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On January 16 2013 11:40 matiK23 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 11:39 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 16 2013 11:33 Glurkenspurk wrote:On January 16 2013 11:31 ronpaul012 wrote:
I really liked the point incontrol was trying to make. Nobody else in the conversation was bringing up the cost/benefit analysis that only slasher can look at. Is he getting such great views on these posts compared to his normal ones, and is that worth pissing off a bunch of teams and players? If it is for slasher, then I think there's very little chance he stops. However if he does look at it and view it as not worth it, he'll probably town it down. Uh, honestly? The reach of posts on Gamespot is probably much larger than things on EG's site, which pretty much is only going to get views by people who are already fans of EG. So yeah.. Leaking info on Gamespot's site is much more useful to "growing esports" than formally announcing stuff on their own. So pissing people off in exchange for getting information to a wider gaming audience is good. It's actually not. I very much doubt these articles on Gamespot bring in any non-eSports traffic at all. Why would anyone click something with those titles if they had no idea about SC2? It's useless for that purpose. Merely being on a site where there are people that don't have SC2 interest does not guarantee interest or conversions, especially not when you title and create your content in such a way that it completely excludes anyone who doesn't know what these terms are. StarCraft II players Heart and Alicia to sign with Axiom Gaming < How many non SC2 guys are clicking that? Yeah I'm gonna go with close to zero. If a site like Gamespot have no chance for someone curious about esports and clicking the link, what chances do teams such as yours or EG, have in bringing new viewers to the scene? At least Gamespot has a chance to bring in viewers, EG and you are just showing content to the present fans.
if you're thinking that player signings are supposed to bring new viewers to the scene in the first place...[/QUOTE]
Then why the fuck are we making a big deal about Slasher leaking player signing news then?
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On January 16 2013 11:34 SafeWord wrote:
My only question to Slasher is; " Why don't you do what you did with Thorzain's signing anymore?"
lol, that was everyone's question.
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On January 16 2013 11:42 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 11:37 The Devastator wrote:On January 16 2013 11:31 zhurai wrote:On January 16 2013 11:29 The Devastator wrote:On January 16 2013 11:23 Whitewing wrote:On January 16 2013 11:22 The Devastator wrote:On January 16 2013 11:18 neurosx wrote:On January 16 2013 11:14 mainerd wrote:
Slasher reports stuff early, what's the big deal, some people seem to want it. The teams don't have to like it, Slasher's trying to make a buck in the market just like the players, teams, their owners and the sponsors are. Why does he have to be publicly pilloried for it? You don't have to like the guy or what he does, but this kind of early reporting is pretty standard, not just in sports news but in technology news, politics, entertainment, etc. Alex should just stop giving info to Slasher if he has a problem with it. It seemed really selfish on Alex's part to turn this into something so dramatic, where he's somehow entitled to the views on a piece of information that's left his control.
Why Alex thinks he deserves this deference from Slasher is beyond me. Is it because of the health and growth of eSports? eSports is not some fantasy market where the rules which govern every other market do not apply. Don't like early reporting, that's your problem, not Slasher's, instead of blowing it up in public how about dealing with it appropriately in private so you aren't likely to have your announcements spoiled? Show some class. The thing is with leaking the news early everyone is losing, like TB said, he/we could get some awesome _actual_ journalism and exclusive interviews but he'd rather just leak the news to get quick page views. I mean good for him that's how he gets most of he pageviews but overall we're all losing with this system. Reporting something is journalism! Acting as a mouthpiece for a company and only doing what they on the other hand is not journalism! Tweeting one liners of upcoming news isn't journalism. Doing interviews, research, and opinion pieces is journalism. Yes it is, just because it is light on the detail does not make it not journalism. Yeah, we'll keep that in mind when anyone wants to go to school and major in journalism tell them that all you need to do is write 160 characters or less, and poof you're gosu at journalism. So it is not journalism now because of the length of what someone writes? Bar the fact it does meet the criteria for being called journalism? It might not be the best journalism, it it still is (journalism). Ted Koppel (In case you don't know who he is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Koppel) disagrees strongly with that view, and I'm inclined to agree with him. I posted a link to it here earlier, but he was the speaker at my commencement last year and gave a wonderful speech about how journalists and the media in general care way more about getting news and facts out to you quickly rather than doing actual investigations and real journalism, and that we should care far more about substance than speed.
They should care more about substance, but that does not make anything else not journalism.
