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SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
April 07 2011 21:16 GMT
#241
It's funny how the allegated hacker inject ALL his larva when the 27 energy point is about to appear. Each time, no mistakes.
Frobert
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada113 Posts
April 07 2011 21:19 GMT
#242
Oh wow, if you go into one of the replays Samyaza (the hacker) uploaded at the beginning of March, his caption is "A Zerg with self respect". A sad day for the swarm indeed.
BWILLdur
Profile Joined October 2010
United States100 Posts
April 07 2011 22:57 GMT
#243
On April 07 2011 23:55 Sensator wrote:
Yeah after a long search (by long I mean googling SC2 hacks), I found exactly what these hacks are capable of. Check out the d3scene sc2 section :S.


Maybe I was naive but damn, didn't think you could hack RTS that in depth, and that quickly.
froofpim
Profile Joined October 2010
United States11 Posts
April 08 2011 00:10 GMT
#244
Yea, they've got automated bots that will micro/macro for you, upgrade inject and other stuff. No doubt this is a hack.
Cent
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 00:16:11
April 08 2011 00:16 GMT
#245
This guy has all his roaches selected, but they automatically burrow themselves individually if they fall below a certain health level. Not only that, they systematically unburrow themselves when they reach full HP (and not at any other level, even if it may have been more advantageous to have more attacking roaches).
Notice that since he never unselects the roaches (to select individual ones), when he gives a focus fire command, even the burrowed roaches approach that target, but remain burrowed.
Also notice that when the infested marines are shooting at the burrowed roaches, doing only pinpricks of damage, it keeps the roaches from reaching 100% hp, and they never automatically unburrow for him, even though he could wipe them out.
Perhaps most glaringly of all, he selects his hatchery and very very slowly taps his roach hotkey, all the while you can see that his burrow/unburrow roach script is still running, and playing the game for him.

Even if he really was some gosu player who had ungodly micro, he makes relatively large mistakes that would only characterize players who play only in an a-click manner.
Life is a lot like playing Terran. You can't win all your battles, but you gotta keep making good trades and maybe eventually possibly somehow you'll win.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
April 08 2011 00:35 GMT
#246
Need to watch that if I'm at home :D!
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
April 08 2011 00:40 GMT
#247
watched the replay

obvious mh/micro hack the guy's actual skill level is similar to silver league
the throws never bothered me anyway
Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
April 08 2011 01:19 GMT
#248
The roach micro...no human can do that while also maintaining perfect macro/queen injection....
:)
lilky
Profile Joined January 2011
United States131 Posts
April 08 2011 01:28 GMT
#249
Is he korean?
lowlypawn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States241 Posts
April 08 2011 01:32 GMT
#250
On April 08 2011 01:26 lowlypawn wrote:
Can't download replay

Could someone please upload it again?


Got it to DL, sorry my cookies were disabled.

Just watched it and it's pretty amazing. I think this is just the start of what we can expect. Once the hackers have it figured out then they will add delays, randomness and a 250 APM cap to make it look legit. Then it will be really hard to detect.


nyc863
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
200 Posts
April 08 2011 02:30 GMT
#251
Once the hackers have it figured out then they will add delays, randomness and a 250 APM cap to make it look legit. Then it will be really hard to detect.


QFT

Anyone capable of writing this current bot could trivially adjust it to add a realism slider and then the replay wouldn't show squat, it would just show a very good player in certain aspects of his macro and micro.

