On May 21 2011 07:14 MrCon wrote: What everyone seems to overlook is that the new code A schedule is perfect for foreigners. Ro32 and ro16 happen in one day, ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=224585 ) then ro8 next week. What this means is foreigners can land in korea on saturday or sunday, play on monday, then know the very same day if they are qualified for up and down or not. If they are qualified they can stay one more week, having to play NASL in Korea just once (and even better, NASL could exceptionally reschedule for foreigners winning their code A games). At least they don't miss anything, they have a paid trip to play 2 bo3, and can go back if it turns out badly. If they qualify for up and down, I'm sure sponsors will allow them to go back in US or Europe if an IEM, MLG or whatever conflict. Even if not, the new schedule is perfect for foreigners.
LOL ive been saying this since they announced the new format, everyone will ignore your post and go on pretending like korea is the worst idea for foreigners with their "westerner pride" banners on.
I see that in the replies (rather non replies) after our posts :/ It seems people WANT to make a problem of this, bringing up arguments that don't make sense when you look at the actual schedule.
=( most of these problems have become a non issue after the schedule change, The OP's Post is pretty much irrelevant now. Yet look at all the people who have posted since the schedule change going "YES I TOTALLY AGREE" or even after our posts lol. Xeris's post was pretty uninformed as well he didnt know that there was a direct seed into code s for the MLG winner, the first announcement stated that after MLG columbus the first place for MLG gets a direct seed into code s. Most people think its some new announcement that came with the GSL format changes. Also Xeris is under the impression that it isnt an all expenses paid trip. WICH IT IS! He also seems to refuse to update his post even though i have seen a few people including myself correct him and ask for the update. Anything to prove a point i guess even if the information is incorrect.
Hey guys im going to say it one last time, THE round of 32 and round of 16 happen over the course of 1 day! If you get a seed into code a from MLG you can go there spend 1 day and see if you are going to make it to the up and down matches or not. If you dont maybe you spend a weekend or a week in korea and its not a big loss it was all expenses paid so its not like you lost out on anything. Otherwise you stay for the three weeks and get your shot at code S and worst case scenario you dont get into code s and you spent 3 weeks in korea on an all expenses paid trip. Sounds pretty sweet to me.
Incontrol said the 3 weeks he spent in korea was the best practice he has ever had and it was worth at least 3 months (he may have said 6) practice in north america. He didnt have a team to practice with just idra and probably a few others (kind of like the gom house hmmm). So regardless it sounds like an invaluable experience.
To bad the Code A money is not worth it's weight in shit...1400 bucks for a month long qualifier tourney is just terrible there are too many smaller tournaments that pay just as good if not better than 1400 dollars in a month. IMHO Code A prize pool needs to be at least 10-15k that would make it worth while to attend but until then it is kind of just a waste to even go and perform in it due to scheduling and pay out..great you can get into code S but it takes an entire month and you to be extremely lucky to show up in Korea and be able to secure training partners and acclimate your body to the new time zone( i bet it will take u a couple weeks to get full changed over) just brings to many disadvantages for a Foreigner to join the GSL even with a free spot in Code A. I would feel completely different if they were placed into Code S for the MLG or the prize pool in Code A was worth it.
On May 21 2011 14:00 Nazarid wrote: To bad the Code A money is not worth it's weight in shit...1400 bucks for a month long qualifier tourney is just terrible there are too many smaller tournaments that pay just as good if not better than 1400 dollars in a month. IMHO Code A prize pool needs to be at least 10-15k that would make it worth while to attend but until then it is kind of just a waste to even go and perform in it due to scheduling and pay out..great you can get into code S but it takes an entire month and you to be extremely lucky to show up in Korea and be able to secure training partners and acclimate your body to the new time zone( i bet it will take u a couple weeks to get full changed over) just brings to many disadvantages for a Foreigner to join the GSL even with a free spot in Code A. I would feel completely different if they were placed into Code S for the MLG or the prize pool in Code A was worth it.
dude do you only read what the OP has to say, because hes totally wrong. The winner of MLG DOES get a spot in Code S. Man its amazing how many people just trust what this one guy says and dont read the official announcments.
