier opponents. Plus, playing people better than yourself is a good way to improve. You're less likely to make less mistakes when you're punished more often for making them. Weaker players will exploit your mistakes less and less, and you likely will not be able to identify them as a result.
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On May 19 2011 20:56 ODKStevez wrote:
It may surprise you but I found zerg too easy and went to Protoss for the challange. Though, I admit that the current mess I am in isn't a challange.
That does sound surprising =P. Were you playing macro zerg or more of a 2base all-in mostly? If you're actually good at scouting and macroing, two things that are pretty key to playing zerg well past platinum IMO then I don't see why you wouldn't be able to play platinum level protoss. You don't need THAT many games to figure out one or two good starting build orders for any race, and after that as long as you can scout and macro you should be able to hit platinum league.
I'd try playing the AI for a bit to see what does and doesn't work in terms of unit composition/timings. With that and good macro there shouldn't be any way you're not platinum level.
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On a related note I really hope Blizzard fixes the broken promotion system soon.
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I played macro zerg, I am strongly against cheese with all races.
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On May 19 2011 20:49 ypolt wrote:
All frowning aside...
I might be incorrect as this is just my personal experience but... From what I understand the ladder system does not simply check for wins and losses, it also checks a bunch of statistics on how you performed in the game compared to your opponent.
A friend of mine got promoted to platinum after having to throw a game where he was in the lead but as he had to rush his sister to the hospital he had to surrender the game. He was ahead in everything, and so he got promoted.
With that in mind it would probably be _faster_ to actually play the games and try your best than to just leave the game a few seconds in as in the latter case the difference between you and your opponent would be very slim.
Not to mention you would actually improve your skills on the way.
Completely incorrect. Ladder system does not check statistics, just checks wins and losses. I got promoted to diamond after a loss, probably because my MMR was stabilizing in the diamond bracket
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Play build order testers to get a few builds down. Play customs with or without practice partners to try them out against other players. Find a Diamond Protoss to coach you. Don't just play ladder.
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On May 19 2011 20:04 DNB wrote:
Did you go on a tilt after you lost to my all-in on Shattered Temple? I remember you saying how I don't deserve any wins and how I'm going to ruin E-sports, while you ignored me in chat.
Anyways, I think you're definitely higher than platinum. I watched your replay and your macro is at par with other diamond protosses I've met.
Now stop losing games intentionally and play. I'm sure you will catch up with other diamond players pretty fast.
You still have be on ignore. I am worker rushing to get out of this bunch of players that I have been up against over and over.
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I did the same thing few days ago. Didn't work. Lost probably ~100 games, either insta leaves or worker-rushes and eventually the game started giving me bronze players to play with. But those are 99% of the time guys using loss-bots, probably going for achievements/portraits.
I got sick of leaving and not getting demoted (so I could switch races since I reached my protoss skill ceiling: top 30 in my diamond league, anywhere between 30-15) and I started playing protoss again smashing bronze players left and right. After 30-40 games like that the game continues to match me against bronze players but somehow it gave me 600 points all of a sudden and moved me from 80th to 25th. Now I continue to play against bronze players and win but it doesn't give me any points lol.
I wonder when it will figure out that my MMR has gone back to normal (ie bad) and start giving me other diamond/plat players.
I wish Blizz would include 1 MMR reset at least. It's frustrating when you reach your best and you are still frustrated 80% of the time.
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I would pay for the chance to play people better than me. The only way to get better is to beat people better than you.
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