EPTTips you would give to help improve the NASL - Page 79
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dmillz
Canada270 Posts
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ManaO
Italy185 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:04 Titilisk wrote: Griffith said it all. You're a clown, big guy. You didn't admit you loved your team, you just cristallised in a sentence how unprofessionnal you are, and that you don't give a damn. Geez people, it looks like we're discussing wether iNcontrol should be elected as president of the United States of America by looking at how people are picking on little sentences they say like if it was politics... if you're frustrated IRL go punch a wall or throw dishes out of the window, get your smartass attitude out of here :\ I for one say that NASL needs a lot of improvements, especially given all the hype there was around it and the big money in the line, but i'm not gonna tell someone he's a clown for one sentence he said on a forum... as I said that's politics cmon Don't get me wrong, nasl is ok but again with all the money and hype it looks like they started on a "let's see how it goes" basis and are fixing errors (Technical or not) on the way, instead of trying to get them right in the beginning (hiring / asking professionals what the usual issues are). Which would be ok with any tournament, not a big one as this one is. Without talking abot the VoDs not having a "select quality" option - if I want to watch a game I have to load it a week before  Anyway keep up the job it'll sure reach a point where it's gonna be very good Edit: There is one thing I have to openly criticize iNcontrol for tho... having your personal stream up during NASL. That doesen't show how much you (obviously) care about NASL, given nasl had what, 3k viewers and your stream had 1.5k | ||
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Fries
United States124 Posts
On April 27 2011 03:02 willoc wrote: El oh el? I think you are mistaken: you are a kid watching a video game. Don't be assuming about the rest of us kid. And if you really are of that mentality then watching Husky casts on youtube should be sufficient for you. These tournaments are serious business with emphasis on the business part. In the end, when you pay for something, you should demand professionalism. Yet the vast majority are placing emphasis on the serious part. I personally have no interest in watching the equivalent of a golf broadcast for Starcraft 2. If that interests the community truly, then maybe the community should start it's own super serious starcraft 2 league hosted by Bryant Gumbel. I don't think anyone claiming the "lack of professionalism" is holding back the starcraft 2 scene from a more universal appeal is really thinking this through. Even if you put Gretorp and InControl into suits and ties and make them talk like their on NPR, it's still going to be a broadcast of a video game that involves little units murdering each other in bloody messes. So I think then we can all agree that, since that might offend some people, it would be best as well for them to turn off violence in the game. Maybe it's time to recognize that their are some inherent differences between professional SC2 and other current spectator sports and realize that this also means that maybe treating it differently isn't the worst idea. And finally, professional, last I looked, is not synonymous with joyless. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On April 27 2011 03:02 willoc wrote: El oh el? I think you are mistaken: you are a kid watching a video game. Don't be assuming about the rest of us kid. And if you really are of that mentality then watching Husky casts on youtube should be sufficient for you. These tournaments are serious business with emphasis on the business part. In the end, when you pay for something, you should demand professionalism. You don't need to be a jerk about it, I already stated I'm no kid - I've already graduated, am a working professional, and have a family. We are all watching these games because we are youthful, and if that just makes no sense to you then you are clearly trolling. This isn't exactly Chess or golf we're watching here - it's a video game. It's not exactly the most adult thing in the world. And to me, that's the beauty of it. | ||
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Monasou
United States218 Posts
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typedef struct
United States84 Posts
This has some downsides: 1. Can sound pretentious 2. You can be wrong, and look bad 3. You can be right, but make your players look bad Try to instead state things from the point of view of the player: "He's doing A because he wants X" or "He's doing A, but he needs to be careful because Y might happen" or "From this position, he can do A or B. It looks like he's doing A, which can be good it X happens, but if Y happens, he could be in trouble" etc. Instead of focusing on your opinion of the action, focus on what's going through the players mind, and why the are/aren't making certain decisions. Also, like others before have said, the Play-by-Play caster + Analysis caster is a tried and true model. You both tend to fall in the middle. This is probably something you'll just need to feel out as you go. Keep up the good work. | ||