Even a second monitor or pop-up window showing the fully exposed unit placement would be undetectable, and a smart cheater would incorporate that information into his game without making it too obvious. He'd be a battle.net hero, but never compete in tourneys.
SpaceGhost
Profile Joined October 2010
United States61 Posts
April 08 2011 02:42 GMT
#252
at around the twelve minute mark he larva injects into his lair without his queen even being selected, which I'm pretty sure is impossible.
mit der dummheit kampfen die gotter selbst vergebens
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
April 08 2011 02:44 GMT
#253
He knew he was losing so he went "HAXOR MODE ACTIVATE"
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
April 08 2011 02:53 GMT
#254
Not ganna matter to the top 200 ladder at all, he can never make it to top 200, game's not win with micro / macro at high level, it always comes down to decision making. People who has good decision making ability use hacks can push them over the top of the other legit players, however even without the hacks those players can already hold their own. There are a couple example of current big names of sc2 that was a once hacker turned legit and doing very well with hard work to redeem themselves.
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eGoTricKShoT
Profile Joined November 2010
United States46 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 03:27:01
April 08 2011 03:04 GMT
#255
Explanation of how this may have happened

i just wanted to address something that people are continually saying... he burrows roaches without selecting them individually, or injects larva while never selecting queens, etc etc...

someone on the first page mentioned this as a writeable program based on frames...

assuming this is true, the reason the replay doesnt show the selections is because of the hundreds and thousands of frames that fit into every second and minute... meaning the replay system shows no change in selection because of a possible write along the lines of '/checkframe(x) burrow all roach < 25% health'

to add a more childish analogy, the same way a magician does something so fast with his hands that the eye cant follow... the written program does something so fast that the replay system cant follow, or that it does perhaps follow it but in a single frame out of hundreds of thousands, thus technically executing the action, but too quickly to show the change in selection

im not saying this IS what is going on, but if it was a frame based written program this is a way of writing those kind of commands, although the ability for someone to sneak this into the SC2 registry files and past any sort of file checking performed by blizzard upon launch of the application is beyond my knowledge

i did not read the entire discussion, so i do not know if this has already been said
gregnog
Profile Joined December 2010
United States289 Posts
April 08 2011 03:05 GMT
#256
On April 07 2011 07:58 Alokiya wrote:
What league was this in? If it was diamond/masters, it's not entirely impossible that you played someone who doesn't apm spam and is just really good at micro. Nothing in there was concrete that he was hacking, just insanely good micro really, but who knows, maybe there is some bot that auto burrows your low health roaches.


Why would you even post something like this? Watch the replay.
BlazedHydra
Profile Joined March 2011
United States67 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 03:14:08
April 08 2011 03:07 GMT
#257
i have yet to hear of anyone getting banned for hacking.... GOOD JOB blizz. keep up the good work you fucking idiots. if they actually put forth any effort at all these people would be insanely easy to identify on bnet and could be banned litterally days after they started hacking.

as is though there is really nothing to deter these jerk offs and so the ladder is becoming increasingly pointless to play on. does anyone remember battlenet for Brood War???? you couldnt barely find anyone at all that didnt play with hacks on, and so noone would play on it cept noobs and hackers.

to all the people posting in the defense of the hacker, watch the replay befor you post.

User was banned for this post.
boredoms not a burden anyone should bare
khOOM
Profile Joined November 2010
United States87 Posts
April 08 2011 03:14 GMT
#258
Every single roach unburrows at exactly 138 hp.

akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 03:31:43
April 08 2011 03:21 GMT
#259
i just played a guy who i think might have the same hack? he makes like 7 spines against my unscouted 4 gate, and his queen injects were ridiculous. he also had like 700 apm but that could be done by a macro script or whatever. too bad he still cant win the game with hacks loooool

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/160773-1v1-protoss-zerg-xelnaga-caverns#rd:buildorder

i just watched it again, it's not the same nvm. still shady though, although maybe he was just doing mass spines into mutas
khOOM
Profile Joined November 2010
United States87 Posts
April 08 2011 03:26 GMT
#260
On April 08 2011 12:21 akalarry wrote:
i just played a guy who i think might have the same hack? he makes like 7 spines against my unscouted 4 gate, and his queen injects were ridiculous. he also had like 700 apm but that could be done by a macro script or whatever. too bad he still cant win the game with hacks loooool

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/160773-1v1-protoss-zerg-xelnaga-caverns#rd:buildorder


LOL the guy hit 2800+ apm for a moment.
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