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Hey TL. I know demoting oneself to the lower leagues is frowned upon, but the fact is, I am a Low diamond/high platinum Zerg player and I reciently made the change over to the Protoss. And in platinum, I continually lose. My match history before I started to deliberately demote myself was aweful, I had at least 25 games lost in a row (mainly cause I don't kow builds yet) but I wanted to demote myself where I can learn in the gold leagues at a fair ratio and no get fustrated losing every time.
Is anyone else having this problem, I was able to do it once before for Terran (I regretted that one as I don't like terran), but I know that I want to stick with Protoss, even though I lose, it is still a fun race and I really want to get better without wanting to kill myself! ^^
Any suggestions that do not include buying a new version of Starcraft 2?
Note: I have left over 60 games now in a row and it is still putting me against platinum players and even master players 5 times so far... I just don't understand the system, a I doing something wrong?
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How about you just keep playing StarCraft II, more than likely you are playing people who are in the league your suppose to be. Ignore what the ladder says about you and just have fun. Eventually you will be demoted.
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I have tried, it's just fustrating playing a new race which I really love the feel off and not having a chance cause i'm being thrown into the deep end. No one likes consistently losing =[
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You should have just bought another account to play protoss with O_o.
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On May 19 2011 18:25 WarChimp wrote:
How about you just keep playing StarCraft II, more than likely you are playing people who are in the league your suppose to be. Ignore what the ladder says about you and just have fun. Eventually you will be demoted.
I agree with this, but i also know that it is hard to have fun when you cant win a game in 25+ games. Just keep playing as hard as you can, maybe you wont even need to be demoted if you start learning some builds, and if you do get demoted, then thats where you're ment to be i suppose!
If you really want to be demoted just leave the game right when you join, though.
Edit: Or probe rush!
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Just looking at my match histroy, the system is putting me against OTHER people that are doing the same thing as me, all their match histroys show losses with 3 seconds inbetween, I don't wanna get myself trapped with all the masters noob farmers =[
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I would suggest you start practicing toss in 2v2/3v3/4v4, find a good friend, lose all your placement matches intentionally, and you should get placed into a fairly low league, then you can start to learn the hotkeys and build orders, yea they'll be 2v2 build, but you'll soon be able to go back to 1v1, and focus just on learning the builds, instead of learning the builds, hotkeys, micro techniques, mechanics, tech trees, counters, stutter step micro timings, etc... Just a suggestion.
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2v2 = Completly different that 1v1 however, you cannot play that with 1v1 builds and play properly =/
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Took me 100 games to get back to bronze from Platinum after S2 started. I wouldn't do it anymore though because they are going to start cracking down on people losing on purpose. Just play customs or against lower level friends with protoss to practice.
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On May 19 2011 18:23 ODKStevez wrote:Any suggestions that do not include buying a new version of Starcraft 2? Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 18:29 Megaliskuu wrote:
You should have just bought another account to play protoss with O_o.
Even though you haven't been demoted, I would try to actually play a few games to see what skill level you get matched against (forget league for now). Also, try to get some custom pick up practice games to improve your skill more also.
If you keep getting stomped you can consider dropping a few games and repeat. You never know if the system actually has you in bronze/silver level before actually demoting you.
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What you really should do is play the YABOT mod, if its build orders that you are laking in.
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Thanks for all the suggestions! ^^
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On May 19 2011 18:35 ODKStevez wrote:
2v2 = Completly different that 1v1 however, you cannot play that with 1v1 builds and play properly =/
That's true, but at least you can start to practise mechanics in team games...
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Just keep playing, playing against people better than you is the best way to improve, after that if you get moved down you get moved down.
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On May 19 2011 18:56 Gantritor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 18:35 ODKStevez wrote:
2v2 = Completly different that 1v1 however, you cannot play that with 1v1 builds and play properly =/ That's true, but at least you can start to practise mechanics in team games...
Yeah I think team games are good for that regard. For example, my larvae injects got a lot better just from massing team games. Creep spread as well.
For toss, you can work on placing perfect FF, practice chrono boosting everything/saving for certain situations.
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Intentionally losing matches for any reason is abusing the ladder and you're right that is frowned upon.
If you ever want to be a good player you need to sack up and realize that losing is necessary for learning. If you're picking up a new race and you're getting shitstomped then play for the early game in a safe route using standard 'safe' builds and try to last as long as you can. Eventually you will either figure it out and start winning or you will get demoted and start winning.
Iron sharpens iron. You should ALWAYS be aiming to play against the best competition available to you. That's how you get good. Crushing some idiot who takes 2 gas and masses marines w/ no upgrades in bronze isn't going to do anything for you.
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Play custom games. Platinum is pretty much all about macro/mechanics and those aren't that much different between races. Play like 50 custom games and I'm certain you'll have your P on Platinum level as well! 
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You obviously don't seem to have a problem with losing games.
So why don't you just play these games, instead of leaving? Out of those 60 games you left, maybe you could have won a couple. As for the rest, you would have learnt something from the way you lost! That's so much experience lost for you.
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Maybe you should've thought of that before you played so well in your placement matches!
Captain hindsight away!
Jk, contact Blizzard and ask them to demote you
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On May 19 2011 19:02 starcraft911 wrote:
Iron sharpens iron. You should ALWAYS be aiming to play against the best competition available to you. That's how you get good. Crushing some idiot who takes 2 gas and masses marines w/ no upgrades in bronze isn't going to do anything for you.
That's simply not true. If the skill differential is too large then you can only look at your replay and say, "well, I lost because he did absolutely everything better than me." When reviewing a replay, a gold player who plays another gold player can see what he did wrong and what he should do better next time. A gold player who runs into Idra and gets roflstomped into the ground will learn little to nothing.
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On May 19 2011 18:23 ODKStevez wrote:
I had at least 25 games lost in a row (mainly cause I don't kow builds yet)
Get proper builds then?
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Why would you even think of losing games intentionally?
If you are a platinum/diamond zerg player, I suppose you know the general game mechanics and have an idea of the game. So: they next step to learn a new race would be YABOT - as someone already mentioned - to get a basic overview over 2-3 Build Orders, it's not hard but an incredible confident boost if you know that you have some material that can bring you a solid win.
Now, play some custom games on the blizzard maps. You don't have the pressure of winning and you can practice. Find partners in the TL pickup Channel or in the Blizzard Chat Channels, you should find someone.
When you are confident enough to step into ladder, which could be after 5-20 games, but still without concernlessness [is that even a word?] in 1v1, go for 2v2 and 3v3, or better 4v4.
Since 2v2 and 3v3 involve some debateable rush and cheese tactics (yeah yeah, someone will say that it isnt cheese since it's solid 2s tactic, but that's another topic), 4v4 is more like a "I go that risky build!", or "I do what I want!" or "WTF? Tactic? Is that the mint candy?". Just execute what you want, you can practice your 1v1 BO with actual opponents since noone gives a shit anyway, which is sad, don't get me wrong on this. At least it's my experience (even in Diamond-rated games).
