On January 16 2013 12:34 Canucklehead wrote: This is the world EG wants us to live in. They want to control the message and what reporters should write about.
On January 16 2013 12:31 ssg wrote: I can't even believe people are bashing slasher for breaking stories. My god.
You better start believing it. If it loses them money expect people to get mad. The teams just gotta keep the secret from being leaked... somehow. Its kinda sad when Slasher could not defend himself at all (crappy ass mic) and it sounded like Slasher was getting really emotional but when Alex was giving "constructive criticism" but it was really just a hard bash.
Kinda reminds me of paid game reviews. Jeff Gerstmann getting fired for giving bad reviews because the company wasn't happy with him. Slasher needs to start "aligning himself" to teams or else he's gonna get fired (or blocked out). Journalism just dies down i guess anything to make the higher ups happy. (in reality teams just gotta stfu about secrets)
On January 16 2013 12:34 Canucklehead wrote: This is the world EG wants us to live in. They want to control the message and what reporters should write about.
This is really a stupid comparison. If EG was doing something in secret that was controversial or had some effect on the scene then of course, report away. Leaking an announcement 2 days early does nothing of any value except to kill hype. Look I like Slasher but this idea that he's Edward R. Murrow is patently absurd, this is e-sports not politics.
This entire debacle has boggled my mind, it really has. I cannot fathom how people have come to the conclusion that taking sides in this matter will help the progression and ensure an effective outcome. I don't want to see how the consensus is directly influenced, and then built upon by simply shouting louder than the person on the opposite side of the table; without even the slightest attempt at understanding their perspective. Why is it that we must automatically assume that, as he is being asked by Alex, that the only outcome of that proposed relationship is a course for nothing but corporate shilling? Why does nobody seem to understand that give and take is one of the biggest influences on any media journalism, and as a result, creates nothing but higher quality collaborative content? Subsequently, Slasher has done nothing interesting enough to directly influence someone in my position to actually go out of my way to view his content as of late. In fact, I directly avoid the sort of short, and to be quite honest, trivialised content posted on twitter. As to me, that is nothing more than attention garnering through something equivalent to blogging/vlogging, and never appears to be of high enough quality to actually receive the respect of being called actual journalism.
Slasher has the right to release this content, but should be smart enough to realise that working with the subject of the news he is releasing would be a better way of obtaining more hits for larger projects. While the community needs to realise that comparing this industry to any pre-existing, and developed industry is a fallacy in itself. Nothing is established, nothing is set in stone, I can barely name enough "E-Sports Journalists" to list on ONE hand. And as a result we should be looking at ways to work around what is happening now, be it an agreement between team and journalist, be it a general understanding and a way to widen the range of potential viewers using other means, such as Gamespot or IGN.
Honestly, what would attract your attention more: a short simplified message on twitter, or a connecting tweet or splash page indicating where to get the 'best' written article, and explanation/interview on the matter linking directly to a piece of his work? I don't see that as being out of the realms of possibility, or forcing him to comply to their demands. That's my opinion on the matter, take it for what it is as I'm completely irrelevant on the grander scales of discussion anyway.
What EG suggests is that reporters should be nothing more than PR mouth pieces for teams and only to announce things after they announce it
I don't think it is quite that simple. That doesn't help anybody (not even EG)
What Slasher currently does is leak the news before it's out. I would almost argue that it is not very different then being a PR mouth piece. After all, he is just saying the same thing EG PR will say (Obviously, before vs after is a big difference that cannot be ignored) How is that bringing much value to the table? The news would still come out a couple of days later. That's why the idea of him respecting embargos and getting interviews/solid analysis/opinion pieces/comments out of it is so appealing.
It makes a world of difference on it coming out earlier. Why do you think there are so many rumours about trades/signings in sports? In canada, they do whole day specials on NHL trade deadline day to report on every trade rumour before it's officially announced. Why do they run those shows? Because a whole lot of people watch it because they want to know about those trades as soon as possible. People don't want to wait for teams to make the official trade announcements. If those shows had no value, then they wouldn't run them and they would just wait till every team announces their trade in a press release. Timing of the news is hugely important.
