I will 100% say the Snute signing that was leaked, took the hype out of it for me.
I'm not even a EG fan, but this shit has me really pissed off. When I see other journalist work their ass and get very few views. Then you have present day Slasher, who just leaks everything and doesn't even put in any effort anymore, and still gets shit tons of views is out right sickening to me.
My only question to Slasher is; " Why don't you do what you did with Thorzain's signing anymore?" That was REAL journalism, you actually took time to put work into something. If all your going to do now is just leak information, then get off of GameSpot.
I'm sorry but after listening to this I have gotten really mad and annoyed. When you are asked a question answer it don't beat around the bush, and that's all Slasher did tonight. That is why I have lost respect for him.
On January 16 2013 11:31 ronpaul012 wrote: I really liked the point incontrol was trying to make. Nobody else in the conversation was bringing up the cost/benefit analysis that only slasher can look at. Is he getting such great views on these posts compared to his normal ones, and is that worth pissing off a bunch of teams and players? If it is for slasher, then I think there's very little chance he stops. However if he does look at it and view it as not worth it, he'll probably town it down.
Uh, honestly?
The reach of posts on Gamespot is probably much larger than things on EG's site, which pretty much is only going to get views by people who are already fans of EG. So yeah.. Leaking info on Gamespot's site is much more useful to "growing esports" than formally announcing stuff on their own.
So pissing people off in exchange for getting information to a wider gaming audience is good.
which makes those people pissed off that they are losing money, and less likely to want to participate in this industry?
On January 16 2013 11:14 mainerd wrote: Slasher reports stuff early, what's the big deal, some people seem to want it. The teams don't have to like it, Slasher's trying to make a buck in the market just like the players, teams, their owners and the sponsors are. Why does he have to be publicly pilloried for it? You don't have to like the guy or what he does, but this kind of early reporting is pretty standard, not just in sports news but in technology news, politics, entertainment, etc. Alex should just stop giving info to Slasher if he has a problem with it. It seemed really selfish on Alex's part to turn this into something so dramatic, where he's somehow entitled to the views on a piece of information that's left his control.
Why Alex thinks he deserves this deference from Slasher is beyond me. Is it because of the health and growth of eSports? eSports is not some fantasy market where the rules which govern every other market do not apply. Don't like early reporting, that's your problem, not Slasher's, instead of blowing it up in public how about dealing with it appropriately in private so you aren't likely to have your announcements spoiled? Show some class.
The thing is with leaking the news early everyone is losing, like TB said, he/we could get some awesome _actual_ journalism and exclusive interviews but he'd rather just leak the news to get quick page views. I mean good for him that's how he gets most of he pageviews but overall we're all losing with this system.
Reporting something is journalism!
Acting as a mouthpiece for a company and only doing what they on the other hand is not journalism!
Tweeting one liners of upcoming news isn't journalism. Doing interviews, research, and opinion pieces is journalism.
Sorry no, no, no, no and no. Doing "Opinion Pieces" is not journalism, it's touting your opinion. It may be considered News, but Opinion Pieces always have the opinons of the author (hence the name), which journalism isn't supposed to be. Journalism is supposed to be the responsible reporting of facts important to the public so they can form their own opinion on the story. You shouldn't be telling people how to feel about a story in journalism, merely what it is.
Tweeting one liners of upcoming news is journalism, not following it up with in-depth interviews, research, more information is poor journalism. I've posted it before on here, a journalist should not be the pr arm of the company, nor should he/she be a rogue agent that never does anything a company that asks them to do. It's a relationship that needs to be maintained by both sides, sometimes a reporter should break a story, other times they should get the interview. The company shouldn't be the one to decide that. The reporter needs to have good judgment in that decision. Slasher's (in my opinion) wasn't good, but it wasn't bad either. It was eh.
