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On April 28 2011 16:47 truthless wrote:
I paid $25 for the HD ticket, and I sort of regret it. The HD is 1080p and the fps is horrible. I would rather have 720p with a steady 30fps than the 1080p with like 10-15 fps that it's currently at. Not only that, but the audio seems to suffer greatly, with sound in general being very low kbps and sometimes just coming out of one speaker.
I would like to know how to get a refund too. Unfortunately, the NASL doesn't even respond to customer e-mails - it's like once they get your $25, they don't give a damn about you. Just don't continue your subscription in Season 2.
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On April 28 2011 16:47 truthless wrote:
I paid $25 for the HD ticket, and I sort of regret it. The HD is 1080p and the fps is horrible. I would rather have 720p with a steady 30fps than the 1080p with like 10-15 fps that it's currently at. Not only that, but the audio seems to suffer greatly, with sound in general being very low kbps and sometimes just coming out of one speaker.
Sorry to hear that, I subscribed yesterday and my 1080p was smooth as anything, and the sound was much improved since the first week.
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I found last night's casting to be much more enjoyable than I found it previously.
I really would like to see the split VODs more organised/up faster, rather than having to pick through the main stream.
For that matter, I have had many issues of lag, even on lowest settings possible, even when using a wired connection at carnegie mellon. I would assume this is more an issue with justin.tv, however.
Although I do think I'm just going to drop money on only gsl in the future -_-''
Oh, I also haven't been able to access the main site for ~24 hours now
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On April 28 2011 16:47 truthless wrote:
I paid $25 for the HD ticket, and I sort of regret it. The HD is 1080p and the fps is horrible. I would rather have 720p with a steady 30fps than the 1080p with like 10-15 fps that it's currently at. Not only that, but the audio seems to suffer greatly, with sound in general being very low kbps and sometimes just coming out of one speaker.
I agree with this, having good fps is more important. If you are use to having higher fps going down to 15 or so you notice it really well. And its not my computer being slow. The stream just dont flow as well as it should. Which is one of the reasons I stopped looking at NASL.
But I dont regret my 25 bux for the HD pass. Hopefully that can help improve things to the next season. The NASL has a lot of intresting players, nice with a more international playerbase.
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I think Incontrol and Gretorp are doing quite well.
Only problems I have is with the sound, Gretorp often speaks as if his microphone is far away from him and the voices seem out of sync with the video a little.
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On April 28 2011 19:55 Zandar wrote:
I think Incontrol and Gretorp are doing quite well.
Only problems I have is with the sound, Gretorp often speaks as if his microphone is far away from him and the voices seem out of sync with the video a little.
Today they tried to be funny during the Rainbow vs. TLO games and it didnt work. Some people can be funny (like TLO), but others can only make mean jokes (like iNcontrol). It totally didnt work (because they practically announced the joke beforehand). That really struck me as unprofessional, because what would happen if someone sees just the one VOD out of context? He would get a totally screwed impression, because "trying to be funny" had become more important than actually casting the game.
Sure its tough to do commentary on one-sided games and still be excited enough to do an interesting cast, but thats what you have to be prepared for as a professional caster ...
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On April 28 2011 21:45 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 19:55 Zandar wrote:
I think Incontrol and Gretorp are doing quite well.
Only problems I have is with the sound, Gretorp often speaks as if his microphone is far away from him and the voices seem out of sync with the video a little. Today they tried to be funny during the Rainbow vs. TLO games and it didnt work. Some people can be funny (like TLO), but others can only make mean jokes (like iNcontrol). It totally didnt work (because they practically announced the joke beforehand). That really struck me as unprofessional, because what would happen if someone sees just the one VOD out of context? He would get a totally screwed impression, because "trying to be funny" had become more important than actually casting the game. Sure its tough to do commentary on one-sided games and still be excited enough to do an interesting cast, but thats what you have to be prepared for as a professional caster ...
i laughed tho and i dont give a shit about this one guy who just tuned in and get a wrong impression for 1 day after he see next show and get the jokes.
