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On May 20 2011 06:50 ensign_lee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 19:54 blackone wrote:
I don't understand the attitude of the OP. You don't want to lose a ton of games, and your solution for that is losing a ton of games? Is it to say to yourself that you lost on purpose so these games "don't count" or something? No, he just doesn't want to get his face kicked in repeatedly for 25 straight games. That's Fing demoralizing. Better to start from a low place and move up rather than start from a high place and fall down
Why should it be demoralizing?
It's ladder, it means nothing, you don't even see your losses anymore unless that's changed recently...
That's 25 games he could have learned his builds, 25 games he could have worked on micro...25 games he could have worked on ANYTHING.
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You'll improve faster when playing against opponents who are better than you, rather than bashing people below or at your own level.
If winning is more important to you, than improving, I guess you'll have to get a smurf account to start over in the lower leagues.
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I don't understand if you're trying to intentionally demote yourself, wouldn't losing while learning a new race work anyways?
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On May 20 2011 06:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't understand if you're trying to intentionally demote yourself, wouldn't losing while learning a new race work anyways?
Have you tried learning a new race? I know that learning zerg was definitely a lot faster in lower leagues where you have the opportunity to practice injecting and spreading creep and spreading overlords and learning the nature of the economy without having to constantly scout to make sure I wasn't going to die in the next 20 seconds because my opponent was hiding an all-in. Sure, you could do this in singleplayer, but it's not the same as practicing your mechanics and picking up on things you could do better while having to spend some time paying attention to what your opponent is doing. When you're playing in diamond or masters and figuring out builds and mechanics and strategy all at the same time, it's tough to get better at any of them.
It's also just human nature to get satisfaction from progressing through leagues as you learn. I don't really feel like I'm improving when I'm wallowing in a league I'm not good enough to be in, slowly being demoted.
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It doesn't take the system very long to adjust your mmr to face lower league opponents after a huge losing streak, especially below masters. Your league doesn't determine who you play.
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When i was frustrated in certain MUs I played a CRAP TON of custom games(didn't play ladder for like 1 month). I was gold, I was getting paired with diamonds and when i got comfortable, I returned to laddering and SMASHED F***IN' FACES. So yea, go play customs(also way less chance they will be all ining you)
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On May 20 2011 07:06 scorch- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 06:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't understand if you're trying to intentionally demote yourself, wouldn't losing while learning a new race work anyways? Have you tried learning a new race? I know that learning zerg was definitely a lot faster in lower leagues where you have the opportunity to practice injecting and spreading creep and spreading overlords and learning the nature of the economy without having to constantly scout to make sure I wasn't going to die in the next 20 seconds because my opponent was hiding an all-in. Sure, you could do this in singleplayer, but it's not the same as practicing your mechanics and picking up on things you could do better while having to spend some time paying attention to what your opponent is doing. When you're playing in diamond or masters and figuring out builds and mechanics and strategy all at the same time, it's tough to get better at any of them. It's also just human nature to get satisfaction from progressing through leagues as you learn. I don't really feel like I'm improving when I'm wallowing in a league I'm not good enough to be in, slowly being demoted.
What i did when i switched to zerg was just spamming games against the AI, not giving a shit about him and only practiced mechanics for like 2 weeks. I was diamond back then since i had like a 2k bonus pool but i had no trouble winning the majority of my games after going back to 1v1's.
I don't really see much benefit from starting out in the lower leagues, maybe if you get really nervous when you play It could be good.
I realize most people wouldn't wanna practice games against the AI though, since It's pretty boring 
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just man up and play.... you will learn quicker playing harder opponents. or go play custom games until your comfortable.
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I lost on purpose at the end of season 1 because I wanted to get demoted and switch to random. Unfortunately I lost quite a few games but never got demoted. (This wasn't when leagues were locked either.) Then when season 2 started and I played my placement match...
I got demoted from master straight to bottom of bronze.
Who knows man, MMR can be a very fickle thing.
