On January 16 2013 14:04 TotalBiscuit wrote: the entire "journalists are supposed to hold organizations to account!" thing is little more than pandering fluff. People love to hear that shit, sticking it to the man, the big company (even though there aren't really any big companies to stick it to in SC2, EG is not AIG), gives em a little kick, it's exciting.
People want to hear that because it is what journalists should be doing.
If a company does something bad they want knowledge about it, I use that knowledge all the time to avoid companies that have done some bad shit.
And not a single person has said if EG was doing something questionable behind the scenes that should not be exposed. It 100% should be. But when they are working on a super hype annoucnement that will really rev up the SC2 scene and be totally amazing? Yeah, don;t leak that with 2 lines on twitter the day before adding no information. That's not an expose, that's just a buzzkill.
It just sounds like TB is talking about holding companies to account in a wider context than esports, I might be wrong though.
The whole "EG is not AIG" bit implies it should be done to AIG but not EG. Which I totally agree with. And it should be done to EG too if there's secrets people should know that are being covered up, but that's not the case with signing announcements. They are delayed just long enough to make an exciting announcement for all of us, why would we want that spoiled?
On January 16 2013 14:04 TotalBiscuit wrote: the entire "journalists are supposed to hold organizations to account!" thing is little more than pandering fluff. People love to hear that shit, sticking it to the man, the big company (even though there aren't really any big companies to stick it to in SC2, EG is not AIG), gives em a little kick, it's exciting.
People want to hear that because it is what journalists should be doing.
If a company does something bad they want knowledge about it, I use that knowledge all the time to avoid companies that have done some bad shit.
And not a single person has said if EG was doing something questionable behind the scenes that should not be exposed. It 100% should be. But when they are working on a super hype annoucnement that will really rev up the SC2 scene and be totally amazing? Yeah, don;t leak that with 2 lines on twitter the day before adding no information. That's not an expose, that's just a buzzkill.
It just sounds like TB is talking about holding companies to account in a wider context than esports, I might be wrong though.
The whole "EG is not AIG" bit implies it should be done to AIG but not EG. Which I totally agree with. And it should be done to EG too if there's secrets people should know that are being covered up, but that's not the case with signing announcements. They are delayed just long enough to make an exciting announcement for all of us, why would we want that spoiled?
Because we just want to know what it's about.
What's going to wind up happening if Slasher and other journalists keep doing what he's been doing is that these companies won't talk to anyone, will blacklist all journalists, and will do their releases, and you won't get jack shit for journalism at all.
On January 16 2013 14:04 TotalBiscuit wrote: the entire "journalists are supposed to hold organizations to account!" thing is little more than pandering fluff. People love to hear that shit, sticking it to the man, the big company (even though there aren't really any big companies to stick it to in SC2, EG is not AIG), gives em a little kick, it's exciting.
People want to hear that because it is what journalists should be doing.
If a company does something bad they want knowledge about it, I use that knowledge all the time to avoid companies that have done some bad shit.
And not a single person has said if EG was doing something questionable behind the scenes that should not be exposed. It 100% should be. But when they are working on a super hype annoucnement that will really rev up the SC2 scene and be totally amazing? Yeah, don;t leak that with 2 lines on twitter the day before adding no information. That's not an expose, that's just a buzzkill.
It just sounds like TB is talking about holding companies to account in a wider context than esports, I might be wrong though.
The whole "EG is not AIG" bit implies it should be done to AIG but not EG. Which I totally agree with. And it should be done to EG too if there's secrets people should know that are being covered up, but that's not the case with signing announcements. They are delayed just long enough to make an exciting announcement for all of us, why would we want that spoiled?
Because we just want to know what it's about.
What's going to wind up happening if Slasher and other journalists keep doing what he's been doing is that these companies won't talk to anyone, will blacklist all journalists, and will do their releases, and you won't get jack shit for journalism at all.
No, they will talk to journalists because they want publicity. That kind of childish attitude would only hurt them.