How in the fuck did we ever get to a point to where people think that it's a journalists job to make a company look better? If anything, it's the exact opposite. Journalism exists to keep companies honest, not to work in unison with them for their press releases. At that point it's no longer journalism and you're just a side-arm being paid off by the team to do news statements. I'm curious, are there people here that feel like e-sports journalists should work right alongside teams and companies, yet feel like the political/journalists being in bed with each other in politics is wrong? Don't we always complain about bias media (be it fox news, MSNBC, CNN, etc...)? Those biases HAPPEN when journalists are no longer interested in reporting actual news and are more interested with making companies look better. If you want your company to look better, put a lid on leaks, and work on your own press releases/hype yourself. Don't try to fucking out-source YOUR COMPANY'S HYPE and YOUR ORGANIZATION'S NEWS STATEMENTS to a third party journalist, that's crazy ridiculous.
On January 16 2013 11:12 Polygamy wrote: TB says all this about using slasher as a tool right now but I feel as if something got leaked he didn't intend TB would be pissed.
Not really, I have a million combined subscribers, I crush Gamespots reach when it comes to this stuff, I couldn't care less. Most of the eyes I want to put on my content don't even know who Slasher is.
The point I made however is valid, our reach is one of the few exceptions to the rule and quite frankly I discussed this in detail on the show and you seem to have cherrypicked from it.
TB I thought everything you said was well spoken.
I just see Slasher reporting the news early and hurting the teams which fund the esports industry. That needs to stop. We want esports to grow, not fail.
Could you be any more dramatic? ESPORTS wont die cus of early leak on signings. It may hurt the hype vids from the teams sometimes but it can also help create hype.
I have no idea why they used Snute as an example. I felt it was alot of hype around it and he basicly got the biggest expore of all, with reaching the front page of norways biggest newspaper.
On January 16 2013 11:14 mainerd wrote: Slasher reports stuff early, what's the big deal, some people seem to want it. The teams don't have to like it, Slasher's trying to make a buck in the market just like the players, teams, their owners and the sponsors are. Why does he have to be publicly pilloried for it? You don't have to like the guy or what he does, but this kind of early reporting is pretty standard, not just in sports news but in technology news, politics, entertainment, etc. Alex should just stop giving info to Slasher if he has a problem with it. It seemed really selfish on Alex's part to turn this into something so dramatic, where he's somehow entitled to the views on a piece of information that's left his control.
Why Alex thinks he deserves this deference from Slasher is beyond me. Is it because of the health and growth of eSports? eSports is not some fantasy market where the rules which govern every other market do not apply. Don't like early reporting, that's your problem, not Slasher's, instead of blowing it up in public how about dealing with it appropriately in private so you aren't likely to have your announcements spoiled? Show some class.
The thing is with leaking the news early everyone is losing, like TB said, he/we could get some awesome _actual_ journalism and exclusive interviews but he'd rather just leak the news to get quick page views. I mean good for him that's how he gets most of he pageviews but overall we're all losing with this system.
Reporting something is journalism!
Acting as a mouthpiece for a company and only doing what they on the other hand is not journalism!
Tweeting one liners of upcoming news isn't journalism. Doing interviews, research, and opinion pieces is journalism.
Yes it is, just because it is light on the detail does not make it not journalism.
Yeah, we'll keep that in mind when anyone wants to go to school and major in journalism tell them that all you need to do is write 160 characters or less, and poof you're gosu at journalism.
So it is not journalism now because of the length of what someone writes?
Bar the fact it does meet the criteria for being called journalism?
It might not be the best journalism, it it still is (journalism).
The Alex vs Slasher argument just reminded me of this dota 2 match i had yesterday. This guy just walked into a tower in the easy lane and dies at the very beginning and then proceeds to blame me for his death. He proceeds to rage at me for the whole game that I made him die. When I'm on the hard lane (this was before 1 minute into the game as well).
Like Dota 2 don't blame other people but yourself.. that is the lesson here.. and as a successful business man (well im not making 7 figures but anyways) learn from your mistakes so they don't happen again.
And what the hell am I hearing pro-gamers talking about buisness and monetizing for. They are paid to play games, their understanding of how it works wouldn't be as great as Alex.. I say, let them concentrate on being entertaining and get paid for it while the people behind the scene do their work..