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On January 16 2013 11:25 Nimic wrote:
I don't particularly like Slasher. I don't particularly dislike Slasher either. Sometimes I enjoy his content, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I think he goes overboard with this "breaking the news" thing. But how could I possibly be in a situation to tell him he shouldn't do that? Hell, how could anyone be in that position? I can see why Alex is frustrated, but this is not a Slasher problem, this is an EG problem. If they really didn't want to have the, for example, Jaedong announcement leaked, then they should have made sure that there wasn't a leak.
For all this talk of "sports", that's how real sports work. As far as I know, Slasher hasn't broken any explicit agreement not to leak something. If a reporter gets wind of a big transfer or other announcement, he's going to leak it if it serves him and his employer. Alex is right to want as big a share of the profits as possible to go to EG. As TL want it to go to TL, Axiom want it to go to Axiom, MLG want it to go to MLG and yes, Gamespot and Slasher want it to go to Gamespot and Slasher.
Actually, you're assuming information is always only known by EG and therefore leaked from someone internally every time. That's not how deals or any type of business arrangements work for reasons I'm sure you can see.
Additionally, the "information containment" comparison between Axiom and EG (mentioned elsewhere on this thread) is just simply illogical (i.e. the comparing of Axiom's management of information versus EG's). We operate on entirely different tiers.
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Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 11:44 matiK23 wrote:On January 16 2013 11:40 matiK23 wrote:On January 16 2013 11:39 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 16 2013 11:33 Glurkenspurk wrote:On January 16 2013 11:31 ronpaul012 wrote:
I really liked the point incontrol was trying to make. Nobody else in the conversation was bringing up the cost/benefit analysis that only slasher can look at. Is he getting such great views on these posts compared to his normal ones, and is that worth pissing off a bunch of teams and players? If it is for slasher, then I think there's very little chance he stops. However if he does look at it and view it as not worth it, he'll probably town it down. Uh, honestly? The reach of posts on Gamespot is probably much larger than things on EG's site, which pretty much is only going to get views by people who are already fans of EG. So yeah.. Leaking info on Gamespot's site is much more useful to "growing esports" than formally announcing stuff on their own. So pissing people off in exchange for getting information to a wider gaming audience is good. It's actually not. I very much doubt these articles on Gamespot bring in any non-eSports traffic at all. Why would anyone click something with those titles if they had no idea about SC2? It's useless for that purpose. Merely being on a site where there are people that don't have SC2 interest does not guarantee interest or conversions, especially not when you title and create your content in such a way that it completely excludes anyone who doesn't know what these terms are. StarCraft II players Heart and Alicia to sign with Axiom Gaming < How many non SC2 guys are clicking that? Yeah I'm gonna go with close to zero. If a site like Gamespot have no chance for someone curious about esports and clicking the link, what chances do teams such as yours or EG, have in bringing new viewers to the scene? At least Gamespot has a chance to bring in viewers, EG and you are just showing content to the present fans. if you're thinking that player signings are supposed to bring new viewers to the scene in the first place... Then why the fuck are we making a big deal about Slasher leaking player signing news then?
because it removes hit views (money) from the teams when they announce it, which means less profit from them, which profit is what keeps any sane company from surviving?
and stop messing up the quote tags.
also,
newsflash: just because something "doesn't bring in new viewers to X" doesn't mean it's not important, present viewers (in this case the intended audience) is more important.
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Why is everyone so mad at Slasher? So far all he's done is do his job. If the teams want to be mad at anyone, be pissed at the sources who Slasher got the information from. It would be nice if every team could do their super special announcements and do their own hype, but 90% of the time even the hyped up announcements are figured out before they're announced. I'm a sports fan so sources, rumors, and stuff like the stuff Slasher brings doesn't bother me at all and most of the time prefer it over the nicely put together announcements teams do for their new players.
I can see both sides, and I can understand if Slasher's scoops hurt teams who want to get a lot of exposure with their signings, but it comes down to the team to make sure that it doesn't leak.
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On January 16 2013 11:35 Glurkenspurk wrote:Destiny actually made a good point about this on Reddit (I know.. I know) + Show Spoiler +How in the fuck did we ever get to a point to where people think that it's a journalists job to make a company look better? If anything, it's the exact opposite. Journalism exists to keep companies honest, not to work in unison with them for their press releases. At that point it's no longer journalism and you're just a side-arm being paid off by the team to do news statements.