Hope I could help! You really should stay in Platinum, since Gold players are in comparison quite.. no offense.. terrible.
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You must win to be demoted.
Play normal, don't forfeit games they have a system that identifies that you are doing that and you aren't fooling it.
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If you lose a TON of games in a row....your demotion may be delayed as your MMR could have dropped so much that Battle Net is deciding whether to put you TWO leagues below.
The same can be said for promotions if you get a huge win streak. Happened to me during the summer when i jumped from Gold to Diamond due to a 13 game winstreak from baneling busting and 10 pooling ;P.
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I am a diamond protoss. When i wanted to start random i lost about 60games in a row to lower my rank and still was diamond facing bronze players
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The promotion/Demoting is bugged right now. Blizzard is working on it.
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well I prefer my new account where I learn Zerg, because I want to play on my old account (protoss) from time to time also. I think thats the best solution for your problem
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True, you will be set in the league where you have a 50/50 W/L ratio. Maybe you will end up after 100 games in Bronze, since you have not even a 50/50 ratio in any league.
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On May 19 2011 19:08 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 19:02 starcraft911 wrote:
Iron sharpens iron. You should ALWAYS be aiming to play against the best competition available to you. That's how you get good. Crushing some idiot who takes 2 gas and masses marines w/ no upgrades in bronze isn't going to do anything for you. That's simply not true. If the skill differential is too large then you can only look at your replay and say, "well, I lost because he did absolutely everything better than me." When reviewing a replay, a gold player who plays another gold player can see what he did wrong and what he should do better next time. A gold player who runs into Idra and gets roflstomped into the ground will learn little to nothing.
Even so, you still gain nothing out of free-losing games. 25 games where you got to work with your opening, and see what sort of things don't work is still better than 25 games where you just quit at the start.
And as others have said, if you have decent mechanics and understanding of the game, you're very unlikely to be playing matches where the opponent is doing "absolutely everything better than you". Enough carries over that you will be able to pinpoint specific mistakes. You're still playing the same game.
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Playing against computers is pretty good to learn macro/builds.
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How are they going to crack down on people that lose on purpose? Shit, isn't that your choice to win or lose? I don't remember anything in the ToS that said you must always try to win.
I've heard that you have to win a game to be demoted after a losing streak.
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Yea like others have said, just look up some builds and practice them. Whether it be vs a computer, a custom game, or the people who are better than you on the ladder. Just do some unit composition/build order research, watch replays, and just practice executing it.
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Just learn some basic builds like 4gate and 3gate-expand and go from there. There is no reason to get demoted just to learn a new race
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I think just powering through in the new league even through big loss streaks works quite fine.
I did so when I came back after over half a year of inactivity plus switched from Terran to Protoss, in Diamond league. I had a -12 loss streak or so, but then eventually played 50% afterwards and even got promoted to Master league within the first 90 protoss victories.
Now I'm doing the same with Protoss>Zerg, but I might end up getting demoted soon :D
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Short of buying a second account I do not see a way to play worse players without bombing your ladder record. Perhaps you should try the 1v1 Obs maps. The 1v1 Obs Megalopolis is quite active, the only problem I think you will run into is a few masters players here and there, so I dont believe it would be a consistent practicing method. But it by far will give you the most exposure if you can keep winning.
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Try getting a few practice partners. There are some pretty awesome people who hang out in the Bronze Practice channel (since your location is Ireland, I assume you are on the EU server) and it's a great way to get to learn new build and challenge people from bronze to platinum even. Just pop in and I guarantee you will find a few people willing to help you out with your Protoss play.
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On May 19 2011 19:08 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 19:02 starcraft911 wrote:
Iron sharpens iron. You should ALWAYS be aiming to play against the best competition available to you. That's how you get good. Crushing some idiot who takes 2 gas and masses marines w/ no upgrades in bronze isn't going to do anything for you. That's simply not true. If the skill differential is too large then you can only look at your replay and say, "well, I lost because he did absolutely everything better than me." When reviewing a replay, a gold player who plays another gold player can see what he did wrong and what he should do better next time. A gold player who runs into Idra and gets roflstomped into the ground will learn little to nothing.
This is it xD
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On May 19 2011 19:48 ODKStevez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 19:08 EmeraldSparks wrote:On May 19 2011 19:02 starcraft911 wrote:
Iron sharpens iron. You should ALWAYS be aiming to play against the best competition available to you. That's how you get good. Crushing some idiot who takes 2 gas and masses marines w/ no upgrades in bronze isn't going to do anything for you. That's simply not true. If the skill differential is too large then you can only look at your replay and say, "well, I lost because he did absolutely everything better than me." When reviewing a replay, a gold player who plays another gold player can see what he did wrong and what he should do better next time. A gold player who runs into Idra and gets roflstomped into the ground will learn little to nothing. This is it xD
Except that analogy doesn't really work.
You're not playing against people that are massively better than you. You're playing against people that are roughly equivalent to you in almost every aspect (mechanics, general game-sense, etc.) except for one (race-specific knowledge).
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I don't understand the attitude of the OP. You don't want to lose a ton of games, and your solution for that is losing a ton of games? Is it to say to yourself that you lost on purpose so these games "don't count" or something?
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On May 19 2011 19:32 Probe1 wrote:
How are they going to crack down on people that lose on purpose? Shit, isn't that your choice to win or lose? I don't remember anything in the ToS that said you must always try to win.
They don't want people trying to lose on purpose so they can go down to lower leagues and roflstomp and troll the newer players.
As for the OP I don't quite understand you don't want to lose alot of games, so you just lose on purpose? Anyways if you want to improve you should want to be fighting people who are better than you, the people in your league will have around the same mechanics as you the only difference is they understand the races a bit better, its better to just practice against the people you are up against instead of just losing a million times on purpose to try to go and fight people who have no mechanics at all as to where you will not improve hardly.
Doing what you are doing now is severely slowing your progress at improving as any race.
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Did you go on a tilt after you lost to my all-in on Shattered Temple? I remember you saying how I don't deserve any wins and how I'm going to ruin E-sports, while you ignored me in chat.
Anyways, I think you're definitely higher than platinum. I watched your replay and your macro is at par with other diamond protosses I've met.
Now stop losing games intentionally and play. I'm sure you will catch up with other diamond players pretty fast.
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On May 19 2011 19:21 GoKu` wrote:
The promotion/Demoting is bugged right now. Blizzard is working on it.
Can you provide proof with a link or something?
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On May 19 2011 20:04 DNB wrote:
Did you go on a tilt after you lost to my all-in on Shattered Temple? I remember you saying how I don't deserve any wins and how I'm going to ruin E-sports, while you ignored me in chat.