On January 16 2013 11:31 ronpaul012 wrote: I really liked the point incontrol was trying to make. Nobody else in the conversation was bringing up the cost/benefit analysis that only slasher can look at. Is he getting such great views on these posts compared to his normal ones, and is that worth pissing off a bunch of teams and players? If it is for slasher, then I think there's very little chance he stops. However if he does look at it and view it as not worth it, he'll probably town it down.
Uh, honestly?
The reach of posts on Gamespot is probably much larger than things on EG's site, which pretty much is only going to get views by people who are already fans of EG. So yeah.. Leaking info on Gamespot's site is much more useful to "growing esports" than formally announcing stuff on their own.
So pissing people off in exchange for getting information to a wider gaming audience is good.
It's actually not. I very much doubt these articles on Gamespot bring in any non-eSports traffic at all. Why would anyone click something with those titles if they had no idea about SC2? It's useless for that purpose. Merely being on a site where there are people that don't have SC2 interest does not guarantee interest or conversions, especially not when you title and create your content in such a way that it completely excludes anyone who doesn't know what these terms are.
StarCraft II players Heart and Alicia to sign with Axiom Gaming < How many non SC2 guys are clicking that? Yeah I'm gonna go with close to zero.
On January 16 2013 11:31 ronpaul012 wrote: I really liked the point incontrol was trying to make. Nobody else in the conversation was bringing up the cost/benefit analysis that only slasher can look at. Is he getting such great views on these posts compared to his normal ones, and is that worth pissing off a bunch of teams and players? If it is for slasher, then I think there's very little chance he stops. However if he does look at it and view it as not worth it, he'll probably town it down.
Uh, honestly?
The reach of posts on Gamespot is probably much larger than things on EG's site, which pretty much is only going to get views by people who are already fans of EG. So yeah.. Leaking info on Gamespot's site is much more useful to "growing esports" than formally announcing stuff on their own.
So pissing people off in exchange for getting information to a wider gaming audience is good.
which makes those people pissed off that they are losing money, and less likely to want to participate in this industry?
that's good?
ok that's nice.
So you're saying it doesn't actually ruin the esports scene, just a corporation not seeing its profit.
On January 16 2013 11:31 ronpaul012 wrote: I really liked the point incontrol was trying to make. Nobody else in the conversation was bringing up the cost/benefit analysis that only slasher can look at. Is he getting such great views on these posts compared to his normal ones, and is that worth pissing off a bunch of teams and players? If it is for slasher, then I think there's very little chance he stops. However if he does look at it and view it as not worth it, he'll probably town it down.
Uh, honestly?
The reach of posts on Gamespot is probably much larger than things on EG's site, which pretty much is only going to get views by people who are already fans of EG. So yeah.. Leaking info on Gamespot's site is much more useful to "growing esports" than formally announcing stuff on their own.
So pissing people off in exchange for getting information to a wider gaming audience is good.
which makes those people pissed off that they are losing money, and less likely to want to participate in this industry?
that's good?
ok that's nice.
So you're saying it doesn't actually ruin the esports scene, just a corporation not seeing its profit.
On January 16 2013 11:14 mainerd wrote: Slasher reports stuff early, what's the big deal, some people seem to want it. The teams don't have to like it, Slasher's trying to make a buck in the market just like the players, teams, their owners and the sponsors are. Why does he have to be publicly pilloried for it? You don't have to like the guy or what he does, but this kind of early reporting is pretty standard, not just in sports news but in technology news, politics, entertainment, etc. Alex should just stop giving info to Slasher if he has a problem with it. It seemed really selfish on Alex's part to turn this into something so dramatic, where he's somehow entitled to the views on a piece of information that's left his control.
Why Alex thinks he deserves this deference from Slasher is beyond me. Is it because of the health and growth of eSports? eSports is not some fantasy market where the rules which govern every other market do not apply. Don't like early reporting, that's your problem, not Slasher's, instead of blowing it up in public how about dealing with it appropriately in private so you aren't likely to have your announcements spoiled? Show some class.
