On January 16 2013 13:18 JazzJackrabbit wrote: I'm sorry, but Alex came across as a complete asshole. He could have easily articulated his point without acting like such a dick.
If someone was actively hurting your business for no reason other than attention you'd be pissed too.
no reason other than attention? seriously? lol.
Is that even disputable? I like Slasher. But that's what he's doing when he leaks these things on twitter. It doesn;t serve any purpose other than to say "hey look at me I know things before they are official" and bring views to Gamespot which they would get anyway if he cooperated with the teams
he's a reporter. what exactly do you think they do?
You can't blame either side. Slasher leaks stuff and Alex Garfield has to deal with the aftermath of him leaking stuff. Alex has the right to be pissed and Slasher doesn't have to listen. Neither side is right and shouldn't pretend the other side is at fault.
But Slasher can't be pissed if he is not given access or is shut of out some important story or members of a team stop talking to him because he likes to leak stuff. You can only burn bridges so often.
If Slasher relies on breaking stories early, then what is going to happen once people stop giving him information? It's undeniable at this point that Slasher is pissing people off with what he's doing. It's only a matter of time before he has few or no sources left. Then what? This road he's traveling down is self-defeating.
I don't think so, Gamespot is a big enough venue that teams will still give slasher content because they need each other. It benefits both sides. If you really want to lock slasher out of info it is because you either should be holding that info back or you are fine with having your team not represented on a major gaming media outlet. Teams best interest will always be for exposure because their primary purpose is marketing for their sponsors.
On January 16 2013 13:18 JazzJackrabbit wrote: I'm sorry, but Alex came across as a complete asshole. He could have easily articulated his point without acting like such a dick.
If someone was actively hurting your business for no reason other than attention you'd be pissed too.
no reason other than attention? seriously? lol.
Is that even disputable? I like Slasher. But that's what he's doing when he leaks these things on twitter. It doesn;t serve any purpose other than to say "hey look at me I know things before they are official" and bring views to Gamespot which they would get anyway if he cooperated with the teams
he's a reporter. what exactly do you think they do?
You can't blame either said. Slasher leaks stuff and Alex Garfield has to deal with the aftermath of him leaking stuff. Alex has the right to be pissed and Slasher doesn't have to listen.
But Slasher can't be pissed if he is not given access or is shut of out some important story or members of a team stop talking to him because he likes to leak stuff. You can only burn bridges so often.
agreed
You're agreeing with me too then because that is my position
On January 16 2013 12:12 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'd have to agree, Destiny is making a populist strawman statement, he does this quite a bit, good tactic but ultimately not so useful to the discussion. I'd dislike him if he also wasn't capable of putting together very salient points.
Destiny is saying on Reddit that Slasher and other Journalists in esports shouldn't be strong-armed into being publicists for marketing organizations. They're Journalists, not publicists.
But it doesn't matter -- TotalBiscuit won't be listening. He's spouting his populist non-sense again. He does it a lot, and it's a good tactic, but it's ultimately useless. I'd dislike him if he wasn't popular.
There's no hyphen in nonsense.
If you're going to hijack my quote in an attempt to be funny at least have the decency not to butcher your punctuation.
I have a question regarding youtube that you talk about a lot. You talk about your subscriber base having a 750k-1m reach, but you must know that a lot of people subscribe to youtubes, stop watching and never bother to unsub. Your vids still get a lot of views, but do not get 700k-1m views.
How would you answer a potential sponsor to what your current reach is? I've seen some youtubes with 650k subs, but they only get 10-15k views on vids today because a lot of those subs are just built up from being on youtube for years. A ton of people no longer watch that person. If that person went to a sponsor saying he had a 600k people reach, would the sponsor believe him or look at his current views and laugh at that notion?
Over the span of 5 days well over 1 million people have watched videos he has made.
Yeah, but that right there is fudging the numbers. That's not 1 million unique people watching. That's just 1 million total views with a ton of repeat viewers.
On January 16 2013 14:01 fuzzylogic44 wrote: What's biased about not spoiling an announcement, adding no information whatsoever? If they were hiding something, yeah sure then report it. No one is hiding anything.
