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MorNin
Profile Joined June 2010
United States443 Posts
April 25 2011 19:13 GMT
#1481
On April 26 2011 04:01 iNcontroL wrote:
I FUCKING LOVE EG


Idra is alright the other guys on the team.. meh.... JK EG HWAITING!!!!!
pig-dude
Profile Joined March 2011
United States170 Posts
April 25 2011 19:14 GMT
#1482
On April 26 2011 04:13 BleaK_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 04:01 iNcontroL wrote:
I FUCKING LOVE EG


Haha! Don't mind the ragers Geoff, you're still the best!

Seeing things black and white (lovers/haters, supporters/ragers) is not going to help these guys when they receive constructive criticism.
Titilisk
Profile Joined March 2010
96 Posts
April 25 2011 19:15 GMT
#1483
On April 26 2011 04:01 iNcontroL wrote:
I FUCKING LOVE EG



Wow... just... Wow...
I don't know how many viewers you lost just there.
Haplo_33
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden383 Posts
April 25 2011 19:17 GMT
#1484
"GSL has a different bias -- it has _foreigner_ bias. And that I can understand, because Tastosis are casting primarily to a foreign, english-speaking audience."

Tasteless and Artosis have so much Bias is high-larious. I would argue that Gretorp and iNcontroll have less. I mean, did you ever watch any game that Boxer ever played in the GSL while the commentated?

"In my opinion iNcontrol is just "winging it" as a caster and it really shows, it's very unprofessional in my opinion."

Compared to who? I think he holds up well to most of the commentators. I prefer him to HD/Painuser/TotalBiscut. Artosis and Tasteless do a bit better at the moment, but that might have something to do with the 6 Seasons behind them. If we look at first Seaon GSL Tasteless/Artosis you can see the change they have made over that time.
Ensuring the security and efficacy of America's Cherry Coke supply system.
OTIX
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden491 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 19:20:15
April 25 2011 19:18 GMT
#1485
They still have the wrong aspect ratio on the stream. Squeezing 16:10 into 16;9.

Edit: Weird, getting wrong ratio on 480p but it's correct on 360p.
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 19:19:54
April 25 2011 19:19 GMT
#1486
On April 26 2011 04:13 Shahrazad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 04:10 Baarn wrote:
On April 26 2011 04:08 Shahrazad wrote:
On April 26 2011 04:05 MorNin wrote:
On April 26 2011 03:57 Shahrazad wrote:
Oh, and the EG bias is just unbearable. I don't care how many dates Incontrol has been on with Machine or whatever, it is no excuse for caster bias. Artosis seemingly hangs out with IdrA all the time, and I never could even detect that seed of bias when he covered IdrA games in the GSL. I think that EG bias is the thing most detracting from the tournament's professionalism...and don't even get me started on their manner of casting Incontrol's games!


BS on no Bias on the GSL.. lol

GSL has a different bias -- it has _foreigner_ bias. And that I can understand, because Tastosis are casting primarily to a foreign, english-speaking audience.


Oh right and that mancrush they have on Clide didn't happen either.

A "mancrush" is one thing. But the sort of bias I am indicating would only be possible in Tastosis' GSL casts if either (a) half of the archon were a participant in the specific tournament they were covering, or (b) sixjax players began to compete in GSL. I don't expect (a) to happen. (b) is a possibility given dde's fantastic skill and development; we will see.


Tasteless was manager for EG when Idra was playing in GSL. He even mentioned more than once that Idra was a teammate on stream. Nobody was up in arms over it. I'm failing to see your point. So what if Sixjax players participated in GSL? I wish them the best if they do.
There's no S in KT. :P
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
April 25 2011 19:21 GMT
#1487
On April 26 2011 04:18 OTIX wrote:
They still have the wrong aspect ratio on the stream. Squeezing 16:10 into 16;9.

Edit: Weird, getting wrong ratio on 480p but it's correct on 360p.