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ArhK
France287 Posts
Right now I would definitely rather prefer hear only Gretorp, then hearing Gretorp fine, and the next seconds being trully shocked by how poor quality the other caster's mic is. Also, I am pretty sure it has been said thousands times by now, but I am just discovering it all since I bought the pass 3 days ago, all the streams of the first week (I didn't check every single one of them truthfully, just 5-6 of them) are completely lagged. And NO, this is not me. IPL runs perfectly, same for the vods of the second week, but the first week is lagging every 2 seconds or so, just unwatchable....  .Again, everything would be free, I would go past the sound problems, the glitch on the first vods and all, but I just spent 20 dollars, hoping to enjoy Artosis vs Sheth, and all that jazz, and it is just not possible. This, plus the AWFUL sound of Week Two D5's other caster motivated me enough to explain what's shocking me here. Edit : The other caster is Khaldor. He seems to be in some sort of a studio, I don't get even more why the sound is that awful. | ||
Chill
Calgary25991 Posts
On April 28 2011 00:34 typedef struct wrote: Both casters have a tendency to structure analysis in the form "He's doing A, I like/don't like this because X". This has some downsides: 1. Can sound pretentious 2. You can be wrong, and look bad 3. You can be right, but make your players look bad Try to instead state things from the point of view of the player: "He's doing A because he wants X" or "He's doing A, but he needs to be careful because Y might happen" or "From this position, he can do A or B. It looks like he's doing A, which can be good it X happens, but if Y happens, he could be in trouble" etc. Instead of focusing on your opinion of the action, focus on what's going through the players mind, and why the are/aren't making certain decisions. Also, like others before have said, the Play-by-Play caster + Analysis caster is a tried and true model. You both tend to fall in the middle. This is probably something you'll just need to feel out as you go. Keep up the good work. This is good advice and I'm stealing it | ||
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ArhK
France287 Posts
For what it worth, I am totally second that. But before going to this kind of details, please, please fix the awfully obvious details about the sounds, and the lagging vods of the first weeks. I also noticed the matter regarding the content of the commentary, mostly Incontrol was doing that if I recall correctly, spending a lot of time stating things like "Oh I really don't like that, hum, well..." instead of adopting a kinda neutral position, explaining the in and outs of his feeling. For a very good example, refer to Artosis which is doing that in a really perfect manner. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
Immediately as you log on there's this slick sort of highlights thing on the front page, which right now has a player spotlight on Select and a recap of Moon v Grubby and hype for their rivalry which apparently exists(?), it's got the schedule below that and the standings next to it, and immediately from the perspective of someone who dabbled in website design, it's really quite good. Slick, professional; clearly the guys who they hired to do this know what they're doing. But the best bit is when you go to the standings for the divisions, all the information is so accessible that it kind of blows my mind. I went to Tylers division, found he was 1-1 with 0 points, clicked his full profile and got a badass photo, a full player profile (about 2 paragraphs worth), his standings, the date, time and opponent of his next match, and his previous matches. You click on the previous match and it gives you the photos of, in this instance, Tyler and Drewbie with a big DEFEATED over the loser, and the VODS are arranged at the bottom. I know it's a just a website but I would recommend anyone who has found it hard to get excited about NASL to start going to it, find your favourite players and follow the tournament by the website and not just log onto TL and check the LR threads for results. It really does make a difference to how excited I am for the upcoming matches because it can be kind of daunting to see all the hundreds of games to be played in this league popping up on liquibet, but with this fucking sick interface it's so easy to find matches to look forward to and players to follow. And I've just seen they've hired writers to do recaps! I don't want to gush but seriously this is pretty awesome http://nasl.tv/. | ||
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Tuna301
United States23 Posts
TLDR; Show the highlights of the match with commentary after each match. | ||
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Lolsss
England106 Posts