I'm curious, are there people here that feel like e-sports journalists should work right alongside teams and companies, yet feel like the political/journalists being in bed with each other in politics is wrong? Don't we always complain about bias media (be it fox news, MSNBC, CNN, etc...)? Those biases HAPPEN when journalists are no longer interested in reporting actual news and are more interested with making companies look better.
If you want your company to look better, put a lid on leaks, and work on your own press releases/hype yourself. Don't try to fucking out-source YOUR COMPANY'S HYPE and YOUR ORGANIZATION'S NEWS STATEMENTS to a third party journalist, that's crazy ridiculous.
next week----->destiny on itg. First an apology of how things ended last time, then on to a debate with alex and tb.
Ok, maby it wont happen:p
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On January 16 2013 11:38 FoxerGames wrote:
The Alex vs Slasher argument just reminded me of this dota 2 match i had yesterday. This guy just walked into a tower in the easy lane and dies at the very beginning and then proceeds to blame me for his death. He proceeds to rage at me for the whole game that I made him die. When I'm on the hard lane (this was before 1 minute into the game as well).
Like Dota 2 don't blame other people but yourself.. that is the lesson here.. and as a successful business man (well im not making 7 figures but anyways) learn from your mistakes so they don't happen again.
And what the hell am I hearing pro-gamers talking about buisness and monetizing for. They are paid to play games, their understanding of how it works wouldn't be as great as Alex.. I say, let them concentrate on being entertaining and get paid for it while the people behind the scene do their work..
we can do our jobs better when we understand what it is about us that's valuable
its not like it hurts us as players to know how the business works. we arent spending time going out and cutting these deals, that is obviously left to management, but if we're aware of how the deals work we can do more to help our team.
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On January 16 2013 11:44 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 11:40 matiK23 wrote:On January 16 2013 11:39 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 16 2013 11:33 Glurkenspurk wrote:On January 16 2013 11:31 ronpaul012 wrote:
I really liked the point incontrol was trying to make. Nobody else in the conversation was bringing up the cost/benefit analysis that only slasher can look at. Is he getting such great views on these posts compared to his normal ones, and is that worth pissing off a bunch of teams and players? If it is for slasher, then I think there's very little chance he stops. However if he does look at it and view it as not worth it, he'll probably town it down. Uh, honestly? The reach of posts on Gamespot is probably much larger than things on EG's site, which pretty much is only going to get views by people who are already fans of EG. So yeah.. Leaking info on Gamespot's site is much more useful to "growing esports" than formally announcing stuff on their own. So pissing people off in exchange for getting information to a wider gaming audience is good. It's actually not. I very much doubt these articles on Gamespot bring in any non-eSports traffic at all. Why would anyone click something with those titles if they had no idea about SC2? It's useless for that purpose. Merely being on a site where there are people that don't have SC2 interest does not guarantee interest or conversions, especially not when you title and create your content in such a way that it completely excludes anyone who doesn't know what these terms are. StarCraft II players Heart and Alicia to sign with Axiom Gaming < How many non SC2 guys are clicking that? Yeah I'm gonna go with close to zero. If a site like Gamespot have no chance for someone curious about esports and clicking the link, what chances do teams such as yours or EG, have in bringing new viewers to the scene? At least Gamespot has a chance to bring in viewers, EG and you are just showing content to the present fans. TotalBiscuits youtube channel has an audience that is not at all restricted to the SC2 scene. He posts his announcments on a separate channel, still he aso somewhat markets it to his other audience.
Ok the TB youtube channel is very helpful catering in new audiences, which I'm sure he did recently with his let's play dota2 series. But for EG, whose youtube channel is literally all starcraft2, Alex isn't worried about the growth of SC2. He's just worried about his profits. I say fuck that, slasher (comma placement important here). Keep doing your thing man.
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On January 16 2013 11:46 The Devastator wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 11:42 Whitewing wrote:On January 16 2013 11:37 The Devastator wrote:On January 16 2013 11:31 zhurai wrote:On January 16 2013 11:29 The Devastator wrote:On January 16 2013 11:23 Whitewing wrote:On January 16 2013 11:22 The Devastator wrote:On January 16 2013 11:18 neurosx wrote:On January 16 2013 11:14 mainerd wrote:
Slasher reports stuff early, what's the big deal, some people seem to want it. The teams don't have to like it, Slasher's trying to make a buck in the market just like the players, teams, their owners and the sponsors are. Why does he have to be publicly pilloried for it? You don't have to like the guy or what he does, but this kind of early reporting is pretty standard, not just in sports news but in technology news, politics, entertainment, etc. Alex should just stop giving info to Slasher if he has a problem with it. It seemed really selfish on Alex's part to turn this into something so dramatic, where he's somehow entitled to the views on a piece of information that's left his control.
