EPTAnyway there's no reason that GSL has to remain a "global" starleague. One other solution is to have mainly local tournaments with a yearly or twice-a-year "champion's league" that invited major tournament winners to a weekend LAN.
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Anyway there's no reason that GSL has to remain a "global" starleague. One other solution is to have mainly local tournaments with a yearly or twice-a-year "champion's league" that invited major tournament winners to a weekend LAN. | ||
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zzuper
Sweden5 Posts
the solution is to bring the most popular leagues out of korea and asia, and put them in sweden. -__- User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
On May 21 2011 05:20 zzuper wrote: the problem is koreans dont really want foreigners in their leauges. they only did this after pressure from blizzard. like all nations in asia, korea is highly nationalistic bordering on nazi, thats the problem. the solution is to bring the most popular leagues out of korea and asia, and put them in sweden. -__- nazi? wtf are you saying? | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On May 21 2011 05:20 zzuper wrote: the problem is koreans dont really want foreigners in their leauges. they only did this after pressure from blizzard. like all nations in asia, korea is highly nationalistic bordering on nazi, thats the problem. the solution is to bring the most popular leagues out of korea and asia, and put them in sweden. -__- Care to provide some sources for this? Because I've seen a lot of Korean Netizen setimet about how they would like the GSL to actually be more global, and not the KSL in practice. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On May 21 2011 05:20 zzuper wrote: the problem is koreans dont really want foreigners in their leauges. they only did this after pressure from blizzard. like all nations in asia, korea is highly nationalistic bordering on nazi, thats the problem. the solution is to bring the most popular leagues out of korea and asia, and put them in sweden. -__- *looks at nation of poster* Yeah... hey, did you know that quite a few of the korean progamers were quite active with the foreign community during Broodwar? Jaedong did interviews for foreigners, Sea did a TL attack, etc? | ||
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Zombie_Velociraptor
274 Posts
On May 21 2011 03:38 Eppa! wrote: You put up 3 assumptions. 1. Foreigners are worse than Koreans, (Jinro got top 4, Idra stayed in code S every season(with the ladder map pool). Hell MC lost to Thorzain in a BO5 in straight up games.) Jinro wasn't even a top player before Korea. If they don't want S-class foreigners in code S then they can keep on doing what they are doing. 2. Sponsors such as Intel and Coca Cola are American based companies, LG while Korean sell merchandise abroad. I am not sure why they do not want foreigners in GSL to strengthen their brand. 3. The players aren't really getting 1 way deals, Koreans are invited into TSL, injected into MLG etc. Also SC2 is not as big as you think in Korea, they air on some obscure cable channel and it is not even close to as popular as BW. Let me put it another way. Foreigners aren't 'worse' than Koreans per se, but not even the absolute cream of the crop foreign players are BETTER than what Korean teams have to offer. You're right about Korean players not doing too brilliantly in TSL - but are you seriously going to claim that Naniwa is straight up better than MC or Thorzain is a match for players like MVP or MMA? Come on. The foreign players don't have anything unique or awesome to offer to GSL; sure, with a bit of luck, someone like Idra or Thorzain or whatever could probably even get a GSL trophy at some point - but they wouldn't be some kind of a legendary bonjwa or something, not unless they put in a LOT of effort into it. And now you're saying they should get a free pass to the most prestigious league in Korea? I mean, MVP doesn't get a free pass and he's a two time GSL champion - why should a random Swede or American be getting special treatment? Fact is, if foreign teams are so interested in GSL, they should make an investment into it - and if not, there's plenty of other tournaments they can play in. I absolutely agree that stuff like Super Tournament or World Champions tournament is very exciting and could use more players from all over the world in it - but demanding GOM to cover the foreigner's expenses AND give them invites into Code S right away as well is downright ridiculous. If anything, it's offensive to Korean players, and I can't see that ever being a popular idea on the Korean progaming scene. As for Koreans being invited into TSL or MLG - how is that even remotely similar? GSL is a multi-season league where qualification is basically half the victory, it takes a LOT of preparation to even have a shot of getting into Code S, whereas TSL or MLG qualifiers aren't nearly as demanding. The difference is, foreign tournaments NEED Koreans to have more 'star' matches, unlike GSL. And again, bottomline, as a esports enthusiast, how can you say with a straight face that giving people a free pass into the most exclusive league is fair? How would MVP's fans feel if he lost in U/D matches while in the meantime KiWiKaKi or something got a free ride into Code S? | ||