The thing is with leaking the news early everyone is losing, like TB said, he/we could get some awesome _actual_ journalism and exclusive interviews but he'd rather just leak the news to get quick page views. I mean good for him that's how he gets most of he pageviews but overall we're all losing with this system.
Reporting something is journalism!
Acting as a mouthpiece for a company and only doing what they on the other hand is not journalism!
Tweeting one liners of upcoming news isn't journalism. Doing interviews, research, and opinion pieces is journalism.
Sorry no, no, no, no and no. Doing "Opinion Pieces" is not journalism, it's touting your opinion. It may be considered News, but Opinion Pieces always have the opinons of the author (hence the name), which journalism isn't supposed to be. Journalism is supposed to be the responsible reporting of facts important to the public so they can form their own opinion on the story. You shouldn't be telling people how to feel about a story in journalism, merely what it is.
Tweeting one liners of upcoming news is journalism, not following it up with in-depth interviews, research, more information is poor journalism. I've posted it before on here, a journalist should not be the pr arm of the company, nor should he/she be a rogue agent that never does anything a company that asks them to do. It's a relationship that needs to be maintained by both sides, sometimes a reporter should break a story, other times they should get the interview. The company shouldn't be the one to decide that. The reporter needs to have good judgment in that decision. Slasher's (in my opinion) wasn't good, but it wasn't bad either. It was eh.
Opinion pieces most definitely are journalism, because they require a significant amount of information to be provided to make your opinion clear, and thus provide facts. While it most certainly is opinion, it has a big place in journalism which is why newspapers and news sites have such extensive opinion sections. It's just that journalism isn't primarily opinion pieces, that's a follow up to an existing story.
The reporter shouldn't be the bitch of the company, but he should understand that if he leaks information the company doesn't want leaked, it's only going to hurt the company and his relationship with them. They need to spend more time focusing on doing other things than just throwing out facts with no details as quickly as possible to be first.
On January 16 2013 11:31 ronpaul012 wrote: I really liked the point incontrol was trying to make. Nobody else in the conversation was bringing up the cost/benefit analysis that only slasher can look at. Is he getting such great views on these posts compared to his normal ones, and is that worth pissing off a bunch of teams and players? If it is for slasher, then I think there's very little chance he stops. However if he does look at it and view it as not worth it, he'll probably town it down.
Uh, honestly?
The reach of posts on Gamespot is probably much larger than things on EG's site, which pretty much is only going to get views by people who are already fans of EG. So yeah.. Leaking info on Gamespot's site is much more useful to "growing esports" than formally announcing stuff on their own.
So pissing people off in exchange for getting information to a wider gaming audience is good.
It's actually not. I very much doubt these articles on Gamespot bring in any non-eSports traffic at all. Why would anyone click something with those titles if they had no idea about SC2? It's useless for that purpose. Merely being on a site where there are people that don't have SC2 interest does not guarantee interest or conversions, especially not when you title and create your content in such a way that it completely excludes anyone who doesn't know what these terms are.
StarCraft II players Heart and Alicia to sign with Axiom Gaming < How many non SC2 guys are clicking that? Yeah I'm gonna go with close to zero.
If a site like Gamespot have no chance for someone curious about esports and clicking the link, what chances do teams such as yours or EG, have in bringing new viewers to the scene? At least Gamespot has a chance to bring in viewers, EG and you are just showing content to the present fans.
On January 16 2013 11:31 ronpaul012 wrote: I really liked the point incontrol was trying to make. Nobody else in the conversation was bringing up the cost/benefit analysis that only slasher can look at. Is he getting such great views on these posts compared to his normal ones, and is that worth pissing off a bunch of teams and players? If it is for slasher, then I think there's very little chance he stops. However if he does look at it and view it as not worth it, he'll probably town it down.
Uh, honestly?
The reach of posts on Gamespot is probably much larger than things on EG's site, which pretty much is only going to get views by people who are already fans of EG. So yeah.. Leaking info on Gamespot's site is much more useful to "growing esports" than formally announcing stuff on their own.