Why Alex thinks he deserves this deference from Slasher is beyond me. Is it because of the health and growth of eSports? eSports is not some fantasy market where the rules which govern every other market do not apply. Don't like early reporting, that's your problem, not Slasher's, instead of blowing it up in public how about dealing with it appropriately in private so you aren't likely to have your announcements spoiled? Show some class. The thing is with leaking the news early everyone is losing, like TB said, he/we could get some awesome _actual_ journalism and exclusive interviews but he'd rather just leak the news to get quick page views. I mean good for him that's how he gets most of he pageviews but overall we're all losing with this system. Reporting something is journalism! Acting as a mouthpiece for a company and only doing what they on the other hand is not journalism! Tweeting one liners of upcoming news isn't journalism. Doing interviews, research, and opinion pieces is journalism. Yes it is, just because it is light on the detail does not make it not journalism. Yeah, we'll keep that in mind when anyone wants to go to school and major in journalism tell them that all you need to do is write 160 characters or less, and poof you're gosu at journalism. So it is not journalism now because of the length of what someone writes? Bar the fact it does meet the criteria for being called journalism? It might not be the best journalism, it it still is (journalism). Ted Koppel (In case you don't know who he is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Koppel) disagrees strongly with that view, and I'm inclined to agree with him. I posted a link to it here earlier, but he was the speaker at my commencement last year and gave a wonderful speech about how journalists and the media in general care way more about getting news and facts out to you quickly rather than doing actual investigations and real journalism, and that we should care far more about substance than speed. They should care more about substance, but that does not make anything else not journalism.
It just makes it bad journalism that we shouldn't want.
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+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE]On January 16 2013 11:40 Whitewing wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 16 2013 11:34 Odawg27 wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 16 2013 11:23 Whitewing wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 16 2013 11:22 The Devastator wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 16 2013 11:18 neurosx wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 16 2013 11:14 mainerd wrote:
Slasher reports stuff early, what's the big deal, some people seem to want it. The teams don't have to like it, Slasher's trying to make a buck in the market just like the players, teams, their owners and the sponsors are. Why does he have to be publicly pilloried for it? You don't have to like the guy or what he does, but this kind of early reporting is pretty standard, not just in sports news but in technology news, politics, entertainment, etc. Alex should just stop giving info to Slasher if he has a problem with it. It seemed really selfish on Alex's part to turn this into something so dramatic, where he's somehow entitled to the views on a piece of information that's left his control.
Why Alex thinks he deserves this deference from Slasher is beyond me. Is it because of the health and growth of eSports? eSports is not some fantasy market where the rules which govern every other market do not apply. Don't like early reporting, that's your problem, not Slasher's, instead of blowing it up in public how about dealing with it appropriately in private so you aren't likely to have your announcements spoiled? Show some class.[/QUOTE]
The thing is with leaking the news early everyone is losing, like TB said, he/we could get some awesome _actual_ journalism and exclusive interviews but he'd rather just leak the news to get quick page views. I mean good for him that's how he gets most of he pageviews but overall we're all losing with this system.[/QUOTE]
Reporting something is journalism!
Acting as a mouthpiece for a company and only doing what they on the other hand is not journalism![/QUOTE]
Tweeting one liners of upcoming news isn't journalism. Doing interviews, research, and opinion pieces is journalism.
Sorry no, no, no, no and no. Doing "Opinion Pieces" is not journalism, it's touting your opinion. It may be considered News, but Opinion Pieces always have the opinons of the author (hence the name), which journalism isn't supposed to be. Journalism is supposed to be the responsible reporting of facts important to the public so they can form their own opinion on the story. You shouldn't be telling people how to feel about a story in journalism, merely what it is.
Tweeting one liners of upcoming news is journalism, not following it up with in-depth interviews, research, more information is poor journalism. I've posted it before on here, a journalist should not be the pr arm of the company, nor should he/she be a rogue agent that never does anything a company that asks them to do. It's a relationship that needs to be maintained by both sides, sometimes a reporter should break a story, other times they should get the interview. The company shouldn't be the one to decide that. The reporter needs to have good judgment in that decision. Slasher's (in my opinion) wasn't good, but it wasn't bad either. It was eh.
