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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:18 JazzJackrabbit wrote: I'm sorry, but Alex came across as a complete asshole. He could have easily articulated his point without acting like such a dick. If someone was actively hurting your business for no reason other than attention you'd be pissed too. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:28 fuzzylogic44 wrote: If someone was actively hurting your business for no reason other than attention you'd be pissed too. no reason other than attention? seriously? lol. | ||
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:20 Swords wrote: The uproar over this is kind of mind boggling to me. There's like 6 front page threads on SCReddit and this thread is going nuts. Slasher is doing what reporters in any professional sport do. There's a reason why the last few days basketball fans have heard "The Kings are going to Seattle, no wait, they're staying in Sac, no they're actually going to Seattle, well I guess there's a bidding war..." This is how media works. It's why in baseball we hear about "anonymous sources saying X-Player is unhappy". It's why we hear rumors that "X-Company is coming out with a new product". Smart companies/teams have learned to plug leaks, feed information properly, or deny access to the media. The smartest companies give out information (allow reporters to break the stories) in exchange for later favors (like the way most of the DC press hasn't really bothered to look into how hurt their star quarterback is). Alex and other team owners can whine all they want, but even if they eliminate Slasher this is the nature of the beast that is sports media - someone else is going to come along working for an unaffiliated company and leak news. e-sports is not sports, as has been pointed out. It works differently. Slasher or others may do this, but by doing so are hurting the scene and themselves in the process. So if they want to do it we can't stop them, but we can try to make them not want to do it by making them understand it does nobody any good. | ||
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HotGore
Canada26 Posts
From ITG it sounds like Slasher was caught off guard at the hostility and couldn't come up with a strong argument, but not everyone think well on their feet. Alex sounds out of touch with how information leaks and whose responsibility it is to control information. It is not Slasher's fault he got the information and reported it first, which is in the best interest of his employer. Alex may think having some hyped up trade, splash page and video helps esports, but it really doesn't. Most people read the headline, then go elsewhere. Only a small percentage of people will go through all this content to find as much about the news as possible. To be honest Alex doesn't sound like he has an idea as how modern journalism works. Everything matters about being first, and the only thing to trade for keeping things quiet is access and further exclusives. EG needs to learn to work the media for it's benefit like most modern companies do. Heck Intel and nvidia send out chips long before release and is able to contain benchmarks results before launch day by doing exactly that. At the end of the day you can't keep everything secret, someone will leak it. Overall, I think Alex's little rant in public was embarrassing for EG. I am sure he feels good about it now, but in the morning he will regret it. | ||
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:30 dAPhREAk wrote: no reason other than attention? seriously? lol. Is that even disputable? I like Slasher. But that's what he's doing when he leaks these things on twitter. It doesn;t serve any purpose other than to say "hey look at me I know things before they are official" and bring views to Gamespot which they would get anyway if he cooperated with the teams | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:32 fuzzylogic44 wrote: Is that even disputable? I like Slasher. But that's what he's doing when he leaks these things on twitter. It doesn;t serve any purpose other than to say "hey look at me I know things before they are official" and bring views to Gamespot which they would get anyway if he cooperated with the teams he's a reporter. what exactly do you think they do? | ||
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:30 HotGore wrote: Alex sounds out of touch with how information leaks and whose responsibility it is to control information. It is not Slasher's fault he got the information and reported it first, which is in the best interest of his employer. No one is saying Slasher doesn't have every right to do it, it's that he shouldn't for the sake of everyone including himself ultimately. And as to Alex and information, see his twitter: re: "if you don't want your news leaked, control your information better" - there are people outside of your company who'll find out. for example: you sign a free agent with multiple teams bidding on him. or you sign a new player away from a different team. the others know. it's not possible to "control the information" or prevent a leak with player transactions, because they by definition involve third-parties. | ||
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:33 dAPhREAk wrote: he's a reporter. what exactly do you think they do? They do whatever is in their best interest. They don't bite the hand that feeds them. If they want to be successful, anyway. And yes, when it comes to the major news media and reporting on the government, banks, etc., this is a downfall because the investigative side tends to be brushed aside since it results in loss of access. That is a problem when trying to keep the government in check. It is not a problem when we're talking about an e-sports organization announcing a player signing. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:36 fuzzylogic44 wrote: They do whatever is in their best interest. They don't bite the hand that feeds them. If they want to be successful, anyway. so, was he doing it because its his job, or because he wanted attention? | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:36 fuzzylogic44 wrote: They do whatever is in their best interest. They don't bite the hand that feeds them. If they want to be successful, anyway. So you want slasher to be an EG puppet and only announce things when they give him the go ahead? How is that different from just being an EG employee then? | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:36 fuzzylogic44 wrote: They do whatever is in their best interest. They don't bite the hand that feeds them. If they want to be successful, anyway. And yes, when it comes to the major news media and reporting on the government, banks, etc., this is a downfall because the investigative side tends to be brushed aside since it results in loss of access. That is a problem when trying to keep the government in check. It is not a problem when we're talking about an e-sports organization announcing a player signing. As many of my journalism professors have said, "if you're not getting sued, you're not a good journalist" | ||
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:37 dAPhREAk wrote: so, was he doing it because its his job, or because he wanted attention? It's his job to get attention. It's also his job to report on the SC2 scene, and therefore the better the SC2 scene does, the better his job is. | ||
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:39 jmbthirteen wrote: As many of my journalism professors have said, "if you're not getting sued, you're not a good journalist" So do you think that e-sports journalists should leak as much info as they possibly can, even if it results in the downfall of e-sports, thus eliminating their job? Is that a legitimate goal? Not saying that's happening or will happen, but that is the logical conclusion of this way of thinking. | ||
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OblivionMage
Canada377 Posts
On January 16 2013 12:12 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'd have to agree, Destiny is making a populist strawman statement, he does this quite a bit, good tactic but ultimately not so useful to the discussion. I'd dislike him if he also wasn't capable of putting together very salient points. Destiny is saying on Reddit that Slasher and other Journalists in esports shouldn't be strong-armed into being publicists for marketing organizations. They're Journalists, not publicists. See any of these recent posts for proof: http://www.reddit.com/user/NeoDestiny But it doesn't matter -- TotalBiscuit won't be listening. He's spouting his populist non-sense again. He does it a lot, and it's a good tactic, but it's ultimately useless. I'd dislike him if he wasn't popular. | ||
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:38 Canucklehead wrote: So you want slasher to be an EG puppet and only announce things when they give him the go ahead? How is that different from just being an EG employee then? It's called cooperating for the best interests of all parties. | ||
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Wampaibist
United States478 Posts
also I love TB | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:38 Canucklehead wrote: So you want slasher to be an EG puppet and only announce things when they give him the go ahead? How is that different from just being an EG employee then? It can be a mutually beneficial relationship. EG can give slasher inside scoops on other stories, and exclusive interviews and whatnot on their own dealings. It doesn't have to be Slasher vs EG in who gets to report the story first. It's good business, not Slasher being some lapdog of EG. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:39 fuzzylogic44 wrote: It's his job to get attention. It's also his job to report on the SC2 scene, and therefore the better the SC2 scene does, the better his job is. oic, so by "attention" you meant he wanted people to view news pieces he wrote. gotcha. and when you said "no reason other than attention," you meant slasher was doing his job as a reporter. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:41 fuzzylogic44 wrote: It's called cooperating for the best interests of all parties. Ah so you call biased reporting co-operating. Gotcha. Glad the rest of the world doesn't think like you. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:41 fuzzylogic44 wrote: It's called cooperating for the best interests of all parties. Not going to happen, and doesn't happen in the real world. | ||
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