EPT[Show] Inside The Game - Official Thread - Page 408
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phuzi0n
United States308 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Again props to TB for staying calm and rational and actually giving insight,being patient and not passive aggressive. | ||
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yyfpulls
United States2185 Posts
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
On January 16 2013 17:30 Vanadiel wrote: It is not his job as a journalist to worry about the implication to EG. He had the information, he told it, end of story. If EG gambled this much on the annoucement and its failure causes some issue, it is their problem and their problem only, they did their jobs poorly and they should learn about their mistakes and not whining against Slasher. Between Slasher and Alex Garfield, only one of them did its job correctly. I agree that EG is partially to blame for this announcement getting ruined but that doesn't mean slasher should get a free pass because hes a journalist. We have to be more pragmatic when it comes to esports journalism. Leaking things for the sake of leaking because journalism is extremely shortsided and slasher, with all the experience he has had in the industry, should understand the damage he was capable of doing by ruining the hype. | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
On January 16 2013 17:36 TheKefka wrote: Oh yea and that part when Incontrol get's done with his little hypocritical rant about what slasher did Wheat suddenly feels a sting in his heart that maybe,just maybe he should try to say something in a friends defense and bring an argument to the table,he immediately has to prefix it with "kinda to play devils advocat" just to not bite the EG tit he is sucking on for a long time now.I get it Wheat you have a family and you gotta make a living somehow and if its through relationships with EG than be my fucking guest,but at least don't throw Slasher under the bus for it. lol. I think he just wanted the whole situation to not come off as bad as the destiny thing because some people on the internet overreact and have vendettas against other teams and or players. | ||
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Dragt
Germany73 Posts
On January 16 2013 17:22 BlackPanther wrote: EG was tasked with driving ad views for their sponsors through the announcement. Since the announcement got leaked, there was less hype than anticipated when EG wanted to open the lid on it and thus there were not as many ad views as hoped. Thus sponsors get mad and reduce funding because EG didn't follow through. We can argue all day about whether EG should have kept a tighter lid on the announcement and I agree that they should have but the fact that slasher leaked it is what bothers me. He should have understood the risks that come with reporting information like this. EG miscalculated the number of viewers and now tries to blame someone else. I didn´t read the leak by slasher, still didn´t visit EGs hompage (just read about it on tl.net) and i know noone of my friendslist who did. I read something like EG expected a 500% increase in viewers.... If you are interested in the news you wont be satisfied with a short twitter news and will visit the site, but to be honest jd going to EG was a news, but it was not as big as some people would like it to be. | ||
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
On January 16 2013 17:39 Dragt wrote: EG miscalculated the number of viewers and now tries to blame someone else. I didn´t read the leak by slasher, still didn´t visit EGs hompage (just read about it on tl.net) and i know noone of my friendslist who did. I read something like EG expected a 500% increase in viewers.... I think that was from the silly front page post on reddit. I'm not sure if any of the details regarding the sponsorship deal were leaked as well. | ||
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darkcloud8282
Canada776 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On January 16 2013 17:47 darkcloud8282 wrote: Basically Slasher is being called out for lazy journalism and EG/teams in general are having NDA issues and want to shoot the messenger Basically,all could have been resolved with 1 skype call between who ever has a problem with slasher and him. But why do that when you can use a talk show,which basically belongs to EG,to try and strong arm Slasher and humiliate him in front of people.Great work Garfield. | ||
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GregMandel
France822 Posts
I mean if journalists aren't able to call out leaked infos there's just no hope for e-Sports journalism, of course people will always complain when an info is leaked, even I do, but when my friends repeats something I told him not to, I get mad at him, but I also handle my part of responsibility for telling him in the first place. Garfield should just admit their part of responsibilty because Slasher isn't guilty of anything IMO. | ||
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
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Skytt
Scotland333 Posts
If you don't want people making news about your #HYPE signings days before they happen then fucking tighten your organisation up and find and deal with the leaks. It's your own fault if this shit happens to you. | ||
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IronyDK
Denmark142 Posts
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Charon1979
Austria317 Posts
So an e-sports journalists job is basically to advertise teams (player interviews) and make announcements of announcements. There is a name for that kind of guys. Its not journalist, its marketing manager. And these guys are paid by the organization they work for. If you dont want to get a leaked info posted everywhere on the net, dont let it leak. This happens all the time in every single industrie in the world. Organizations have learned to live with it by either keeping secrets really closed up or even use the leaks to promote and advertise. Apple for example: The famous iPhone 5 leak Was leaked in a Tech Magazine before Apple announced it. Why? An employee lost it in a bar and the journalist got his hands on it. Did Apple lose some "excitement" for this new product? For sure. Did they do a "Talkshow" and bashed on the journalist for not talking to them first? Dont think so. Should e-sport journalism be about advertising teams, reposting announcements or spreading old news? | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
