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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 02:14:44
January 16 2013 02:14 GMT
#7861
goatlust?

edit: shit.....
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 02:14:58
January 16 2013 02:14 GMT
#7862
On January 16 2013 11:12 Polygamy wrote:
TB says all this about using slasher as a tool right now but I feel as if something got leaked he didn't intend TB would be pissed.


Not really, I have a million combined subscribers, I crush Gamespots reach when it comes to this stuff, I couldn't care less. Most of the eyes I want to put on my content don't even know who Slasher is.

The point I made however is valid, our reach is one of the few exceptions to the rule and quite frankly I discussed this in detail on the show and you seem to have cherrypicked from it.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
January 16 2013 02:14 GMT
#7863
On January 16 2013 11:12 SiguR wrote:
People are forgetting that this is an industry built on page views that isn't big enough to afford legal protection of information.

Basically this. This industry plays too nice to take legal action for someone breaking unwritten rules (obviously they get everything in writing). If there were actual legal consequences to this, obviously it wouldn't happen.
garbodor
Profile Joined October 2011
269 Posts
January 16 2013 02:14 GMT
#7864
this itg feels like a washed down episode of state of the game

i want discussion about starcraft, not second rate journalist drama :[
mainerd
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States347 Posts
January 16 2013 02:14 GMT
#7865
Slasher reports stuff early, what's the big deal, some people seem to want it. The teams don't have to like it, Slasher's trying to make a buck in the market just like the players, teams, their owners and the sponsors are. Why does he have to be publicly pilloried for it? You don't have to like the guy or what he does, but this kind of early reporting is pretty standard, not just in sports news but in technology news, politics, entertainment, etc. Alex should just stop giving info to Slasher if he has a problem with it. It seemed really selfish on Alex's part to turn this into something so dramatic, where he's somehow entitled to the views on a piece of information that's left his control.

Why Alex thinks he deserves this deference from Slasher is beyond me. Is it because of the health and growth of eSports? eSports is not some fantasy market where the rules which govern every other market do not apply. Don't like early reporting, that's your problem, not Slasher's, instead of blowing it up in public how about dealing with it appropriately in private so you aren't likely to have your announcements spoiled? Show some class.
"Let me tell you, in eSTRO we had some circle jerks, straight up. It wasn't pretty." -NonY
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 02:17:27
January 16 2013 02:16 GMT
#7866
On January 16 2013 11:11 GreyKnight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 11:10 Dotq wrote:
Why should it be up to totalbiscuit and alex how slasher conducts his job?

If there is a market for that kind of journalism, then that kind of journalism will exist.



ITS NOT GOOD FOR ESPORTS.

Yep, that's really the core of the argument.


It's not good for teams.
In Alex's eyes, teams take priority over everyone else in eSports. Which is the right way to do any job within a capitalist structure.
His argument in essences says reporting is secondary and deserves less attention and money.
Reporters are not supposed to be lackeys of organizations. There should be things they report or even the way they report them that teams won't like.

Simply reporting known news isn't reporting. It's milking the story.

Neither side is fully understanding or considering the position of the other.
This situation is not black and white, but there is a limited amount of money in every system/basket. Multiple hands want to benefit from the same basket, people will get slapped.
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
January 16 2013 02:16 GMT
#7867
Thanks incontrol/idra for you opinions today. I dont agree with you but you brought up your points in a very mannered way! So thx.
IRL_Sinister
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Ireland621 Posts
January 16 2013 02:16 GMT
#7868
On January 16 2013 11:16 MrCash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 11:11 GreyKnight wrote:
On January 16 2013 11:10 Dotq wrote:
Why should it be up to totalbiscuit and alex how slasher conducts his job?

If there is a market for that kind of journalism, then that kind of journalism will exist.



ITS NOT GOOD FOR ESPORTS.

Yep, that's really the core of the argument.


It's not good for teams.
In Alex's eyes, teams are the only thing that matter in eSports.
His argument in essences says reporting is secondary and deserves less attention and money.
Reporters are not supposed to be lackeys of organizations. There should be things they report or even the way they report them that teams won't like.

Simply reporting known news isn't reporting. It's milking the story.

Neither side is fully understanding or considering the position of the other.
This situation is not black and white, but there is a limited amount of money in every system/basket. Multiple hands want to benefit from the same basket, people will get slapped.


This needs to be emphasised.
dangerjoe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark1866 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 02:18:06
January 16 2013 02:17 GMT
#7869
On January 16 2013 10:52 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 10:50 dangerjoe wrote:
Oh wow.. Burned bridge :S

Well if Alex actually offered an exclusive interview with JD and Slasher never got back to him, and instead leaked the news, then Slasher really fucked up imo.