So pissing people off in exchange for getting information to a wider gaming audience is good.
It's actually not. I very much doubt these articles on Gamespot bring in any non-eSports traffic at all. Why would anyone click something with those titles if they had no idea about SC2? It's useless for that purpose. Merely being on a site where there are people that don't have SC2 interest does not guarantee interest or conversions, especially not when you title and create your content in such a way that it completely excludes anyone who doesn't know what these terms are.
StarCraft II players Heart and Alicia to sign with Axiom Gaming < How many non SC2 guys are clicking that? Yeah I'm gonna go with close to zero.
Yeah, pretty much no clickthroughs if the audience is wrong.
On January 16 2013 11:31 ronpaul012 wrote: I really liked the point incontrol was trying to make. Nobody else in the conversation was bringing up the cost/benefit analysis that only slasher can look at. Is he getting such great views on these posts compared to his normal ones, and is that worth pissing off a bunch of teams and players? If it is for slasher, then I think there's very little chance he stops. However if he does look at it and view it as not worth it, he'll probably town it down.
Uh, honestly?
The reach of posts on Gamespot is probably much larger than things on EG's site, which pretty much is only going to get views by people who are already fans of EG. So yeah.. Leaking info on Gamespot's site is much more useful to "growing esports" than formally announcing stuff on their own.
So pissing people off in exchange for getting information to a wider gaming audience is good.
It's actually not. I very much doubt these articles on Gamespot bring in any non-eSports traffic at all. Why would anyone click something with those titles if they had no idea about SC2? It's useless for that purpose. Merely being on a site where there are people that don't have SC2 interest does not guarantee interest or conversions, especially not when you title and create your content in such a way that it completely excludes anyone who doesn't know what these terms are.
StarCraft II players Heart and Alicia to sign with Axiom Gaming < How many non SC2 guys are clicking that? Yeah I'm gonna go with close to zero.
If a site like Gamespot have no chance for someone curious about esports and clicking the link, what chances do teams such as yours or EG, have in bringing new viewers to the scene? At least Gamespot has a chance to bring in viewers, EG and you are just showing content to the present fans.
if you're thinking that player signings are supposed to bring new viewers to the scene in the first place...
On January 16 2013 11:27 Noocta wrote: It's just not fun to have players recrutement leaked like that. Let the team make awesome intro like Liquid or EG do. Let there be hype. Slasher basicly spoiled everyone about Liquid'Snute and I feel it break a lot of the hype around it.
Just because I know something is coming doesn't mean I am no longer interested in what the team has to say.
On January 16 2013 11:31 ronpaul012 wrote: I really liked the point incontrol was trying to make. Nobody else in the conversation was bringing up the cost/benefit analysis that only slasher can look at. Is he getting such great views on these posts compared to his normal ones, and is that worth pissing off a bunch of teams and players? If it is for slasher, then I think there's very little chance he stops. However if he does look at it and view it as not worth it, he'll probably town it down.
Uh, honestly?
The reach of posts on Gamespot is probably much larger than things on EG's site, which pretty much is only going to get views by people who are already fans of EG. So yeah.. Leaking info on Gamespot's site is much more useful to "growing esports" than formally announcing stuff on their own.
So pissing people off in exchange for getting information to a wider gaming audience is good.
which makes those people pissed off that they are losing money, and less likely to want to participate in this industry?
that's good?
ok that's nice.
So you're saying it doesn't actually ruin the esports scene, just a corporation not seeing its profit.
...um. where did I say that?
So then what ARE you trying to say? We just lose a team. How does that hurt esports, which is the point of the argument about esports journalism?
On January 16 2013 11:14 mainerd wrote: Slasher reports stuff early, what's the big deal, some people seem to want it. The teams don't have to like it, Slasher's trying to make a buck in the market just like the players, teams, their owners and the sponsors are. Why does he have to be publicly pilloried for it? You don't have to like the guy or what he does, but this kind of early reporting is pretty standard, not just in sports news but in technology news, politics, entertainment, etc. Alex should just stop giving info to Slasher if he has a problem with it. It seemed really selfish on Alex's part to turn this into something so dramatic, where he's somehow entitled to the views on a piece of information that's left his control.