What EG suggests is that reporters should be nothing more than PR mouth pieces for teams and only to announce things after they announce it
I don't think it is quite that simple. That doesn't help anybody (not even EG)
What Slasher currently does is leak the news before it's out. I would almost argue that it is not very different then being a PR mouth piece. After all, he is just saying the same thing EG PR will say (Obviously, before vs after is a big difference that cannot be ignored) How is that bringing much value to the table? The news would still come out a couple of days later. That's why the idea of him respecting embargos and getting interviews/solid analysis/opinion pieces/comments out of it is so appealing.
It makes a world of difference on it coming out earlier. Why do you think there are so many rumours about trades/signings in sports? In canada, they do whole day specials on NHL trade deadline day to report on every trade rumour before it's officially announced. Why do they run those shows? Because a whole lot of people watch it because they want to know about those trades as soon as possible. People don't want to wait for teams to make the official trade announcements. If those shows had no value, then they wouldn't run them and they would just wait till every team announces their trade in a press release. Timing of the news is hugely important.
And they ACTUALLY put work into it. What leaked info has Slasher put more then a damn paragraph?
What EG suggests is that reporters should be nothing more than PR mouth pieces for teams and only to announce things after they announce it
I don't think it is quite that simple. That doesn't help anybody (not even EG)
What Slasher currently does is leak the news before it's out. I would almost argue that it is not very different then being a PR mouth piece. After all, he is just saying the same thing EG PR will say (Obviously, before vs after is a big difference that cannot be ignored) How is that bringing much value to the table? The news would still come out a couple of days later. That's why the idea of him respecting embargos and getting interviews/solid analysis/opinion pieces/comments out of it is so appealing.
It makes a world of difference on it coming out earlier. Why do you think there are so many rumours about trades/signings in sports? In canada, they do whole day specials on NHL trade deadline day to report on every trade rumour before it's officially announced. Why do they run those shows? Because a whole lot of people watch it because they want to know about those trades as soon as possible. People don't want to wait for teams to make the official trade announcements. If those shows had no value, then they wouldn't run them and they would just wait till every team announces their trade in a press release. Timing of the news is hugely important.
And they ACTUALLY put work into it. What leaked info has Slasher put more then a damn paragraph?
That's no different than how most trade reports in sports look like until they become official, then they add quotes from people to fill out the story more.
Also, here's a real life sports example on ESPN. Look how long that story is.
Former Yankees reliever Rafael Soriano and the Nationals have agreed to a $28 million, two-year deal with a third-year vesting option for $14 million, a baseball source told ESPN.com senior writer Jerry Crasnick on Tuesday.
The option reportedly rests on whether the right-hander finishes 120 games combined over 2013 and 2014.
Soriano, 33, filled in for injured closer Mariano Rivera last season, finishing with 42 saves and a 2.26 ERA in his 11th season.
Soriano has also pitched for the Mariners, Braves and Rays. He closed for Atlanta in 2009 and Tampa Bay in 2010, when he was an All-Star and named the AL's top reliever with the Rolaids Relief Award, finishing with 45 saves and a 1.73 ERA.
Soriano opted out of the last season of a three-year contract with the Yankees in October, taking a $1.5 million buyout. He would have been paid $14 million had he remained for the final season of the deal.
Soriano will join a Nationals bullpen that already includes Drew Storen and Tyler Clippard.
Washington will lose its first-round draft pick, and the Yankees will gain an extra pick after the first round.
What EG suggests is that reporters should be nothing more than PR mouth pieces for teams and only to announce things after they announce it
I don't think it is quite that simple. That doesn't help anybody (not even EG)
What Slasher currently does is leak the news before it's out. I would almost argue that it is not very different then being a PR mouth piece. After all, he is just saying the same thing EG PR will say (Obviously, before vs after is a big difference that cannot be ignored) How is that bringing much value to the table? The news would still come out a couple of days later. That's why the idea of him respecting embargos and getting interviews/solid analysis/opinion pieces/comments out of it is so appealing.
It makes a world of difference on it coming out earlier. Why do you think there are so many rumours about trades/signings in sports? In canada, they do whole day specials on NHL trade deadline day to report on every trade rumour before it's officially announced. Why do they run those shows? Because a whole lot of people watch it because they want to know about those trades as soon as possible. People don't want to wait for teams to make the official trade announcements. If those shows had no value, then they wouldn't run them and they would just wait till every team announces their trade in a press release. Timing of the news is hugely important.
And they ACTUALLY put work into it. What leaked info has Slasher put more then a damn paragraph?