I would agree with this. Slasher's answer was "I didn't need it, only wanted the news", so it sounds like that's what happened to me.

Journalists can get a lot of publicity by doing interviews, opinion pieces, and by doing actual work. Simply leaking news is the lowest thing a journalist can do.


Yeah TB touched on this too. Slasher rejected an exclusive interview too leak the information early. Both are valid things to do, but I think people would be more interested in a long interview after EG-TL has revealed the news, instead of a short tweet breaking the news.

But hey, I'm not a journalist or a teamowner.

EDIT: And yeah, by doing that, Slasher pissed off an important relationship which could grant him more news/interviews and in the end more views.
Ask Beavis, I get nothing Butt-head
dannystarcraft
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States179 Posts
January 16 2013 02:17 GMT
#7870
On January 16 2013 11:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 11:12 Polygamy wrote:
TB says all this about using slasher as a tool right now but I feel as if something got leaked he didn't intend TB would be pissed.


Not really, I have a million combined subscribers, I crush Gamespots reach when it comes to this stuff, I couldn't care less. Most of the eyes I want to put on my content don't even know who Slasher is.

The point I made however is valid, our reach is one of the few exceptions to the rule and quite frankly I discussed this in detail on the show and you seem to have cherrypicked from it.


TB I thought everything you said was well spoken.

I just see Slasher reporting the news early and hurting the teams which fund the esports industry. That needs to stop. We want esports to grow, not fail.
neurosx
Profile Joined August 2011
Luxembourg1096 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 02:19:56
January 16 2013 02:18 GMT
#7871
On January 16 2013 11:14 mainerd wrote:
Slasher reports stuff early, what's the big deal, some people seem to want it. The teams don't have to like it, Slasher's trying to make a buck in the market just like the players, teams, their owners and the sponsors are. Why does he have to be publicly pilloried for it? You don't have to like the guy or what he does, but this kind of early reporting is pretty standard, not just in sports news but in technology news, politics, entertainment, etc. Alex should just stop giving info to Slasher if he has a problem with it. It seemed really selfish on Alex's part to turn this into something so dramatic, where he's somehow entitled to the views on a piece of information that's left his control.

Why Alex thinks he deserves this deference from Slasher is beyond me. Is it because of the health and growth of eSports? eSports is not some fantasy market where the rules which govern every other market do not apply. Don't like early reporting, that's your problem, not Slasher's, instead of blowing it up in public how about dealing with it appropriately in private so you aren't likely to have your announcements spoiled? Show some class.


The thing is with leaking the news early everyone is losing, like TB said, he/we could get some awesome _actual_ journalism and exclusive interviews but he'd rather just leak the news to get quick page views. I mean good for him that's how he gets most of his page views and money but overall we're all losing with this system.
You'll wish I'd never stooped to notice you.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
January 16 2013 02:18 GMT
#7872
kitty catttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
January 16 2013 02:18 GMT
#7873
On January 16 2013 11:13 neurosx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 11:12 Sandermatt wrote:
I tuned in late, what information did Slasher leak early?


Basically every player signup for the last 6 months


Ok, sorry I worded it wrong. Which announcment pissed Alex off.
IRL_Sinister
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Ireland621 Posts
January 16 2013 02:19 GMT
#7874
On January 16 2013 11:18 Sandermatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 11:13 neurosx wrote:
On January 16 2013 11:12 Sandermatt wrote:
I tuned in late, what information did Slasher leak early?


Basically every player signup for the last 6 months


Ok, sorry I worded it wrong. Which announcment pissed Alex off.


ED.JD.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
January 16 2013 02:21 GMT
#7875
On January 16 2013 11:17 dangerjoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 10:52 Whitewing wrote:
On January 16 2013 10:50 dangerjoe wrote:
Oh wow.. Burned bridge :S

Well if Alex actually offered an exclusive interview with JD and Slasher never got back to him, and instead leaked the news, then Slasher really fucked up imo.


I would agree with this. Slasher's answer was "I didn't need it, only wanted the news", so it sounds like that's what happened to me.

Journalists can get a lot of publicity by doing interviews, opinion pieces, and by doing actual work. Simply leaking news is the lowest thing a journalist can do.


Yeah TB touched on this too. Slasher rejected an exclusive interview too leak the information early. Both are valid things to do, but I think people would be more interested in a long interview after EG-TL has revealed the news, instead of a short tweet breaking the news.

But hey, I'm not a journalist or a teamowner.

EDIT: And yeah, by doing that, Slasher pissed off an important relationship which could grant him more news/interviews and in the end more views.