Also like i said in the post above yours code a round of 32 and round of 16 happen over the course of 1 week, obviously your not gonna just get to korea and immediately have to play you will have probably 5-6 days to adjust if you want them (this applies to people that placed in places 2-5 at MLG). Honestly 3 days is enough though. Either way 1 week for code a round of 32 and round of 16 means that if you dont make it through your only there for a week and a half MAX and its all expenses paid. Wow people really dont read posts unless they are directed exactly at them ive stated the same thing probably 10 times throughout this thread.
So i dont really see what the problem is here guys, what is wrong with an all expenses paid trip to korea, where you will know if your going to the up and down matches within 5 days after you get there and then you can leave if you didnt so youve commited maybe 3-7 days in korea all expenses paid so no loss to you, and you get a chance to see how you fare against the best players in the world. Then if you dont make it to the up and down matches (round of 8) you can leave and go back to western tournaments, if you do make it to the round of 8 yoou stay for an extra week and a half or so and try your luck to make it into Code s. Hey huk did it , so if your code S material i dont really see the problem. Worst case scenario you spent 2-3 weeks in korea all expenses paid and made 500-1400 bucks (depending on where you placed after the round of 8) didnt spend a dime and got alot of valuable experience in korea and a chance to visit a foreign and very interesting country
Could someone point out anything negative about that aside fromm the fact that if you make it to the round of 8 or further but lose in the up and down matches you MIGHT have missed out on 2-3 weeks of online tournaments (you will still beable to play your NASL games should it be on at the time but if your going to the up and down matches its defenetly worth dealing with the latency) I doubt you would make that much more than 500-1400 bucks(the amount you would make from making it from anywhere fromm the round of 8 to the finals) in smaller online tournaments anyways (and you could still participate in those if you really wanted too). Look at the top dog in the tournament round up when bigger tournamets arent taking place, usually they only make around 1000-2000.
I just dont see it guys, going to Korea seems like a huge opportunity especially with the format changes for code a, you dont need to spend nearly as much time there for no reason, you either make it to the up and down matches after 1 week of playing or you dont and you can go home with no loss in anyway to you because its all expenses paid.
Xeris just made it sound way worse then it actually was by leaving out details (obviously not on purpose) or suggesting stuff that they are already doing (winner of mlg makes it into code s after columbus) i cant beleive they put this post on spotlight to be honest, it paints GSL in an uneccesary negative light especially after all the changes made and the exchange program.
Its funny how a post wasnt made about this until AFTER MLG makes it way easier for foreigners to participate with the exchange, so it gets way easier to participate in GSL and people start complaining like nobody's bussiness instead of looking at it as a good thing, way to go guys.
Edit: Edited to reflect the fact that code a round of 32 and 16 happen over a week not a day, i derped it and listened to somebody else in this thread when you look at the schedule it looks like 1 day but its actually a week. Regardless 1 week(its actually only 4-5 days max but you will probably get there a few days early to adjust to the time) to know weather you made it to the up and down matches is not a big deal.
On May 21 2011 13:41 gulati wrote: Absolutely beautiful post. I couldn't agree more.
Although I can't pinpoint exactly what I want, I really would like to see that "Korea vs. the World" GSL that happened a few months ago. That was honestly amazing. I like the idea of foreigners vs koreans, and not necessarily in the same brackets, similar to how Code S is right now.
I actually dislike the idea of Korea vs. World. I think it promotes the "Us vs Korea" sentiment that is so prevalent on TL and I don't like coming on here and seeing 99%+ of the posters rooting for one team.
I personally would prefer a format where they still invite 8 foreigners and mix them up with the Korean representatives to form two teams. Each team would have 4 Koreans + 4 foreigners and it'd be a treat to see them work and celebrate together.
On May 21 2011 13:41 gulati wrote: Absolutely beautiful post. I couldn't agree more.
