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maganez
United States23 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:22 Klonere wrote: Goddamnit I am sick and tired of this posing, professionalism bullshit. I want real people, not slick, robotic and stale PR idiots. OK, What do you think about Artosis, Tasteless, DJWheat, Diggity and Day9? I'm not trolling, just curious. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
I don't give a f about casting, works for me at least. The single reason I would refrain from watching was and would be not being able to watch the games at all. Minimize snychronisation, lag and sound issues and things will work out themselves within upcoming weeks. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:27 maganez wrote: OK, What do you think about Artosis, Tasteless, DJWheat, Diggity and Day9? I'm not trolling, just curious. Artosis and Tasteless have been called out many times for bias (Artosis's supposed Zerg bias, bias towards foreigners), Tasteless was ripped apart for poor obsing, lack of game knowledge and plugging there own stuff too much in general. They aren't shining examples of professionlism and I adore their chemistry and commentary, which is unmatched in SC2 so far. DjWheat recently got a ton of shit for opening up one of his recent shows with 'Whats up bitches!!!!!!'. I have a ton of respect for him, as he has been around forever in the esports scene in general and has great enthusiasm and passion. Diggity, hasn't had much exposure in the SC2 scene, with his YT channel being woefully undersubbed and only recently has appeared on NASL, rightfully being praised for his classy attire and manner. Good memories of his BW casts still <3 Day seems to be the yardstick that everyone tries to measure all other figures in the scene by. He is an exceptional person, no doubt, juggling grad school with a one man, 5 day a week show and travelling the world casting. I just don't like everyone demanding that all casters be like Day in his impeccable unbiased, smooth and professional casts. Thats Days style. Let sleeping Days lie! | ||
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Malinor
Germany4736 Posts
I enjoy Gretoprs casting more than Incontrols, actually. Although I cannot really put a finger on why. I just somehoe dislike the way Incontrol talks in a 'serious' casting environment. I cannot say he is doing a bad job, I guess it's just my personal preference in that case. I just get tired fast when I hear "amazing/wonderful/brilliant/legend/unbelievable/mind-blowing" in every second sentence, the words kinda lose their meaning that way. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:40 Malinor wrote:I just get tired fast when I hear "amazing/wonderful/brilliant/legend/unbelievable/mind-blowing" in every second sentence, the words kinda lose their meaning that way. To be fair, then you may not enjoy Day[9] casting as well.. | ||
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maganez
United States23 Posts
Poll: Who would you like to cast NASL? Day9 (362) Tastetosis (Tasteless/Artosis) (140) good looking chick with one pro-caster (111) iNcontrol (84) TotalBiscuit (52) Gretorp (50) Khaldor (38) DJWheat (34) Husky (31) Diggity (23) HD (21) JP (17) 963 total votes Your vote: Who would you like to cast NASL? (Vote): Day9 | ||
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RodYan
United States126 Posts
Changing subjects now, I think Gretorp's casting really needs work, but arguing about a replacement is not going to help the casting get better. Especially because not every caster lives in LA where the studio is! Other than the fact that I find his casting to be very "forced", I'm not going to bother pointing out what his problems are because, not to be mean, but honestly if you sit down and listen, it should be fairly obvious. Instead, I'm going to spend time creating a "Plan" that will really help him (or anyone really) improve as a caster. 1) Sit down (possibly with a friend or two) and listen to one of your casted games. Criticize yourself and take notes on everything it is that you say/do that doesn't sound like it should. It is VERY important that you be as specific as possible about what it is that is bad, and the correct way it should be. BE SPECIFIC. 2) Download a VOD from an already well-received caster; preferably one that fits your style of commentating. What is it that they do that sounds so good and natural? What do they do that you do not? What styles, tricks, techniques etc.. that you personally can utilize in your casting? write everything down and BE SPECIFIC. 3) Download a football, basketball, or baseball game and listen to the casters. Again, what is it that they do that sounds so good and natural? What do they do that you do not? What styles, tricks, techniques etc.. that you personally can utilize in your casting? write it down and BE SPECIFIC. 4) Practice. Load up a game, and cast it over and over and over again. Do it until the entire game sounds EXACTLY how you want it to sound. Once you've got it perfect, download another game, and repeat the process. Keep doing this over and over. Be relentless. The first game you cast will take many many tries to get perfect, but the next game will be less difficult. If you keep doing this, I guarantee you will eventually be casting every game perfectly the FIRST time. Just sit down and practice this as rigorously as you do starcraft, and you'll be pro in not time. You might even notice that the plan I outline is exactly the same way most people get good at Starcraft. i.e. watch pro players, download replays, practice build orders etc... Why is this? Because getting good at anything is really about two simple rules: 1) Perfect practice makes perfect 2) Success leaves clues; follow them. GL HF I look forward to better casting! | ||
