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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On May 22 2011 12:37 sambo400 wrote: I think the biggest problem is that GSL's are month long tournaments. I don't think GSL by itself is a problem by any means. It's the lack of other notable SC2 tournaments in Korea and I'm hoping the recent agreement between KeSPA and Blizzard will introduce a few more high profile tournaments in South Korea. | ||
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uberdeluxe
Canada306 Posts
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hmmm...
632 Posts
you should come out and correct your misinformation on the OP. if you've read the thread and especially the last couple of pages, you would know you are WRONG in parts of your argument. given that many teamliquid members SOMEHOW trust you enough to blindly believe everything you write as truth, you at least owe them the truth by editing the OP unless your goal is to spread misinformation and paint the GSL as a problem. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10352 Posts
There is a Korean problem, it looks like they are trying to fix it. That would be nice. Interesting insight into the decision making of a team leader. Thanks for writing. There is still no guaranteed spot in code S to a foreigner. We should just train harder and want it more. | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On May 23 2011 05:31 ComaDose wrote: haterssss There is a Korean problem, it looks like they are trying to fix it. That would be nice. Interesting insight into the decision making of a team leader. Thanks for writing. There is still no guaranteed spot in code S to a foreigner. We should just train harder and want it more. Well after MLG columbus there is a guaranteed spot for code s for the winner of the tournament. If the winner happens to be korean then they give 4 code a spots instead of three, if the korean that wins is already in code s then the person in second place gets code s instead. | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On May 22 2011 15:14 hmmm... wrote: Xeris, you should come out and correct your misinformation on the OP. if you've read the thread and especially the last couple of pages, you would know you are WRONG in parts of your argument. given that many teamliquid members SOMEHOW trust you enough to blindly believe everything you write as truth, you at least owe them the truth by editing the OP unless your goal is to spread misinformation and paint the GSL as a problem. Agreed i dont know how many times this has been said. I think a mod should at least make a note in the post if they are going to put it in the spotlight section. Soooo many people just read the OP and blindly agree with xeris as you have said. With the new format moost of the problems xeris has stated are invalid that and the fact that there is a Code S seed for MLG after columbus. I honestly dont see how 5 days of code a would on an all expenses paid trip would be a huge burden for any progamer, after the 5 days you will know if you have gotten to the up and down matches or not, or you will have already lost and be on your way home at no costs to yourself because its all expenses paid. Whats the harm in going there and trying out code a. Also people keep saying gsl is a month long tournament but i have never known it to be more than three weeks from the start of code a until the finals. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:05 meegrean wrote: The way Koreans organize these tournaments make them seem so xenophobic. I had to be careful typing this post, because I wanted to insult you so much. You're basically buying into the Xeris/Catz whine propaganda that Korea is out to keep the white man down. Is that a joke? They provide HOUSING for foreigners. Does any Western league/tourney provide housing for out of country participants? Yes, you have to move to Korea to compete in GSL. It's because their venue is live with live players. It has NOTHING to do with a desire to keep foreigners out. Why aren't you complaining that MLG requires people to travel to MLG? Or Dreamhack? Does that make MLG xenophobic? This post is ranty, but the ignorance of this post and others in this thread are astounding. Can people use some critical thinking instead of blindly accepting misinformation in the original post? | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On May 23 2011 15:02 RaLakedaimon wrote: Nice job on that you explained on your points really well, I was wondering for a while why so few foreign players were in KR but now i know, appreciate the info! You should read the rest of the thread, or Xeris or a mod should edit the OP. At first that was a legitimate error, now that posts like this one keep coming this looks like total disinformation. | ||
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Roffu
United States143 Posts
Just sayin. | ||
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FlyingPanda
United States7 Posts
