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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:12 Polygamy wrote: TB says all this about using slasher as a tool right now but I feel as if something got leaked he didn't intend TB would be pissed. Not really, I have a million combined subscribers, I crush Gamespots reach when it comes to this stuff, I couldn't care less. Most of the eyes I want to put on my content don't even know who Slasher is. The point I made however is valid, our reach is one of the few exceptions to the rule and quite frankly I discussed this in detail on the show and you seem to have cherrypicked from it. | ||
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:12 SiguR wrote: People are forgetting that this is an industry built on page views that isn't big enough to afford legal protection of information. Basically this. This industry plays too nice to take legal action for someone breaking unwritten rules (obviously they get everything in writing). If there were actual legal consequences to this, obviously it wouldn't happen. | ||
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garbodor
269 Posts
i want discussion about starcraft, not second rate journalist drama :[ | ||
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mainerd
United States347 Posts
Why Alex thinks he deserves this deference from Slasher is beyond me. Is it because of the health and growth of eSports? eSports is not some fantasy market where the rules which govern every other market do not apply. Don't like early reporting, that's your problem, not Slasher's, instead of blowing it up in public how about dealing with it appropriately in private so you aren't likely to have your announcements spoiled? Show some class. | ||
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MrCash
United States1504 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:11 GreyKnight wrote: ITS NOT GOOD FOR ESPORTS. Yep, that's really the core of the argument. It's not good for teams. In Alex's eyes, teams take priority over everyone else in eSports. Which is the right way to do any job within a capitalist structure. His argument in essences says reporting is secondary and deserves less attention and money. Reporters are not supposed to be lackeys of organizations. There should be things they report or even the way they report them that teams won't like. Simply reporting known news isn't reporting. It's milking the story. Neither side is fully understanding or considering the position of the other. This situation is not black and white, but there is a limited amount of money in every system/basket. Multiple hands want to benefit from the same basket, people will get slapped. | ||
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Finrod1
Germany3997 Posts
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IRL_Sinister
Ireland621 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:16 MrCash wrote: It's not good for teams. In Alex's eyes, teams are the only thing that matter in eSports. His argument in essences says reporting is secondary and deserves less attention and money. Reporters are not supposed to be lackeys of organizations. There should be things they report or even the way they report them that teams won't like. Simply reporting known news isn't reporting. It's milking the story. Neither side is fully understanding or considering the position of the other. This situation is not black and white, but there is a limited amount of money in every system/basket. Multiple hands want to benefit from the same basket, people will get slapped. This needs to be emphasised. | ||
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dangerjoe
Denmark1866 Posts
On January 16 2013 10:52 Whitewing wrote: I would agree with this. Slasher's answer was "I didn't need it, only wanted the news", so it sounds like that's what happened to me. Journalists can get a lot of publicity by doing interviews, opinion pieces, and by doing actual work. Simply leaking news is the lowest thing a journalist can do. Yeah TB touched on this too. Slasher rejected an exclusive interview too leak the information early. Both are valid things to do, but I think people would be more interested in a long interview after EG-TL has revealed the news, instead of a short tweet breaking the news. But hey, I'm not a journalist or a teamowner. EDIT: And yeah, by doing that, Slasher pissed off an important relationship which could grant him more news/interviews and in the end more views. | ||
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dannystarcraft
United States179 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:14 TotalBiscuit wrote: Not really, I have a million combined subscribers, I crush Gamespots reach when it comes to this stuff, I couldn't care less. Most of the eyes I want to put on my content don't even know who Slasher is. The point I made however is valid, our reach is one of the few exceptions to the rule and quite frankly I discussed this in detail on the show and you seem to have cherrypicked from it. TB I thought everything you said was well spoken. I just see Slasher reporting the news early and hurting the teams which fund the esports industry. That needs to stop. We want esports to grow, not fail. | ||
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neurosx
Luxembourg1096 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:14 mainerd wrote: Slasher reports stuff early, what's the big deal, some people seem to want it. The teams don't have to like it, Slasher's trying to make a buck in the market just like the players, teams, their owners and the sponsors are. Why does he have to be publicly pilloried for it? You don't have to like the guy or what he does, but this kind of early reporting is pretty standard, not just in sports news but in technology news, politics, entertainment, etc. Alex should just stop giving info to Slasher if he has a problem with it. It seemed really selfish on Alex's part to turn this into something so dramatic, where he's somehow entitled to the views on a piece of information that's left his control. Why Alex thinks he deserves this deference from Slasher is beyond me. Is it because of the health and growth of eSports? eSports is not some fantasy market where the rules which govern every other market do not apply. Don't like early reporting, that's your problem, not Slasher's, instead of blowing it up in public how about dealing with it appropriately in private so you aren't likely to have your announcements spoiled? Show some class. The thing is with leaking the news early everyone is losing, like TB said, he/we could get some awesome _actual_ journalism and exclusive interviews but he'd rather just leak the news to get quick page views. I mean good for him that's how he gets most of his page views and money but overall we're all losing with this system. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:13 neurosx wrote: Basically every player signup for the last 6 months  Ok, sorry I worded it wrong. Which announcment pissed Alex off. | ||
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IRL_Sinister
Ireland621 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:18 Sandermatt wrote: Ok, sorry I worded it wrong. Which announcment pissed Alex off. ED.JD. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:17 dangerjoe wrote: Yeah TB touched on this too. Slasher rejected an exclusive interview too leak the information early. Both are valid things to do, but I think people would be more interested in a long interview after EG-TL has revealed the news, instead of a short tweet breaking the news. But hey, I'm not a journalist or a teamowner. EDIT: And yeah, by doing that, Slasher pissed off an important relationship which could grant him more news/interviews and in the end more views. It reminds me of the graduation speech our speaker (Ted Koppel, great speaker) gave for our commencement. http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/05/newsman_ted_koppel_calls_on_gr.html The main message he was giving was that we, as viewers and readers, should care far more about the substance of what is being said than simply wanting to hear the news fast. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
I dunno. It's clearly more complicated than that becuase if it was that simple, he wouldn't be able to leak these stories. | ||
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The Devastator
34 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:18 neurosx wrote: The thing is with leaking the news early everyone is losing, like TB said, he/we could get some awesome _actual_ journalism and exclusive interviews but he'd rather just leak the news to get quick page views. I mean good for him that's how he gets most of he pageviews but overall we're all losing with this system. Reporting something is journalism! Acting as a mouthpiece for a company and only doing what they want on the other hand is not journalism! | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:22 The Devastator wrote: Reporting something is journalism! Acting as a mouthpiece for a company and only doing what they on the other hand is not journalism! Tweeting one liners of upcoming news isn't journalism. Doing interviews, research, and opinion pieces is journalism. | ||
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Polygamy
Austria1114 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:14 TotalBiscuit wrote: Not really, I have a million combined subscribers, I crush Gamespots reach when it comes to this stuff, I couldn't care less. Most of the eyes I want to put on my content don't even know who Slasher is. The point I made however is valid, our reach is one of the few exceptions to the rule and quite frankly I discussed this in detail on the show and you seem to have cherrypicked from it. Alright but if for some reason he released information about Scarlet that would have at the very least been a let down. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:22 Goibon wrote: I still don't understand how he's getting this info in the first place. That's the crux of this for me and i can't get past that. If he finds something out he should report it. If you don't want him finding it out, don't fucking tell him. I dunno. It's clearly more complicated than that becuase if it was that simple, he wouldn't be able to leak these stories. He won't be getting them much longer if things continue as they are though. | ||
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