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wzzit
United States201 Posts
On April 26 2011 04:59 thisisSSK wrote: Nope. Gretorp provides almost no useful analysis (although he has improved since the beginning). incontrol is very cerebral and has been showing his improvement with pretty good tournament results while Gretorp has been sucking pretty badly (I rarely see him in any tournament and if I do, he does terrible). Sure, incontrol can improve, but if its just Gretorp, then my brain will be dumbed down too much by his casting. "Almost no useful analysis," really? Did you not see the games yesterday? Gretorp correctly predicted what would happen on multiple occasions. His analysis of Terran-related play is excellent. Also, I don't see how it makes sense to criticize a guy's analytical skills based on his tournament results. Artosis and Day9 have posted almost zero tournament results, but nobody complains about their analytical abilities. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4736 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:46 rotegirte wrote: To be fair, then you may not enjoy Day[9] casting as well.. It's definitely something that bugs me with his casting, yes. And Artosis while we are at it. But that's not me bashing on everyone in sight, it's just a personal preference thing. I can recognize that these guys are doing a good job, even when I don't like specific patterns in their casting. | ||
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thisisSSK
United States179 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:50 wzzit wrote: "Almost no useful analysis," really? Did you not see the games yesterday? Gretorp correctly predicted what would happen on multiple occasions. His analysis of Terran-related play is excellent. Also, I don't see how it makes sense to criticize a guy's analytical skills based on his tournament results. Artosis and Day9 have posted almost zero tournament results, but nobody complains about their analytical abilities. I said he has improved... but its certainly not "excellent." Also, his casting style can get really annoying: he calls every single play an AMAZING play and he uses the same words over and over, and when he tries some new words/grammar, he botches it. | ||
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wzzit
United States201 Posts
On April 26 2011 06:12 thisisSSK wrote: I said he has improved... but its certainly not "excellent." Also, his casting style can get really annoying: he calls every single play an AMAZING play and he uses the same words over and over, and when he tries some new words/grammar, he botches it. Again, I think you should judge his casting based on his recent games, not his old ones. He doesn't exaggerate or force the excitement anymore, and you can tell he's picking his words quite carefully. I haven't seen him fumble his words in recent casts. His analysis is objectively excellent. Last night, he correctly predicted the action many times; he called Idra's Kyrix-style all-in, Sen's roach/bling play, etc. well before they happened. The bigger problem is that incontrol and gretorp are clearly both color commentators. They need to supplement their casts with a play-by-play guy. | ||
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BSNDUDE
Canada7 Posts
Keep doing what you are doing gretorp and incontrol you both are awesome. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 26 2011 06:31 BSNDUDE wrote: Give gretorp and incontrol a chance to form a chemistry. It's already happening. Compare day1 to now huge improvement. I for one enjoy them both. NASL get's better daily and it's kind of a downer to read some of these posts coming from people. Expecting it to be flawless like a korean gaming stream they have been doing it for years where as NASL just started. Keep doing what you are doing gretorp and incontrol you both are awesome. Yeah, people seem to have short memories. It was only four to six months ago when Artosis and Tasteless were still staring desperately at the camera trying to fill time with coffee talk and gibberish, or begging their new observer to spot the 6 orbitals in Boxer's main. Both Gretorp and InControl are good at casting, but it's obvious they're still trying to get comfortable as on-camera personalities. The only solution really is practice, practice, practice. | ||
