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abaitor
Profile Joined August 2010
England45 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 10:43:30
April 14 2011 10:41 GMT
#601
Make sure to be roughly neutral with what you're watching on screen. I realise incontrol is a protoss player, and gretorp terran, but during most of the pvzs yesterday, almost all of the focus was on the protoss player. There was a game (i forget which, but was on backwater gulch) where the zerg built a spire, a hydralisk den, a nydus worm, and an additional expansion, and it wasn't even noted neither on screen or via commentary. (Also, just to add, my race is terran so it's not like I'm biased and simply wanted to see more zerg stuff).
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
April 14 2011 10:49 GMT
#602
Does that #20 sound thing mean it would fix gretorp's yelling problem? and by yelling problem i mean when he gets excited i need to basically mute my comp cuz its so loud.

If so then that's all I got, otherwise the production has been pleasantly suprisingly awesome (worst sentence ever, lol)
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Dartego
Profile Joined January 2011
154 Posts
April 14 2011 10:49 GMT
#603
I want to see HDstarcraft ^^
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
April 14 2011 10:52 GMT
#604
Really wish you'd turn off VOD comments on justintv, getting spoilt before even starting to watch the VODs is utterly devastating.
JupiterJazz
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany92 Posts
April 14 2011 11:07 GMT
#605
It just feels like there is a lack of overall professionalism in all sorts of tiny things. in the lagfest i saw what struck me the most was when in game 2 between Artosis and Sheth the observer kept showing the units lost tab for 10minutes because it made it obvious he can not keep up with the "multitasking" and things going on on the map.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
April 14 2011 11:13 GMT
#606
On April 14 2011 20:07 JupiterJazz wrote:
It just feels like there is a lack of overall professionalism in all sorts of tiny things. in the lagfest i saw what struck me the most was when in game 2 between Artosis and Sheth the observer kept showing the units lost tab for 10minutes because it made it obvious he can not keep up with the "multitasking" and things going on on the map.

Whos the observer btw?

Anyways i just feel theres not enough excitement surrounding it compared to the GSL,TSL,or DH.
Mayb its the production or casting(i think its good for most part).I just get the vibe that its just some random tourny or something,lol dunno just imo.
Toastmold
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada207 Posts
April 14 2011 11:18 GMT
#607
My main comment at the moment would be to break up the player introduction/focus to precede each match. (Much like everyone else according to the initial post)

I would not like the in-game music though. Sometimes I want to listen to my own music.
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Meldrath
Profile Joined June 2010
United States620 Posts
April 14 2011 11:20 GMT
#608
I would love to have the opening into brief introduction of what is on the line for both players and then bam into match one. after match 1 spend 5-10 minutes giving bio's/stats for each player and maybe a commercial break... then back to the action.. rinse repeat.
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VirtuallyJesse
Profile Joined February 2011
United States398 Posts
April 14 2011 11:21 GMT
#609
I wish NASL had their own forum. Seems silly to discuss this here, on TL. A place to discuss all NASL related things.
REM.ca
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada354 Posts
April 14 2011 11:22 GMT
#610
Gretorp always cracks me up when he's casting anything but NASL. If he can just relax and be his usual goofy brah, I think it might help?

Also I'm wondering how TSL3 can have such a great stream going with great sound volumes and no technical glitches while NASL can't. Can't both teams talk to each other and get things fixed?
I have a palm permanently stuck to my face yo.
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
April 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#611
People are overexaggerating about Gretorps casting, it is generally pretty decent but there is definately too much contrast in volume between regular talk and excited talk and calling some games amazing that were pretty meh. You dont have to shit on the players or anything but if the game is a 20 minute turtle deul don't be afraid to call them out for being too passive or give some insight as to why they might be playing boring in that situation.

Somone else earlier in the thread called the production tab the minimap of veiwing and they are totally right, you guys aren't the only casters to miss tech switches (even the mighty casting archon do it reasonably often) but having that tab up for most of the game is good for us veiwers. Checking the other tabs is good too, i liked how in the Sheth v Artosis (i think it was this game) you kept going back to the resources lost tab (?) it really showed how Sheths army became more and more cost efficient as the game went on but you need to get into the habit of switching back to the production tab after checking out these other things.

I think the preshow should maybe be 15 or 20 minutes, introduction, do your map walkthroughs and a very brief mention of the schedule and then do the more in depth player/matchup intros before each series. It will make those much needed short breaks between series (thanks for listening to the community on that!) flow much better.

Hi
Krejven
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden105 Posts
April 14 2011 11:28 GMT
#612
Fix the lagg, feelt like watching a slideshow of pictures while listening to the radio. This is the 21th century, not the start of the 20th.