Do you think prof. must mean : sitting there in a suit and only talk over what directly happen in the game?
i dont think this is prof, i think this kind of casting is boring and just bad.
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NASL is definitely making improvements, which is great 
Would like to see the VOD setup addressed though, the individual matchup videos (highlights) sometimes start partway through a match instead of at the beginning. It's also a bit of a mess trying to sort through them to find what you want to watch.
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On April 28 2011 21:52 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 21:45 Rabiator wrote:On April 28 2011 19:55 Zandar wrote:
I think Incontrol and Gretorp are doing quite well.
Only problems I have is with the sound, Gretorp often speaks as if his microphone is far away from him and the voices seem out of sync with the video a little. Today they tried to be funny during the Rainbow vs. TLO games and it didnt work. Some people can be funny (like TLO), but others can only make mean jokes (like iNcontrol). It totally didnt work (because they practically announced the joke beforehand). That really struck me as unprofessional, because what would happen if someone sees just the one VOD out of context? He would get a totally screwed impression, because "trying to be funny" had become more important than actually casting the game. Sure its tough to do commentary on one-sided games and still be excited enough to do an interesting cast, but thats what you have to be prepared for as a professional caster ... i laughed tho and i dont give a shit about this one guy who just tuned in and get a wrong impression for 1 day after he see next show and get the jokes. Do you think prof. must mean : sitting there in a suit and only talk over what directly happen in the game? i dont think this is prof, i think this kind of casting is boring and just bad.
1. You could try writing full words so we dont have to guess what you are meaning.
2. You not caring about any other people is probably just a sign of the times ... "me first". There are those paying customers however, which are entitled to watch the VODs and those are the ones who might become "irritated", so it luckily only matters if the NASL managers care and not those self centered beings like you.
3. The way they were commentating the said game was "purposely biased". If you are in on the joke you get it - except they didnt pull it off well enough and started giggling, so it was ruined for all non-pubertal viewers -, but if you dont know about it you totally get the wrong expression.
4. Being funny when commentating games is NOT unprofessional, BUT you have to be good at what you are doing. Even Tastosis cross the line with their brand of jokes every once in a while and become unprofessional, but Gretorp and iNcontrol are less than half as funny as Tastosis. Sure the average kid doesnt care if the jokes are really really bad (i.e. extremely cheap or below the belt), but that is something which grown ups and maybe females - potential additional customers - might object to. So every caster should be honest to himself and answer the following question: Am I funny enough for a live cast ("instant jokes")? For me the answer would be a solid NO.
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On April 28 2011 22:52 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 21:52 skeldark wrote:On April 28 2011 21:45 Rabiator wrote:On April 28 2011 19:55 Zandar wrote:
I think Incontrol and Gretorp are doing quite well.
Only problems I have is with the sound, Gretorp often speaks as if his microphone is far away from him and the voices seem out of sync with the video a little. Today they tried to be funny during the Rainbow vs. TLO games and it didnt work. Some people can be funny (like TLO), but others can only make mean jokes (like iNcontrol). It totally didnt work (because they practically announced the joke beforehand). That really struck me as unprofessional, because what would happen if someone sees just the one VOD out of context? He would get a totally screwed impression, because "trying to be funny" had become more important than actually casting the game. Sure its tough to do commentary on one-sided games and still be excited enough to do an interesting cast, but thats what you have to be prepared for as a professional caster ... i laughed tho and i dont give a shit about this one guy who just tuned in and get a wrong impression for 1 day after he see next show and get the jokes. Do you think prof. must mean : sitting there in a suit and only talk over what directly happen in the game? i dont think this is prof, i think this kind of casting is boring and just bad. 1. You could try writing full words so we dont have to guess what you are meaning. 2. You not caring about any other people is probably just a sign of the times ... "me first". There are those paying customers however, which are entitled to watch the VODs and those are the ones who might become "irritated", so it luckily only matters if the NASL managers care and not those self centered beings like you. 3. The way they were commentating the said game was "purposely biased". If you are in on the joke you get it - except they didnt pull it off well enough and started giggling, so it was ruined for all non-pubertal viewers -, but if you dont know about it you totally get the wrong expression. 4. Being funny when commentating games is NOT unprofessional, BUT you have to be good at what you are doing. Even Tastosis cross the line with their brand of jokes every once in a while and become unprofessional, but Gretorp and iNcontrol are less than half as funny as Tastosis. Sure the average kid doesnt care if the jokes are really really bad (i.e. extremely cheap or below the belt), but that is something which grown ups and maybe females - potential additional customers - might object to. So every caster should be honest to himself and answer the following question: Am I funny enough for a live cast ("instant jokes")? For me the answer would be a solid NO.