On January 16 2013 14:04 TotalBiscuit wrote: the entire "journalists are supposed to hold organizations to account!" thing is little more than pandering fluff. People love to hear that shit, sticking it to the man, the big company (even though there aren't really any big companies to stick it to in SC2, EG is not AIG), gives em a little kick, it's exciting.
People want to hear that because it is what journalists should be doing.
If a company does something bad they want knowledge about it, I use that knowledge all the time to avoid companies that have done some bad shit.
And not a single person has said if EG was doing something questionable behind the scenes that should not be exposed. It 100% should be. But when they are working on a super hype annoucnement that will really rev up the SC2 scene and be totally amazing? Yeah, don;t leak that with 2 lines on twitter the day before adding no information. That's not an expose, that's just a buzzkill.
It just sounds like TB is talking about holding companies to account in a wider context than esports, I might be wrong though.
The whole "EG is not AIG" bit implies it should be done to AIG but not EG. Which I totally agree with. And it should be done to EG too if there's secrets people should know that are being covered up, but that's not the case with signing announcements. They are delayed just long enough to make an exciting announcement for all of us, why would we want that spoiled?
Because we just want to know what it's about.
If there's no leak we don't know there's something to know about. What's better, long rumours of motherfucking Jaedong joining EG followed by Jaedong joining EG, or just one day out of the blue BAM MOTHERFUCKING JAEDONG ON EG? WTF??? And the universe explodes. It did anyway, but it woulda been even moreso otherwise.
On January 16 2013 14:04 TotalBiscuit wrote: the entire "journalists are supposed to hold organizations to account!" thing is little more than pandering fluff. People love to hear that shit, sticking it to the man, the big company (even though there aren't really any big companies to stick it to in SC2, EG is not AIG), gives em a little kick, it's exciting.
People want to hear that because it is what journalists should be doing.
If a company does something bad they want knowledge about it, I use that knowledge all the time to avoid companies that have done some bad shit.
And not a single person has said if EG was doing something questionable behind the scenes that should not be exposed. It 100% should be. But when they are working on a super hype annoucnement that will really rev up the SC2 scene and be totally amazing? Yeah, don;t leak that with 2 lines on twitter the day before adding no information. That's not an expose, that's just a buzzkill.
It just sounds like TB is talking about holding companies to account in a wider context than esports, I might be wrong though.
The whole "EG is not AIG" bit implies it should be done to AIG but not EG. Which I totally agree with. And it should be done to EG too if there's secrets people should know that are being covered up, but that's not the case with signing announcements. They are delayed just long enough to make an exciting announcement for all of us, why would we want that spoiled?
Because we just want to know what it's about.
What's going to wind up happening if Slasher and other journalists keep doing what he's been doing is that these companies won't talk to anyone, will blacklist all journalists, and will do their releases, and you won't get jack shit for journalism at all.
No, they will talk to journalists because they want publicity. That kind of childish attitude would only hurt them.
On January 16 2013 15:21 Serpico wrote: Because we just want to know what it's about.
No you really don't, you want to be swept away in the excitement of it all and you don't get that from a twitter post.
If you didn't like excitement you wouldn't be watching eSports to begin with.
It's the reality of the announcement that's important, not the announcement itself.
When a player signing is announced and there's no hype behind it, it's because there's no hype for the player. Doesn't matter if it was announced on twitter or the front page of TL. A well done video supporting the announcement doesn't matter if the player signing isn't exciting to the community, and if it is exciting, it doesn't matter when the well done video is shown to the community.
On January 16 2013 15:21 Serpico wrote: Because we just want to know what it's about.
No you really don't, you want to be swept away in the excitement of it all and you don't get that from a twitter post.
If you didn't like excitement you wouldn't be watching eSports to begin with.
That's not true. I found out about the NHL lockout ending on twitter around 3am and was plenty excited and was still excited when they did a live press conference around 4am.