Thank you.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
April 14 2011 11:34 GMT
#613
Ah also please make some lower quality VODS available, it might sound strange but some of us are from places with terrible internet infrastructure and loading some 1080p vods can take a few hours to load the whole thing.
Hi
Coolwhip
Profile Joined March 2011
927 Posts
April 14 2011 11:40 GMT
#614
Casting

Incontrol should cast with Diggity as much as possible. If Diggity isn't available then it would be Incontrol and Gretorp I guess.

But Gretorp needs to change a few things to get better at it:
-no screaming, unless something EPIC happens
-not calling everything amazing, when it's not
-not share insight about games that just doesn't make sense
-talk more fluently, it looks like he is behind in his mind when he speaks, just think about what you want to say when Incontrol is talking
-don't predict things wrongly all the time, he can't look in the future and we don't expect him to
-he has a good voice for it, but all in all needs to improve a LOT.

Oh and don't let Khaldor co-cast again. It's very awkward that he isn't in the studio and his commetary just isn't professional enough. Plus him not being natively english means his vocabulary is quite limited and it shows. Also he was often telling us that a pylon was being built, stuff like that. That's just bad commentary. No offense.

Production

-stream is often choppy, laggy
-spice up the studio a bit, it's very dark and boring atm
-during breaks, technical difficulties, don't let dead air happen. Prepare music, videos, whatever
-consistancy: don't prerecord with lots of different casters and let them warp all over the place in the 'live' broadcast
-only use commentators in the studio, it's awkward if someone is commentating from home, with bad sound quality
-make sure the ingame music is on
-show the production tab
-show national flags with players protraits, spices things up
-during preshow don't just endlessly talk, mix it up with interviews, whatever
-the helicopter view of the map doesn't add much, it's harder to see like that even (no problem with it though, just saying)

There is definately potential, but improvements need to happen, especially to the casting.

My 2 cents.
storm8ring3r
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany227 Posts
April 14 2011 11:51 GMT
#615
the pinging during the match is kinda annoying I don't know if it's on purpose might be able to do without that the ping sound is quite harsh
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NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
April 14 2011 12:06 GMT
#616
Observer needs to pay more attention to production, I noticed several times the casters miss key buildings going up and are suprised when a certain unit comes up. Less talk about what is currently happening and more focus on what the players might be going for would be better imo.
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
April 14 2011 12:10 GMT
#617
Learn from dreamhack.
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
zolii
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland141 Posts
April 14 2011 12:13 GMT
#618
1. The VODs are a bit messy atm. Would be nice if the games were cut into map1 map2 map3 tabs. Also having some kind of quick video before each match to fill in the countdown and game loading time. I think it would be really nice if the VODs would be visible in every single matchup subpage and under each map pic there would be a VOD for it. (like here http://nasl.tv/Match/Details/july-vs-white-ra-season-1-week-1-match-1)

2. Putting some Sc2, sc2 community ect. related videos instead of the "INTERMISSION 5 MINUTES" screen - this is almost a reminder of MLG

3. Implementing an option to choose between 2 quality options for VODs ex. 480p and 1080p

4. Having more controll over the game (referee ingame)

5. Putting on busy status on battlenet so no people message the casters during the games.

6. Getting rid of "strange sounds". I think it was skype or msn in the background in some games.

Probably some stuff pops into mind later.

Now I'd like to say I love the amount of games. The commentery is nice, it lacks the Tasteless-Artosis chemistry but that should come with time.
Some people are complaining on justin.tv about Gretorp high voice - I have no clue what they are talking about. There is never a point where I have to put the volume down.

Keep up the good work. NASL FTW !
zivac
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia389 Posts
April 14 2011 12:15 GMT
#619

1. better mics
2. better vod cuts so i dont have to search within 1 hour long 1080p video that buffers more than 2 hours for 2 games that lasted 10 mins each, i dont have time to watch each pause that last forever, totally unnecessary for vods and makes life impossible considering buffering times
3. better casters (cant help it, i love gretorp and incontrol but other caster set standards too high, gsl archons, uk archons, day9, wheat, husky etc...)
4. in-game music would maybe help atmosphere a bit
5. overall their casting environment feels too sterile for me...
FreddYCooL
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden415 Posts
April 14 2011 12:16 GMT
#620
When you enter the nasl website the first thing you see is a scoreboard in the lower corner which means that i just had all of todays games spoiled They should remove the scoreboard from the frontpage and make it so that you have to click it to see it, finding the vods without having the matches spoiled is almost impossible atm
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