Anyways, I think you're definitely higher than platinum. I watched your replay and your macro is at par with other diamond protosses I've met.
Now stop losing games intentionally and play. I'm sure you will catch up with other diamond players pretty fast.
Indeed off topic but I apologies for that one. I hate all ins, especially when I see them comming from the start and still can't hold them =[ Just feels really stupid to me.
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you can practice protoss by searching for players in public chat channels or even the teamliquid private channel, also TLpractice is nice. And if that doesn't work, just join a custom melee map, I find people playing Xel Naga and Shattered Temple 24/7 and is a good place to practice without worry.
The other thing is to KEEP playing and trying to win, eventually your MMR will change and pit you up with opponents of similar skill. It doesn't matter what league you are in, only your MMR as that decides who you play, not your rank or league.
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On May 19 2011 19:48 ODKStevez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 19:08 EmeraldSparks wrote:On May 19 2011 19:02 starcraft911 wrote:
Iron sharpens iron. You should ALWAYS be aiming to play against the best competition available to you. That's how you get good. Crushing some idiot who takes 2 gas and masses marines w/ no upgrades in bronze isn't going to do anything for you. That's simply not true. If the skill differential is too large then you can only look at your replay and say, "well, I lost because he did absolutely everything better than me." When reviewing a replay, a gold player who plays another gold player can see what he did wrong and what he should do better next time. A gold player who runs into Idra and gets roflstomped into the ground will learn little to nothing. This is it xD
i personally feel the opposite
a few months ago i was diamond since the game came out and did a solid 51% win over 400 games diamond bracket the entire time. i played a friend of mine who plays wow and was a masters player, i lost 0-2 to him during the peak of people saying pvz was imbalanced and it made me reevaluate my play in a way i would have NEVER done vs lower players (because my sloppy fun macro style play worked in diamond when i didint loose to 1 base all ins). 1 week later i won 12 games in a row and got promoted to masters
i also have a rl friend i play with, he played alone on his acc for a while and did 95% 1 base all ins. i constantly told him what was wrong with his strats but they worked against what seemed to be like really bad players so he kept it up for months. eventually wed both play his account trading off at my house and the account got worked up to high diamond (where you play masters sometimes) and his 1 base strats went from like 55% win to 20% win. after that i coached him on some macro strats and his skill level doubled. he improved even more from this in 1 month than the previous 6 months combined.
you might as well play the computer if you want to demote yourself below platinum or your trading getting better at this game for having fun stomping noobs.
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On May 19 2011 20:05 ODKStevez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 20:04 DNB wrote:
Did you go on a tilt after you lost to my all-in on Shattered Temple? I remember you saying how I don't deserve any wins and how I'm going to ruin E-sports, while you ignored me in chat.
Anyways, I think you're definitely higher than platinum. I watched your replay and your macro is at par with other diamond protosses I've met.
Now stop losing games intentionally and play. I'm sure you will catch up with other diamond players pretty fast. Indeedm off topic but I apologies for that one. I hate all ins, especially when I see them comming from the start and still can't hold them =[ Just feels really stupid to me.
You definitely need to change your attitude if you want to improve. Blaming the game when you lose is a sign of immaturity. Though I agree, that all-in is extremely strong even when the opponent knows how to react, that's why I use it sometimes, especially when people accuse me of being a liquid faker. ;P
You can unblock me and we can practice if you want.
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I know that you probably will not read this because it is on page 3, but have you checked what league the players you are playing against are in?
You will play against bad enemies before you will be demoted. If you lost 40 games in a row you should play against gold level players.
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On May 19 2011 20:09 Xedat wrote:
I know that you probably will not read this because it is on page 3, but have you checked what league the players you are playing against are in?
You will play against bad enemies before you will be demoted. If you lost 40 games in a row you should play against gold level players.
They are all bronze but they are all portrait farmer masters.
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On May 19 2011 20:08 DNB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 20:05 ODKStevez wrote:On May 19 2011 20:04 DNB wrote:
Did you go on a tilt after you lost to my all-in on Shattered Temple? I remember you saying how I don't deserve any wins and how I'm going to ruin E-sports, while you ignored me in chat.
Anyways, I think you're definitely higher than platinum. I watched your replay and your macro is at par with other diamond protosses I've met.
Now stop losing games intentionally and play. I'm sure you will catch up with other diamond players pretty fast. Indeedm off topic but I apologies for that one. I hate all ins, especially when I see them comming from the start and still can't hold them =[ Just feels really stupid to me. You definitely need to change your attitude if you want to improve. Blaming the game when you lose is a sign of immaturity. Though I agree, that all-in is extremely strong even when the opponent knows how to react, that's why I use it sometimes, especially when people accuse me of being a liquid faker. ;P You can unblock me and we can practice if you want.
I took you off ignore about 3 minutes after ;p Also, my attitude isn't usually like that, it is the same as most players with terran ;p Though I know it was my fault and it was my lack of experience, but that doesn't take away that it is so fustrating.
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On May 19 2011 20:04 ODKStevez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 19:21 GoKu` wrote:
The promotion/Demoting is bugged right now. Blizzard is working on it. Can you provide proof with a link or something?
as you probably read, there was even a thread yesterday where bnet us created its own 2nd grandmaster league.
i think i can also remember cases like moman getting dropped from gm and not being in a new league now...
just search for it
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On May 19 2011 20:16 ODKStevez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 20:08 DNB wrote:On May 19 2011 20:05 ODKStevez wrote:On May 19 2011 20:04 DNB wrote:
Did you go on a tilt after you lost to my all-in on Shattered Temple? I remember you saying how I don't deserve any wins and how I'm going to ruin E-sports, while you ignored me in chat.
Anyways, I think you're definitely higher than platinum. I watched your replay and your macro is at par with other diamond protosses I've met.
Now stop losing games intentionally and play. I'm sure you will catch up with other diamond players pretty fast. Indeedm off topic but I apologies for that one. I hate all ins, especially when I see them comming from the start and still can't hold them =[ Just feels really stupid to me. You definitely need to change your attitude if you want to improve. Blaming the game when you lose is a sign of immaturity. Though I agree, that all-in is extremely strong even when the opponent knows how to react, that's why I use it sometimes, especially when people accuse me of being a liquid faker. ;P You can unblock me and we can practice if you want. I took you off ignore about 3 minutes after ;p Also, my attitude isn't usually like that, it is the same as most players with terran ;p Though I know it was my fault and it was my lack of experience, but that doesn't take away that it is so fustrating.
Yeah I understand that. It's normal to be angry, but it tells a lot about a person how they vent their anger.
By the way, I'm curious why do you have recent wins in your match history that have lasted less than 3 minutes? Looking at your build order, you only make 1 probe and your opponents make no workers at all. What is that all about?
