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ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
January 16 2013 08:02 GMT
#8121
i think EG should have looked after themselves better
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Signus
Profile Joined February 2009
United States269 Posts
January 16 2013 08:03 GMT
#8122
Slasher probably could have handled his work better, if only to prevent a huge backlash like this from happening. However, even if he was being clumsy about it, he was still just doing what his job asks him to. In the future, he'll probably have to talk to teams about just about every story he's going to break and they are going to tell him to hold off until they're ready for it to go public. Which means sites like Cadred, Gosugamers, or some random person on Reddit is going get that information out anyway because they have less to lose.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
January 16 2013 08:06 GMT
#8123
I'd be interested to read iNcontroL's thoughts on Alex's proposed boycott of Slasher, given his prior comments about community boycotts and letters to sponsors. What a little hypocritical snot Alex is.

Also, what kind of an owner is Alex, if he invested so much into this "secret" announcement which he should have known was known to others ? I don't know if Slasher's source was within EG or not, but either way, it's either Alex's fault for not putting a lid on his own team, or for ignorantly assuming nobody else knew. If the players in question, who signed with EG, were talking to other teams about possibly joining them, then it's to be expected that other teams will also know. So these stupid announcements of announcements would have answered the other teams' question, if they didn't know it was EG.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
January 16 2013 08:07 GMT
#8124
On January 16 2013 16:59 TheDougler wrote:
Where can I find the vod of this? Sounds interesting...

Still wondering
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
BlackPanther
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States872 Posts
January 16 2013 08:10 GMT
#8125
On January 16 2013 17:00 proofy wrote:
Slasher is doing his job and doing it well. Listening to Alex Garfield wanting to gather teams together for a media blackout is laughable. Just more idle threats similar to not sending players to Homestory Cup because of the whole Stephano/Xlord disconnect debacle.

Slasher may have done his job but he didn't do it well. He pissed off EG and he caused damage to sponsorship deals in a fragile industry.
WardenSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada210 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 08:13:10
January 16 2013 08:12 GMT
#8126
It was just sickening to hear EG_ALEX ganging up and infringe upon journalistic freedom. You can be assured EG has LOST formidable number of supporters from this childish intimidation.
Revangale
Profile Joined February 2012
United States7 Posts
January 16 2013 08:14 GMT
#8127
On January 16 2013 17:10 BlackPanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 17:00 proofy wrote:
Slasher is doing his job and doing it well. Listening to Alex Garfield wanting to gather teams together for a media blackout is laughable. Just more idle threats similar to not sending players to Homestory Cup because of the whole Stephano/Xlord disconnect debacle.

Slasher may have done his job but he didn't do it well. He pissed off EG and he caused damage to sponsorship deals in a fragile industry.




EG leaked the info already. They damaged themselves. Let say a person leaked/posted nude pics of themselves, then someone else uploaded. Is it logical for the person to have a bitch fit?

Slasher doesn't need to do his job "well" as in making EG look good. He's not their publicist. If so, journalists shouldn't post anything that can harm BP or any of the big companies. Journalist should keep companies honest, not make them look good or bad. OBJECTIVITY.
Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
January 16 2013 08:14 GMT
#8128
On January 16 2013 17:07 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 16:59 TheDougler wrote:
Where can I find the vod of this? Sounds interesting...

Still wondering


Type onemoregame on Twitch and it will be the 1st vod on the channel.
"Skills to pay the bills" - Artosis, https://twitter.com/AegeisSC2 ,http://www.tumblr.com/blog/socal-esports
fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 08:19:59
January 16 2013 08:15 GMT
#8129
On January 16 2013 16:49 BlackPanther wrote:
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On January 16 2013 16:20 matiK23 wrote:
Alex complains about how esports isn't funded the same way real sports is, where esports is mostly funded by marketing and sponsors. Well if that money is so fragile, that information should be your top priority. Sorry, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Slasher was doing his job.


Slasher is not only effectively damaging his career by stirring trouble with major esports organizations but hes damaging the vitality of the industry. If things like this get leaked out, sponsors don't make enough return so they pull funding. If sponsors pull funding, esports goes to shit and Slasher is out a job. He can do all the leaking he wants if esports in its current state was as economically healthy as other major sports but its not so there has to be some sort of code of conduct that he has to abide by in order to prevent crashing a sponsorship deal that would help make esports bigger and better.


Announcements getting out is not going to ruin funding and it's ridiculous to believe it would. Announcements that don't live up to the hype, or the failure of what they announce ruins funding. Plain and simple. Results, whether it be winning or popularity, warrant funding, not announcements. In EG's case just about every signing they've made has failed to deliver on the excitement and success promised. Is it any wonder that sponsors would begin to be more skeptical?
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BlackPanther
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States872 Posts
January 16 2013 08:18 GMT
#8130
On January 16 2013 17:14 Revangale wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 17:10 BlackPanther wrote:
On January 16 2013 17:00 proofy wrote:
Slasher is doing his job and doing it well. Listening to Alex Garfield wanting to gather teams together for a media blackout is laughable. Just more idle threats similar to not sending players to Homestory Cup because of the whole Stephano/Xlord disconnect debacle.