Yeah hopefully they fix that for this week's broadcast.
There's no S in KT. :P
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 19:26:20
April 25 2011 19:25 GMT
#1488
My main tip is to fix the lag problems. Perhaps another JTV stream could assist as there seem to be plenty with equal or larger viewerships that have no problems whatsoever - and at higher resolution too.

Honestly, what gives? Surely there is a good reason why the lag persists?
gibb
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden288 Posts
April 25 2011 19:31 GMT
#1489
The music is a bit loud in relation to the speech.
Manners.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 25 2011 19:36 GMT
#1490
On April 26 2011 04:09 Griffith` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 04:01 iNcontroL wrote:
I FUCKING LOVE EG


I don't really get what you're trying to accomplish anymore. You hype up NASL like its going to be completely amazing with phenomenal execution, how its going to rival GSL, etc. Someone points out a bias in your commentating then just you try to be funny and brush it off with a silly comment. How about you actually man-up for once and act like a gorilla as opposed to a silly carebear and address these concerns seriously.

I've lost interest in NASL given the past performance. The amount of sheer ego you guys have is astounding. You may think you are on-top of the world, but remember how you got there.

There are two types of princes, those who become princes by the favor of the nobles, and those by the favor of the people.

"He who obtains sovereignty by the assistance of the nobles maintains himself with more difficulty than he who comes to it by the aid of the people." --Machiavelli


Actually if you watch the NASL we engage this complaint many times.. I am biased. I am on EG. I love idra. I am a fan of non EG players as well. I am also not as big of a fan of other players.

There is in fact not a single caster on the sc2 scene that isn't biased. And no, none of them "hide" it either. To varying degrees some are more "biased" than others but every single commentator has a preferred player/map/race etc etc...

It's literally a joke that you can sit here and complain about my bias but then someone uses artosis as an example of a guy who hides his bias... when he puts LESS EFFORT than I do in hiding bias.. lol

So yeah, I make jokes You can get upset about as many things as you like... I can't really stop you. But I am having fun.. wish you would as well.
Angry_Fetus
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada444 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 19:43:16
April 25 2011 19:37 GMT
#1491
What's with all the hate on Incontrol? The guy is hilarious - some people need a sense of humour. The negligible bias hardly affects the casting, and often times I see Incontrol pointing out subtle flaws in his own teammates play without mercy.

I find Incontrol more enjoyable to watch from an entertainment standpoint as opposed to Tasteless/Artosis, they just have more to say in regards to gameplay. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Incontrol just has a different, more eccentric style. Give the man a break.
OhYess
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada41 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 19:40:02
April 25 2011 19:37 GMT
#1492
On April 26 2011 04:15 Titilisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 04:01 iNcontroL wrote:
I FUCKING LOVE EG



Wow... just... Wow...
I don't know how many viewers you lost just there.


None? He's showing support for his team. Unless that's bad, and cheering for your team should be shunned.

edit: And haha. Incontrol is hilarious. I don't know why you wouldn't want to watch him. Like he said, Artosis is also plainly biased, however, he's still one of the most amazing casters around. I see no problem with bias.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 19:43:45
April 25 2011 19:39 GMT
#1493
On April 26 2011 04:15 Titilisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 04:01 iNcontroL wrote:
I FUCKING LOVE EG



Wow... just... Wow...
I don't know how many viewers you lost just there.


If "titilisk" doesn't watch the NASL because I admitted I love my team then I would think that just fine.
gibb
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden288 Posts
April 25 2011 19:41 GMT
#1494

"Wow... just... Wow...
I don't know how many viewers you lost just there."

One.
Manners.
Klaus1986
Profile Joined April 2011
United States113 Posts
April 25 2011 19:41 GMT
#1495
The addition of the music is great. But it needs to be lowered a little bit during games and commentator chat. During breaks its fine.

