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quick clarification -- has slasher leaked information that he received improperly or was provided with an agreement that he wouldnt leak it before a certain date?
he is a journalist, its his job to leak information unless its somehow unethical for him to leak it. its the team's jobs to keep their information private if they want it private. dont give slasher your information if you dont want him to leak it, and certainly dont blame him for doing what journalists do--provide information to the community. however, if he is violating agreements or doing something unethical, fuck slasher.
the counter is that the teams can control the information--dont tell slasher, tell your players not to communicate with slasher. control your own people, dont try to control the media. its a give and take. if they dont want slasher to leak information, give him something better to prevent the leak.
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Guys let's all gang up on Slasher and insult him and call him stupid, then we can get TB to lecture him on content production!
What does this have to do with inside the game again..?
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 16 2013 10:56 Shinobi1982 wrote:Poll: Do you (eSports enthusiast), like that Slasher is leaking early news?No (72) 51% Yes (68) 49% 140 total votes Your vote: Do you (eSports enthusiast), like that Slasher is leaking early news? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Needs about 100 or more different options here.
Do you like him doing it legally with unnamed sources.
Doy you like him doing it legally with named sources.
Do you like him not leaking it.
Do you like him not leaking it so he can get an exclusive interview with the team/player
Do you like him doing it illegally by breaking an embargo or dma.
Etc, etc.
Journalism is not cut and dry. You have to pick your battles. Sometimes you play ball for a variety of reasons, sometimes you step on some toes to release it.
Slasher appears to have possibly stepped on too many toes, even if he is still doing journalism.
The main problem I've had with this is team owners continuing to say Slasher and journalists covering their company should do it this way and do it that way and it will "be better for everyone" andshouldbe their pr arm (I don't believe that at all but that's my opinion). That's way too broad for every situation containing news. Just like this debate there is no "he's right and he's wrong" here. Companies need to know what may happen when journalists get wind of news and journalists need to know the consequences of what they decide to do with their information, for better or worse.
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It's so common to brag about popularity success on SC Reddit and for those same people to demean that same community when SC Reddit is critical of them or their organizations.
I can't think of times when they are actually thankful and complimentary towards SC Reddit OUTSIDE of SC Reddit.
Not specifically pointing anyone out, just something TB said reminded me of it.
I actually found TB to be one of the most professional people in handling SC Reddit criticism, despite him being a very common person to be criticized and quite brutally.
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On January 16 2013 11:02 SiguR wrote:
Again: However, if Slasher isn't doing it, someone else will. Slasher is not the real enemy here, and that should be kept in mind.
It would be better if someone else was. Well, more like if a lot more people were. Instead of one person tweeting a huge leak, you might have 3 people trying to get viewers to read their article, so they put actual effort into it.
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On January 16 2013 10:56 Shinobi1982 wrote:Poll: Do you (eSports enthusiast), like that Slasher is leaking early news?No (72) 51% Yes (68) 49% 140 total votes Your vote: Do you (eSports enthusiast), like that Slasher is leaking early news? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
"Like" is a poor choice of words. I think if he gets the news then he's within his rights to report it, and I don't really care that he does.
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The dude wouldn't even take exclusive content, like what!?!??!
Why wouldn't a journalist take exclusive content?
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On January 16 2013 11:04 Glurkenspurk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 11:02 SiguR wrote:
When reading Harry Potter, having a note float down onto your book that says
"Snape kills Dumbledore"
~Slasher
Does not provide anything. The viewer is going to find out snape kills dumbledore as they finish the book. They will find out in the carefully crafted way the author intended it. Spoiling for the sake of spoiling isn't journalism and it ruins hype.
Again: However, if Slasher isn't doing it, someone else will. Slasher is not the real enemy here, and that should be kept in mind. There is a huge difference between a team signing a player and spoiling a book. Even you must know that's a completely stupid comparison.
I understand that it's different. My point that transitions over to the signing topic is that spoiling for the sake of spoiling isn't journalism. We are going to find out two days later that Snute was signed by team liquid. We are going to find out in a much more developed way by the people paying for the creation of the content. Journalists should be providing coverage that the audience isn't going to get from a press release.
I understand where you're coming from and kind of agree, but please humour me and explain why it's a stupid point. I recognize that the experience of reading a novel is very different from following a sport so my comparison is a little weak.
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On January 16 2013 11:07 dAPhREAk wrote:
quick clarification -- has slasher leaked information that he received improperly or was provided with an agreement that he wouldnt leak it before a certain date?
No.
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Why should it be up to totalbiscuit and alex how slasher conducts his job?
If there is a market for that kind of journalism, then that kind of journalism will exist.
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On January 16 2013 11:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 11:02 Brindled wrote:On January 16 2013 10:59 Whitewing wrote:
I think Alex went a little overboard making his point but it was well made. He kind of went off his rocker though and shouldn't have done that on a public forum. Boiling over like that in public by saying "I'm done with you, etc." was very unprofessional of him, yes. It wasn't the first time he did this. That's why I like EG players, but am not really willing to support EG the company. I believe the "I'm done with you" was meant in completely professional context. I.E., Alex Garfield will no longer conduct business with an individual who has continuously failed to even attempt any kind of contact. Or, more to the point, Slasher (and GameSpot) will be refused contact with anyone on EG.
The unprofessional part was him saying it to the public. You just don't do that in the professional world; outting someone like that in front of an audience. Something like that should be said in private.
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On January 16 2013 11:05 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 11:01 IRL_Sinister wrote:
The elephant in the room here:
Slasher is making money from this kind of content.
Slasher will be out of a job if he is no longer leaking this content.
Alex, while not done professionally, suggested that Slasher is soon going to be out of a job and content soon when the teams stop contacting him. not true at all. slashers continued point is that he is a legitimate journalist cuz he also does legitimate journalism. we're saying its bad for him to ALSO do the 'breaking news' stuff and that it may even be bad for him as it costs him his sources and credibility.
But it is not "legitimate" journalism when the team owners, as you know, do not want this content to be released.
TB pretty much proved what needs to be done, if at all -- blow the smoke into the fire. Or, just don't deal with him at all. TB just said "As a journalist, you are a tool for our message". You either take one viewpoint or another. I do not agree with Slashers but I do agree with TB's. However, for the greater good, I agree with Alex. However, I don't see why it can't be discussed as to why these "embargoes" can't be attempted to try and improve content exclusivity.
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On January 16 2013 11:10 Dotq wrote:
Why should it be up to totalbiscuit and alex how slasher conducts his job?
If there is a market for that kind of journalism, then that kind of journalism will exist.
ITS NOT GOOD FOR ESPORTS.
Yep, that's really the core of the argument.
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I tuned in late, what information did Slasher leak early?
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People are forgetting that this is an industry built on page views that isn't big enough to afford legal protection of information.
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TB says all this about using slasher as a tool right now but I feel as if something got leaked he didn't intend TB would be pissed.
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On January 16 2013 11:12 Sandermatt wrote:
I tuned in late, what information did Slasher leak early?
On January 16 2013 10:44 Xaeldaren wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 10:39 dAPhREAk wrote:
what announcement did slasher do that is such an issue? Stephano, Jaedong, Alicia/Heart, Snute.
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On January 16 2013 11:12 Sandermatt wrote:
I tuned in late, what information did Slasher leak early?
Basically every player signup for the last 6 months 
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@Total Biscuit You actually made the most boring conversation topic (in my view anyway) entertaining, quite amazing really since I nearly fell asleep while listening to Alex.
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Can we elect TotalBiscuit president of starcraft 2?
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