Here is the difference b/w sports and esports announcements. I don't think any official team announcements bring any added excitement than reading about it on twitter from slasher. It is different in sports because after big signings/trades, the team will do a live press conference and a ton of media will be there to cover it. The player will always be interviewed live either in person or over the phone for his reaction.
In esports, a press release is posted on the team's website, a written player interivew and maybe a video. That does not add any added excitement than the initial news of what team the player signed with because there's not much added value to see. At least for me it doesn't.
On January 16 2013 15:21 Serpico wrote: Because we just want to know what it's about.
No you really don't, you want to be swept away in the excitement of it all and you don't get that from a twitter post.
If you didn't like excitement you wouldn't be watching eSports to begin with.
That's not true. I found out about the NHL lockout ending on twitter around 3am and was plenty excited and was still excited when they did a live press conference around 4am.
Here is the difference b/w sports and esports announcements. I don't think any official team announcements bring any added excitement than reading about it on twitter from slasher. It is different in sports because after big signings/trades, the team will do a live press conference and a ton of media will be there to cover it. The player will always be interviewed live either in person or over the phone for his reaction.
In esports, a press release is posted on the team's website, a written player interivew and maybe a video. That does not add any added excitement than the initial news of what team the player signed with because there's not much added value to see. At least for me it doesn't.
Because Twitter and a press conference from some suits are equally exciting. That comparison is invalid.
Try this one.
@Slasher Sources tell me Flash will leave KT Rolster and join Team Liquid.
OR
An epic video suddenly posted on the front page of TL with some epic music slowly building to a sick graphic of Flash and a TL logo.
On January 16 2013 14:04 TotalBiscuit wrote: the entire "journalists are supposed to hold organizations to account!" thing is little more than pandering fluff. People love to hear that shit, sticking it to the man, the big company (even though there aren't really any big companies to stick it to in SC2, EG is not AIG), gives em a little kick, it's exciting.
People want to hear that because it is what journalists should be doing.
If a company does something bad they want knowledge about it, I use that knowledge all the time to avoid companies that have done some bad shit.
And not a single person has said if EG was doing something questionable behind the scenes that should not be exposed. It 100% should be. But when they are working on a super hype annoucnement that will really rev up the SC2 scene and be totally amazing? Yeah, don;t leak that with 2 lines on twitter the day before adding no information. That's not an expose, that's just a buzzkill.
It just sounds like TB is talking about holding companies to account in a wider context than esports, I might be wrong though.
The whole "EG is not AIG" bit implies it should be done to AIG but not EG. Which I totally agree with. And it should be done to EG too if there's secrets people should know that are being covered up, but that's not the case with signing announcements. They are delayed just long enough to make an exciting announcement for all of us, why would we want that spoiled?
Because we just want to know what it's about.
What's going to wind up happening if Slasher and other journalists keep doing what he's been doing is that these companies won't talk to anyone, will blacklist all journalists, and will do their releases, and you won't get jack shit for journalism at all.
No, they will talk to journalists because they want publicity. That kind of childish attitude would only hurt them.
Childish? Get the fuck outta here. It's business.
While I'll say it more politely than he did, it is business for these companies, and they know that if they agree, journalists will be forced to change their behavior for their own good in the long run. To these companies, it's basically like some schmuck is stealing money from them, of course they'll do what they can to stop that.
Now, Slasher has done a lot for the community, which is a big part of why he's got access to so many sources, but it won't stay like that forever. To be frank, while his journalism does make a good portion of the existing community happier (at least superficially, Total Biscuit made a convincing argument that it actually doesn't), it doesn't really influence anyone at all outside of the existing community, and thus doesn't really provide much of a benefit to the teams (except when he's being played like TB did), so they really won't care. They can get MORE publicity by doing their own, better done, announcements.
On January 16 2013 15:21 Serpico wrote: Because we just want to know what it's about.
No you really don't, you want to be swept away in the excitement of it all and you don't get that from a twitter post.