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On May 23 2011 14:51 Ocedic wrote: I had to be careful typing this post, because I wanted to insult you so much. You're basically buying into the Xeris/Catz whine propaganda that Korea is out to keep the white man down. Is that a joke? They provide HOUSING for foreigners. Does any Western league/tourney provide housing for out of country participants? Yes, you have to move to Korea to compete in GSL. It's because their venue is live with live players. It has NOTHING to do with a desire to keep foreigners out. Why aren't you complaining that MLG requires people to travel to MLG? Or Dreamhack? Does that make MLG xenophobic? This post is ranty, but the ignorance of this post and others in this thread are astounding. Can people use some critical thinking instead of blindly accepting misinformation in the original post? Agreed. Those ignorant posts just keep popping up everywhere. Xenophobic? What part of: 1) Giving all foreigners an automatic entrance to Code B (Code A qualifier) 2) Listening to the foreign fans' opinions and then handing out 4 Code A spots to selected foreigners 3) Providing a foreigner house 4) Inviting 8 popular foreigners to Korea while providing their travel expenses and housing so that they can compete in GSL 5) Forming a partnership with MLG so that GSL becomes more accessible to the foreigners. is xenophobic? Do people really want GSL to be played in a single weekend and broadcast maybe 5% of the games played with players playing 30 games in two days? | ||
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theinfamousone
United States103 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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Sandro
897 Posts
On May 23 2011 16:21 0neder wrote: Foreigners can whine about a Korean problem all they want, and the longer they do it, the further Koreans will pull away in the talent/skill level race because of their hard work and training regimen. Agreed, white people are too lazy/decadent and the asians put in all the hard work. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On May 23 2011 16:26 Sandro wrote: Agreed, white people are too lazy/decadent and the asians put in all the hard work. Well, it's not simply because the Koreans put in more "work"; it's that they have a better environment to work in, what with the team houses and just that general atmosphere that encourages hard work. I mean, I personally have no issues sitting down and playing SC2 for ten hours a day (or rather, I would have no issue with it if I weren't so prone to eyestrain after around three to four hours of straight playing), but there's no way I can get even half as good as the Korean pros if the only things I have going for me are my keyboard, mouse, and these forums. (And maybe my Asian blood. Lol.) But that's kind of just how it'll go, until we begin setting up actual team houses with actual practice regiments around here. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On May 23 2011 16:26 Sandro wrote: Agreed, white people are too lazy/decadent and the asians put in all the hard work. Oh please, just stop the racist garbage. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
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ct2299
380 Posts
On May 23 2011 16:37 babylon wrote: Well, it's not simply because the Koreans put in more "work"; it's that they have a better environment to work in, what with the team houses and just that general atmosphere that encourages hard work. I mean, I personally have no issues sitting down and playing SC2 for ten hours a day (or rather, I would have no issue with it if I weren't so prone to eyestrain after around three to four hours of straight playing), but there's no way I can get even half as good as the Korean pros if the only things I have going for me are my keyboard, mouse, and these forums. (And maybe my Asian blood. Lol.) But that's kind of just how it'll go, until we begin setting up actual team houses with actual practice regiments around here. I'm a believer that motivation should come from WITHIN. I find it really pathetic that people still try and use the "Koreans have a better environment" argument. We've all seen their team houses, we've all seen them crammed 4-6 people per room living in bunk beds. They gave up a lot for this "better environment" work environment. TLO's pro house could easily fit a lot more people too if they wanted to, but they DONT WANT TO. Foreign players haven't been able to set up team houses yet partially because a) they don't want to leave home and b) if they could/or did want to leave home, they don't want to live in such conditions like Korean team houses. So what happens when you have people being picky about living arrangements? You have a much higher barrier to entry to set up a team house because you need to find a MUCH larger place for everyone to have their own room etc etc., leading to much higher overhead costs per individual. The Koreans aren't only putting in "more hours" a day, but basically giving up personal space, and a comfortable living arrangement to be cramped with other people. It looks "fun" but after a while, I guarantee sleeping in bunk beds and sharing 2 bathrooms amongst 10 people isn't so fun. Maybe this is what it takes, maybe it takes living all together in one apartment/house, working together all day, but that takes sacrifices too. If people aren't willing to make that sacrifice then they shouldn't complain and say "Koreans have a better environment." | ||
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