Yup, this is what most people do not understand about the way the industry works. They assume the press is an independent bastion which never has any contact with the people its reporting on. This is utterly false, particularly in specialist reporting such as eSports. Gaming is very similar. Companies send me copies of games to critique, I even consult with some companies about how best to improve their titles. Games journalism is perhaps a bad example because there have been plenty of allegations of corruption but in reality there has to be some degree of quid pro quo in smaller, specialist industries to ensure the health of that industry. There is as you said, no bias involved in holding off an announcement and the entire "journalists are supposed to hold organizations to account!" thing is little more than pandering fluff. People love to hear that shit, sticking it to the man, the big company (even though there aren't really any big companies to stick it to in SC2, EG is not AIG), gives em a little kick, it's exciting. Posting an announcement early however, is not holding anyone to account. This is information on a time-delay, not information that will remain hidden forever.
Yeah, but that right there is fudging the numbers. That's not 1 million unique people watching. That's just 1 million total views with a ton of repeat viewers.
Please do me a favour and respond to my posts rather than random folks please on this matter since I gave you a clear answer to this.
On January 16 2013 13:18 JazzJackrabbit wrote: I'm sorry, but Alex came across as a complete asshole. He could have easily articulated his point without acting like such a dick.
If someone was actively hurting your business for no reason other than attention you'd be pissed too.
no reason other than attention? seriously? lol.
Is that even disputable? I like Slasher. But that's what he's doing when he leaks these things on twitter. It doesn;t serve any purpose other than to say "hey look at me I know things before they are official" and bring views to Gamespot which they would get anyway if he cooperated with the teams
he's a reporter. what exactly do you think they do?
You can't blame either side. Slasher leaks stuff and Alex Garfield has to deal with the aftermath of him leaking stuff. Alex has the right to be pissed and Slasher doesn't have to listen. Neither side is right and shouldn't pretend the other side is at fault.
But Slasher can't be pissed if he is not given access or is shut of out some important story or members of a team stop talking to him because he likes to leak stuff. You can only burn bridges so often.
No bridges to burn, keep your sources protected and he'll be fine. Also if people like the information it gives teams and players publicity.
Depends. If I ran a team or event, I would tell everyone who worked for me not to talk to him about anything and not to tell anyone who talks to him about anything. I don't think Slasher is bad, but I don't blame Alex for being pissed at him.
The only problem I have with Alex is that he never should have confronted Slasher on a public stream. The attorneys I work for don't yell at opposing counsel in open court, they save that for behind closed doors or over the phone. Or over a beer in a loud bar, where all the best lawsuits are settled.
On January 16 2013 13:18 JazzJackrabbit wrote: I'm sorry, but Alex came across as a complete asshole. He could have easily articulated his point without acting like such a dick.
If someone was actively hurting your business for no reason other than attention you'd be pissed too.
no reason other than attention? seriously? lol.
Is that even disputable? I like Slasher. But that's what he's doing when he leaks these things on twitter. It doesn;t serve any purpose other than to say "hey look at me I know things before they are official" and bring views to Gamespot which they would get anyway if he cooperated with the teams
he's a reporter. what exactly do you think they do?
You can't blame either side. Slasher leaks stuff and Alex Garfield has to deal with the aftermath of him leaking stuff. Alex has the right to be pissed and Slasher doesn't have to listen. Neither side is right and shouldn't pretend the other side is at fault.
But Slasher can't be pissed if he is not given access or is shut of out some important story or members of a team stop talking to him because he likes to leak stuff. You can only burn bridges so often.
If Slasher relies on breaking stories early, then what is going to happen once people stop giving him information? It's undeniable at this point that Slasher is pissing people off with what he's doing. It's only a matter of time before he has few or no sources left. Then what? This road he's traveling down is self-defeating.
I don't think so, Gamespot is a big enough venue that teams will still give slasher content because they need each other. It benefits both sides. If you really want to lock slasher out of info it is because you either should be holding that info back or you are fine with having your team not represented on a major gaming media outlet. Teams best interest will always be for exposure because their primary purpose is marketing for their sponsors.
Read about Alex's tweet a page or two back, you can't hide info from everybody, unless there is a common consensus that sharing info with someone would be bad, which is what alex was talking about doing to slasher on the show. Gamespot exposure is nice, no one is going to complain about having an article about their team on there, but they absolutely do not want slasher putting it on there before the team themselves make the announcement. They would prefer to make the announcement themselves and have it NOT be on Gamestop.
On January 16 2013 14:01 fuzzylogic44 wrote: What's biased about not spoiling an announcement, adding no information whatsoever? If they were hiding something, yeah sure then report it. No one is hiding anything.
