EPTTips you would give to help improve the NASL - Page 81
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 28 2011 15:14 Modernist wrote: I love what you guys are doing, but I do have one complaint. You guys are letting the criticism get to you and it's coming out during the cast. Today's cast in particular was especially sarcastic and it just rubbed me the wrong way. It made it less enjoyable. I could care less about what people are criticizing you for (bias or whatever it was you guys were going on about). I just want some good commentary and funny banter with my SC2.  Considering they have about a zillion more games to cast, I think it's good for their sanity to let off some steam, loosen up, and entertain us with biting, hilarious sarcasm. Obviously, I don't expect them to cast like this during the playoffs like, but I think them finally getting their chips back on their shoulders is a good thing. Confidence is huge part of casting well. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1598 Posts
If they are you need to pressure them to fix this VOD setup and format. 1. Account should have a setting where you can choose the quality a video will be loaded at launch. 2. Users click on X vs Y then choose between each match 1,2,3 ect for longer series. 3. You should be able to switch the quality of the VODs. 4. Complete VODs should be posted I've loaded 2 recently that only showed match 1 perhaps it is fixed now though. 5. JTV should work on their vod streaming. I stream 1080P quite a bit with only about 3 minutes of buffer time whereas on JTV even if I buffer to 50% sometimes I still catch up. My internet is not poor, and perhaps it is something with my current setup and JTV's site, but that seems a bit extreme. This would also be avoided if I could watch the video in 360P | ||
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lolsixtynine
United States600 Posts
A more minor suggestion: when you watch the GSL, there's almost always immediately music after the match. It really makes the ending of a match feel exciting when the commentators are yelling "AND THERE'S THE GG" and it goes straight into music. There have been several times when watching the NASL where it just felt really flat after incontrol was excited about the GG, it just cuts to incontrol and gretorp and it's silent for a few seconds. I think music would really help to make that better. On April 28 2011 11:33 rwarriar wrote: Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but a quick little fix would be hiding the control groups and menu bars displays for the observer. Makes the game look cleaner . Also hiding all of the display during big battles would be nice.Please don't hide the display unless it's really obvious that you should - it's much more often just annoying to not be able to see the minimap. | ||
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ValiantGood
56 Posts
I'm not gonna lie, I expect this on my T.V. in 1-2 years time. About casting: You guys are on point, but again with this hype. Get us hyped for the next game. I see wayyyy too much "well idra is next, that should be good." That shouldn't happen. It should be like: ***game1 of Artosis vs Moon artosis FE's and.. OMG -What? IDRA VS KIWIKAKI NEXT, ITS GONNA BE EPIC Maybe not that enthusiastic, but I need to know what is coming up next and why I should be interested in it... before the current match is done. So.. in short: Hype, Starcraft, Hype Hype Hype Starcraft Hype. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On April 28 2011 11:58 Bizarro252 wrote: INDEED! It is NOT me, it is them, doesn;t even seem like a JustinTV problem since most of the time the audio keep going but the video is frozen and or skipping. Sometimes it will just cut, and jump a few seconds ahead and distort the sound into some high pitch clicky crap for a second. I have a 9 MBPS internet and it does this at 1080p, 720p, and 420p, havnt tried any worse quality since if it is still doing it at 420 then going down more probably wont fix it. I have NO ISSUES streaming IGN at 1080p so wtf NASL>????? It also messes up now and then on the VODs, live today was almost unwatchable at all qualities... FIX IT PLEASE, for our sake and yours!!! EDIT: And this, please, O my God, seriously have to turn my sound up way higher than anything else I watch, and then it is still quiet until they scream and then my speakers want to explode. I have a 100mbps and i still have the same problem with stream lag that you are talking about. Its really annoying and i know its not my internet because i can stream in blueray quality and sound without buffering, and although the picture for NASL looks decent it is defenetly not blueray quality. I dunno maybe you guys havent properly compressed the files, i know your on a tight time line but if your not compressing the files at all then thats probably where the problem lies. The fact that the sound quality is pretty terrible as well as the framerate means that there is no way this should be lagging unless it has to do with something on your guys end, either JTV, or compression / encoding problems. | ||