The way they troll the trolls is really funny for me. Tasteless is not funny at all for me. But i have the feeling to that sometimes they overdo it a little bit.
You dont like it i like it, we just have diffrent kind of humor. Nothing we can discuss but it have nothing to do with being professional or not.
But i think you agree with me that when a show/movie/game try to make it good for everyone in most case its just get borring and bad for everyone.
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I much prefer the Inc/Gretopr humor over the "lighter" Tastosis stuff.
If it's not mean, i normally don't find it very funny (except it's really good  )...
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After 3 weeks, I don't think I will be tuning in to NASL very much anymore. There are so many problems with the audio and video. Almost always the audio is out of sync with the video. The transitions are abrupt and awkward. The sound levels between the casters, game effects, music and background noise are not handled right. I am also not into the style of casting they seem to be going for. They are always judging player decisions before the consequence and making specific predictions which frequently turn out false. If you spent a minute making a prediction and that doesn't happen, it is a waste of time.
The whole production is plagued with issues. I could understand a bad day here and there. But it is happening every day.
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NASL has great analysis, on par if not better than GSL. The 1080p is fine, I limit the NASL to only 600kps and I can watch the 1080p without any problems at all, just have to not have dial up. The game quality is better than anything. More exciting matches more often. There are WAYS to make it better, and they are, but it's the second best thing next to GSL, and it's passing GSL in some ways.
Anyone who hates on it, says "They arn't funny ENOUGH" "They joke TOO much!" "They talk about what could happen but it doesn't!" they just arn't watching NASL for what it is. They are watching it, and if it doesn't do everything THEY want it to, it's a failure, which is exactly backwords.
To many entitled kids these days.
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I would REALLY like an update on how long we have to wait for JustinTV to make the VODs available in multiple quality options, not just 1080p. I've already blown my monthly bandwidth limit once getting caught up on games I missed because it's taking forever, I'd really prefer not to have to do it again  .
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I dont get how people can be so critical of NASL when the show is in such an early phase. I love GSL, watch every code S-game + 1/3 of code A and is a big Tastosis-fanboy, but I gotta say: Im really positivly surprised about the quality of NASL thus far. Remember: The progaming-scene and the whole infastructure around Starcraft has been around in South Korea for a long time, and is also more invested in, while NASL really is one of the first step to do the similar thing for us in the west. It is in my opinion regular tournament-series like this which really can make a difference for e-sport in our part of the world.
I want you to think a bit farther then the money you pay and the product you get. Why Im gladly paying is:
- This directly helps NASLs future and the vision for an establish pro league series in America
- This help improvement and expanding, both streamquality, sound amoung others
- This is really one of the most ambicious visions of getting e-sports as big here as in Korea.
- This will make NASL able to secure bigger prizes for the players, and progaming will thus be more profitable, which will enable more players to actually really play full-time (more competition, better players).
- The list goes on, but in my opinion this is the essence: Support NASL = support e-sport in the west.