Although I can't pinpoint exactly what I want, I really would like to see that "Korea vs. the World" GSL that happened a few months ago. That was honestly amazing. I like the idea of foreigners vs koreans, and not necessarily in the same brackets, similar to how Code S is right now.
I actually dislike the idea of Korea vs. World. I think it promotes the "Us vs Korea" sentiment that is so prevalent on TL and I don't like coming on here and seeing 99%+ of the posters rooting for one team.
I personally would prefer a format where they still invite 8 foreigners and mix them up with the Korean representatives to form two teams. Each team would have 4 Koreans + 4 foreigners and it'd be a treat to see them work and celebrate together.
On May 21 2011 14:00 Nazarid wrote: To bad the Code A money is not worth it's weight in shit...1400 bucks for a month long qualifier tourney is just terrible there are too many smaller tournaments that pay just as good if not better than 1400 dollars in a month. IMHO Code A prize pool needs to be at least 10-15k that would make it worth while to attend but until then it is kind of just a waste to even go and perform in it due to scheduling and pay out..great you can get into code S but it takes an entire month and you to be extremely lucky to show up in Korea and be able to secure training partners and acclimate your body to the new time zone( i bet it will take u a couple weeks to get full changed over) just brings to many disadvantages for a Foreigner to join the GSL even with a free spot in Code A. I would feel completely different if they were placed into Code S for the MLG or the prize pool in Code A was worth it.
dude do you only read what the OP has to say, because hes totally wrong. The winner of MLG DOES get a spot in Code S. Man its amazing how many people just trust what this one guy says and dont read the official announcments.
Also like i said in the post above yours code a round of 32 and round of 16 happen over the course of 1 week, obviously your not gonna just get to korea and immediately have to play you will have probably 5-6 days to adjust if you want them (this applies to people that placed in places 2-5 at MLG). Honestly 3 days is enough though. Either way 1 week for code a round of 32 and round of 16 means that if you dont make it through your only there for a week and a half MAX and its all expenses paid. Wow people really dont read posts unless they are directed exactly at them ive stated the same thing probably 10 times throughout this thread.
So i dont really see what the problem is here guys, what is wrong with an all expenses paid trip to korea, where you will know if your going to the up and down matches within 5 days after you get there and then you can leave if you didnt so youve commited maybe 3-7 days in korea all expenses paid so no loss to you, and you get a chance to see how you fare against the best players in the world. Then if you dont make it to the up and down matches (round of 8) you can leave and go back to western tournaments, if you do make it to the round of 8 yoou stay for an extra week and a half or so and try your luck to make it into Code s. Hey huk did it , so if your code S material i dont really see the problem. Worst case scenario you spent 2-3 weeks in korea all expenses paid and made 500-1400 bucks (depending on where you placed after the round of 8) didnt spend a dime and got alot of valuable experience in korea and a chance to visit a foreign and very interesting country
Could someone point out anything negative about that aside fromm the fact that if you make it to the round of 8 or further but lose in the up and down matches you MIGHT have missed out on 2-3 weeks of online tournaments (you will still beable to play your NASL games should it be on at the time but if your going to the up and down matches its defenetly worth dealing with the latency) I doubt you would make that much more than 500-1400 bucks(the amount you would make from making it from anywhere fromm the round of 8 to the finals) in smaller online tournaments anyways (and you could still participate in those if you really wanted too). Look at the top dog in the tournament round up when bigger tournamets arent taking place, usually they only make around 1000-2000.
I just dont see it guys, going to Korea seems like a huge opportunity especially with the format changes for code a, you dont need to spend nearly as much time there for no reason, you either make it to the up and down matches after 1 week of playing or you dont and you can go home with no loss in anyway to you because its all expenses paid.
Xeris just made it sound way worse then it actually was by leaving out details (obviously not on purpose) or suggesting stuff that they are already doing (winner of mlg makes it into code s after columbus) i cant beleive they put this post on spotlight to be honest, it paints GSL in an uneccesary negative light especially after all the changes made and the exchange program.