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truthless
Sweden120 Posts
I have no issues with the commentary and the general presentation (I realize not everyone can be Tastosis), but the quality of the audio and the smoothness of the video really needs to be fixed asaply. | ||
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
edit: Not talking about the casters, they're fine, it's the editing and putting together of the games. | ||
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Noak3
United States236 Posts
They need to watch some ESPN and other popular channels/shows that show commentators and base their layout off that. | ||
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Kerm
France467 Posts
Hope your folks can work on the sound setup. Also the complaint on the stage design are valid, the caster could have a nicer-looking surrounding As a positive note, i noticed a real improvement from the casters how those weeks, so Keep it up folks | ||
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HoodedAvatar
Canada115 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On April 28 2011 17:01 Noak3 wrote: I feel like it's alot more about the color choices and aesthetic layout of the casting table than people realize. The dark grey cave that Incontrol and Gretorp casts from right now looks completely unprofessional and with nothing to spice it up, it makes them look like two guys who decided to make a video of themselves casting in their basement and post it on youtube instead of a full-fledged money-backed production. They need to watch some ESPN and other popular channels/shows that show commentators and base their layout off that. Like casting in front of a green screen that has some moving graphic with their logo on it? | ||
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openbox1
1393 Posts
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On April 28 2011 17:01 Noak3 wrote: I feel like it's alot more about the color choices and aesthetic layout of the casting table than people realize. The dark grey cave that Incontrol and Gretorp casts from right now looks completely unprofessional and with nothing to spice it up, it makes them look like two guys who decided to make a video of themselves casting in their basement and post it on youtube instead of a full-fledged money-backed production. They need to watch some ESPN and other popular channels/shows that show commentators and base their layout off that. Ive said the same thing multiple times, i dont know how their casting room could get anymore plain, its all grey, nothing on the tables with an NASL sign behind them. I think the only way it could be any more plain is if they were just sitting in chairs in a dark room. Honestly they need to do something about that, since its not a live show you better have something interesting to look at when you go to the casters, otherwise may as well make it like IPL and TSL and not show the casters, i would actually prefer they do that with their current set up. Like someone else said above i feel pretty gipped with paying 25 dollars as well. The 1080p that runs at 10-15 fps is inexcusable, I would way prefer say GOMTV quality with a smooth stream they advertised how much better the stream was going to be than GOM i just dont see it, sure it looks nice when its paused but when you actually watch it between the sound quality (horrendous) the production value (very mediocre) and the video quality as a whole, gom stream is looking better and better. Honestly i didnt expect it to be GSL quality but i expected at least half of that =/ I get so excited to watch the GSL everyday but NASL its pretty hit and miss for me I defenetly dont follow it like i do the GSL the games dont seem like they mean enough nothing is on the line in the first round and thats part of the problem with this format, sure it might be better for the players but its far less exciting for the viewers. In each round in code A there is something important, round of 32 you lose and your out of the GSL, round of 16 you lose and you dont make it to the up and down matches , round of 8 you lose and your going to be bottom of the barrel for picks for the up and down matches, and semi finals and finals are pretty self explanatory. Also Im pretty dissapointed with some of the player choices , it just wasnt a good idea to invite artosis you should have made him play some games or something to see where he was at first, i love the guy, but i would say he probably has the lowest skill level in the league, it doesnt help that he is playing from korea either. There are a few other players that have the same troubles but honestly no one has gotten rolled as bad in their games as artosis has, i wouldnt be saying this if he had taken a game off someone and was still 0-3 or if he had looked like he stood a chance in any of the games he played, but IMO he really hasnt and its disheartening but he only switched races recently and he hasnt had much time to play that should be a red flag right there for a reason not to invite someone to the league especially because alot of good players were left out still that would have had a really good shot at going far in this league. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 28 2011 17:16 openbox1 wrote: Wish IGN had scooped up the sponsers and players that NASL did. Then we could have had a proper League. Kinda unlucky for both players and viewers. IGN has done nothing but prove they host a solid invitational with pre-recorded games and decent graphics and audio. It's not unlucky at all. IGN could have run a tournament the size and scope of the NASL, but they didn't have the balls to and are mitigating their risk by testing the market and product. NASL dove in, for better or worse, and are trying to hit the ground running. Your assumption that IGN would automatically do a better job than the NASL is just that -- an assumption. There is no guarantee that they would throw more money and staff at it, or even consider it a worthwhile investment. There's a chance that, if, they wanted to match NASL's breadth and schedule, they would have to radically reduce their production values as well. Or if they wanted to maintain the same production values, broadcast less games per week. I expect IGN 's first official season to be a radically different product from the NASL, and not necessarily better or worse. | ||
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EMIYA
United States433 Posts
On April 28 2011 15:13 x6Paramore wrote: You are kind of missing the point. Its good to be critical on things like objective analysis and attention to detail. Its bad to be critical because you have a particular opinion on something that others might not share. Alot of it really does come down to phrasing. "I felt this was bad" = You felt. "This may have been a bad decision" = carefully constructed sentence to convey that some may think it was a bad decision". I like game analysis. I like it when a commentator says... "You know, if he had just stopped mining gas, he may have had some extra minerals to perhaps build a spinecrawler to deal with this 4gate push" As opposed to "The zerg clearly should have stopped mining gas, that way he would have held the 4gate off". You can't make that judgement. Maybe the 4gate would have won regardless due to superior micro. So it'd be nice if commentary was more objective and your preconceptions about other players were checked at the door. We don't care if you have beef or if you are the greatest fan. Not saying that you shouldn't have an opinion. Just don't make it the majority of your commentary, which you do now. This guy's posts are perfect. He knows what hes talking about. All his points are stuff that I'd like to see, and as a follower of GSL aswell I can tell he's been taking notes on how casting goes at its highest level. | ||
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outerspace02
United States136 Posts
On April 28 2011 17:32 Defacer wrote: IGN has done nothing but prove they host a solid invitational with pre-recorded games and decent graphics and audio. bitter much? NASL's games are pre-recorded also IGN probably chose their schedule because it was what they felt they could handle while maintaining a vivid and interesting product one of the biggest complaints about the NASL is its unnecessary length (which is almost definitely cutting into the overall production value) | ||
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outerspace02
United States136 Posts
On April 28 2011 14:58 iNcontroL wrote: We've been called too complementary. Honestly you are the first to call us "overly critical." Frankly I think both are fine Thx though! good to see this thread is going to good use lmao | ||
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typingit
97 Posts
Looking at my firewall, Jtv is providing me with 10-80kb/sec on the VODs, right now I opened Haypro's stream on Jtv(first stream I saw) and I'm getting a steady 300kb/sec live. I also just downloaded the new iRacing update a few minutes ago at 900kb/sec too. So it's not my internet speed. | ||
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
But even though there is no big problem, there are a lot of small ones. The first that comes to mind is audio quality, why if random streamers from TL can have good sound quality and balance the game sounds/music/voice fine can't NASL, a profesionnal tourney backed up by quite a bit of money, do the same? Second is the image, the colors are washed out, is this that hard to work out as well? I'm kind of baffled that small things like that are a problem in the first place, that I have never seen on other tournament streams. Lags can be a JTV problem, or not, and can be fixed. I'm not going to judge on casters, except for the fact that it does seem sometimes as if they favor one player over the other. It's all small stuff that hampers the final product and don't make me want to buy a season pass. Hope everything is worked out and the NASL comes out to be something totally awesome. Edit : Spelling mistakes, sorry for my broken english. | ||
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