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On May 19 2011 20:21 DNB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 20:16 ODKStevez wrote:On May 19 2011 20:08 DNB wrote:On May 19 2011 20:05 ODKStevez wrote:On May 19 2011 20:04 DNB wrote:
Did you go on a tilt after you lost to my all-in on Shattered Temple? I remember you saying how I don't deserve any wins and how I'm going to ruin E-sports, while you ignored me in chat.
Anyways, I think you're definitely higher than platinum. I watched your replay and your macro is at par with other diamond protosses I've met.
Now stop losing games intentionally and play. I'm sure you will catch up with other diamond players pretty fast. Indeedm off topic but I apologies for that one. I hate all ins, especially when I see them comming from the start and still can't hold them =[ Just feels really stupid to me. You definitely need to change your attitude if you want to improve. Blaming the game when you lose is a sign of immaturity. Though I agree, that all-in is extremely strong even when the opponent knows how to react, that's why I use it sometimes, especially when people accuse me of being a liquid faker. ;P You can unblock me and we can practice if you want. I took you off ignore about 3 minutes after ;p Also, my attitude isn't usually like that, it is the same as most players with terran ;p Though I know it was my fault and it was my lack of experience, but that doesn't take away that it is so fustrating. Yeah I understand that. It's normal to be angry, but it tells a lot about a person how they vent their anger. By the way, I'm curious why do you have recent wins in your match history that have lasted less than 3 minutes? Looking at your build order, you only make 1 probe and your opponents make no workers at all. What is that all about?
His MMR is so low hes fighting portrait farmers, meaning when he gets demoted hes going down to bronze.
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So why does it matter in which league you are in?! O_o The opponents you get are based on the MMR right?
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Yeah that's what I guess too. Then again he just lost a game against a bronze terran by not building anything at all for the 8 minutes. I really don't get it why he is doing this.
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On May 19 2011 20:21 DNB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 20:16 ODKStevez wrote:On May 19 2011 20:08 DNB wrote:On May 19 2011 20:05 ODKStevez wrote:On May 19 2011 20:04 DNB wrote:
Did you go on a tilt after you lost to my all-in on Shattered Temple? I remember you saying how I don't deserve any wins and how I'm going to ruin E-sports, while you ignored me in chat.
Anyways, I think you're definitely higher than platinum. I watched your replay and your macro is at par with other diamond protosses I've met.
Now stop losing games intentionally and play. I'm sure you will catch up with other diamond players pretty fast. Indeedm off topic but I apologies for that one. I hate all ins, especially when I see them comming from the start and still can't hold them =[ Just feels really stupid to me. You definitely need to change your attitude if you want to improve. Blaming the game when you lose is a sign of immaturity. Though I agree, that all-in is extremely strong even when the opponent knows how to react, that's why I use it sometimes, especially when people accuse me of being a liquid faker. ;P You can unblock me and we can practice if you want. I took you off ignore about 3 minutes after ;p Also, my attitude isn't usually like that, it is the same as most players with terran ;p Though I know it was my fault and it was my lack of experience, but that doesn't take away that it is so fustrating. Yeah I understand that. It's normal to be angry, but it tells a lot about a person how they vent their anger. By the way, I'm curious why do you have recent wins in your match history that have lasted less than 3 minutes? Looking at your build order, you only make 1 probe and your opponents make no workers at all. What is that all about?
Stuck witha bunch of portrait farmers, no idea what is going on, trying to figure it out atm, and also, you were the first person that I got really fustrated at ;p
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On May 19 2011 19:21 GoKu` wrote:
The promotion/Demoting is bugged right now. Blizzard is working on it.
It is? I've been trying to get into masters on my 2nd account for over 150 games now, constantly playing against 800+ masters, win rate is around 60%, yet I just keep getting points in diamond, almost #1 in the world in diamond league 
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On May 19 2011 20:15 ODKStevez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 20:09 Xedat wrote:
I know that you probably will not read this because it is on page 3, but have you checked what league the players you are playing against are in?
You will play against bad enemies before you will be demoted. If you lost 40 games in a row you should play against gold level players. They are all bronze but they are all portrait farmer masters.
Okay if this is true, it's pretty awesome. The MMR system must be better than I thought If is let's people who lose intentionally just play against each other.
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Go to the practice partner threads.
Rather than intentionally losing 100 games to practice against bad players, just go through the practice partner thread and find ones at the level you want.
That way, once you feel comfortable with Protoss, you don't need to rework yourself through the ladder. Customs are your friends.
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On May 19 2011 20:36 ODKStevez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 20:21 DNB wrote:On May 19 2011 20:16 ODKStevez wrote:On May 19 2011 20:08 DNB wrote:On May 19 2011 20:05 ODKStevez wrote:On May 19 2011 20:04 DNB wrote:
Did you go on a tilt after you lost to my all-in on Shattered Temple? I remember you saying how I don't deserve any wins and how I'm going to ruin E-sports, while you ignored me in chat.
Anyways, I think you're definitely higher than platinum. I watched your replay and your macro is at par with other diamond protosses I've met.
Now stop losing games intentionally and play. I'm sure you will catch up with other diamond players pretty fast. Indeedm off topic but I apologies for that one. I hate all ins, especially when I see them comming from the start and still can't hold them =[ Just feels really stupid to me. You definitely need to change your attitude if you want to improve. Blaming the game when you lose is a sign of immaturity. Though I agree, that all-in is extremely strong even when the opponent knows how to react, that's why I use it sometimes, especially when people accuse me of being a liquid faker. ;P You can unblock me and we can practice if you want. I took you off ignore about 3 minutes after ;p Also, my attitude isn't usually like that, it is the same as most players with terran ;p Though I know it was my fault and it was my lack of experience, but that doesn't take away that it is so fustrating. Yeah I understand that. It's normal to be angry, but it tells a lot about a person how they vent their anger. By the way, I'm curious why do you have recent wins in your match history that have lasted less than 3 minutes? Looking at your build order, you only make 1 probe and your opponents make no workers at all. What is that all about? Stuck witha bunch of portrait farmers, no idea what is going on, trying to figure it out atm, and also, you were the first person that I got really fustrated at ;p
Are you losing against bronze players intentionally now? Dude, just take a break from SC2 for a few days, even a week. You seem like you're on a bad passive tilt...
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On May 19 2011 18:23 ODKStevez wrote:
Hey TL. I know demoting oneself to the lower leagues is frowned upon, but the fact is, I am a Low diamond/high platinum Zerg player and I reciently made the change over to the Protoss. And in platinum, I continually lose. My match history before I started to deliberately demote myself was aweful, I had at least 25 games lost in a row (mainly cause I don't kow builds yet) but I wanted to demote myself where I can learn in the gold leagues at a fair ratio and no get fustrated losing every time.
Is anyone else having this problem, I was able to do it once before for Terran (I regretted that one as I don't like terran), but I know that I want to stick with Protoss, even though I lose, it is still a fun race and I really want to get better without wanting to kill myself! ^^
Any suggestions that do not include buying a new version of Starcraft 2?
