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On April 08 2011 20:21 fizzgig_ wrote:
Ok, I think we can actually prove this is hacking; I just noticed the queen gets selected off-screen to do the inject without using a hotkey....
You can inject on the minimap, but I do not think you can select a unit off-screen without a hotkey?
(for reference, I am looking at the instructions in the actual replay file, so I know for a fact no hotkey was used for it)
You can do this actually.
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Clearly a D3D Bot. There is lots of evidence previous posters already seen and wrote.
Too bad TehWarden actually can't do anything against this. Doing a hack via D3D bridge has wonderful tendency not to write anything in SC2 process memory map. It only reads from it. So, Warden doesn't see anything when it scans for known or random hack offsets. Disadvantage is a bit ugly hack (because it is either windowed or needs a second monitor or clumps existing) but 100% Warden proof.
Maybe if Blizz implements reading various process handles, it will get detected. But that would mean scanning your entire process block. I think they can't do that because of "privacy" reasons.
Who knows, future will tell.
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TeamLiquid Forum should offer Blizz their community support. in cases like this, the community proved with facts that this guy hacks. Now blizz only needs to bann him.
Tons of qualified SC2 experts here to analyze replays and give blizz a hand in identifying hackers. and for free!!
Blizz! please direct-bann for hackers identified by the TL-community!
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On April 08 2011 20:52 Bumblebees wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 20:21 fizzgig_ wrote:
You can inject on the minimap, but I do not think you can select a unit off-screen without a hotkey?
You can do this actually.
Would you mind telling how?
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On April 08 2011 21:48 fizzgig_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 20:52 Bumblebees wrote:On April 08 2011 20:21 fizzgig_ wrote:
You can inject on the minimap, but I do not think you can select a unit off-screen without a hotkey?
You can do this actually. Would you mind telling how?
Select queen (hotkey), click inject (hotkey), click on minimap where your hatchery is.
It takes practice to do it quickly, because on big maps it can be a pain in the ass.
edit: whoops misunderstood.
yeah I'd like to know how too 
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They don't need to ban the hack, they just need to ban everyone that gets caught with 700 APM in a replay...
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On April 08 2011 00:28 genrlPatTen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 00:07 ferry wrote:On April 07 2011 23:04 redviper wrote:
Looks like a network injection program. i wrote something similar for Lineage 2 a long time ago and it is a lot easier to design and a lot more versatile than input based bots. The only real difficulty is getting the protocol and decrypting the packets, something that can be done easily enough. And in SC2 it will be even easier because the server actually sends global information to the client, so you don't even have to guess anything.
Its a lot harder to detect also by warden because the bot doesn't have to live on the same machine, it can be on a different network altogether. Yes, a lot of popular hacks also for Diablo 2 were based on network injection, so it wouldn't surprise me if this was the same. I guess what makes these hacks difficult is that first the SC2 client has to be reverse engineered (to a certain extent) in order to understand the packets sent between server/client. I'm pretty sure if Blizzard used an encryption algorithm to protect the packets sent between client and server, that would make network injections much harder to write; at least that's what the solution is in general for client-server applications. Yeah its pretty interesting what you can find out with a archive manager and a decompiler. Reverse engineering software has been around for ever, but when you get to the nuts and bolts, all software is just files executed on your computer, this machine code can be easily converted back to source(albeit semi-readable) and encryptions can be broken given enough time/power. The tools are out there to do it... It just makes me sad that people do. Whats the fun in having the computer play for you? So you can flex your e-peen to all your friends? It is because enjoyment is largely outcome dependent. The complex roach micro that the bot does and the culminating battle entertain the player. While the more elite players want to achieve it through difficult manual control, some of the lower level players will settlefor the more primitive control as used by cheaters
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This could explain why I see ALOT of zergs right now and ALOT of roach openings from them. Im gunna have to watch these replays. im high diamond trying for masters.. and have notice a rather extreme spike in macro/skill of my zerg friends.
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On April 09 2011 00:33 Meldrath wrote:
This could explain why I see ALOT of zergs right now and ALOT of roach openings from them. Im gunna have to watch these replays. im high diamond trying for masters.. and have notice a rather extreme spike in macro/skill of my zerg friends.
......seriously? lol
People are roaching more because of Mondragon's games on TSL man >.>
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this guy should be in GSL with that micro... its Jaedong... wait no its a hacker
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On April 09 2011 00:33 Meldrath wrote:
This could explain why I see ALOT of zergs right now and ALOT of roach openings from them. Im gunna have to watch these replays. im high diamond trying for masters.. and have notice a rather extreme spike in macro/skill of my zerg friends.
What? Your friends are hackers?
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Hope Blizzard sues the creator of the hack ASAP.
While it sucks that this type of thing has been created, it's also extremely easy to catch someone using it. The replay gives irrefutable evidence.
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On April 09 2011 01:56 Doodsmack wrote:
Hope Blizzard sues the creator of the hack ASAP.
While it sucks that this type of thing has been created, it's also extremely easy to catch someone using it. The replay gives irrefutable evidence.
Yeah, how are they going to find him? And what would they sue him for?
Our best bet is probably to keep looking for replays like these and make sure that blizz bans the accounts.
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These kinds of control hacks existed in BW, and I'm sure they're both possible and in fact exist in SC2. Because of the large number of players, this kind of thing will definitely be in demand.
BTW...wow. Please learn to use punctuation, OP. That made my head hurt.
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On April 09 2011 01:56 Doodsmack wrote:
Hope Blizzard sues the creator of the hack ASAP.
While it sucks that this type of thing has been created, it's also extremely easy to catch someone using it. The replay gives irrefutable evidence.
That is stupid. The application is obviously more sophisticated than the builtin AI, if anything Blizzard should offer him a job.
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On April 09 2011 02:02 Vectoor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2011 01:56 Doodsmack wrote:
Hope Blizzard sues the creator of the hack ASAP.
While it sucks that this type of thing has been created, it's also extremely easy to catch someone using it. The replay gives irrefutable evidence. Yeah, how are they going to find him? And what would they sue him for? Our best bet is probably to keep looking for replays like these and make sure that blizz bans the accounts.
They have sued two other SC2 maphack creators.
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On April 09 2011 02:46 PH wrote:
These kinds of control hacks existed in BW, and I'm sure they're both possible and in fact exist in SC2. Because of the large number of players, this kind of thing will definitely be in demand.
BTW...wow. Please learn to use punctuation, OP. That made my head hurt.
Haha for sure.. this must be the biggest thread that a WALL (cliche, yes. But in this case the topic was brick and mortar, air tight) of text with no punctuation has ever drawn.
It's kind of scary that there were two instances reported so quickly. I hope it's not spreading I want to ladder today!
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Wow, I was perusing my favorite D2 hack site (Don't hate > ), and I saw there was an SC2 hacks forum. Low and behold, there is the same bot, readily available, and free. I was angered, and a lot of people had already downloaded it.
Horrible horrible thing. I absolutely hate hacks in competitive games...
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On April 09 2011 04:00 Alejandrisha wrote:
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It's kind of scary that there were two instances reported so quickly. I hope it's not spreading I want to ladder today!
Two? Where is the other?
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