Why Alex thinks he deserves this deference from Slasher is beyond me. Is it because of the health and growth of eSports? eSports is not some fantasy market where the rules which govern every other market do not apply. Don't like early reporting, that's your problem, not Slasher's, instead of blowing it up in public how about dealing with it appropriately in private so you aren't likely to have your announcements spoiled? Show some class.
The thing is with leaking the news early everyone is losing, like TB said, he/we could get some awesome _actual_ journalism and exclusive interviews but he'd rather just leak the news to get quick page views. I mean good for him that's how he gets most of he pageviews but overall we're all losing with this system.
Reporting something is journalism!
Acting as a mouthpiece for a company and only doing what they on the other hand is not journalism!
Tweeting one liners of upcoming news isn't journalism. Doing interviews, research, and opinion pieces is journalism.
Yes it is, just because it is light on the detail does not make it not journalism.
Yeah, we'll keep that in mind when anyone wants to go to school and major in journalism tell them that all you need to do is write 160 characters or less, and poof you're gosu at journalism.
So it is not journalism now because of the length of what someone writes?
Bar the fact it does meet the criteria for being called journalism?
It might not be the best journalism, it it still is (journalism).
Ted Koppel (In case you don't know who he is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Koppel) disagrees strongly with that view, and I'm inclined to agree with him. I posted a link to it here earlier, but he was the speaker at my commencement last year and gave a wonderful speech about how journalists and the media in general care way more about getting news and facts out to you quickly rather than doing actual investigations and real journalism, and that we should care far more about substance than speed.
On January 16 2013 11:31 ronpaul012 wrote: I really liked the point incontrol was trying to make. Nobody else in the conversation was bringing up the cost/benefit analysis that only slasher can look at. Is he getting such great views on these posts compared to his normal ones, and is that worth pissing off a bunch of teams and players? If it is for slasher, then I think there's very little chance he stops. However if he does look at it and view it as not worth it, he'll probably town it down.
Uh, honestly?
The reach of posts on Gamespot is probably much larger than things on EG's site, which pretty much is only going to get views by people who are already fans of EG. So yeah.. Leaking info on Gamespot's site is much more useful to "growing esports" than formally announcing stuff on their own.
So pissing people off in exchange for getting information to a wider gaming audience is good.
It's actually not. I very much doubt these articles on Gamespot bring in any non-eSports traffic at all. Why would anyone click something with those titles if they had no idea about SC2? It's useless for that purpose. Merely being on a site where there are people that don't have SC2 interest does not guarantee interest or conversions, especially not when you title and create your content in such a way that it completely excludes anyone who doesn't know what these terms are.
StarCraft II players Heart and Alicia to sign with Axiom Gaming < How many non SC2 guys are clicking that? Yeah I'm gonna go with close to zero.
Honestly how many people from SC2 click that? I know personally I'm far more likely to read an interview or article that shows some potential depth more than just a leak about a new signing. If it is a new signing I also know that teams like EG or TL both post far better material of the announcement than slasher just saying sources confirm.
On January 16 2013 11:14 mainerd wrote: Slasher reports stuff early, what's the big deal, some people seem to want it. The teams don't have to like it, Slasher's trying to make a buck in the market just like the players, teams, their owners and the sponsors are. Why does he have to be publicly pilloried for it? You don't have to like the guy or what he does, but this kind of early reporting is pretty standard, not just in sports news but in technology news, politics, entertainment, etc. Alex should just stop giving info to Slasher if he has a problem with it. It seemed really selfish on Alex's part to turn this into something so dramatic, where he's somehow entitled to the views on a piece of information that's left his control.
Why Alex thinks he deserves this deference from Slasher is beyond me. Is it because of the health and growth of eSports? eSports is not some fantasy market where the rules which govern every other market do not apply. Don't like early reporting, that's your problem, not Slasher's, instead of blowing it up in public how about dealing with it appropriately in private so you aren't likely to have your announcements spoiled? Show some class.