If you didn't like excitement you wouldn't be watching eSports to begin with.
That's not true. I found out about the NHL lockout ending on twitter around 3am and was plenty excited and was still excited when they did a live press conference around 4am.
Here is the difference b/w sports and esports announcements. I don't think any official team announcements bring any added excitement than reading about it on twitter from slasher. It is different in sports because after big signings/trades, the team will do a live press conference and a ton of media will be there to cover it. The player will always be interviewed live either in person or over the phone for his reaction.
In esports, a press release is posted on the team's website, a written player interivew and maybe a video. That does not add any added excitement than the initial news of what team the player signed with because there's not much added value to see. At least for me it doesn't.
Because Twitter and a press conference from some suits are equally exciting. That comparison is invalid.
Try this one.
@Slasher Sources tell me Flash will leave KT Rolster and join Team Liquid.
OR
An epic video suddenly posted on the front page of TL with some epic music slowly building to a sick graphic of Flash and a TL logo.
Does the video really make that hype for you?
Really?
I mean, you're not pissing your pants no matter how the information is presented to you? It's not the most exciting, hype inducing news of 2013 regardless?
On January 16 2013 15:21 Serpico wrote: Because we just want to know what it's about.
No you really don't, you want to be swept away in the excitement of it all and you don't get that from a twitter post.
If you didn't like excitement you wouldn't be watching eSports to begin with.
That's not true. I found out about the NHL lockout ending on twitter around 3am and was plenty excited and was still excited when they did a live press conference around 4am.
Here is the difference b/w sports and esports announcements. I don't think any official team announcements bring any added excitement than reading about it on twitter from slasher. It is different in sports because after big signings/trades, the team will do a live press conference and a ton of media will be there to cover it. The player will always be interviewed live either in person or over the phone for his reaction.
In esports, a press release is posted on the team's website, a written player interivew and maybe a video. That does not add any added excitement than the initial news of what team the player signed with because there's not much added value to see. At least for me it doesn't.
@Slasher Sources tell me Flash will leave KT Rolster and join Team Liquid.
OR
An epic video suddenly posted on the front page of TL with some epic music slowly building to a sick graphic of Flash and a TL logo.
Those are both equally exciting to me because the main interesting part is flash to tl. A fluff video doesn't make it more interesting to me. We have different views on what constitutes hype and what brings added value to the initial news. You seem to love hype videos a lot, while they don't do much for me.
On January 16 2013 15:21 Serpico wrote: Because we just want to know what it's about.
No you really don't, you want to be swept away in the excitement of it all and you don't get that from a twitter post.
If you didn't like excitement you wouldn't be watching eSports to begin with.
That's not true. I found out about the NHL lockout ending on twitter around 3am and was plenty excited and was still excited when they did a live press conference around 4am.
Here is the difference b/w sports and esports announcements. I don't think any official team announcements bring any added excitement than reading about it on twitter from slasher. It is different in sports because after big signings/trades, the team will do a live press conference and a ton of media will be there to cover it. The player will always be interviewed live either in person or over the phone for his reaction.
In esports, a press release is posted on the team's website, a written player interivew and maybe a video. That does not add any added excitement than the initial news of what team the player signed with because there's not much added value to see. At least for me it doesn't.
@Slasher Sources tell me Flash will leave KT Rolster and join Team Liquid.
OR
An epic video suddenly posted on the front page of TL with some epic music slowly building to a sick graphic of Flash and a TL logo.
Those are both equally exciting to me because the main interesting part is flash to tl. A fluff video doesn't make it more interesting to me. We have different views on what constitutes hype and you seem to love hype videos a lot, while they don't do much for me.
See, you say that now, but I'm pretty sure that if we hadn't asked a hypothetical and had actually presented you with an exceptionally well done video that said just that you'd be blowing your gasket with awesomeness, while merely being excited over a twitter post to that effect.
I know that pretty much everything is more awesome when presented with a fantastic presentation format. That's why people actually care about presentations and companies don't just tweet everything.