It reminds me of the graduation speech our speaker (Ted Koppel, great speaker) gave for our commencement. http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/05/newsman_ted_koppel_calls_on_gr.html

The main message he was giving was that we, as viewers and readers, should care far more about the substance of what is being said than simply wanting to hear the news fast.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
January 16 2013 02:22 GMT
#7876
I still don't understand how he's getting this info in the first place. That's the crux of this for me and i can't get past that. If he finds something out he should report it. If you don't want him finding it out, don't fucking tell him.

I dunno. It's clearly more complicated than that becuase if it was that simple, he wouldn't be able to leak these stories.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
The Devastator
Profile Joined September 2012
34 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 02:23:20
January 16 2013 02:22 GMT
#7877
On January 16 2013 11:18 neurosx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 11:14 mainerd wrote:
Slasher reports stuff early, what's the big deal, some people seem to want it. The teams don't have to like it, Slasher's trying to make a buck in the market just like the players, teams, their owners and the sponsors are. Why does he have to be publicly pilloried for it? You don't have to like the guy or what he does, but this kind of early reporting is pretty standard, not just in sports news but in technology news, politics, entertainment, etc. Alex should just stop giving info to Slasher if he has a problem with it. It seemed really selfish on Alex's part to turn this into something so dramatic, where he's somehow entitled to the views on a piece of information that's left his control.

Why Alex thinks he deserves this deference from Slasher is beyond me. Is it because of the health and growth of eSports? eSports is not some fantasy market where the rules which govern every other market do not apply. Don't like early reporting, that's your problem, not Slasher's, instead of blowing it up in public how about dealing with it appropriately in private so you aren't likely to have your announcements spoiled? Show some class.


The thing is with leaking the news early everyone is losing, like TB said, he/we could get some awesome _actual_ journalism and exclusive interviews but he'd rather just leak the news to get quick page views. I mean good for him that's how he gets most of he pageviews but overall we're all losing with this system.


Reporting something is journalism!

Acting as a mouthpiece for a company and only doing what they want on the other hand is not journalism!
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
January 16 2013 02:23 GMT
#7878
On January 16 2013 11:22 The Devastator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 11:18 neurosx wrote:
On January 16 2013 11:14 mainerd wrote:
Slasher reports stuff early, what's the big deal, some people seem to want it. The teams don't have to like it, Slasher's trying to make a buck in the market just like the players, teams, their owners and the sponsors are. Why does he have to be publicly pilloried for it? You don't have to like the guy or what he does, but this kind of early reporting is pretty standard, not just in sports news but in technology news, politics, entertainment, etc. Alex should just stop giving info to Slasher if he has a problem with it. It seemed really selfish on Alex's part to turn this into something so dramatic, where he's somehow entitled to the views on a piece of information that's left his control.

Why Alex thinks he deserves this deference from Slasher is beyond me. Is it because of the health and growth of eSports? eSports is not some fantasy market where the rules which govern every other market do not apply. Don't like early reporting, that's your problem, not Slasher's, instead of blowing it up in public how about dealing with it appropriately in private so you aren't likely to have your announcements spoiled? Show some class.


The thing is with leaking the news early everyone is losing, like TB said, he/we could get some awesome _actual_ journalism and exclusive interviews but he'd rather just leak the news to get quick page views. I mean good for him that's how he gets most of he pageviews but overall we're all losing with this system.


Reporting something is journalism!

Acting as a mouthpiece for a company and only doing what they on the other hand is not journalism!


Tweeting one liners of upcoming news isn't journalism. Doing interviews, research, and opinion pieces is journalism.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
January 16 2013 02:23 GMT
#7879
On January 16 2013 11:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 11:12 Polygamy wrote:
TB says all this about using slasher as a tool right now but I feel as if something got leaked he didn't intend TB would be pissed.


Not really, I have a million combined subscribers, I crush Gamespots reach when it comes to this stuff, I couldn't care less. Most of the eyes I want to put on my content don't even know who Slasher is.

The point I made however is valid, our reach is one of the few exceptions to the rule and quite frankly I discussed this in detail on the show and you seem to have cherrypicked from it.


Alright but if for some reason he released information about Scarlet that would have at the very least been a let down.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
January 16 2013 02:23 GMT
#7880
On January 16 2013 11:22 Goibon wrote:
I still don't understand how he's getting this info in the first place. That's the crux of this for me and i can't get past that. If he finds something out he should report it. If you don't want him finding it out, don't fucking tell him.

I dunno. It's clearly more complicated than that becuase if it was that simple, he wouldn't be able to leak these stories.

He won't be getting them much longer if things continue as they are though.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
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