Opinion pieces most definitely are journalism, because they require a significant amount of information to be provided to make your opinion clear, and thus provide facts. While it most certainly is opinion, it has a big place in journalism which is why newspapers and news sites have such extensive opinion sections. It's just that journalism isn't primarily opinion pieces, that's a follow up to an existing story.
Disagree with you there, although it's much more about semantics. Opinion pieces are a part of "News", but to me that doesn't make it journalism. Sure opinion pieces usually feature facts and research but the conclusions are then made by the author. Opinion pieces can also be lazy, where someone just writes what they think about a story or situation because they think. People can make a lot of money doing that, such as a lot of radio talk show hosts (especially political ones).
The reporter shouldn't be the bitch of the company, but he should understand that if he leaks information the company doesn't want leaked, it's only going to hurt the company and his relationship with them. They need to spend more time focusing on doing other things than just throwing out facts with no details as quickly as possible to be first
I agree with part of this here. The reporter does need to understand his relationship with the company is a two way street and so does the company. But it's not as simple as that. If reliable sources say a politician is siphoning money from the government's taxes should a reporter not report the facts he has? It's definitely something that should be followed up with more information of course, but do they always have to hold on until... when exactly? Facts are facts, and details are facts too (if true of course). So throwing out facts (again if true) is journalism, not following it up with details is sloppy journalism.
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On January 16 2013 11:35 Glurkenspurk wrote:Destiny actually made a good point about this on Reddit (I know.. I know) + Show Spoiler +How in the fuck did we ever get to a point to where people think that it's a journalists job to make a company look better? If anything, it's the exact opposite. Journalism exists to keep companies honest, not to work in unison with them for their press releases. At that point it's no longer journalism and you're just a side-arm being paid off by the team to do news statements.
I'm curious, are there people here that feel like e-sports journalists should work right alongside teams and companies, yet feel like the political/journalists being in bed with each other in politics is wrong? Don't we always complain about bias media (be it fox news, MSNBC, CNN, etc...)? Those biases HAPPEN when journalists are no longer interested in reporting actual news and are more interested with making companies look better.
If you want your company to look better, put a lid on leaks, and work on your own press releases/hype yourself. Don't try to fucking out-source YOUR COMPANY'S HYPE and YOUR ORGANIZATION'S NEWS STATEMENTS to a third party journalist, that's crazy ridiculous.
On January 16 2013 11:48 Fionn wrote:
Why is everyone so mad at Slasher? So far all he's done is do his job. If the teams want to be mad at anyone, be pissed at the sources who Slasher got the information from. It would be nice if every team could do their super special announcements and do their own hype, but 90% of the time even the hyped up announcements are figured out before they're announced. I'm a sports fan so sources, rumors, and stuff like the stuff Slasher brings doesn't bother me at all and most of the time prefer it over the nicely put together announcements teams do for their new players.
I can see both sides, and I can understand if Slasher's scoops hurt teams who want to get a lot of exposure with their signings, but it comes down to the team to make sure that it doesn't leak.
Pretty much agree with all of this.
Ofc theres that other point that doing these leaks will hurt esports and teams but it's pretty well included in whats have been said already.
- People will still watch cool looking shit
- It's your choice, keep a lid on or stfu
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I find the idea that organizations make any significant percentage of their profit from page views from player signing announcements, as well as the idea that people get into esports because they see a team has just signed a player, to be equally absurd.
The real fight here was EG trying to turn public opinion against Slasher, a thing they've done relatively well. If anyone thinks page views from player signings are relevant to the survival of esports they are completely delusional.
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On January 16 2013 11:46 scudst0rm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 11:34 SafeWord wrote:
My only question to Slasher is; " Why don't you do what you did with Thorzain's signing anymore?" lol, that was everyone's question.
Isn't it obvious that after the story is out nobody really cares to read about it? Slasher gets higher numbers for breaking stories. Tadaa. Is it his fault that he tries to maximize his numbers by delivering the story first hand?
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On January 16 2013 11:52 jalstar wrote:
I find the idea that organizations make any significant percentage of their profit from page views from player signing announcements, as well as the idea that people get into esports because they see a team has just signed a player, to be equally absurd.
The real fight here was EG trying to turn public opinion against Slasher, a thing they've done relatively well. If anyone thinks page views from player signings are relevant to the survival of esports they are completely delusional.