Yup, this is what most people do not understand about the way the industry works. They assume the press is an independent bastion which never has any contact with the people its reporting on. This is utterly false, particularly in specialist reporting such as eSports. Gaming is very similar. Companies send me copies of games to critique, I even consult with some companies about how best to improve their titles. Games journalism is perhaps a bad example because there have been plenty of allegations of corruption but in reality there has to be some degree of quid pro quo in smaller, specialist industries to ensure the health of that industry. There is as you said, no bias involved in holding off an announcement and the entire "journalists are supposed to hold organizations to account!" thing is little more than pandering fluff. People love to hear that shit, sticking it to the man, the big company (even though there aren't really any big companies to stick it to in SC2, EG is not AIG), gives em a little kick, it's exciting. Posting an announcement early however, is not holding anyone to account. This is information on a time-delay, not information that will remain hidden forever.
On January 16 2013 14:01 fuzzylogic44 wrote: What's biased about not spoiling an announcement, adding no information whatsoever? If they were hiding something, yeah sure then report it. No one is hiding anything.
Yup, this is what most people do not understand about the way the industry works. They assume the press is an independent bastion which never has any contact with the people its reporting on. This is utterly false, particularly in specialist reporting such as eSports. Gaming is very similar. Companies send me copies of games to critique, I even consult with some companies about how best to improve their titles. Games journalism is perhaps a bad example because there have been plenty of allegations of corruption but in reality there has to be some degree of quid pro quo in smaller, specialist industries to ensure the health of that industry. There is as you said, no bias involved in holding off an announcement and the entire "journalists are supposed to hold organizations to account!" thing is little more than pandering fluff. People love to hear that shit, sticking it to the man, the big company (even though there aren't really any big companies to stick it to in SC2, EG is not AIG), gives em a little kick, it's exciting. Posting an announcement early however, is not holding anyone to account. This is information on a time-delay, not information that will remain hidden forever.
Yeah, but that right there is fudging the numbers. That's not 1 million unique people watching. That's just 1 million total views with a ton of repeat viewers.
Please do me a favour and respond to my posts rather than random folks please on this matter since I gave you a clear answer to this.
Well to be fair your answer wasn't in your post yet when I first read it and I had already moved on to the next page while I was writing my response to that post.
On January 16 2013 14:10 Canucklehead wrote: Well to be fair your answer wasn't in your post yet when I first read it and I had already moved on to the next page while I was writing my response to that post.
GOTTA KEEP UP WITH THE BREAKNECK SPEED OF ESPORTS MEDIA MAAAAAN
On January 16 2013 12:12 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'd have to agree, Destiny is making a populist strawman statement, he does this quite a bit, good tactic but ultimately not so useful to the discussion. I'd dislike him if he also wasn't capable of putting together very salient points.
Destiny is saying on Reddit that Slasher and other Journalists in esports shouldn't be strong-armed into being publicists for marketing organizations. They're Journalists, not publicists.
But it doesn't matter -- TotalBiscuit won't be listening. He's spouting his populist non-sense again. He does it a lot, and it's a good tactic, but it's ultimately useless. I'd dislike him if he wasn't popular.
There's no hyphen in nonsense.
If you're going to hijack my quote in an attempt to be funny at least have the decency not to butcher your punctuation.
I have a question regarding youtube that you talk about a lot. You talk about your subscriber base having a 750k-1m reach, but you must know that a lot of people subscribe to youtubes, stop watching and never bother to unsub. Your vids still get a lot of views, but do not get 700k-1m views.
How would you answer a potential sponsor to what your current reach is? I've seen some youtubes with 650k subs, but they only get 10-15k views on vids today because a lot of those subs are just built up from being on youtube for years. A ton of people no longer watch that person. If that person went to a sponsor saying he had a 600k people reach, would the sponsor believe him or look at his current views and laugh at that notion?
Over the span of 5 days well over 1 million people have watched videos he has made.
Yeah, but that right there is fudging the numbers. That's not 1 million unique people watching. That's just 1 million total views with a ton of repeat viewers.
I am just pointing out that it is a lot of people and I am sure TB knows his numbers. But his response is far better than mine and clears up the matter that he has the data to back it up, but that is apparently very valuable information.
On January 16 2013 13:18 JazzJackrabbit wrote: I'm sorry, but Alex came across as a complete asshole. He could have easily articulated his point without acting like such a dick.