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thisisSSK
United States179 Posts
On April 26 2011 06:20 wzzit wrote: Again, I think you should judge his casting based on his recent games, not his old ones. He doesn't exaggerate or force the excitement anymore, and you can tell he's picking his words quite carefully. I haven't seen him fumble his words in recent casts. His analysis is objectively excellent. Last night, he correctly predicted the action many times; he called Idra's Kyrix-style all-in, Sen's roach/bling play, etc. well before they happened. The bigger problem is that incontrol and gretorp are clearly both color commentators. They need to supplement their casts with a play-by-play guy. I feel like I exaggerated too much, as is often the problem with the interwebs. I don't have a huge problem with Gretorp, but I don't think that cutting incontrol out is the best solution. Maybe rotating Gretorp and Incontrol individually out with other casters on different days? For example on Wednesday have Gretorp + Khalador, the next day diggity + incontrol, etc. etc. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On April 26 2011 06:44 Defacer wrote: Yeah, people seem to have short memories. It was only four to six months ago when Artosis and Tasteless were still staring desperately at the camera trying to fill time with coffee talk and gibberish, or begging their new observer to spot the 6 orbitals in Boxer's main. Both Gretorp and InControl are good at casting, but it's obvious they're still trying to get comfortable as on-camera personalities. The only solution really is practice, practice, practice. Yeah tastosis fumbled around alot at first... but for some reason they were also super entertaining. It's because they have personal chemistry. Right from the start you could realize that. Incontrol and gretorp obviously have none. It's not their fault, it's just a really bad pairing. Incontrols excitment / humor falls completely flat when its reflected off the matte, dull personality that is gertorp. | ||
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wzzit
United States201 Posts
On April 26 2011 06:45 thisisSSK wrote: I feel like I exaggerated too much, as is often the problem with the interwebs. I don't have a huge problem with Gretorp, but I don't think that cutting incontrol out is the best solution. Maybe rotating Gretorp and Incontrol individually out with other casters on different days? For example on Wednesday have Gretorp + Khalador, the next day diggity + incontrol, etc. etc. Yeah, I totally agree. I think that Incontrol and Gretorp should be rotated with play-by-play guys (e.g., DJ wheat, Khaldor, etc.), because neither of them are honestly very good at calling the action - they always sound like they're forcing the excitement. Then again, the NASL is a 5 or 6-person startup, so they probably don't have the resources to add another permanent caster. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
I realize it will take some time to reach that level of polish and I'll continue to support because a lot of the games have been fantastic. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
It's not like we're a bunch of adults paying big money for a football game. We're all a bunch of kids playing a video game, so the idea you want professionalism just smacks of irony. Like the biggest group of trolls and nerds in the world suddenly want professionalism. el oh el. You got tasteosis, and day9. We get it, every other caster sucks and will never be as good. I think inControl is exactly what we need. It's not like we're going to get middle aged men here - this is esports, something totally new and not stolid at all. Incontrol is someone who can make it exciting. Don't get me wrong, I'm not singing the high praises for him here. It's just funny that out of maybe 20 people who can do this job, 17 of them suck, apparently. My opinion is that the caster should have a Starcraft Brood War background (and I never played Brood War by the way), and while it's preferable they were competitive at least at one point, as long as they are diamond skill level that's fine. I think Husky and HD are just fine. I don't think it's really necessary to be harping about who is better or worse as casters, and just focus on the games. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On April 26 2011 07:35 Belial88 wrote: It's not like we're a bunch of adults paying big money for a football game. We're all a bunch of kids playing a video game, so the idea you want professionalism just smacks of irony. Like the biggest group of trolls and nerds in the world suddenly want professionalism. el oh el. . I'm a 29 year old man with a good job. Professionalism is expected of me at my workplace and NASL has requested constructive criticism throughout this process. I've also paid for their service, so I am more than entitled to make non-trolling criticism. My only motivation is to make their service better and continue their success. | ||
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