I think that because I helped create it. I know what's reported to sponsors. I know their feedback and I know their value of what we produce. I know their excitement because of it was well. I know their desire to be a part of it and how potential sponsors have heard of us because of what we've produced when not knowing any of our players by name.
So, I must be that delusional guy you're speaking of.
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On January 16 2013 11:52 jalstar wrote:
I find the idea that organizations make any significant percentage of their profit from page views from player signing announcements, as well as the idea that people get into esports because they see a team has just signed a player, to be equally absurd.
The real fight here was EG trying to turn public opinion against Slasher, a thing they've done relatively well. If anyone thinks page views from player signings are relevant to the survival of esports they are completely delusional.
what makes more sense, the most successful team owner in the business describing explicitly how it hurts the way his team operates or us having some weird vendetta against slasher?
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On January 16 2013 11:46 scudst0rm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 11:34 SafeWord wrote:
My only question to Slasher is; " Why don't you do what you did with Thorzain's signing anymore?" lol, that was everyone's question.
If he was to answer just that ONE question I wouldn't be this upset, instead he talks about how they were referencing his news article. Like what? That's the best you have really?
Also the part where Alex told him "hey I got exclusive content for you, if you don't leak." And he went away and leaked anyway? There is NO ONE in the video game industry who wouldn't take that. I use to go to Slasher for fucking in depth coverages and now he is doing this lazy shit on GameSpot? Yeah...
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Really interesting discussion about the different perspectives of journalism, but not new in any sense, except that it involves esports. There has always been a struggle between journalist and governments/corporations, its how the entire Public Relations field was founded and esports uses common forms of PR with its own unique twist, such as with EG having players represent them in the public/talk shows in a much more personal way than you see traditional sports.
Slasher comes from the perspective of a independent/freelance journalism, which has been one of the most traditional and influential types of journalism this world has ever known with its main goal being to inform or spread the truth, regardless of what anyone thinks, which is exactly what he does. This is where I see the conflict stemming from, journalistic philosophy vs private/personal interest.
Lets look at Alex Garfield now, he is a CEO of one of the biggest and most profitable teams western esports has ever seen, hell I think they could be considered the one and only esports empire. But when you are the CEO the most important thing(imo) is making money, reinvesting, and growing. And Slasher's style directly conflicts with the goals of not only EG but of every corporation or team out their in regards to PR, its how independent journalism works and what makes it special.
As someone who follows many different independent and freelance journalist daily it becomes evident how essential they are in helping to get a realistic look from an insider perspective and that's why I find it so invaluable. I hope Slasher keeps doing what he's doing. I think the main thing that gets lost in the conflict is that its all about information and knowledge not about how or when its presented. Which is why social media is such a valuable tool, I can find out whats happening in Gaza, Cairo, Kenya just by getting on twitter, we are in a new age of information and communication instead of corporations trying to adjust those around them, they should change the way they work and adjust to the world around them(not saying they don't but just in different and new ways).
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On January 16 2013 11:54 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 11:52 jalstar wrote:
I find the idea that organizations make any significant percentage of their profit from page views from player signing announcements, as well as the idea that people get into esports because they see a team has just signed a player, to be equally absurd.
The real fight here was EG trying to turn public opinion against Slasher, a thing they've done relatively well. If anyone thinks page views from player signings are relevant to the survival of esports they are completely delusional. what makes more sense, the most successful team owner in the business describing explicitly how it hurts the way his team operates or us having some weird vendetta against slasher?
The latter, especially with how ITG/EG has operated in the past (see Milkis)
EG really good at gangbanging anyone they hate.
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On January 16 2013 11:52 jalstar wrote:
I find the idea that organizations make any significant percentage of their profit from page views from player signing announcements, as well as the idea that people get into esports because they see a team has just signed a player, to be equally absurd.
The real fight here was EG trying to turn public opinion against Slasher, a thing they've done relatively well. If anyone thinks page views from player signings are relevant to the survival of esports they are completely delusional.
They also seem to think "esports" news and reporting should work differently than any other sport. There are entire sites dedicated to reporting info with nothing but "sources" behind them (almost no names ever unless the source isn't at risk at all). People trust those reports the more they're right, and the teams having info leaked about them can do nothing but try to plug up the leaks. It's funny people think SC and pro gaming in general should get the kiddie glove treatment in regards to this.
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