If someone was actively hurting your business for no reason other than attention you'd be pissed too.
no reason other than attention? seriously? lol.
Is that even disputable? I like Slasher. But that's what he's doing when he leaks these things on twitter. It doesn;t serve any purpose other than to say "hey look at me I know things before they are official" and bring views to Gamespot which they would get anyway if he cooperated with the teams
he's a reporter. what exactly do you think they do?
They do whatever is in their best interest. They don't bite the hand that feeds them. If they want to be successful, anyway.
So you want slasher to be an EG puppet and only announce things when they give him the go ahead? How is that different from just being an EG employee then?
It's called cooperating for the best interests of all parties.
Ah so you call biased reporting co-operating. Gotcha. Glad the rest of the world doesn't think like you.
I fail to see any wording of "Snutes signs with Team Liquid" that could be biased in any way. There is absolutely no manner of spin doctoring that can change the meaning of that, unless you outright lie.
On January 16 2013 14:11 Plansix wrote: I am just pointing out that it is a lot of people and I am sure TB knows his numbers. But his response is far better than mine and clears up the matter that he has the data to back it up, but that is apparently very valuable information.
Well it's not THAT value, it's hardly super-secret, I just don't really want to throw my sponsorship deck and detailed analytics out for the internet to see right now. It's of no benefit to me or my company.
On January 16 2013 14:11 Plansix wrote: I am just pointing out that it is a lot of people and I am sure TB knows his numbers. But his response is far better than mine and clears up the matter that he has the data to back it up, but that is apparently very valuable information.
Well it's not THAT value, it's hardly super-secret, I just don't really want to throw my sponsorship deck and detailed analytics out for the internet to see right now. It's of no benefit to me or my company.
Clearly its of some value. Also, every time a hear the phrase "sponsorship deck", I think of the most bad ass set of Magic cards every, that would allow you to summon a whole Pro-gaming team.
So we are going to have a nice show next week, right? Right....?
On January 16 2013 12:12 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'd have to agree, Destiny is making a populist strawman statement, he does this quite a bit, good tactic but ultimately not so useful to the discussion. I'd dislike him if he also wasn't capable of putting together very salient points.
Destiny is saying on Reddit that Slasher and other Journalists in esports shouldn't be strong-armed into being publicists for marketing organizations. They're Journalists, not publicists.
But it doesn't matter -- TotalBiscuit won't be listening. He's spouting his populist non-sense again. He does it a lot, and it's a good tactic, but it's ultimately useless. I'd dislike him if he wasn't popular.
There's no hyphen in nonsense.
If you're going to hijack my quote in an attempt to be funny at least have the decency not to butcher your punctuation.
I have a question regarding youtube that you talk about a lot. You talk about your subscriber base having a 750k-1m reach, but you must know that a lot of people subscribe to youtubes, stop watching and never bother to unsub. Your vids still get a lot of views, but do not get 700k-1m views.
How would you answer a potential sponsor to what your current reach is? I've seen some youtubes with 650k subs, but they only get 10-15k views on vids today because a lot of those subs are just built up from being on youtube for years. A ton of people no longer watch that person. If that person went to a sponsor saying he had a 600k people reach, would the sponsor believe him or look at his current views and laugh at that notion?
Over the span of 5 days well over 1 million people have watched videos he has made.
Yeah, but that right there is fudging the numbers. That's not 1 million unique people watching. That's just 1 million total views with a ton of repeat viewers.
there's tons of information that youtube analytics gives you if you know how to use it, so just going by the public views isn't entirely accurate to what TB is actually telling sponsors/quoting from
On January 16 2013 14:11 Plansix wrote: I am just pointing out that it is a lot of people and I am sure TB knows his numbers. But his response is far better than mine and clears up the matter that he has the data to back it up, but that is apparently very valuable information.
Well it's not THAT value, it's hardly super-secret, I just don't really want to throw my sponsorship deck and detailed analytics out for the internet to see right now. It's of no benefit to me or my company.
Clearly its of some value. Also, every time a hear the phrase "sponsorship deck", I think of the most bad ass set of Magic cards every, that would allow you to summon a whole Pro-gaming team.
So we are going to have a nice show next week, right? Right....?
Just now getting to the TB part in the show, but wanted to say that alex really disappointed me with how he handled the discussion between him and slasher. Arguments aside, I really feel like he handled the discussion poorly and wish he had just let incontrol do the talking.