Slasher may have done his job but he didn't do it well. He pissed off EG and he caused damage to sponsorship deals in a fragile industry.




EG leaked the info already. They damaged themselves. Let say a person leaked/posted nude pics of themselves, then someone else uploaded. Is it logical for the person to have a bitch fit?

Slasher doesn't need to do his job "well" as in making EG look good. He's not their publicist. If so, journalists shouldn't post anything that can harm BP or any of the big companies. Journalist should keep companies honest, not make them look good or bad. OBJECTIVITY.


Slasher benefits when esports does well because its his job to report. In its current state, esports is very fragile and reporting leaked information won't benefit the industry as a whole and it won't benefit him. There is a HUGE difference between whistle blowing and just leaking information for the sake of leaking. Comparing EG to BP is just wrong because there is no wrong doing being done by EG.
chawinski
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia98 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 08:20:42
January 16 2013 08:19 GMT
#8131
<Edit>

Answered my own question.
Rezudox
Profile Joined July 2012
207 Posts
January 16 2013 08:20 GMT
#8132
On January 16 2013 17:19 chawinski wrote:
When is this going to be uploaded?


VOD / MP3
jakek95
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom351 Posts
January 16 2013 08:21 GMT
#8133
On January 16 2013 17:20 Rezudox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 17:19 chawinski wrote:
When is this going to be uploaded?


VOD / MP3

what point does it get too the good part?
BlackPanther
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States872 Posts
January 16 2013 08:22 GMT
#8134
On January 16 2013 17:15 fire_brand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 16:49 BlackPanther wrote:
On January 16 2013 16:20 matiK23 wrote:
Alex complains about how esports isn't funded the same way real sports is, where esports is mostly funded by marketing and sponsors. Well if that money is so fragile, that information should be your top priority. Sorry, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Slasher was doing his job.


Slasher is not only effectively damaging his career by stirring trouble with major esports organizations but hes damaging the vitality of the industry. If things like this get leaked out, sponsors don't make enough return so they pull funding. If sponsors pull funding, esports goes to shit and Slasher is out a job. He can do all the leaking he wants if esports in its current state was as economically healthy as other major sports but its not so there has to be some sort of code of conduct that he has to abide by in order to prevent crashing a sponsorship deal that would help make esports bigger and better.


Announcements getting out is not going to ruin funding and it's ridiculous to believe it would. Announcements that don't live up to the hype, or the failure of what they announce ruins funding. Plain and simple. Results, whether it be winning or popularity, warrant funding, not announcements.


EG was tasked with driving ad views for their sponsors through the announcement. Since the announcement got leaked, there was less hype than anticipated when EG wanted to open the lid on it and thus there were not as many ad views as hoped. Thus sponsors get mad and reduce funding because EG didn't follow through. We can argue all day about whether EG should have kept a tighter lid on the announcement and I agree that they should have but the fact that slasher leaked it is what bothers me. He should have understood the risks that come with reporting information like this.
Hermasaurus
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
54 Posts
January 16 2013 08:23 GMT
#8135
On January 16 2013 16:38 Superpower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 16:20 tshi wrote:
On January 16 2013 16:18 Crushinator wrote:
Journalists do the things journalists do, the fact that this seems to be a problem just shows how undeveloped this industry is. If you don't want your information leaked, make sure your employees don't leak the information. Welcome to the real world, esports.

Well, Alex posted on twitter I think? Somewhere he described that when there is a bidding war between teams for a player, the losing team knows that they didn't win and sometimes those people can leak stuff. So its not always the EG employees.

I'm not arguing against your point, I'm just mentioning that sometimes, it's out of the organization's hands.

Still, you don't leak the information it doesn't get out their, if Alex kept it to himself, nothing would have happened, if someone knows about your crush, no matter how much you trust them the info will be leaked sooner or later, if they don't the only way someone will find out is if you tell them.

Re-read what he wrote. If you can't understand it I will simplify.
He said when there are multiple teams trying to acquire a player through bids NOT ALL THE TEAMS CAN WIN.
Therefore there are losers who are informed that obviously since they didn't get the player they deduct the such team must have acquired the player. Alex doesn't have to say a word if another team bidding at a player lost and since they lost they know who acquired the player and they leak the information to a journalist...It is so frustrating when people speak ignorantly because they are uninformed, can't or chose not to read, or are incapable of making deduction on their own.