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IMLyte
Canada714 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Ro32 and ro16 happen in one day, ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=224585 ) then ro8 next week. What this means is foreigners can land in korea on saturday or sunday, play on monday, then know the very same day if they are qualified for up and down or not. If they are qualified they can stay one more week, having to play NASL in Korea just once (and even better, NASL could exceptionally reschedule for foreigners winning their code A games). At least they don't miss anything, they have a paid trip to play 2 bo3, and can go back if it turns out badly. If they qualify for up and down, I'm sure sponsors will allow them to go back in US or Europe if an IEM, MLG or whatever conflict. Even if not, the new schedule is perfect for foreigners. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On May 21 2011 05:20 zzuper wrote: the problem is koreans dont really want foreigners in their leauges. they only did this after pressure from blizzard. like all nations in asia, korea is highly nationalistic bordering on nazi, thats the problem. the solution is to bring the most popular leagues out of korea and asia, and put them in sweden. -__- Making idiotic assumptions about other countries and calling them "nazi", sounds like you're even more of a bigot than those Koreans you look down upon. | ||
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Carson
Canada820 Posts
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ilmman
364 Posts
On May 21 2011 01:16 Nerdslayer wrote: You kidding me right? Have you any idea how much sponsors pay the best players in EU. Take White-ra for example he got a solo sponsorship from Duckload. There is shitloads of money in the western scene atm and thats wihtout price winnings So you are saying white ra is a millionaire? | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On May 21 2011 07:14 MrCon wrote: What everyone seems to overlook is that the new code A schedule is perfect for foreigners. Ro32 and ro16 happen in one day, ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=224585 ) then ro8 next week. What this means is foreigners can land in korea on saturday or sunday, play on monday, then know the very same day if they are qualified for up and down or not. If they are qualified they can stay one more week, having to play NASL in Korea just once (and even better, NASL could exceptionally reschedule for foreigners winning their code A games). At least they don't miss anything, they have a paid trip to play 2 bo3, and can go back if it turns out badly. If they qualify for up and down, I'm sure sponsors will allow them to go back in US or Europe if an IEM, MLG or whatever conflict. Even if not, the new schedule is perfect for foreigners. LOL ive been saying this since they announced the new format, everyone will ignore your post and go on pretending like korea is the worst idea for foreigners with their "westerner pride" banners on. | ||
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PrAeToR.FeNiX
Canada361 Posts
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Footler
United States560 Posts
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Thrill
2599 Posts
Can't we just agree that regardless of location, one month qualifiers don't work? There's no team that can send its players anywhere on those prospects. A courage style tournament is a great idea - props to SotG for that one, would indeed be an excellent format with the top 6 advancing to up/down or whatever. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On May 21 2011 08:17 cheesemaster wrote: LOL ive been saying this since they announced the new format, everyone will ignore your post and go on pretending like korea is the worst idea for foreigners with their "westerner pride" banners on. I see that in the replies (rather non replies) after our posts :/ It seems people WANT to make a problem of this, bringing up arguments that don't make sense when you look at the actual schedule. | ||
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Allied
United States129 Posts
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rexob
Sweden202 Posts
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
Although I can't pinpoint exactly what I want, I really would like to see that "Korea vs. the World" GSL that happened a few months ago. That was honestly amazing. I like the idea of foreigners vs koreans, and not necessarily in the same brackets, similar to how Code S is right now. | ||
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