Note: I have left over 60 games now in a row and it is still putting me against platinum players and even master players 5 times so far... I just don't understand the system, a I doing something wrong?
Just check for builds at Liquipedia? Getting Diamond with Zerg is much harder than winning games in Platinum with Protoss.
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Your league doesn't mean anything for matchmaking. It's all dependent on your hidden MMR. If you lose a lot, you will start to play vs gold players, and if you win a lot, you will start to play vs diamond players regardless of your league.
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If you're playing farmers I guess you should win a few games ASAP or your MMR will get so tanked you'll be stuck down there for a long time. You won't get demoted until you win a few games because the system thinks you are so bad it can't place you yet.
Also I feel sorry for the bronze players you will face when you start to play properly. Comeon. A diamond Zerg with a few hours on YABOT can play gold Protoss I'm sure and vice versa.
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All frowning aside...
I might be incorrect as this is just my personal experience but... From what I understand the ladder system does not simply check for wins and losses, it also checks a bunch of statistics on how you performed in the game compared to your opponent.
A friend of mine got promoted to platinum after having to throw a game where he was in the lead but as he had to rush his sister to the hospital he had to surrender the game. He was ahead in everything, and so he got promoted.
With that in mind it would probably be _faster_ to actually play the games and try your best than to just leave the game a few seconds in as in the latter case the difference between you and your opponent would be very slim.
Not to mention you would actually improve your skills on the way.
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On May 19 2011 20:39 DNB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 20:36 ODKStevez wrote:On May 19 2011 20:21 DNB wrote:On May 19 2011 20:16 ODKStevez wrote:On May 19 2011 20:08 DNB wrote:On May 19 2011 20:05 ODKStevez wrote:On May 19 2011 20:04 DNB wrote:
Did you go on a tilt after you lost to my all-in on Shattered Temple? I remember you saying how I don't deserve any wins and how I'm going to ruin E-sports, while you ignored me in chat.
Anyways, I think you're definitely higher than platinum. I watched your replay and your macro is at par with other diamond protosses I've met.
Now stop losing games intentionally and play. I'm sure you will catch up with other diamond players pretty fast. Indeedm off topic but I apologies for that one. I hate all ins, especially when I see them comming from the start and still can't hold them =[ Just feels really stupid to me. You definitely need to change your attitude if you want to improve. Blaming the game when you lose is a sign of immaturity. Though I agree, that all-in is extremely strong even when the opponent knows how to react, that's why I use it sometimes, especially when people accuse me of being a liquid faker. ;P You can unblock me and we can practice if you want. I took you off ignore about 3 minutes after ;p Also, my attitude isn't usually like that, it is the same as most players with terran ;p Though I know it was my fault and it was my lack of experience, but that doesn't take away that it is so fustrating. Yeah I understand that. It's normal to be angry, but it tells a lot about a person how they vent their anger. By the way, I'm curious why do you have recent wins in your match history that have lasted less than 3 minutes? Looking at your build order, you only make 1 probe and your opponents make no workers at all. What is that all about? Stuck witha bunch of portrait farmers, no idea what is going on, trying to figure it out atm, and also, you were the first person that I got really fustrated at ;p Are you losing against bronze players intentionally now? Dude, just take a break from SC2 for a few days, even a week. You seem like you're on a bad passive tilt...
Nono lol, i'm fine xD Im just stuck with all these portrat farmers. xD Not sure how to get out, just gonna keep trying, im just watching GTSL in the background anyway xD
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If you are playing portrait farmers you had better start winning now lol
Your MMR has probably tanked so low that it has gone beyond Bronze league and is only hitting others that have intentionally tanked their MMR down.
Better start playing properly now :p
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On May 19 2011 20:40 Mercury- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 18:23 ODKStevez wrote:
Hey TL. I know demoting oneself to the lower leagues is frowned upon, but the fact is, I am a Low diamond/high platinum Zerg player and I reciently made the change over to the Protoss. And in platinum, I continually lose. My match history before I started to deliberately demote myself was aweful, I had at least 25 games lost in a row (mainly cause I don't kow builds yet) but I wanted to demote myself where I can learn in the gold leagues at a fair ratio and no get fustrated losing every time.
Is anyone else having this problem, I was able to do it once before for Terran (I regretted that one as I don't like terran), but I know that I want to stick with Protoss, even though I lose, it is still a fun race and I really want to get better without wanting to kill myself! ^^
Any suggestions that do not include buying a new version of Starcraft 2?
Note: I have left over 60 games now in a row and it is still putting me against platinum players and even master players 5 times so far... I just don't understand the system, a I doing something wrong? Just check for builds at Liquipedia? Getting Diamond with Zerg is much harder than winning games in Platinum with Protoss.
It may surprise you but I found zerg too easy and went to Protoss for the challange. Though, I admit that the current mess I am in isn't a challange.
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Why dont you just use your guest passes ?
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i think tanking players have the lowest mmr (people with less than 10% win in the last 50 games), then you have portrait farmers (they tanked but then started doing 50/50 in bronze) then regular bronze players (50/50 in real bronze but over 50% win because they get free wins).
i think you tanked way too low loosing 60+ in a row for anything but portrait farming, you wont learn a thing in that bracket. id have suggested 15-20 games if you insist on trying to get better that way.
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On May 19 2011 19:08 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 19:02 starcraft911 wrote:
Iron sharpens iron. You should ALWAYS be aiming to play against the best competition available to you. That's how you get good. Crushing some idiot who takes 2 gas and masses marines w/ no upgrades in bronze isn't going to do anything for you. That's simply not true. If the skill differential is too large then you can only look at your replay and say, "well, I lost because he did absolutely everything better than me." When reviewing a replay, a gold player who plays another gold player can see what he did wrong and what he should do better next time. A gold player who runs into Idra and gets roflstomped into the ground will learn little to nothing.
cant speak for gold players, but i have played people who are faaaaaaar better than me and thats where i learned.
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On May 19 2011 18:23 ODKStevez wrote:
My match history before I started to deliberately demote myself was aweful, I had at least 25 games lost in a row (mainly cause I don't kow builds yet) but I wanted to demote myself where I can learn in the gold leagues at a fair ratio and no get fustrated losing every time.
The league you are in has no relevance whatsoever for the level of the opponents you get. Its all about MMR. I seriously wonder why this misconception still exists.
Still i dont understand why you dont get worse opponents after loosing that may games.
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Just keep playing. The game will give you opponents below your league if you are losing a lot. Moving down doesn't necessarily mean you will play easier opponents. Plus, playing people better than yourself is a good way to improve. You're less likely to make less mistakes when you're punished more often for making them. Weaker players will exploit your mistakes less and less, and you likely will not be able to identify them as a result.
