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Tips you would give to help improve the NASL - Page 76
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StiX
Netherlands220 Posts
Anyone else agrees with my view? | ||
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thisisSSK
United States179 Posts
On April 26 2011 04:53 SecondSandwich wrote: I think one problem with the casting is that everyone keeps focusing on Gretorp. I think the real problem is inControl. Let me explain. Gretorp is there for analysis, that is basically his function. Yes, he could be (a lot) more spirited, but his purpose is not to add color with his personality. On the other hand, inControl's purpose is to add color, humor, and personality. I think the majority of the burden for making an entertaining cast lies on the color commentator. I do not think inControl can carry this burden. I think that if they got a new, entertaining color commentator to replace him, we would see a great improvement--much more than replacing Gretorp. Unfortunately, all the focus on Gretorp draws everyone's attention away from inControls faults, which are the true problem. TL;DR: If you want to make a noticeable improvement in casting, it is inControl that needs to go, not Gretorp. Nope. Gretorp provides almost no useful analysis (although he has improved since the beginning). incontrol is very cerebral and has been showing his improvement with pretty good tournament results while Gretorp has been sucking pretty badly (I rarely see him in any tournament and if I do, he does terrible). Sure, incontrol can improve, but if its just Gretorp, then my brain will be dumbed down too much by his casting. | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On April 26 2011 04:53 SecondSandwich wrote: I think one problem with the casting is that everyone keeps focusing on Gretorp. I think the real problem is inControl. Let me explain. Gretorp is there for analysis, that is basically his function. Yes, he could be (a lot) more spirited, but his purpose is not to add color with his personality. On the other hand, inControl's purpose is to add color, humor, and personality. I think the majority of the burden for making an entertaining cast lies on the color commentator. I do not think inControl can carry this burden. I think that if they got a new, entertaining color commentator to replace him, we would see a great improvement--much more than replacing Gretorp. Unfortunately, all the focus on Gretorp draws everyone's attention away from inControls faults, which are the true problem. TL;DR: If you want to make a noticeable improvement in casting, it is inControl that needs to go, not Gretorp. Good luck trying to get something going if everytime you say something funny, or create a situation that would lead to something funny, your co-caster does not pick up on it and focuses on the game. But yeah, that is just the way Gretorp rolls. Dont think either of them is to blame. | ||
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Titilisk
96 Posts
On April 26 2011 04:39 iNcontroL wrote: If "titilisk" doesn't watch the NASL because I admitted I love my team then I would think that just fine. Griffith said it all. On April 26 2011 04:09 Griffith` wrote: Someone points out a bias in your commentating then just you try to be funny and brush it off with a silly comment. How about you actually man-up for once and act like a gorilla as opposed to a silly carebear and address these concerns seriously. You're a clown, big guy. You didn't admit you loved your team, you just cristallised in a sentence how unprofessionnal you are, and that you don't give a damn. | ||
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Kisra
United Kingdom466 Posts
Any 'bias' is extremely light. Never have I heard a commentator say "Oh man this guy's pushing forth, I hope he gets slaughtered and humilated because my friend will win!" - they're always praising of everyone's victory and critical of their mistakes. If anything, I've seen iNc be more critical of his team-mates than anyone else. What is it about the so-called 'bias' that annoys you? I'm curious. They've never insulted anyone, or discredited anyone on the stream as far as I can tell. It feels like another case of people taking everything far too seriously. | ||
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towerranger
Austria134 Posts
so i came home from work today, happy as fuck, cuz idra played yesterday and i was hoping the vods are online by now. before i clicked on the videos tab i looked at the standings (right on the mainpage) and it spoilered me the whole game. srsly NASL team. this isnt just a simple mistake, this fucks viewers up. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 26 2011 04:52 Zedromas wrote: Honestly, I have seen almost every GSL game and I can barely stomach 20min of NASL. The combination of Gretorp's terrible casting, +constant pre-recorded garbage that they seem to mix in randomly during the live events, +all the games I wanted to see got cancelled =no fun to watch. Also, iNcontrol gets me about as pumped as a blow-up doll. I think, overall, that NASL is suffering because we (the viewers), can smell the low production value from a mile away. Get two upbeat casters who can work off each other (Husky and Day9 TSL Casts anyone???), change the stupid backdrop behind the casters, turn up their Mic's and maybe, just maybe I'll watch some NASL. I think the NASL is suffering because they are trying to do too much with too little money and too few people. The biggest problem -- and I hate to say it -- is the prize money. They basically all-in'ed themselves with that commitment. If they were giving away a $40,000 grand prize per season instead of $50,000, they would probably have enough contingency funds to address most of their technical issues. The second biggest problem is the schedule. Not even GSL has that ambitious a schedule, and the only reason they can pull it off is that all the players play onsite, and are localized (which puts significant limitations on the players, and their involvement in other tournaments). I don't know if a 20-man crew could make their schedule, with their player pool, work. As long as there's international players, its going to be a scheduling and broadcasting nightmare. It's probably the reason why you haven't heard the IPL mention any players outside of North America. If I were them, I would cast all the division games off replays, fine tune and refine their live casting capability in the background, and focus on making the top 16 LAN perfect. Meh. My two cents | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:04 Titilisk wrote: Griffith said it all. You're a clown, big guy. You didn't admit you loved your team, you just cristallised in a sentence how unprofessionnal you are, and that you don't give a damn. What about the people who don't give a shit about it? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45198 Posts
On April 26 2011 04:53 SecondSandwich wrote: I think one problem with the casting is that everyone keeps focusing on Gretorp. I think the real problem is inControl. Let me explain. Gretorp is there for analysis, that is basically his function. Yes, he could be (a lot) more spirited, but his purpose is not to add color with his personality. On the other hand, inControl's purpose is to add color, humor, and personality. I think the majority of the burden for making an entertaining cast lies on the color commentator. I do not think inControl can carry this burden. I think that if they got a new, entertaining color commentator to replace him, we would see a great improvement--much more than replacing Gretorp. Unfortunately, all the focus on Gretorp draws everyone's attention away from inControls faults, which are the true problem. TL;DR: If you want to make a noticeable improvement in casting, it is inControl that needs to go, not Gretorp. Why would the fault be more with iNcontroL? iNcontroL is better at analysis than Gretorp (he's a better player, plays more, and he does more coaching) and he's far funnier. Gretorp is the one who keeps messing up the predictions during the NASL games, seems pretty awkward at times, and can't mesh as well when he teams up with other commentators. iNcontroL is a far better caster, in my opinion. Granted, that's only a relative evaluation of them (as opposed to an absolute assessment). I'm not saying that Gretorp is terrible; I'm merely saying that iNcontroL is the better of the two. I think Gretorp is decent overall, but iNcontroL is a tier higher. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45198 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:09 Belial88 wrote: Okay, okay, I got a HUGE one. So we all know that because there are so many tournaments, VODs, and content out there, there is competition on what to watch. Well a big problem for me, is not only this, but I don't know what I'm really getting in to. There NEEDS to be a review site or something for all the content out there, something very similar to the GSL Reviews we get where they explain the games and give Recommended Games and Stars for what to watch. Please do this! We need like a team of people, or some kind of site, that does this. I'd love to watch the NASL but I don't know which match to watch! YEAH! If only there was a site that completely explained everything about the NASL! ( http://nasl.tv/ ) lol | ||
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Skittle
United States11 Posts
I don't know how many viewers you lost just there." Just you. Haven't a missed a day of NASL yet and I'm willing to bet the haters on here haven't either. If you're going to pass up Sen playing Boxer, Idra stomping Drewbie or any of LiquidTyler/InControl's play because the NASL is still working out the kinks, you're browsing the wrong forums. There's not a lot we can say about NASL that hasn't been posted and reposted so I'll just wait for the issues to get sorted out and keep on cheering. On the other hand, you have every right to be biased. EG is your team and of course you're going to want them to win. It's not like your support is going to make them insta-win. Hell, not cheering them on would be the joke. Casters grow on the community because they don't hide their personality. None of us would like Artosis and Tasteless if they sat there acting like neutral robots, calmly casting. Starcraft is exciting. You have the right to cheer and get excited and raise your voice. That aside, all I can say is don't change too much to conform to a fragment of the community's expectations. Instead be yourself and grow on them, It's the sign of an exceptional caster. Hell, even Gretorp has grown on me since the NASL started. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:09 Belial88 wrote: Okay, okay, I got a HUGE one. So we all know that because there are so many tournaments, VODs, and content out there, there is competition on what to watch. Well a big problem for me, is not only this, but I don't know what I'm really getting in to. There NEEDS to be a review site or something for all the content out there, something very similar to the GSL Reviews we get where they explain the games and give Recommended Games and Stars for what to watch. Please do this! We need like a team of people, or some kind of site, that does this. I'd love to watch the NASL but I don't know which match to watch! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=213112 Motbob has created this NASL VOD thread and it is easily the best resource for figuring out what to watch, with no spoilers. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:04 Titilisk wrote: Griffith said it all. You're a clown, big guy. You didn't admit you loved your team, you just cristallised in a sentence how unprofessionnal you are, and that you don't give a damn. Titilisk ... So he said he loved his team. Which is about as controversial as admitting you love your own mother. You make it sound like InControl showed up to work high as a kite with a hooker on each arm. Dude, I'm sorry, but the reason why InControl isn't taking you seriously is because your criticism can't be taken seriously. It's kind of dumb. And you seem to actually have a vendetta against InControl, who I'm assuming is a virtual stranger to you. | ||
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maganez
United States23 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:04 Titilisk wrote: Griffith said it all. You're a clown, big guy. You didn't admit you loved your team, you just cristallised in a sentence how unprofessionnal you are, and that you don't give a damn. A bit harsh response but I agree on the non-professional response, especially with the use of the foul language as a spokeperson and NASL employee. | ||
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On April 26 2011 04:15 Titilisk wrote: Wow... just... Wow... I don't know how many viewers you lost just there. if you think that that's such a big deal, enough to complain about it then why would they want you to watch? you'd prolly just end up being one of the idiots in the chat that the mods have to deal with | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:17 maganez wrote: A bit harsh response but I agree on the non-professional response, especially with the use of the foul language as a spokeperson and NASL employee. Goddamnit I am sick and tired of this posing, professionalism bullshit. I want real people, not slick, robotic and stale PR idiots. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
I bet there would be quite a lot of europeans paying for HD access if you could use PayPal and implementing it into a site is not really that hard, so what is taking you/jtv so long? :-/ | ||
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DuneBug
United States668 Posts
The dynamic I perceive most of the time is gretorp is trying to do analysis and play by play and then inControl makes a sly joke or meme reference. Gretorp seems like a really nice guy but probably not the wittiest or most sarcastic, and so some of the jokes go over his head which creates this really awkward "whats that mean" moment. Anyway. Gretorps doing great i can't believe anyone is hat on inghim. He's providing solid analysis of maps and builds, especially for terran play. He should defer to Geoff about most protoss stuff for obvious reasons. And it is always interesting to hear Geoff's point of view about zerg/anything from his experiences in Brood War. I am pretty happy that both of them are top tier players and it shows when they cast. And I agree Geoff is probably better than Gretorp although we won't know til they fight it out. Which would be awesome btw. Neither of them "Need to go". Besides Day9 & Artosis I can't imagine anyone I'd really prefer to see up there. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:22 Klonere wrote: Goddamnit I am sick and tired of this posing, professionalism bullshit. I want real people, not slick, robotic and stale PR idiots. I think people here abuse the word 'professional'. They don't understand what it means, and it all depends on the context whether someone is being professional or not. I work in an office. And I can tell all these whiners in here right now, if I criticized my peers and contractors for not standing up straight or wearing a blazer or joking around on occasion, I would be considered a stupid asshole and immediately fired. | ||
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