There are a pool of people involved in esports who for the most part are aware of things going around them whether it involves the directly or indirectly. Through this group of people the word spreads. Obviously someone leaked the information to Slasher. For instance when something goes on the pro community say with EG, Team Liquid knows about it.

In short, it doesn't matter if the buyer of said player keeps his mouth shut, plenty of other people know about it.
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NGrNecris
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand855 Posts
January 16 2013 08:25 GMT
#8136
On January 16 2013 16:27 dizzy101 wrote:
The crew really piled it on Slasher this episide, I didn't like that at all. DJ Wheat in cahoots with the EG gang--where's the impartiality? They looked like angry parents trying to straighten out a disobedient kid. Frown and all.

Slasher really is the only esports journalist there is at the moment. He is NOT a publicist for teams.

Support Slasher 100%.


he lost his impartiality a long time ago
naux
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada738 Posts
January 16 2013 08:28 GMT
#8137
Can somebody please some up the information that has been leaked? Am i the only one in the dark..
Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
January 16 2013 08:30 GMT
#8138
On January 16 2013 17:22 BlackPanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 17:15 fire_brand wrote:
On January 16 2013 16:49 BlackPanther wrote:
On January 16 2013 16:20 matiK23 wrote:
Alex complains about how esports isn't funded the same way real sports is, where esports is mostly funded by marketing and sponsors. Well if that money is so fragile, that information should be your top priority. Sorry, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Slasher was doing his job.


Slasher is not only effectively damaging his career by stirring trouble with major esports organizations but hes damaging the vitality of the industry. If things like this get leaked out, sponsors don't make enough return so they pull funding. If sponsors pull funding, esports goes to shit and Slasher is out a job. He can do all the leaking he wants if esports in its current state was as economically healthy as other major sports but its not so there has to be some sort of code of conduct that he has to abide by in order to prevent crashing a sponsorship deal that would help make esports bigger and better.


Announcements getting out is not going to ruin funding and it's ridiculous to believe it would. Announcements that don't live up to the hype, or the failure of what they announce ruins funding. Plain and simple. Results, whether it be winning or popularity, warrant funding, not announcements.


EG was tasked with driving ad views for their sponsors through the announcement. Since the announcement got leaked, there was less hype than anticipated when EG wanted to open the lid on it and thus there were not as many ad views as hoped. Thus sponsors get mad and reduce funding because EG didn't follow through. We can argue all day about whether EG should have kept a tighter lid on the announcement and I agree that they should have but the fact that slasher leaked it is what bothers me. He should have understood the risks that come with reporting information like this.


It is not his job as a journalist to worry about the implication to EG. He had the information, he told it, end of story. If EG gambled this much on the annoucement and its failure causes some issue, it is their problem and their problem only, they did their jobs poorly and they should learn about their mistakes and not whining against Slasher. Between Slasher and Alex Garfield, only one of them did its job correctly.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
January 16 2013 08:30 GMT
#8139
Lol the Alex Garfield part was just about the most ridiculous and pissy thing I have heard so far.
At a point he basically tells Slasher that he should take the offer he made him and have a few interviews outside of announcements,as compensation for not leaking information,or he would organize a witch hunt against him and try to get as many teams as possible to stop talking to him ever,like what in the actual fuck.
Although Slasher is not the sharpest tool in the shed he obviously can recognize incredible passive aggressive behavior and retarded ultimatums.Like what was he supposed to say?"Oh yes mr Garfield,I'll gladly take your crumbs just so you can have your announcement."
That's kinda something you do offscreen and not put a guy on the spot about something that is his job.You think it's smart for him to openly say on a talk to show that he will withhold information in the future just so you can have your shitty announcement?
I'm actually glad TB came onto the show to save face of the owners because you just all made them look like giant douchebags for a moment there.
I agree with TB that smaller teams suffer way more from this and obviously there needs to be some kind of consensus,but this Garfield outburst was just fucking lol.
If people have this much of a problem with Slasher than the way to deal with it is contacting him directly and not bombard him with tweets from your little minions and call him out on a talk show,trying to get him to essentially sell out as a journalist publicly.
Be happy while you actually have a single person that you can lash out on for something like this,because if suddenly more people start doing it what than?You're going to threaten every single site on the internet with not giving out information at all in the future?You're going to tell your players to not do interviews with those people.
Fucking sad man,if you don't want something to get leaked than tie your shit together and start firing some people in your own house for it.
Slasher your doing a good job man I'm sure you can figure out this thing on your own with the other teams,I'd just suggest that you move away from EG and let that bridge be burned down as Garfield says.
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tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
January 16 2013 08:30 GMT
#8140
Maybe a new thread for this stuff is warranted now that so many people keep asking for the same stuff? I'm only throwing it out there, I'm too lazy to make a new thread with all the info gathered, sorry.
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