On April 28 2011 00:34 typedef struct wrote: Both casters have a tendency to structure analysis in the form "He's doing A, I like/don't like this because X". This has some downsides: 1. Can sound pretentious 2. You can be wrong, and look bad 3. You can be right, but make your players look bad Try to instead state things from the point of view of the player: "He's doing A because he wants X" or "He's doing A, but he needs to be careful because Y might happen" or "From this position, he can do A or B. It looks like he's doing A, which can be good it X happens, but if Y happens, he could be in trouble" etc. Instead of focusing on your opinion of the action, focus on what's going through the players mind, and why the are/aren't making certain decisions. Also, like others before have said, the Play-by-Play caster + Analysis caster is a tried and true model. You both tend to fall in the middle. This is probably something you'll just need to feel out as you go. Keep up the good work. holy shit. possibly the best thing i've read on TL. like chill said. all casters please consider this. and just to make my post semi-bannable to be like the rest of my posts. i really dislike the sound of gretorps monotone voice, nothing personal but i just find it really difficult to listen to him for more than 1 series. Sorry! | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On April 28 2011 09:02 Tuna301 wrote: I was up last night after the Lakers had played their game and as I was watching the postgame I figured NASL could take a few tips from what the professionals do in terms of analysis after the game. After each game they will not only review the highlights but point out why each play was so amazing while showing the play.Talking about the highlights without showing them can get monotonous and boring but showing what people tune in to see over gets people excited and creates lasting moments that the viewers will remember. TLDR; Show the highlights of the match with commentary after each match. I think it's a good idea but I also think that's a lot harder than it sounds to do that, mostly because it'd be quite time consuming without the manpower that sports tv stations have. | ||
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[RS]Fuchs
76 Posts
 -don´t "flip" the screen ... not as funny as you thought -pls improve scene cutting | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
whats wrong with you guys? When you browse this thread you get the feeling many guys think this projekt is there personal enemy. This have nothing to do with ciritic or suggestion to improve. How did this start? Its just a show that try to entertain you. if your not entertained than dont watch it. But perhaps this is not bad for the nasl. I once read a rule of entertain marketing: -fans watch most of your shows, haters watch them all-. To the question: "this game is over" , "looks like gg": If you have more understanding of the game, you know that the casters say this 5 min after the game is allready over. I dont like caster that lie to me and screeming over a 200 sup vs 100 sup battle. Fact is 90% of all sc2 games are over after half of the game time. the 2. half is only "playing it out". I think casters must find a way between more and less skilled watchers and i think nasl did this good so far. after/before game analyse: On one hand a analyse of the replay would be nice but on the other hand the big breaks in other tournements and the total pointless smalltalk of the casters between the games really annoys me. So when they make somthing between games they should make it fast and dont do smalltalk in it. There is enough time to talk shit in the first 5 min of the game ^^. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
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x6Paramore
Canada130 Posts
Objectivity is pretty key in what I just mentioned as well. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On April 28 2011 10:14 Sm3agol wrote: I'm going to say one more time............Wear a farking dress shirt instead of a graphic tee. Looks so stupid imo. A well fitting suit/tie/dress shirt is SOOOO professional looking, and I'm pretty sure that's what they're going for. why do so many people think buissnes clothes make you professional? even guy who wear buissnes clothes in buissnes dont thinks this... Is this a american thing? They are caster for a computer game. do you guys feel less nerdy when someone in a suit talks to you? Do you think a professinal car racer must wear a suit in his car so that everyone see how professinal he is? do you realy think people say: this is prof. and this not only because a guy wears a suit or not? professinal means that you know what your doing and that you are good in it and that you own money with it. nothing more nothing less. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On April 28 2011 10:14 Sm3agol wrote: I'm going to say one more time............Wear a farking dress shirt instead of a graphic tee. Looks so stupid imo. A well fitting suit/tie/dress shirt is SOOOO professional looking, and I'm pretty sure that's what they're going for. The t-shirt blazer combo is like...the THING for SC casters now. I dunno why or when it got decided, but that's just what they wear now I guess. I'd prefer just shirts and no blazers. But that's just me. | ||
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