The thing is with leaking the news early everyone is losing, like TB said, he/we could get some awesome _actual_ journalism and exclusive interviews but he'd rather just leak the news to get quick page views. I mean good for him that's how he gets most of he pageviews but overall we're all losing with this system.
Reporting something is journalism!
Acting as a mouthpiece for a company and only doing what they want on the other hand is not journalism!
I don't think were really talking about what is the definition of journalism but instead what type of journalism is appropriate for the space. Big media journalism can be pretty cut throat with different entities competing to break the big stories first. But is that the type of journalism that we want in this space?
Slasher's leaks an announcement and gets a lot of hits from SC fans, but to the average gamespotter it doesn't have a lot of appeal. But if Slasher announces a big signing along with the team and links to a really epic polished youtube video it will still get a good about of hits from the SC fans but will also have a much bigger impact on the uninitiated gamespotter and cause a lot more buzz.
It's a free country and Slasher can do what ever he likes. It might be better in the short term for him personally to leak news and get his views that way. My conjecture is that if he works with the teams and brings more people in to the space then it's better for him in the long term because he's bolstering the industry that his job relies on.
On January 16 2013 11:31 ronpaul012 wrote: I really liked the point incontrol was trying to make. Nobody else in the conversation was bringing up the cost/benefit analysis that only slasher can look at. Is he getting such great views on these posts compared to his normal ones, and is that worth pissing off a bunch of teams and players? If it is for slasher, then I think there's very little chance he stops. However if he does look at it and view it as not worth it, he'll probably town it down.
Uh, honestly?
The reach of posts on Gamespot is probably much larger than things on EG's site, which pretty much is only going to get views by people who are already fans of EG. So yeah.. Leaking info on Gamespot's site is much more useful to "growing esports" than formally announcing stuff on their own.
So pissing people off in exchange for getting information to a wider gaming audience is good.
which makes those people pissed off that they are losing money, and less likely to want to participate in this industry?
that's good?
ok that's nice.
So you're saying it doesn't actually ruin the esports scene, just a corporation not seeing its profit.
...um. where did I say that?
So then what ARE you trying to say? We just lose a team. How does that hurt esports, which is the point of the argument about esports journalism?
so if all the teams die out, esports isn't hurt?
ok
o_O who said I was just talking about one team anyways, this can happen to multiple teams (or even all) technically `-`
On January 16 2013 11:31 ronpaul012 wrote: I really liked the point incontrol was trying to make. Nobody else in the conversation was bringing up the cost/benefit analysis that only slasher can look at. Is he getting such great views on these posts compared to his normal ones, and is that worth pissing off a bunch of teams and players? If it is for slasher, then I think there's very little chance he stops. However if he does look at it and view it as not worth it, he'll probably town it down.
Uh, honestly?
The reach of posts on Gamespot is probably much larger than things on EG's site, which pretty much is only going to get views by people who are already fans of EG. So yeah.. Leaking info on Gamespot's site is much more useful to "growing esports" than formally announcing stuff on their own.
So pissing people off in exchange for getting information to a wider gaming audience is good.
It's actually not. I very much doubt these articles on Gamespot bring in any non-eSports traffic at all. Why would anyone click something with those titles if they had no idea about SC2? It's useless for that purpose. Merely being on a site where there are people that don't have SC2 interest does not guarantee interest or conversions, especially not when you title and create your content in such a way that it completely excludes anyone who doesn't know what these terms are.
StarCraft II players Heart and Alicia to sign with Axiom Gaming < How many non SC2 guys are clicking that? Yeah I'm gonna go with close to zero.
If a site like Gamespot have no chance for someone curious about esports and clicking the link, what chances do teams such as yours or EG, have in bringing new viewers to the scene? At least Gamespot has a chance to bring in viewers, EG and you are just showing content to the present fans.
TotalBiscuits youtube channel has an audience that is not at all restricted to the SC2 scene. He posts his announcments on a separate channel, still he aso somewhat markets it to his other audience.
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