Let me start off by saying I like slasher on live on 3 but I don't follow him on twitter or gamespot or anywhere besides that. I watched his show on MLG a while back, and that's it.
I think this is being blown way out of proportion and certain people who are upset about it (e.g. alex garfield, wow look at that pun) are out of touch with the community. It's the signings themselves that are significant or not, the videos and whatnot are just bonuses but ultimately it doesn't matter when they come if they're good.
Let me briefly describe my own feelings during some of the discussed spoiled announcements from inside the game.
- I wasn't spoiled by slasher on the snute thing. I saw it the first time on TL. I thought "neat!" and then that was it. Why? Because TL`snute isn't a huge deal to me. I don't think it's that huge a deal to many people, and that's why there's not a ton of hype behind it. I watched him win homestory cup, great job snute, keep it up, I want to see him succeed more, but I really am not hyped about the TL signing, and the first time I heard about it was on the front page of TL.
- I wasn't spoiled by slasher on jaedong. I saw it first on TL. I thought "OMG WTF!!" and did not even see the video. Had I noticed there was a video, I'd have watched it. Regardless, just this knowledge of jaedong joining EG hyped me the fuck up and is what made me want to even watch proleague. It didn't matter where it came from, obviously, because I heard about it in some TL thread and didn't even see the video.
- I heard about stephano joining EG long before it happened. I think I did hear about this from slasher, because they (he and scoots) argued about it on live on 3. This had me so psyched for weeks. I hadn't put a team logo tag on my account on TL yet and thought to myself "if that happens, maybe I'll make my team EG." Then the video game out, it was amazing, and got me rehyped all over again. I honestly, honestly feel that the long drawn out hype here helped make it a bigger deal to me than it really was.
- For thorzain, I heard about it on TL, saw the video, it was great, I think he had just won dreamhack or something and TSL before that. Awesome, thorzain on EG, great, doesn't matter who it came from, I'd have been hyped regardless. I did not see any interview slasher did with him, nor would I have wanted to.
Now, on the topic of "where esports money comes from" - it comes from the community. Without the community, you don't get sponsors. If some announcement is SO BORING that slasher can spoil it on twitter and no one gives a shit, that is not an exciting announcement. I don't care how many videos you make of it, I will not be excited at an eg.desrow announcement. On the flip side, I'd be WTF psyched about an eg.kiwikaki comeback announcement if you made just a single TL post that said "Hey guys, we signed kiwikaki, bye".
Keep up the good work slasher. It's not your fault when no one gives a shit about reality, it's just boring reality in that case.
I just wanted to pop in and give Slasher some mad props.
While i do feel like for the most part the itg cast + Alex and TB were fairly respectful to Slasher and I do feel like it was a good discussion and was one that needed to be had I totally gained a ton of respect for Slasher. The hosts were essentially taking Slasher's work and telling him exactly where and how he could do better live in front of thousands of viewers pretty much on the spot. While i do agree for the most part with the suggestions they gave for Slasher I feel like its really easy to take someones job and find ways in which they could be doing a better job. I personally feel Slasher has been doing nothing bad but it can be improved and I really hope he makes some changes to the what he writes!
So yeah just mad props for Slasher and i hope that he really reflects on what they were saying and trying to find a compromise with them because its for the best if the teams find a way to work with Slasher and other journalists.
On January 16 2013 12:12 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'd have to agree, Destiny is making a populist strawman statement, he does this quite a bit, good tactic but ultimately not so useful to the discussion. I'd dislike him if he also wasn't capable of putting together very salient points.
Destiny is saying on Reddit that Slasher and other Journalists in esports shouldn't be strong-armed into being publicists for marketing organizations. They're Journalists, not publicists.
But it doesn't matter -- TotalBiscuit won't be listening. He's spouting his populist non-sense again. He does it a lot, and it's a good tactic, but it's ultimately useless. I'd dislike him if he wasn't popular.
There's no hyphen in nonsense.
If you're going to hijack my quote in an attempt to be funny at least have the decency not to butcher your punctuation.
I have a question regarding youtube that you talk about a lot. You talk about your subscriber base having a 750k-1m reach, but you must know that a lot of people subscribe to youtubes, stop watching and never bother to unsub. Your vids still get a lot of views, but do not get 700k-1m views.