On January 16 2013 15:21 Serpico wrote: Because we just want to know what it's about.
No you really don't, you want to be swept away in the excitement of it all and you don't get that from a twitter post.
If you didn't like excitement you wouldn't be watching eSports to begin with.
That's not true. I found out about the NHL lockout ending on twitter around 3am and was plenty excited and was still excited when they did a live press conference around 4am.
Here is the difference b/w sports and esports announcements. I don't think any official team announcements bring any added excitement than reading about it on twitter from slasher. It is different in sports because after big signings/trades, the team will do a live press conference and a ton of media will be there to cover it. The player will always be interviewed live either in person or over the phone for his reaction.
In esports, a press release is posted on the team's website, a written player interivew and maybe a video. That does not add any added excitement than the initial news of what team the player signed with because there's not much added value to see. At least for me it doesn't.
@Slasher Sources tell me Flash will leave KT Rolster and join Team Liquid.
OR
An epic video suddenly posted on the front page of TL with some epic music slowly building to a sick graphic of Flash and a TL logo.
Those are both equally exciting to me because the main interesting part is flash to tl. A fluff video doesn't make it more interesting to me.
Well that aesthetic opinion would be valid but for the fact that a Slasher tweet, while usually accurate, is not certain, so it's not like "holy shit Flash to Liquid!" it's "holy shit... is Flash going to liquid? I hope this is real" then the official announcement makes it real and the hype is heavily diminished on each occasion. And that's if you grant your aesthetic opinion - I think it's clear for most people that does nt apply.
On January 16 2013 15:21 Serpico wrote: Because we just want to know what it's about.
No you really don't, you want to be swept away in the excitement of it all and you don't get that from a twitter post.
If you didn't like excitement you wouldn't be watching eSports to begin with.
That's not true. I found out about the NHL lockout ending on twitter around 3am and was plenty excited and was still excited when they did a live press conference around 4am.
Here is the difference b/w sports and esports announcements. I don't think any official team announcements bring any added excitement than reading about it on twitter from slasher. It is different in sports because after big signings/trades, the team will do a live press conference and a ton of media will be there to cover it. The player will always be interviewed live either in person or over the phone for his reaction.
In esports, a press release is posted on the team's website, a written player interivew and maybe a video. That does not add any added excitement than the initial news of what team the player signed with because there's not much added value to see. At least for me it doesn't.
Because Twitter and a press conference from some suits are equally exciting. That comparison is invalid.
Try this one.
@Slasher Sources tell me Flash will leave KT Rolster and join Team Liquid.
OR
An epic video suddenly posted on the front page of TL with some epic music slowly building to a sick graphic of Flash and a TL logo.
What does epic video and epic music means? Absolutely nothing. The only team announcement that any kind of hyped a signature(I mean was more exciting than reading the same news in 140 characters) is Thorzain's EG video because it was funny.
What would be nice is Slasher breaking the news and within 24h have a full article linking TL's announcement with interview with Victor, the player that was signed teammates and people within the community on what that signature means to the team, why this guy over another, what will he bring to the team, etc...
On January 16 2013 15:21 Serpico wrote: Because we just want to know what it's about.
No you really don't, you want to be swept away in the excitement of it all and you don't get that from a twitter post.
If you didn't like excitement you wouldn't be watching eSports to begin with.
That's not true. I found out about the NHL lockout ending on twitter around 3am and was plenty excited and was still excited when they did a live press conference around 4am.
Here is the difference b/w sports and esports announcements. I don't think any official team announcements bring any added excitement than reading about it on twitter from slasher. It is different in sports because after big signings/trades, the team will do a live press conference and a ton of media will be there to cover it. The player will always be interviewed live either in person or over the phone for his reaction.
In esports, a press release is posted on the team's website, a written player interivew and maybe a video. That does not add any added excitement than the initial news of what team the player signed with because there's not much added value to see. At least for me it doesn't.