Also, I think Gretorp and INcontrol is doing an excellent job, the games yesterday (especially TLO vs RainBow) was amazing. And like NASL itself, they will also improve as casters. Keep it up guys!
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i have been following sc2 since ~oktober 2010, and on the first 2 weeks i didnt rly liked the NASL besides the big names playing in it (thats why i bought the ticket). But as time goes by incontrol and gretorp are actually getting in their zone as far as casting goes. As someone before me mentioned i really start to like incontrol and gretorp casts. I dont really get why there is a poll in the beginning of this topic "who should cast NASL". Its like the pro gaming scene that gets new blood every now and then, so it is with the casting duo's. Give them the time and im sure at the end of the season incontrol and gretorp are MORE then fine to listen to.
PS Quality is perfect of the vods (im from EU :D) and so as some other ppl arleady mentioned the cutting of the games could rapid up abit and i really REALLy dislike justin.tv's layout for watching the vods and actually find them back. integrated website of NASL with vods etc would be a big improvement.
Keep it up !
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On April 28 2011 17:45 outerspace02 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 17:32 Defacer wrote:On April 28 2011 17:16 openbox1 wrote:
Wish IGN had scooped up the sponsers and players that NASL did. Then we could have had a proper League. Kinda unlucky for both players and viewers. IGN has done nothing but prove they host a solid invitational with pre-recorded games and decent graphics and audio. bitter much? NASL's games are pre-recorded also IGN probably chose their schedule because it was what they felt they could handle while maintaining a vivid and interesting product one of the biggest complaints about the NASL is its unnecessary length (which is almost definitely cutting into the overall production value)
Actually, it's length addresses a lot complaints from the community.
Many people, including most players and hardcore fans, often complete about the lack of parity in most tournament structures, particularly simplistic single-elimination invitationals. They're fun and entertaining but aren't designed to actually determine who the best player is.
No one's forcing you to watch the entire season. If you're a fair weather fan -- the kind that only starts paying attention to hockey during the playoffs, for instance -- than there's nothing stopping you from doing that.
The NASL and IPL are offering entirely different products with different goals. One's an international start-up league, with a lot of glitches, trying to be the western equivalent to GSL. The other is a variation of the HD World Tournament, with more casters and better graphic overlays.
The IPL might develop into something more, but I'm just stunned that people think that you can just amalgamate to two, magically, into a perfect product with the snap of a finger.
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I watched the NASL again last night after missing it for about a week. And I have to say, that it has improved a lot since the beginning.
Glad the NASL and IPL are doing pretty well. It's cool to have both "watchable" in the future
Keep up the good work
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On April 28 2011 21:45 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 19:55 Zandar wrote:
I think Incontrol and Gretorp are doing quite well.
Only problems I have is with the sound, Gretorp often speaks as if his microphone is far away from him and the voices seem out of sync with the video a little. Today they tried to be funny during the Rainbow vs. TLO games and it didnt work. Some people can be funny (like TLO), but others can only make mean jokes (like iNcontrol). It totally didnt work (because they practically announced the joke beforehand). That really struck me as unprofessional, because what would happen if someone sees just the one VOD out of context? He would get a totally screwed impression, because "trying to be funny" had become more important than actually casting the game. Sure its tough to do commentary on one-sided games and still be excited enough to do an interesting cast, but thats what you have to be prepared for as a professional caster ...
Why are you writing in absolutes? You didn't find it funny. OK, that's fair not everyone is going to have the same opinion on something especially if we are talking about humor. But there's no way you can claim that "It totally didnt work" when you are only using your own opinion to come up with that conclusion.
Bottom line: based on the live report thread I would say you are in the vast minority if you didn't think that the TLO/Rainbow cast was both funny and entertaining.
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Just tuned in to NASL, havent seen it in a while and noticed you can hear the mouseclicks which is huge. Pretty annoying to watch when there is a constant klicking sound all the time : /
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