1) Teams need to be far more cautious with their information. Seriously the amount of stuff that flies around on Skype and such is ridiculous. I know so many things I shouldn't and so does anyone who has any real involvement in the scene. This should not be happening, tighten up, plug the leaks, put serious effort into keeping your information firmly locked down. 2) Leaks are cheap and easy content which gets page-views. It might sound like a good idea now but I can guarantee that in the long-term it's a better business strategy to increase the quality of your content and make sure your audience values you not merely because you have access to leaks but because you create content to a high standard, consistently. If all you are known for is leaked information then as soon as that dries up you are fucked. 3) Teams and media organizations need to think about how they can best benefit each other. The media benefits teams, there is no doubt about it, they have reach that teams do not and more eyes on what teams are doing is always good. The media relies on teams, without them there is no scene and every time that goes under because they can't keep the doors open due to lack of funds might be a nice little traffic surge that day but in the long-term damages the scene just a little more, a scene which you rely on for your content. Free press or TEAM MOUTHPIECE is a complete false dichotomy, there are so many levels of cooperation that do not have to infringe on the rights of the free press or on their journalistic integrity. | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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CiCeRoSC2
United States83 Posts
On January 16 2013 18:18 TotalBiscuit wrote: I think what this whole thing has demonstrated is fairly obvious. 1) Teams need to be far more cautious with their information. Seriously the amount of stuff that flies around on Skype and such is ridiculous. I know so many things I shouldn't and so does anyone who has any real involvement in the scene. This should not be happening, tighten up, plug the leaks, put serious effort into keeping your information firmly locked down. 2) Leaks are cheap and easy content which gets page-views. It might sound like a good idea now but I can guarantee that in the long-term it's a better business strategy to increase the quality of your content and make sure your audience values you not merely because you have access to leaks but because you create content to a high standard, consistently. If all you are known for is leaked information then as soon as that dries up you are fucked. 3) Teams and media organizations need to think about how they can best benefit each other. The media benefits teams, there is no doubt about it, they have reach that teams do not and more eyes on what teams are doing is always good. The media relies on teams, without them there is no scene and every time that goes under because they can't keep the doors open due to lack of funds might be a nice little traffic surge that day but in the long-term damages the scene just a little more, a scene which you rely on for your content. Free press or TEAM MOUTHPIECE is a complete false dichotomy, there are so many levels of cooperation that do not have to infringe on the rights of the free press or on their journalistic integrity. This is a fantastic post. Moderate, not taking swipes at anyone, honest. Thank you TB. | ||
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majloon
Sweden122 Posts
Slasher joins at 1:21 Alex at 1:36 | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On January 16 2013 18:18 TotalBiscuit wrote: + Show Spoiler + I think what this whole thing has demonstrated is fairly obvious. 1) Teams need to be far more cautious with their information. Seriously the amount of stuff that flies around on Skype and such is ridiculous. I know so many things I shouldn't and so does anyone who has any real involvement in the scene. This should not be happening, tighten up, plug the leaks, put serious effort into keeping your information firmly locked down. 2) Leaks are cheap and easy content which gets page-views. It might sound like a good idea now but I can guarantee that in the long-term it's a better business strategy to increase the quality of your content and make sure your audience values you not merely because you have access to leaks but because you create content to a high standard, consistently. If all you are known for is leaked information then as soon as that dries up you are fucked. 3) Teams and media organizations need to think about how they can best benefit each other. The media benefits teams, there is no doubt about it, they have reach that teams do not and more eyes on what teams are doing is always good. The media relies on teams, without them there is no scene and every time that goes under because they can't keep the doors open due to lack of funds might be a nice little traffic surge that day but in the long-term damages the scene just a little more, a scene which you rely on for your content. Free press or TEAM MOUTHPIECE is a complete false dichotomy, there are so many levels of cooperation that do not have to infringe on the rights of the free press or on their journalistic integrity. Just finished watching the vod+ reading this I gotta thank you for being the only party involved with a clearminded, and reasonbale attitude during this whole mess. I don't know whose idea it was to have slasher on a EG talkshow to discuss this but similar to the Destiny incident a few months ago, I don't see the point of having 4 EG guys + 1 MC who is depending on EG to gang up on Slasher. It was certainly entertaining though to see Alex Garfield make a fool of himself and hypocrit Incontrol striking again, I guess he would support a witchhunt against Slasher because its coming from EG although his past blog statements would contradict that. TB coming on the show at the end was the only reason I consider listening to that 1 hour rant not a waste of time. @CiCeRoSC2 y, I guess "ganging" up on Slasher was kinda phrasing it wrong, I just wanted to emphasize that it was stupid to have that debate on a show that's basically a EG weekly news-channel. I agree that it was good A.Garfield told them to stay out of this, but before the guest came on the EG guys stated that basically the same as Garfield ( obviously since they represent the same organisation.) but it doesn't change the fact that EG not being able to keep their infos secret and then blaming a journalist who does his job, is ridiculous, because they misscalculated their estimated revenue increase. | ||
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