@Slasher Sources tell me Flash will leave KT Rolster and join Team Liquid.
OR
An epic video suddenly posted on the front page of TL with some epic music slowly building to a sick graphic of Flash and a TL logo.
Those are both equally exciting to me because the main interesting part is flash to tl. A fluff video doesn't make it more interesting to me. We have different views on what constitutes hype and you seem to love hype videos a lot, while they don't do much for me.
See, you say that now, but I'm pretty sure that if we hadn't asked a hypothetical and had actually presented you with an exceptionally well done video that said just that you'd be blowing your gasket with awesomeness, while merely being excited over a twitter post to that effect.
I know that pretty much everything is more awesome when presented with a fantastic presentation format. That's why people actually care about presentations and companies don't just tweet everything.
The video doesn't matter if it comes before or after the twitter post. It's the content (flash to TL) that matters.
Presentation matters when you're trying to sell something / convince someone of something. No convincing/selling needed if flash moves to TL. Just a simple "Hey guys, we signed flash, gg" and the community would EXPLODE all the same as if you had made a video about it. The video in this case is really the same whether it comes out before the announcement or after.
On January 16 2013 16:04 Kammalleri wrote: What does epic video and epic music means? Absolutely nothing. The only team announcement that any kind of hyped a signature(I mean was more exciting than reading the same news in 140 characters) is Thorzain's EG video because it was funny.
What would be nice is Slasher breaking the news and within 24h have a full article linking TL's announcement with interview with Victor, the player that was signed teammates and people within the community on what that signature means to the team, why this guy over another, what will he bring to the team, etc...
I have still yet to see a single benefit to press announcing something prior to a team. Whether or not you do or do not think "epic music" means anything isn't relevant, the press announcing it prior to the team does not benefit anybody but the site that does the announcing.
alex is so naive, ripping on slasher for capitalizing on information he leaked HIMSELF.. LOL. that's pretty retarded. Is this real life? I never really liked slasher, but I have to defend him from the massive idiocy that is coming from Alex and EG..
On January 16 2013 15:21 Serpico wrote: Because we just want to know what it's about.
No you really don't, you want to be swept away in the excitement of it all and you don't get that from a twitter post.
If you didn't like excitement you wouldn't be watching eSports to begin with.
That's not true. I found out about the NHL lockout ending on twitter around 3am and was plenty excited and was still excited when they did a live press conference around 4am.
Here is the difference b/w sports and esports announcements. I don't think any official team announcements bring any added excitement than reading about it on twitter from slasher. It is different in sports because after big signings/trades, the team will do a live press conference and a ton of media will be there to cover it. The player will always be interviewed live either in person or over the phone for his reaction.
In esports, a press release is posted on the team's website, a written player interivew and maybe a video. That does not add any added excitement than the initial news of what team the player signed with because there's not much added value to see. At least for me it doesn't.
Because Twitter and a press conference from some suits are equally exciting. That comparison is invalid.
Try this one.
@Slasher Sources tell me Flash will leave KT Rolster and join Team Liquid.
OR
An epic video suddenly posted on the front page of TL with some epic music slowly building to a sick graphic of Flash and a TL logo.
What would be nice is Slasher breaking the news and within 24h have a full article linking TL's announcement with interview with Victor, the player that was signed teammates and people within the community on what that signature means to the team, why this guy over another, what will he bring to the team, etc...
Yeah I wish teams would accelerate their announcements once slasher leaks it. They do that in sports sometimes and it happened today.
Claude Giroux was supposed to be announced as the new Philadelphia Flyers captain on Thursday. Press got wind of it either yesterday or today, so everyone knew about it. Did the flyers pout and blame the press for doing their job? Nope, they decided to announce it today instead of thursday.
Claude Giroux was named the 19th captain of the Flyers on Tuesday night.
The club had considered doing it Thursday night at Wells Fargo Center during the Flyers' open-house practice but changed its mind when word began to leak out.
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