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On May 19 2011 20:56 ODKStevez wrote:
It may surprise you but I found zerg too easy and went to Protoss for the challange. Though, I admit that the current mess I am in isn't a challange.
That does sound surprising =P. Were you playing macro zerg or more of a 2base all-in mostly? If you're actually good at scouting and macroing, two things that are pretty key to playing zerg well past platinum IMO then I don't see why you wouldn't be able to play platinum level protoss. You don't need THAT many games to figure out one or two good starting build orders for any race, and after that as long as you can scout and macro you should be able to hit platinum league.
I'd try playing the AI for a bit to see what does and doesn't work in terms of unit composition/timings. With that and good macro there shouldn't be any way you're not platinum level.
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On a related note I really hope Blizzard fixes the broken promotion system soon.
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I played macro zerg, I am strongly against cheese with all races.
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On May 19 2011 20:49 ypolt wrote:
All frowning aside...
I might be incorrect as this is just my personal experience but... From what I understand the ladder system does not simply check for wins and losses, it also checks a bunch of statistics on how you performed in the game compared to your opponent.
A friend of mine got promoted to platinum after having to throw a game where he was in the lead but as he had to rush his sister to the hospital he had to surrender the game. He was ahead in everything, and so he got promoted.
With that in mind it would probably be _faster_ to actually play the games and try your best than to just leave the game a few seconds in as in the latter case the difference between you and your opponent would be very slim.
Not to mention you would actually improve your skills on the way.
Completely incorrect. Ladder system does not check statistics, just checks wins and losses. I got promoted to diamond after a loss, probably because my MMR was stabilizing in the diamond bracket
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Play build order testers to get a few builds down. Play customs with or without practice partners to try them out against other players. Find a Diamond Protoss to coach you. Don't just play ladder.
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On May 19 2011 20:04 DNB wrote:
Did you go on a tilt after you lost to my all-in on Shattered Temple? I remember you saying how I don't deserve any wins and how I'm going to ruin E-sports, while you ignored me in chat.
Anyways, I think you're definitely higher than platinum. I watched your replay and your macro is at par with other diamond protosses I've met.
Now stop losing games intentionally and play. I'm sure you will catch up with other diamond players pretty fast.
You still have be on ignore. I am worker rushing to get out of this bunch of players that I have been up against over and over.
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I did the same thing few days ago. Didn't work. Lost probably ~100 games, either insta leaves or worker-rushes and eventually the game started giving me bronze players to play with. But those are 99% of the time guys using loss-bots, probably going for achievements/portraits.
I got sick of leaving and not getting demoted (so I could switch races since I reached my protoss skill ceiling: top 30 in my diamond league, anywhere between 30-15) and I started playing protoss again smashing bronze players left and right. After 30-40 games like that the game continues to match me against bronze players but somehow it gave me 600 points all of a sudden and moved me from 80th to 25th. Now I continue to play against bronze players and win but it doesn't give me any points lol.
I wonder when it will figure out that my MMR has gone back to normal (ie bad) and start giving me other diamond/plat players.
I wish Blizz would include 1 MMR reset at least. It's frustrating when you reach your best and you are still frustrated 80% of the time.
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I would pay for the chance to play people better than me. The only way to get better is to beat people better than you.
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If you play the multitask trainer and practice a build order on that enough to actually start beating the normal mode, I think you'll be on par with the platinum level skill.
That's at least what happened with me when I swtiched to zerg from protoss.
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On May 19 2011 18:31 ODKStevez wrote:
Just looking at my match histroy, the system is putting me against OTHER people that are doing the same thing as me, all their match histroys show losses with 3 seconds inbetween, I don't wanna get myself trapped with all the masters noob farmers =[
sounds like karma
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Why not just play until the system decides it thinks you are in the right place for your skill level? The whole pretext for this thread seems stupid to me. You could be playing and practising your new race. Instead, you will spend hours spamming losses, checking loss spammers profiles and starting threads.
Play the game, don't try to game the game.
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Don't worry -- even if you haven't been demoted by Blizzard, you'll always be demoted in my eyes.
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Play against your opponents anyway.
You're stuck in platinum and bad with your new race. You may be set up against similar people (those with low MMRs but oddly high leagues) but have no idea if you keep leaving the game.
Or just keep leaving. That'll eventually work too.
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while you can't demote yourself you can demote your play style and let the MMR do the magic! But seriously just keep playing and the MMR will determine your position. Also, if you are in plat you can still play vs not plat players.
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Honestly, I think the basis of the OP is wrong. I'm a high plat/low diamond player and would LOVE to be getting consistently matched up against high masters players and getting curbstomped every game. At my level, if I scout an all-in and survive it, I still have no idea if I defended it correctly or my opponent just made more macro errors than I did. Getting matched up against pros, I'd lose every game, but I'd learn piles and piles from every match, and since the whole point of playing a competitive game is to get better (at least for me), staying at the same level despite losing would be ideal.
My issue is actually the opposite; if I have a bad day and go 2-18 over a few days, I end up playing against high gold players that I can beat simply by a-moving my larger army against them for a week. Winning games like that is simply no fun, and doesn't to anything to help me improve as a player.
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If you are determined to demote yourself, I am pretty sure that you will need to mix in some wins in order to be replaced. The system doesn't have any idea where you stand because you keep losing. It needs you to stabilize in order to reevaluate your position on the ladder.
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I would suggest just play custom games for now and if you find the matchup you dont want you can always just leave . when i play in custom matches there are some odd chances where you'll find somenoe who is diamond+
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I tried to demote from diamond because I switched from T to Random. I lost 60 games in a row, no demotion. Then on the 61st, I got demoted to Silver. :O Awkward. :S
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Don't demote yourself... its not worth it. I saw this mentioned before but I'll reiterate since I believe it to be the best option available. Play some 2v2, not to practice strategy, but builds and mechanics. Don't worry if the guy you're playing with was pissed because you didn't cannon rush with him, its okay, nobody cares about team games. Just make sure you're constantly building probes and keeping up with the proper timings and unit micro. Eventually you'll get good enough that you'll start winning in your current league; demotion is not necessary.
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I don't understand why you want to be demoted soo badly. No offense but being a high level platinum player doesn't mean your going to be facing ridiculously unforgiving opponents. If you can play zerg at that level you should be able to play protoss at around the same level. And obviously you don't care about losing rating so just hop in a match, and be like 'imma pwn this kid... DT rush aww yeah' and then execute. Just have fun you'll be winning matches in no time.
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I wanted to do the same thing when i switched races, then i decided against it. I just watched replays picked a strategy for each matchup and tried the basics out in build order tester.
Than i tried it on ladder, despite a lost a lot, whenever i lost i watched the replay and learned from that. You learn more from playing higher level of people than lower level of people.
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I don't see why you would purposely lose. You can still play the games out and learn as much as you can.
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On May 19 2011 20:04 ODKStevez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 19:21 GoKu` wrote:
The promotion/Demoting is bugged right now. Blizzard is working on it. Can you provide proof with a link or something?