Its funny how a post wasnt made about this until AFTER MLG makes it way easier for foreigners to participate with the exchange, so it gets way easier to participate in GSL and people start complaining like nobody's bussiness instead of looking at it as a good thing, way to go guys.
Edit: Edited to reflect the fact that code a round of 32 and 16 happen over a week not a day, i derped it and listened to somebody else in this thread when you look at the schedule it looks like 1 day but its actually a week. Regardless 1 week(its actually only 4-5 days max but you will probably get there a few days early to adjust to the time) to know weather you made it to the up and down matches is not a big deal.
Agree completely with what you have said here. One thing to note though is that this was posted before the new format changes for GSL and I also think that code A round 32 and 16 is played over the first 5 days of the new format ( at the early timeslot) not one day ( would be hard to braodcast 24 bo3 in a day.) This doesn't really affect your argument though as you will still know by the end of the first week whether or not you make it too up and downs.
Would be cool to see if Xeris is still reading the thread and would give his thoughts on the new gom format/schedule.
Request for a mod edit on the OP since its in the spotlight and leaving alot of people with bad information.
Some of that information is due to the fact that the format changes were announced after this post was made.
First the fact that the winner of MLG gets a spot in code S , xeris suggests this as a solution in his OP when in fact it has been known for over a week that this is already happening.
Second the fact that code a round of 32 and round of 16 happen over the course of a week so you will know weather you are going to be in the up and down matches in at the most 4-5 days (code a isnt on for the entire week round of 32 and 16 will finish up within 5 days max if your in the last group)
It would be nice since this post is in the spotlight threads section if it reflected truthful information ^^ so people didnt get the wrong idea and continued complaining and getting worked up about things that simply arent true.
Either a mod edit or maybe xeris will edit it himself Plz
On May 21 2011 14:00 Nazarid wrote: To bad the Code A money is not worth it's weight in shit...1400 bucks for a month long qualifier tourney is just terrible there are too many smaller tournaments that pay just as good if not better than 1400 dollars in a month. IMHO Code A prize pool needs to be at least 10-15k that would make it worth while to attend but until then it is kind of just a waste to even go and perform in it due to scheduling and pay out..great you can get into code S but it takes an entire month and you to be extremely lucky to show up in Korea and be able to secure training partners and acclimate your body to the new time zone( i bet it will take u a couple weeks to get full changed over) just brings to many disadvantages for a Foreigner to join the GSL even with a free spot in Code A. I would feel completely different if they were placed into Code S for the MLG or the prize pool in Code A was worth it.
dude do you only read what the OP has to say, because hes totally wrong. The winner of MLG DOES get a spot in Code S. Man its amazing how many people just trust what this one guy says and dont read the official announcments.
Also like i said in the post above yours code a round of 32 and round of 16 happen over the course of 1 day, obviously your not gonna just get to korea and immediately have to play you will have probably 5-6 days to adjust if you want them (this applies to people that placed in places 2-5 at MLG). Honestly 3 days is enough though. Either way 1 day for code a round of 32 and round of 16 means that if you dont make it through your only there for a week MAX and its all expenses paid. Wow people really dont read posts unless they are directed exactly at them ive stated the same thing probably 10 times throughout this thread.
So i dont really see what the problem is here guys, what is wrong with an all expenses paid trip to korea, where you will know if your going to the up and down matches within a few days after you get there and then you can leave if you didnt so youve commited maybe 3-5 days in korea all expenses paid so no loss to you, and you get a chance to see how you fare against the best players in the world. Then if you dont make it to the up and down matches (round of 8) you can leave and go back to western tournaments, if you do make it to the round of 8 yoou stay for an extra week and a half or so and try your luck to make it into Code s. Hey huk did it , so if your code S material i dont really see the problem. Worst case scenario you spent 2-3 weeks in korea all expenses paid and made 500-1400 bucks (depending on where you placed after the round of 8) didnt spend a dime and got alot of valuable experience in korea and a chance to visit a foreign and very interesting country
Could someone point out anything negative about that aside fromm the fact that if you make it to the round of 8 or further but lose in the up and down matches you MIGHT have missed out on 2-3 weeks of online tournaments (you will still beable to play your NASL games should it be on at the time but if your going to the up and down matches its defenetly worth dealing with the latency) I doubt youd make you would make that much more than 500-1400 bucks(the amount you would make from making it from anywhere fromm the round of 8 to the finals) in smaller online tournaments anyways (and you could still participate in those if you really wanted too). Look at the top dog in the tournament round up when bigger tournamets arent taking place, usually they only make around 1000-2000.