Eklund is one of the most viewed Hockey "reporters" and all he simply does is make up daily bullshit rumors about popular players going to popular teams. Slasher will continue to get hits until one of two things happen:
A) The leaks get plugged up, his bridges are burnt, and he can't break any news before it happens. B) He is leaked bullshit, he writes about it, and everything blows up it in his face when it turns out false. His credibility is shot and his word doesn't mean as much.
Until that point, Slasher is just continuing to break stories that turn out to be truthful.
What EG suggests is that reporters should be nothing more than PR mouth pieces for teams and only to announce things after they announce it
I don't think it is quite that simple. That doesn't help anybody (not even EG)
What Slasher currently does is leak the news before it's out. I would almost argue that it is not very different then being a PR mouth piece. After all, he is just saying the same thing EG PR will say (Obviously, before vs after is a big difference that cannot be ignored) How is that bringing much value to the table? The news would still come out a couple of days later. That's why the idea of him respecting embargos and getting interviews/solid analysis/opinion pieces/comments out of it is so appealing.
It makes a world of difference on it coming out earlier. Why do you think there are so many rumours about trades/signings in sports? In canada, they do whole day specials on NHL trade deadline day to report on every trade rumour before it's officially announced. Why do they run those shows? Because a whole lot of people watch it because they want to know about those trades as soon as possible. People don't want to wait for teams to make the official trade announcements. If those shows had no value, then they wouldn't run them and they would just wait till every team announces their trade in a press release. Timing of the news is hugely important.
And they ACTUALLY put work into it. What leaked info has Slasher put more then a damn paragraph?
Eklund is one of the most viewed Hockey "reporters" and all he simply does is make up daily bullshit rumors about popular players going to popular teams. Slasher will continue to get hits until one of two things happen:
A) The leaks get plugged up, his bridges are burnt, and he can't break any news before it happens. B) He is leaked bullshit, he writes about it, and everything blows up it in his face when it turns out false. His credibility is shot and his word doesn't mean as much.
Until that point, Slasher is just continuing to break stories that turn out to be truthful.
That's an unfair comparison to slasher. What eklund does is report on every rumour he hears and he's not really respected that much by people. He sometimes gets things right and gets props for that, but in general he just reports on rumours that never come to fruition or are made up.
Slasher doesn't report on every rumour he hears. He reports on confirmed things and just breaks them earlier than teams like. What has slasher reported on that has been wrong? He is far from being an Eklund.
I was unable to catch the stream, but in regards to Slasher throwing out this or that eSports rumor, was the potential for EG signing the LoL team ex-CLG.EU addressed? Leaving that out would be a huge oversight, unless they don't wish to acknowledge the rumor, and thus, give it any basis.
On January 16 2013 13:00 _Skilgannon_ wrote: I was unable to catch the stream, but in regards to Slasher throwing out this or that eSports rumor, was the potential for EG signing the LoL team ex-CLG.EU addressed? Leaving that out would be a huge oversight, unless they don't wish to acknowledge the rumor, and thus, give it any basis.
Its not strictly relevant to SC2. One could even argue that LoL is doing well enough that the criticisms don't even apply there as they do for SC2.
What EG suggests is that reporters should be nothing more than PR mouth pieces for teams and only to announce things after they announce it
I don't think it is quite that simple. That doesn't help anybody (not even EG)
What Slasher currently does is leak the news before it's out. I would almost argue that it is not very different then being a PR mouth piece. After all, he is just saying the same thing EG PR will say (Obviously, before vs after is a big difference that cannot be ignored) How is that bringing much value to the table? The news would still come out a couple of days later. That's why the idea of him respecting embargos and getting interviews/solid analysis/opinion pieces/comments out of it is so appealing.
It makes a world of difference on it coming out earlier. Why do you think there are so many rumours about trades/signings in sports? In canada, they do whole day specials on NHL trade deadline day to report on every trade rumour before it's officially announced. Why do they run those shows? Because a whole lot of people watch it because they want to know about those trades as soon as possible. People don't want to wait for teams to make the official trade announcements. If those shows had no value, then they wouldn't run them and they would just wait till every team announces their trade in a press release. Timing of the news is hugely important.
And they ACTUALLY put work into it. What leaked info has Slasher put more then a damn paragraph?
Eklund is one of the most viewed Hockey "reporters" and all he simply does is make up daily bullshit rumors about popular players going to popular teams. Slasher will continue to get hits until one of two things happen:
A) The leaks get plugged up, his bridges are burnt, and he can't break any news before it happens. B) He is leaked bullshit, he writes about it, and everything blows up it in his face when it turns out false. His credibility is shot and his word doesn't mean as much.
