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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:54 IdrA wrote: what makes more sense, the most successful team owner in the business describing explicitly how it hurts the way his team operates or us having some weird vendetta against slasher? Definitely the latter. That guy was fucking pissed. It had to be personal. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:55 jalstar wrote: The latter, especially with how ITG/EG has operated in the past (see Milkis) EG really good at gangbanging anyone they hate. We're not seriously going to defend Milkis are we? He dug his own grave and even popped up recently with the same bloody attitude. | ||
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The Devastator
34 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:49 Whitewing wrote: It just makes it bad journalism that we shouldn't want. But it is not. Bad journalism is when facts are left out/misreported (often to suite a view point), twitting the news is lazy at worst. | ||
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SafeWord
United States522 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:55 jalstar wrote: The latter, especially with how ITG/EG has operated in the past (see Milkis) EG really good at gangbanging anyone they hate. No one is hating on Slasher, they all respected what he does. Its the mere fact that he wouldn't even clarify on ANYTHING is idiotic. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:55 jalstar wrote: The latter, especially with how ITG/EG has operated in the past (see Milkis) EG really good at gangbanging anyone they hate. you realize milkis is generally disliked as an obnoxious twat? we discussed the things that he did to get himself labelled as an idiot, which is one of the things that you do as a talk show. thats very different than trying to make up a cause and get someone hated. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:55 Serpico wrote: They also seem to think "esports" news and reporting should work differently than any other sport. There are entire sites dedicated to reporting info with nothing but "sources" behind them (almost no names ever unless the source isn't at risk at all). People trust those reports the more they're right, and the teams having info leaked about them can do nothing but try to plug up the leaks. It's funny people think SC and pro gaming in general should get the kiddie glove treatment in regards to this. It shouldn't... eventually. The problem is that right now, as Total Biscuit was saying, is that only a few organizations can actually survive this happening as often as it does. Most of the organizations aren't big enough to handle it yet. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:59 IdrA wrote: you realize milkis is generally disliked as an obnoxious twat? Yes. Nicely done. | ||
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Zach426
United States60 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
They're so good at what they do. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
lol. to be clear, lol@ you doing the exact thing you just tried to accuse us of doing. fuck you. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On January 16 2013 12:00 Canucklehead wrote: EG came out awful in this debate. They sound like CBS wanting to control the media. There is no point for slasher not to break the news if he has it from his sources. What EG suggests is that reporters should be nothing more than PR mouth pieces for teams and only to announce things after they announce it. That is just frankly laughable and a naive view of the world because that is just not how it works in reality in any industry. Disappointed in EG and it's just sour grapes by them. Slasher is 100% right in the way he breaks news people want to hear. EG just wants him to be a puppet for them. well. TBH, TB said that (too?) | ||
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ZergCacique
United States28 Posts
Blocking communication with a person because they "brake the news" is just silly. why don't you close all the grapevine and try distorted the the information? im sorry this just my random thoughts | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 16 2013 12:00 Canucklehead wrote: EG came out awful in this debate. They sound like CBS wanting to control the media. There is no point for slasher not to break the news if he has it from his sources. What EG suggests is that reporters should be nothing more than PR mouth pieces for teams and only to announce things after they announce it. That is just frankly laughable and a naive view of the world because that is just not how it works in reality in any industry. Disappointed in EG and it's just sour grapes by them. Slasher is 100% right in the way he breaks news people want to hear. EG just wants him to be a puppet for them. If Slasher worked in any other industry, he wouldn't be a writer. He might get hired for contacts and getting the information, but absolutely no sane news organization in a field that gets real attention would let him release the breaking news. People want to talk about real sports...when's the last time a sports journalist wrote a 5 line article to leak a big trade? | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On January 16 2013 12:01 ZergCacique wrote: I feel upset, I din't like how Alex came across when he was talking/treating slasher. But don't be like TB was better then Alex. Alex was emotional involved and spoke from the heart. TB was talking down on slasher making slasher as a fool with a lot of time and doesn't have the passion to make "Real News". Blocking communication with a person because they "brake the news" is just silly. why don't you close all the grapevine and try distorted the the information? im sorry this just my random thoughts well, from my opinion, slasher basically tried to dodge every single question [as well as had a shitty mic that made it even more unbearably annoying to listen to him dodge] ~_~ | ||
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
No, TB said that savvy team owners can use journalists to their advantage by strategically dropping some information and keeping a tight lid on what they don't want leaked. It's very different from "journalists shouldn't do this." Using the media tactically is just smart marketing. | ||
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SafeWord
United States522 Posts
On January 16 2013 12:03 zhurai wrote: well, from my opinion, slasher basically tried to dodge every single question [as well as had a shitty mic that made it even more unbearably annoying to listen to him dodge] ~_~ This!!!!! | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On January 16 2013 12:04 corpuscle wrote: No, TB said that savvy team owners can use journalists to their advantage by strategically dropping some information and keeping a tight lid on what they don't want leaked. It's very different from "journalists shouldn't do this." Using the media tactically is just smart marketing. oh ok. | ||
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:35 Glurkenspurk wrote: Destiny actually made a good point about this on Reddit (I know.. I know) + Show Spoiler + How in the fuck did we ever get to a point to where people think that it's a journalists job to make a company look better? If anything, it's the exact opposite. Journalism exists to keep companies honest, not to work in unison with them for their press releases. At that point it's no longer journalism and you're just a side-arm being paid off by the team to do news statements. I'm curious, are there people here that feel like e-sports journalists should work right alongside teams and companies, yet feel like the political/journalists being in bed with each other in politics is wrong? Don't we always complain about bias media (be it fox news, MSNBC, CNN, etc...)? Those biases HAPPEN when journalists are no longer interested in reporting actual news and are more interested with making companies look better. If you want your company to look better, put a lid on leaks, and work on your own press releases/hype yourself. Don't try to fucking out-source YOUR COMPANY'S HYPE and YOUR ORGANIZATION'S NEWS STATEMENTS to a third party journalist, that's crazy ridiculous. No, that's not a good point at all. Starcraft 2 is not the US Government or Exxon Mobile. Leaking announcements early for no reason isn't keeping anyone honest, it's just killing hype and that's it. Though I agree it's their responsibility to clamp down on leaks and Slasher bears no responsibility to not leak things. However the teams also bear no responsibility to work with him if he does so. | ||
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