I've been looking and haven't seen any promotions or demotions in a couple different places I check. Has anyone have personal experience being promoted or demoted in the last couple of days?
If it's true that it's not bugged, we should be able to debunk it pretty quickly.
And if it is true, maybe we can find out exactly when the bug first appeared.
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Demotion/Promotion doesn't matter it's your MMR anyway.
Also, just find a friend to work out some build orders, go play some custom games (Shatter temple or Xel Naga are pretty popular), you usually get a range of players from Silver-Diamond on there anyway.
It's not like all of a sudden being Gold will allow you to play your race on even footing. You already have plat/diamond level mechanics, just spend a few days getting used to the race and learn a couple build orders, it's not that hard to change races if you're not a competitive level.
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I have to say even though its disheartening just keep working through. The times where I improved the fastest was when I was playing people 2 leagues above me. I would get pounded. But it forces you to play at that level or see what your play has to be to be at that level. ESPECIALLY if you have the mechanics to be at that level with another race. Just keep going you will either demote or get your skill eventually (btw dont leave games fast apparently blizzard might ban for that due to portrait farmers)
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On May 19 2011 19:08 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 19:02 starcraft911 wrote:
Iron sharpens iron. You should ALWAYS be aiming to play against the best competition available to you. That's how you get good. Crushing some idiot who takes 2 gas and masses marines w/ no upgrades in bronze isn't going to do anything for you. That's simply not true. If the skill differential is too large then you can only look at your replay and say, "well, I lost because he did absolutely everything better than me." When reviewing a replay, a gold player who plays another gold player can see what he did wrong and what he should do better next time. A gold player who runs into Idra and gets roflstomped into the ground will learn little to nothing.
It's funny, because winning or losing has very little to do with improvement. You can still look at a replay to see how you played, no matter how good or bad your opponent is.
The fact that people worry so much about winning or losing in these lower leagues is probably one of the reasons why they're actually still stuck there. Improving for the sake of improving is just vastly superior to improving to win.
In fact, he should aim to play against the best possible players, and see how long he lasts and what he did wrong. Not base your play against bad players who does everything wrong. Nothing is gained from that.
Ways you can learn how to properly learn in this game is to only focusing on few aspects at the time. For example: on constant production of workers for 10 games in a row and avoiding supply blocks. Never watch your army, never micro. It wont win you games at first, but you can be certain it will help you develop your play vastly more then microing 5 marauders vs a couple zealots and a couple stalkers. Make goals and reach your goals, no matter what opponent you're playing. Demoting is just selfdestructive.
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stop wasting time on leaving games and just play^^
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On May 19 2011 19:54 blackone wrote:
I don't understand the attitude of the OP. You don't want to lose a ton of games, and your solution for that is losing a ton of games? Is it to say to yourself that you lost on purpose so these games "don't count" or something?
No, he just doesn't want to get his face kicked in repeatedly for 25 straight games. That's Fing demoralizing.
Better to start from a low place and move up rather than start from a high place and fall down
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On May 20 2011 06:50 ensign_lee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 19:54 blackone wrote:
I don't understand the attitude of the OP. You don't want to lose a ton of games, and your solution for that is losing a ton of games? Is it to say to yourself that you lost on purpose so these games "don't count" or something? No, he just doesn't want to get his face kicked in repeatedly for 25 straight games. That's Fing demoralizing. Better to start from a low place and move up rather than start from a high place and fall down
Why should it be demoralizing?
It's ladder, it means nothing, you don't even see your losses anymore unless that's changed recently...
That's 25 games he could have learned his builds, 25 games he could have worked on micro...25 games he could have worked on ANYTHING.
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You'll improve faster when playing against opponents who are better than you, rather than bashing people below or at your own level.
If winning is more important to you, than improving, I guess you'll have to get a smurf account to start over in the lower leagues.
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I don't understand if you're trying to intentionally demote yourself, wouldn't losing while learning a new race work anyways?
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On May 20 2011 06:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't understand if you're trying to intentionally demote yourself, wouldn't losing while learning a new race work anyways?
Have you tried learning a new race? I know that learning zerg was definitely a lot faster in lower leagues where you have the opportunity to practice injecting and spreading creep and spreading overlords and learning the nature of the economy without having to constantly scout to make sure I wasn't going to die in the next 20 seconds because my opponent was hiding an all-in. Sure, you could do this in singleplayer, but it's not the same as practicing your mechanics and picking up on things you could do better while having to spend some time paying attention to what your opponent is doing. When you're playing in diamond or masters and figuring out builds and mechanics and strategy all at the same time, it's tough to get better at any of them.
It's also just human nature to get satisfaction from progressing through leagues as you learn. I don't really feel like I'm improving when I'm wallowing in a league I'm not good enough to be in, slowly being demoted.
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It doesn't take the system very long to adjust your mmr to face lower league opponents after a huge losing streak, especially below masters. Your league doesn't determine who you play.
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When i was frustrated in certain MUs I played a CRAP TON of custom games(didn't play ladder for like 1 month). I was gold, I was getting paired with diamonds and when i got comfortable, I returned to laddering and SMASHED F***IN' FACES. So yea, go play customs(also way less chance they will be all ining you)
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On May 20 2011 07:06 scorch- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 06:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't understand if you're trying to intentionally demote yourself, wouldn't losing while learning a new race work anyways? Have you tried learning a new race? I know that learning zerg was definitely a lot faster in lower leagues where you have the opportunity to practice injecting and spreading creep and spreading overlords and learning the nature of the economy without having to constantly scout to make sure I wasn't going to die in the next 20 seconds because my opponent was hiding an all-in. Sure, you could do this in singleplayer, but it's not the same as practicing your mechanics and picking up on things you could do better while having to spend some time paying attention to what your opponent is doing. When you're playing in diamond or masters and figuring out builds and mechanics and strategy all at the same time, it's tough to get better at any of them. It's also just human nature to get satisfaction from progressing through leagues as you learn. I don't really feel like I'm improving when I'm wallowing in a league I'm not good enough to be in, slowly being demoted.
What i did when i switched to zerg was just spamming games against the AI, not giving a shit about him and only practiced mechanics for like 2 weeks. I was diamond back then since i had like a 2k bonus pool but i had no trouble winning the majority of my games after going back to 1v1's.
I don't really see much benefit from starting out in the lower leagues, maybe if you get really nervous when you play It could be good.
I realize most people wouldn't wanna practice games against the AI though, since It's pretty boring
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just man up and play.... you will learn quicker playing harder opponents. or go play custom games until your comfortable.
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I lost on purpose at the end of season 1 because I wanted to get demoted and switch to random. Unfortunately I lost quite a few games but never got demoted. (This wasn't when leagues were locked either.) Then when season 2 started and I played my placement match...