I just dont see it guys, going to Korea seems like a huge opportunity especially with the format changes for code a, you dont need to spend nearly as much time there for no reason, you either make it to the up and down matches after 1 day of playing or you dont and you can go home with no loss in anyway to you because its all expenses paid.
Xeris just made it sound way worse then it actually was by leaving out details (obviously not on purpose) or suggesting stuff that they are already doing (winner of mlg makes it into code s after columbus) i cant beleive they put this post on spotlight to be honest, it paints GSL in an uneccesary negative light especially after all the changes made and the exchange program.
Its funny how a post wasnt made about this until AFTER MLG makes it way easier for foreigners to participate with the exchange, so it gets way easier to participate in GSL and people start complaining like nobody's bussiness instead of looking at it as a good thing, way to go guys.
Agree completely with what you have said here. One thing to note though is that this was posted before the new format changes for GSL and I also think that code A round 32 and 16 is played over the first 5 days of the new format ( at the early timeslot) not one day ( would be hard to braodcast 24 bo3 in a day.) This doesn't really affect your argument though as you will still know by the end of the first week whether or not you make it too up and downs.
Would be cool to see if Xeris is still reading the thread and would give his thoughts on the new gom format/schedule.
Yea i edited my post, 1 day didnt seem right (someone else stated it earlier in the post) so i checked again, 5 days max if your in the last group to see if your in the up and down matches still is very reasonable and doesnt change my argument.
edit: since i had already edited would it be possible for you to edit out the quote or replace it with the edited version, i would hate to be spreading false information myself. Which is the reason why i rechecked after i made that post right away 1 day just didnt seem to make sense, although it kind of does look like one day on the schedule if you dont read the description of the schedule as well lol
On May 20 2011 19:26 Liquid`HuK wrote: gom already got ton of backlash for inviting foreigners to code a i think a direct invite to code s would be a great insult to korean players, especially since most players would do horribly in code s.
Tell me how there was backlash. Because you were one of the players that were invited into code a, now your in code s. Dont tell me that you deserved it and the players who win a tourny and get invited dont. because you didnt do anything and get invited. and that decision was amazing by gom to let you in the gsl. if there was backlash thats like saying you being in code A/S was a mistake. Give the idea a chance. its for the sport in general. Ps: ur My fav protoss
On May 21 2011 14:00 Nazarid wrote: To bad the Code A money is not worth it's weight in shit...1400 bucks for a month long qualifier tourney is just terrible there are too many smaller tournaments that pay just as good if not better than 1400 dollars in a month. IMHO Code A prize pool needs to be at least 10-15k that would make it worth while to attend but until then it is kind of just a waste to even go and perform in it due to scheduling and pay out..great you can get into code S but it takes an entire month and you to be extremely lucky to show up in Korea and be able to secure training partners and acclimate your body to the new time zone( i bet it will take u a couple weeks to get full changed over) just brings to many disadvantages for a Foreigner to join the GSL even with a free spot in Code A. I would feel completely different if they were placed into Code S for the MLG or the prize pool in Code A was worth it.
dude do you only read what the OP has to say, because hes totally wrong. The winner of MLG DOES get a spot in Code S. Man its amazing how many people just trust what this one guy says and dont read the official announcments.
Also like i said in the post above yours code a round of 32 and round of 16 happen over the course of 1 day, obviously your not gonna just get to korea and immediately have to play you will have probably 5-6 days to adjust if you want them (this applies to people that placed in places 2-5 at MLG). Honestly 3 days is enough though. Either way 1 day for code a round of 32 and round of 16 means that if you dont make it through your only there for a week MAX and its all expenses paid. Wow people really dont read posts unless they are directed exactly at them ive stated the same thing probably 10 times throughout this thread.