Haven't missed a day of NASL yet! Keep up the good work guys. I think there are more people cheering for you then the loud dissenters would have you believe.
Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
April 25 2011 19:47 GMT
#1496
sound balance isnt fixed is it;
before it was 80/20 (left/right channel)
now its like 40/60
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 19:54:51
April 25 2011 19:51 GMT
#1497
On April 26 2011 04:09 Griffith` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 04:01 iNcontroL wrote:
I FUCKING LOVE EG


I don't really get what you're trying to accomplish anymore. You hype up NASL like its going to be completely amazing with phenomenal execution, how its going to rival GSL, etc. Someone points out a bias in your commentating then just you try to be funny and brush it off with a silly comment. How about you actually man-up for once and act like a gorilla as opposed to a silly carebear and address these concerns seriously.

I've lost interest in NASL given the past performance. The amount of sheer ego you guys have is astounding. You may think you are on-top of the world, but remember how you got there.

There are two types of princes, those who become princes by the favor of the nobles, and those by the favor of the people.

"He who obtains sovereignty by the assistance of the nobles maintains himself with more difficulty than he who comes to it by the aid of the people." --Machiavelli


First of all, if you're going to fault someone for being excited and promoting something, particularly if it's part of their job, than you do NOT have a problem with InControl. You have a problem with 80-90% of all of business in the Western world.

Second of all, everyone is biased.

And you know what offends me more than people that are biased? People that lie to themselves, have no sense of self-awareness whatsoever, and walk around convinced that they have a completely objective view of the world and aren't biased at all. They are so dogmatic they can't even judge themselves, let alone other people.

You bias against InControl right now, based on the many assumptions you've made about him and his character, is palatable.

And no, quoting Machiavelli does not make you seem more intelligent. It makes you seem pretentious and desperate. It's a stilted and tenuous reference that has little relevance to your argument or this topic.


EDIT: You know what, the above message is a little harsh.

The point is, it is MORE honest (and professional) for InControl to openly admit his love and support than his team, than to pretend that he is or can be unbiased.



Zedromas
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada112 Posts
April 25 2011 19:52 GMT
#1498
Honestly, I have seen almost every GSL game and I can barely stomach 20min of NASL.

The combination of Gretorp's terrible casting, +constant pre-recorded garbage that they seem to mix in randomly during the live events, +all the games I wanted to see got cancelled =no fun to watch.

Also, iNcontrol gets me about as pumped as a blow-up doll.

I think, overall, that NASL is suffering because we (the viewers), can smell the low production value from a mile away. Get two upbeat casters who can work off each other (Husky and Day9 TSL Casts anyone???), change the stupid backdrop behind the casters, turn up their Mic's and maybe, just maybe I'll watch some NASL.

But she said she was 18!!!!
Khanz
Profile Joined April 2010
France214 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 19:54:59
April 25 2011 19:53 GMT
#1499
Ok i really like both of their personnalities even khaldor, they are not bad at all with time they can improve really I wish you good luck, but please smile more
edit:typo
Don't worry, zombies eat brains. You're safe
SecondSandwich
Profile Joined July 2008
United States319 Posts
April 25 2011 19:53 GMT
#1500
I think one problem with the casting is that everyone keeps focusing on Gretorp. I think the real problem is inControl. Let me explain. Gretorp is there for analysis, that is basically his function. Yes, he could be (a lot) more spirited, but his purpose is not to add color with his personality. On the other hand, inControl's purpose is to add color, humor, and personality. I think the majority of the burden for making an entertaining cast lies on the color commentator. I do not think inControl can carry this burden. I think that if they got a new, entertaining color commentator to replace him, we would see a great improvement--much more than replacing Gretorp. Unfortunately, all the focus on Gretorp draws everyone's attention away from inControls faults, which are the true problem.

TL;DR: If you want to make a noticeable improvement in casting, it is inControl that needs to go, not Gretorp.
"Whatever [flash] says is the best, is the best" -Artosis i!i!i!i!i!Find Match!i!i!i!i!!i
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