Until that point, Slasher is just continuing to break stories that turn out to be truthful.
That's an unfair comparison to slasher. What eklund does is report on every rumour he hears and he's not really respected that much by people. He sometimes gets things right and gets props for that, but in general he just reports on rumours that never come to fruition or are made up.
Slasher doesn't report on every rumour he hears. He reports on confirmed things and just breaks them earlier than teams like. What has slasher reported on that has been wrong? He is far from being an Eklund.
Oh, I know, I'm just using Eklund as an example when people say that there aren't people in professional sports who do this kind of stuff. Slasher has been on point so far and until he has nothing else to break or comes up looking stupid with a false lead, then congrats to him.
What EG suggests is that reporters should be nothing more than PR mouth pieces for teams and only to announce things after they announce it
I don't think it is quite that simple. That doesn't help anybody (not even EG)
What Slasher currently does is leak the news before it's out. I would almost argue that it is not very different then being a PR mouth piece. After all, he is just saying the same thing EG PR will say (Obviously, before vs after is a big difference that cannot be ignored) How is that bringing much value to the table? The news would still come out a couple of days later. That's why the idea of him respecting embargos and getting interviews/solid analysis/opinion pieces/comments out of it is so appealing.
It makes a world of difference on it coming out earlier. Why do you think there are so many rumours about trades/signings in sports? In canada, they do whole day specials on NHL trade deadline day to report on every trade rumour before it's officially announced. Why do they run those shows? Because a whole lot of people watch it because they want to know about those trades as soon as possible. People don't want to wait for teams to make the official trade announcements. If those shows had no value, then they wouldn't run them and they would just wait till every team announces their trade in a press release. Timing of the news is hugely important.
And they ACTUALLY put work into it. What leaked info has Slasher put more then a damn paragraph?
Eklund is one of the most viewed Hockey "reporters" and all he simply does is make up daily bullshit rumors about popular players going to popular teams. Slasher will continue to get hits until one of two things happen:
A) The leaks get plugged up, his bridges are burnt, and he can't break any news before it happens. B) He is leaked bullshit, he writes about it, and everything blows up it in his face when it turns out false. His credibility is shot and his word doesn't mean as much.
Until that point, Slasher is just continuing to break stories that turn out to be truthful.
That's an unfair comparison to slasher. What eklund does is report on every rumour he hears and he's not really respected that much by people. He sometimes gets things right and gets props for that, but in general he just reports on rumours that never come to fruition or are made up.
Slasher doesn't report on every rumour he hears. He reports on confirmed things and just breaks them earlier than teams like. What has slasher reported on that has been wrong? He is far from being an Eklund.
If Slasher was doing the same thing he's doing for SC2 but for the NHL he would be respected by the fans and a majority of the community.
Eklund is despised because he spits out nonsensical trade rumours and realistically has no concrete sources.
After reading and rewatching parts of the episode, I side with Slasher.. I don't think he really knows how to defend his position, but his position is valuable and necessary as the scene grows.
I think EG need to learn to control their info better and should also look to TB as an example of how to deal with outside reporters/journalists.
He should not be a pawn of any one team.
Checks and Balances
Also, to TB's point that Slasher's reporting could harm lesser teams, I would add that early 'leaking' of info could also help said teams who don't know how to fully market themselves.. there are many ways to increase viewership and hype.. not just through one sided, biased, flashy press releases..
The uproar over this is kind of mind boggling to me. There's like 6 front page threads on SCReddit and this thread is going nuts.
Slasher is doing what reporters in any professional sport do. There's a reason why the last few days basketball fans have heard "The Kings are going to Seattle, no wait, they're staying in Sac, no they're actually going to Seattle, well I guess there's a bidding war..."
This is how media works. It's why in baseball we hear about "anonymous sources saying X-Player is unhappy". It's why we hear rumors that "X-Company is coming out with a new product". Smart companies/teams have learned to plug leaks, feed information properly, or deny access to the media. The smartest companies give out information (allow reporters to break the stories) in exchange for later favors (like the way most of the DC press hasn't really bothered to look into how hurt their star quarterback is).
Alex and other team owners can whine all they want, but even if they eliminate Slasher this is the nature of the beast that is sports media - someone else is going to come along working for an unaffiliated company and leak news.
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