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As long as you have a basic understanding of mechanics (macro-ing, basic build) you should play against as good competition as you can!
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 20 2011 07:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I lost on purpose at the end of season 1 because I wanted to get demoted and switch to random. Unfortunately I lost quite a few games but never got demoted. (This wasn't when leagues were locked either.) Then when season 2 started and I played my placement match...
I got demoted from master straight to bottom of bronze.
Who knows man, MMR can be a very fickle thing.
Whoa, masters to bronze?? If that happened to me, I'd be quitting SC2 already, LOL!
As for the OP - it does seem like battle.net is not in the mood for demotions lately.
After getting promoted to diamond on the placement match for season 2, my play has been inconsistent at best. After taking a 5-day break, watching my own replays have been downright discouraging - missed injects, supply blocks, not scouting, wrong interpretation of scouting, etc etc. So bad that I've been matched with rank1 gold players, TWICE. Knock on wood, but if battle.net thinks I'm only slightly favored against gold players, then I deserve to get demoted to back to platinum, right? Nope, hasn't happened yet (thankfully, LOL!)
I say just do your best and not worry too much about your losses. Spend the time to analyze each replay regardless of whether it's a win or loss, and work on the little things to keep on improving.
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On May 20 2011 07:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I lost on purpose at the end of season 1 because I wanted to get demoted and switch to random. Unfortunately I lost quite a few games but never got demoted. (This wasn't when leagues were locked either.) Then when season 2 started and I played my placement match...
I got demoted from master straight to bottom of bronze.
Who knows man, MMR can be a very fickle thing.
The system won't demote you until it has some measure of confidence in what league it should demote you to (and that means winning games). The farther you try to demote yourself the more uncertain the system becomes in your rating, and the more games you will have to win before it will choose a new league for you.
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You won't get demoted (or promoted) until your MMR stabilizes. Therefore you need to play some games to reduce your uncertainty so the system can figure out where you belong. Either that or play 2v2 and learn the builds.
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On May 19 2011 19:02 starcraft911 wrote:
Intentionally losing matches for any reason is abusing the ladder and you're right that is frowned upon.
If you ever want to be a good player you need to sack up and realize that losing is necessary for learning. If you're picking up a new race and you're getting shitstomped then play for the early game in a safe route using standard 'safe' builds and try to last as long as you can. Eventually you will either figure it out and start winning or you will get demoted and start winning.
Iron sharpens iron. You should ALWAYS be aiming to play against the best competition available to you. That's how you get good. Crushing some idiot who takes 2 gas and masses marines w/ no upgrades in bronze isn't going to do anything for you.
This.
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You know what...Edited, nm just gonna end up with some jackass parroting how the system works.
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When I switched to Zerg from Protoss I went from a diamond player to a high gold player. It was extremely frustrating trying to learn Zerg at the diamond level and I can totally understand someone wanting to skip that frustration by lowering their mmr a little. I actually ended up getting a second account so that I can piss around at the gold level on my Zerg account and then go play my Diamond Toss when I was in the mood.
I would not suggest lowering yourself all the way back to bronze, however. I believe the OP said he was a plat player so he should be fine learning his new race at the gold/silver level. 20-30 losses will probably put you there. And you do not need to be reclassified to start playing for real again. Just lose a bunch of games, look at your opponents rank and you will have an idea at where Blizzard thinks your ability is at.
On a side note, there seems to be a lot of arguing over people's approach to the ladder. Some people say to just play and let the ladder put you where you belong and others say that it is too demoralizing losing all of those games. I think it should be up to the player and their mindset. Everyone approaches the game differently and if they are bothered by losing then they might want to lower their mmr to play from the bottom up. However, if you do not mind losing and just enjoy playing the game, then by all means, stay where you are and take your losses like a champ. In other words, do what feels right to you.
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The league/ladder system is frozen atm, no promotions or demotions.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37055 Posts
Can't u just register a diff email account?
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Just let me play your account and I'll have you demoted in no time.
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