How would you answer a potential sponsor to what your current reach is? I've seen some youtubes with 650k subs, but they only get 10-15k views on vids today because a lot of those subs are just built up from being on youtube for years. A ton of people no longer watch that person. If that person went to a sponsor saying he had a 600k people reach, would the sponsor believe him or look at his current views and laugh at that notion?
Over the span of 5 days well over 1 million people have watched videos he has made.
Yeah, but that right there is fudging the numbers. That's not 1 million unique people watching. That's just 1 million total views with a ton of repeat viewers.
there's tons of information that youtube analytics gives you if you know how to use it, so just going by the public views isn't entirely accurate to what TB is actually telling sponsors/quoting from
On January 16 2013 14:11 Plansix wrote: I am just pointing out that it is a lot of people and I am sure TB knows his numbers. But his response is far better than mine and clears up the matter that he has the data to back it up, but that is apparently very valuable information.
Well it's not THAT value, it's hardly super-secret, I just don't really want to throw my sponsorship deck and detailed analytics out for the internet to see right now. It's of no benefit to me or my company.
Clearly its of some value. Also, every time a hear the phrase "sponsorship deck", I think of the most bad ass set of Magic cards every, that would allow you to summon a whole Pro-gaming team.
So we are going to have a nice show next week, right? Right....?
You dare link me to "The Executives", the show I listen to every fucking week it is out. I am post number 13 if you need to check to make sure. I know what a sponsorship deck is, you god damn know it all. I was making a nerdy joke about awesome about build decks of Esports teams and sponsors, which clearly flew right over your head. But well done, you show me how much more you know than me.
On January 16 2013 12:12 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'd have to agree, Destiny is making a populist strawman statement, he does this quite a bit, good tactic but ultimately not so useful to the discussion. I'd dislike him if he also wasn't capable of putting together very salient points.
Destiny is saying on Reddit that Slasher and other Journalists in esports shouldn't be strong-armed into being publicists for marketing organizations. They're Journalists, not publicists.
But it doesn't matter -- TotalBiscuit won't be listening. He's spouting his populist non-sense again. He does it a lot, and it's a good tactic, but it's ultimately useless. I'd dislike him if he wasn't popular.
There's no hyphen in nonsense.
If you're going to hijack my quote in an attempt to be funny at least have the decency not to butcher your punctuation.
I have a question regarding youtube that you talk about a lot. You talk about your subscriber base having a 750k-1m reach, but you must know that a lot of people subscribe to youtubes, stop watching and never bother to unsub. Your vids still get a lot of views, but do not get 700k-1m views.
How would you answer a potential sponsor to what your current reach is? I've seen some youtubes with 650k subs, but they only get 10-15k views on vids today because a lot of those subs are just built up from being on youtube for years. A ton of people no longer watch that person. If that person went to a sponsor saying he had a 600k people reach, would the sponsor believe him or look at his current views and laugh at that notion?
Over the span of 5 days well over 1 million people have watched videos he has made.
Yeah, but that right there is fudging the numbers. That's not 1 million unique people watching. That's just 1 million total views with a ton of repeat viewers.
there's tons of information that youtube analytics gives you if you know how to use it, so just going by the public views isn't entirely accurate to what TB is actually telling sponsors/quoting from
On January 16 2013 14:16 Plansix wrote:
On January 16 2013 14:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On January 16 2013 14:11 Plansix wrote: I am just pointing out that it is a lot of people and I am sure TB knows his numbers. But his response is far better than mine and clears up the matter that he has the data to back it up, but that is apparently very valuable information.
Well it's not THAT value, it's hardly super-secret, I just don't really want to throw my sponsorship deck and detailed analytics out for the internet to see right now. It's of no benefit to me or my company.
Clearly its of some value. Also, every time a hear the phrase "sponsorship deck", I think of the most bad ass set of Magic cards every, that would allow you to summon a whole Pro-gaming team.
So we are going to have a nice show next week, right? Right....?
You dare link me to "The Executives", the show I listen to every fucking week it is out. I am post number 13 if you need to check to make sure. I know what a sponsorship deck is, you god damn know it all. I was making a nerdy joke about awesome about build decks of Esports teams and sponsors, which clearly flew right over your head. But well done, you show me how much more you know than me.
(for one, just because you're post# X doesn't mean you watch it every week... or anything really
also jokes/sarcasm/whatever doesn't translate well over the internet
and where did I claim that I know more about it than you)
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