I got demoted from master straight to bottom of bronze.
Who knows man, MMR can be a very fickle thing.
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As long as you have a basic understanding of mechanics (macro-ing, basic build) you should play against as good competition as you can!
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 20 2011 07:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I lost on purpose at the end of season 1 because I wanted to get demoted and switch to random. Unfortunately I lost quite a few games but never got demoted. (This wasn't when leagues were locked either.) Then when season 2 started and I played my placement match...
I got demoted from master straight to bottom of bronze.
Who knows man, MMR can be a very fickle thing.
Whoa, masters to bronze?? If that happened to me, I'd be quitting SC2 already, LOL!
As for the OP - it does seem like battle.net is not in the mood for demotions lately.
After getting promoted to diamond on the placement match for season 2, my play has been inconsistent at best. After taking a 5-day break, watching my own replays have been downright discouraging - missed injects, supply blocks, not scouting, wrong interpretation of scouting, etc etc. So bad that I've been matched with rank1 gold players, TWICE. Knock on wood, but if battle.net thinks I'm only slightly favored against gold players, then I deserve to get demoted to back to platinum, right? Nope, hasn't happened yet (thankfully, LOL!)
I say just do your best and not worry too much about your losses. Spend the time to analyze each replay regardless of whether it's a win or loss, and work on the little things to keep on improving.
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On May 20 2011 07:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I lost on purpose at the end of season 1 because I wanted to get demoted and switch to random. Unfortunately I lost quite a few games but never got demoted. (This wasn't when leagues were locked either.) Then when season 2 started and I played my placement match...
I got demoted from master straight to bottom of bronze.
Who knows man, MMR can be a very fickle thing.
The system won't demote you until it has some measure of confidence in what league it should demote you to (and that means winning games). The farther you try to demote yourself the more uncertain the system becomes in your rating, and the more games you will have to win before it will choose a new league for you.
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You won't get demoted (or promoted) until your MMR stabilizes. Therefore you need to play some games to reduce your uncertainty so the system can figure out where you belong. Either that or play 2v2 and learn the builds.
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On May 19 2011 19:02 starcraft911 wrote:
Intentionally losing matches for any reason is abusing the ladder and you're right that is frowned upon.
If you ever want to be a good player you need to sack up and realize that losing is necessary for learning. If you're picking up a new race and you're getting shitstomped then play for the early game in a safe route using standard 'safe' builds and try to last as long as you can. Eventually you will either figure it out and start winning or you will get demoted and start winning.
Iron sharpens iron. You should ALWAYS be aiming to play against the best competition available to you. That's how you get good. Crushing some idiot who takes 2 gas and masses marines w/ no upgrades in bronze isn't going to do anything for you.
This.
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You know what...Edited, nm just gonna end up with some jackass parroting how the system works.
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When I switched to Zerg from Protoss I went from a diamond player to a high gold player. It was extremely frustrating trying to learn Zerg at the diamond level and I can totally understand someone wanting to skip that frustration by lowering their mmr a little. I actually ended up getting a second account so that I can piss around at the gold level on my Zerg account and then go play my Diamond Toss when I was in the mood.
I would not suggest lowering yourself all the way back to bronze, however. I believe the OP said he was a plat player so he should be fine learning his new race at the gold/silver level. 20-30 losses will probably put you there. And you do not need to be reclassified to start playing for real again. Just lose a bunch of games, look at your opponents rank and you will have an idea at where Blizzard thinks your ability is at.
On a side note, there seems to be a lot of arguing over people's approach to the ladder. Some people say to just play and let the ladder put you where you belong and others say that it is too demoralizing losing all of those games. I think it should be up to the player and their mindset. Everyone approaches the game differently and if they are bothered by losing then they might want to lower their mmr to play from the bottom up. However, if you do not mind losing and just enjoy playing the game, then by all means, stay where you are and take your losses like a champ. In other words, do what feels right to you.
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The league/ladder system is frozen atm, no promotions or demotions.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37014 Posts
Can't u just register a diff email account?
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Just let me play your account and I'll have you demoted in no time.
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Just because you are not demoted does not mean your MMR is not dropping and you are still playing people better than you nonstop. I would not recommend practicing mechanics on team games, I would rather you play Very Hard AI.
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You actually have demoted yourself, your MMr is showing it by matching you with portrait farmers. Unfortunately, promotions are locked right now (source below). No-one is moving up or down due to some bug created from the hotfix a week or two ago adjusting league thresholds (TL thread called Secret Grandmaster League about the bug)
Battle.net thread - Exkalibur_Z who wrote the ladder thread here and on the Bnet forums.
This is kind of a different situation. There's evidence that appears to show otherwise, originating around the 12th or the 13th when the regional GM webpages started to return error messages.
As you know, there was a hotfix deployed a few weeks back that changed the MMR boundaries for each league, effectively adjusting the league population percentages. That hotfix was applied to the remaining regions a little over a week ago. I've been monitoring the sizes of the leagues using SC2Ranks' Stats page using a cached version of the page from Monday and a current version of the page, to see how things have shifted. I was particularly interested in the LA server, which had 55% of its total population in Bronze. That server's Bronze population was dropping by about 1-2% per day after the hotfix was applied, and of course that goal of 20ish% isn't going to be reached overnight. About a week ago, that number froze at 50.5% and it hasn't moved since.
Exkalibur_Z ladder guide
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On May 20 2011 11:29 twstdletz wrote:You actually have demoted yourself, your MMr is showing it by matching you with portrait farmers. Unfortunately, promotions are locked right now (source below). No-one is moving up or down due to some bug created from the hotfix a week or two ago adjusting league thresholds (TL thread called Secret Grandmaster League about the bug) Battle.net thread - Exkalibur_Z who wrote the ladder thread here and on the Bnet forums. Show nested quote +This is kind of a different situation. There's evidence that appears to show otherwise, originating around the 12th or the 13th when the regional GM webpages started to return error messages.
As you know, there was a hotfix deployed a few weeks back that changed the MMR boundaries for each league, effectively adjusting the league population percentages. That hotfix was applied to the remaining regions a little over a week ago. I've been monitoring the sizes of the leagues using SC2Ranks' Stats page using a cached version of the page from Monday and a current version of the page, to see how things have shifted. I was particularly interested in the LA server, which had 55% of its total population in Bronze. That server's Bronze population was dropping by about 1-2% per day after the hotfix was applied, and of course that goal of 20ish% isn't going to be reached overnight. About a week ago, that number froze at 50.5% and it hasn't moved since. Exkalibur_Z ladder guide
I want to clarify here that it's not the MMR threshold change hotfix that caused this issue, this is instead related to the second GM division that appeared as a result of a bug.
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2 words of advice:
Play 1v1 obs metalopolis lots of mixed ranked players in there, I usually play once or twice before i start laddering to warm up my mechanics.
Play on PTR when it's available, Games don't count!!
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