So i dont really see what the problem is here guys, what is wrong with an all expenses paid trip to korea, where you will know if your going to the up and down matches within a few days after you get there and then you can leave if you didnt so youve commited maybe 3-5 days in korea all expenses paid so no loss to you, and you get a chance to see how you fare against the best players in the world. Then if you dont make it to the up and down matches (round of 8) you can leave and go back to western tournaments, if you do make it to the round of 8 yoou stay for an extra week and a half or so and try your luck to make it into Code s. Hey huk did it , so if your code S material i dont really see the problem. Worst case scenario you spent 2-3 weeks in korea all expenses paid and made 500-1400 bucks (depending on where you placed after the round of 8) didnt spend a dime and got alot of valuable experience in korea and a chance to visit a foreign and very interesting country
Could someone point out anything negative about that aside fromm the fact that if you make it to the round of 8 or further but lose in the up and down matches you MIGHT have missed out on 2-3 weeks of online tournaments (you will still beable to play your NASL games should it be on at the time but if your going to the up and down matches its defenetly worth dealing with the latency) I doubt youd make you would make that much more than 500-1400 bucks(the amount you would make from making it from anywhere fromm the round of 8 to the finals) in smaller online tournaments anyways (and you could still participate in those if you really wanted too). Look at the top dog in the tournament round up when bigger tournamets arent taking place, usually they only make around 1000-2000.
I just dont see it guys, going to Korea seems like a huge opportunity especially with the format changes for code a, you dont need to spend nearly as much time there for no reason, you either make it to the up and down matches after 1 day of playing or you dont and you can go home with no loss in anyway to you because its all expenses paid.
Xeris just made it sound way worse then it actually was by leaving out details (obviously not on purpose) or suggesting stuff that they are already doing (winner of mlg makes it into code s after columbus) i cant beleive they put this post on spotlight to be honest, it paints GSL in an uneccesary negative light especially after all the changes made and the exchange program.
Its funny how a post wasnt made about this until AFTER MLG makes it way easier for foreigners to participate with the exchange, so it gets way easier to participate in GSL and people start complaining like nobody's bussiness instead of looking at it as a good thing, way to go guys.
Agree completely with what you have said here. One thing to note though is that this was posted before the new format changes for GSL and I also think that code A round 32 and 16 is played over the first 5 days of the new format ( at the early timeslot) not one day ( would be hard to braodcast 24 bo3 in a day.) This doesn't really affect your argument though as you will still know by the end of the first week whether or not you make it too up and downs.
Would be cool to see if Xeris is still reading the thread and would give his thoughts on the new gom format/schedule.
Yea i edited my post, 1 day didnt seem right (someone else stated it earlier in the post) so i checked again, 5 days max if your in the last group to see if your in the up and down matches still is very reasonable and doesnt change my argument.
edit: since i had already edited would it be possible for you to edit out the quote or replace it with the edited version, i would hate to be spreading false information myself. Which is the reason why i rechecked after i made that post right away 1 day just didnt seem to make sense, although it kind of does look like one day on the schedule if you dont read the description of the schedule as well lol
Foreigners are lazy. They do not deserve free invites. How is it not worth it to go? ALL EXPENSE PAID Practice on the ladder, with pros Get to play against the best in GSL
Whats not good about it? Scared youll lose? So what? Its free! Dont give me that bullshit excuse that "I could make more staying in NA/EU, I wont get to be around my friends and family blah blah" That attitude is exactly why foreigners sucked in brood war and were unable to compete on the same level as koreans (Dont even bring up Ret/Idra, sure they were on proteams by were still terrible)
Foreigners just want to have their cake and eat it too without having to do anything.
If SC2 ever takes off and gets to BW pro level and Koreans sponsors are willing to fly out their players to compete in international tourneys, the foreigner scene will die just like it did in BW because when it comes down to practice KR > *
Also LOL @ making Code A an online tournament, you are aware GOM broadcasts it on TV right? Oh hey let me just tune in to my match and "stream cheat" or turn on ma map hacks. And what about pauses etc, think about these things first.
On May 21 2011 19:27 WesternProblem wrote: Foreigners are lazy. They do not deserve free invites. How is it not worth it to go? ALL EXPENSE PAID Practice on the ladder, with pros Get to play against the best in GSL
Whats not good about it? Scared youll lose? So what? Its free! Dont give me that bullshit excuse that "I could make more staying in NA/EU, I wont get to be around my friends and family blah blah" That attitude is exactly why foreigners sucked in brood war and were unable to compete on the same level as koreans (Dont even bring up Ret/Idra, sure they were on proteams by were still terrible)
Foreigners just want to have their cake and eat it too without having to do anything.
If SC2 ever takes off and gets to BW pro level and Koreans sponsors are willing to fly out their players to compete in international tourneys, the foreigner scene will die just like it did in BW because when it comes down to practice KR > *
Also LOL @ making Code A an online tournament, you are aware GOM broadcasts it on TV right? Oh hey let me just tune in to my match and "stream cheat" or turn on ma map hacks. And what about pauses etc, think about these things first.
Ummm... the Korean experience is not suppose to be an easy one. From what you've written, it seems like you want foreigners a free ride or something? Like gom should just be handing out air fares, code A/S slots,, just for the fun of it?
Great OP, I don't believe foreigners are behind koreans at all in skill level by the way, so I don't see a point in bridging the "skill gap". I completely agree with Code A being an online tournament, giving many people more opportunities. Fantastic OP and love the ideas you give out. Also I'm very excited for MLG, I just hope a korean doesn't win...Also I believe the only reason koreans have an edge is due to the practice they get.
On May 21 2011 22:29 SweetAs wrote: Ummm... the Korean experience is not suppose to be an easy one. From what you've written, it seems like you want foreigners a free ride or something? Like gom should just be handing out air fares, code A/S slots,, just for the fun of it?
Isn't that exactly what is happening with the 4 Koreans who now get an almost guaranteed permanent spot in the MLG Championship Bracket?
good read, and i think i agree most of your words. go to korea for GSL is a huge task for a team/player, even for China, such a country so close to Korea. Chinese players wanna go to Korea for GSL but they have to consider the living and practise there, just as you mentioned above.
could they not work it so that they have the code a tournaments twice as often, and have the up/down matches take place between the top four in each set of two tournaments? you may need to tweak a few things to get the numbers right, but it'd address the problems of there being not much monetary incentive for foreigners to go over for it (would probably still need to increase prize money though) and you can also get a much quicker turnover between code a/uncoded players
On May 21 2011 19:27 WesternProblem wrote: Foreigners are lazy. They do not deserve free invites. How is it not worth it to go? ALL EXPENSE PAID Practice on the ladder, with pros Get to play against the best in GSL
Whats not good about it? Scared youll lose? So what? Its free! Dont give me that bullshit excuse that "I could make more staying in NA/EU, I wont get to be around my friends and family blah blah" That attitude is exactly why foreigners sucked in brood war and were unable to compete on the same level as koreans (Dont even bring up Ret/Idra, sure they were on proteams by were still terrible)
Foreigners just want to have their cake and eat it too without having to do anything.
If SC2 ever takes off and gets to BW pro level and Koreans sponsors are willing to fly out their players to compete in international tourneys, the foreigner scene will die just like it did in BW because when it comes down to practice KR > *
Also LOL @ making Code A an online tournament, you are aware GOM broadcasts it on TV right? Oh hey let me just tune in to my match and "stream cheat" or turn on ma map hacks. And what about pauses etc, think about these things first.
Anyway, that would be nice if Xeris could edit his OP. Foreigners to code S was announced before the OP (see the 5th post of this thread), and now with the new code A schedule OP is not valid anymore (or it has to address why it's not enough)
EPT
