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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
April 08 2011 03:39 GMT
#261
Pretty clearly hacking, I don't think there's any question after watching that replay. He doesn't even target his units.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Taylor Hall
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada44 Posts
April 08 2011 03:43 GMT
#262
Haven't read all replies but notice his queens are out of sync. Yet he doesnt miss a single inject the whole game (always at 25 or 26 energy as i seen) even during that insane micro.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take -Wayne Gretzky
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10363 Posts
April 08 2011 03:44 GMT
#263
Obviously a hacker if his apm was 40 but then went to 1k >.>

At first though with the timings, that's obviously possible because of skill and whatnot or just a well thought out build order or even coincidence, but the micro... yea.

Time to watch, should be awesome :D
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
vilg
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark413 Posts
April 08 2011 03:54 GMT
#264

Not sure if you are serious or not; but obvious auto inject, 2800 apm etc doesn't really fall under "shady", but rather ridiculously blatant. You should report him.

On April 08 2011 12:21 akalarry wrote:
i just played a guy who i think might have the same hack? he makes like 7 spines against my unscouted 4 gate, and his queen injects were ridiculous. he also had like 700 apm but that could be done by a macro script or whatever. too bad he still cant win the game with hacks loooool

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/160773-1v1-protoss-zerg-xelnaga-caverns#rd:buildorder

i just watched it again, it's not the same nvm. still shady though, although maybe he was just doing mass spines into mutas

akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
April 08 2011 04:15 GMT
#265
On April 08 2011 12:54 vilg wrote:

Not sure if you are serious or not; but obvious auto inject, 2800 apm etc doesn't really fall under "shady", but rather ridiculously blatant. You should report him.

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 12:21 akalarry wrote:
i just played a guy who i think might have the same hack? he makes like 7 spines against my unscouted 4 gate, and his queen injects were ridiculous. he also had like 700 apm but that could be done by a macro script or whatever. too bad he still cant win the game with hacks loooool

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/160773-1v1-protoss-zerg-xelnaga-caverns#rd:buildorder

i just watched it again, it's not the same nvm. still shady though, although maybe he was just doing mass spines into mutas



well 2800 apm and stuff could just be from a macro script by just holding down 1 button. also, i wasn't sure about the queen inject since it isn't same as the op. i'm not too familiar with it so i'm not sure if it could possibly be just from macros on the computer. he wasn't injecting at 25 energy every single time
Drunkasarous
Profile Joined February 2011
United States96 Posts
April 08 2011 04:37 GMT
#266
I dont understand why people think that hacking their way up the ladder will make them good. Yeah, they have some bragging rights, but people who legitly go and compete (like I do, MLG PROVIDENCE NOVEMBER 2011 BABY!) are the people who matter in the pro world. Yes it is annoying to play hackers on the ladder, which is why I play a mix of ladder + custom.

Its blatenly obvious the guy was hacking, and it makes me sad when Blizzard wont do anything about it. (Im mad them banning forum trolls like me takes priority over hackers and stuff, although I admit i got what I deserved on the Bnet forums)

Blizzard needs to focus more on SC2 but I feel that wont happen as much because of the oodles of cash they make off World of Warcraft. Theyre much more concerned about making WoW players happy I feel.
COLOSSU VOID RAY LAZOR BEAM PEWPEWPEW
Sae
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom74 Posts
April 08 2011 04:53 GMT
#267
On April 08 2011 13:37 Drunkasarous wrote:
Blizzard needs to focus more on SC2 but I feel that wont happen as much because of the oodles of cash they make off World of Warcraft. Theyre much more concerned about making WoW players happy I feel.


They're completely different teams, WoW has almost nothing to do with Starcraft.
Drunkasarous
Profile Joined February 2011
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 04:55:48
April 08 2011 04:54 GMT
#268
On April 08 2011 11:30 nyc863 wrote:
He'd be a battle.net hero, but never compete in tourneys.


Sorry to double post, but this is the real QFT here.


On April 08 2011 13:53 Sae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 13:37 Drunkasarous wrote:
Blizzard needs to focus more on SC2 but I feel that wont happen as much because of the oodles of cash they make off World of Warcraft. Theyre much more concerned about making WoW players happy I feel.


They're completely different teams, WoW has almost nothing to do with Starcraft.


I didnt know. Starcraft 2 is my first ever time interacting with blizzard so for lack of a better term, I dont know shit.

Believing what you wrote, I now feel we need to light fires under the chairs of the Starcraft 2 Blizzard team
COLOSSU VOID RAY LAZOR BEAM PEWPEWPEW
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
April 08 2011 05:19 GMT
#269
Reminded me of those marine micro scripts for lurkers in brood war.
reprise
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada316 Posts
April 08 2011 08:01 GMT
#270
On April 08 2011 13:54 Drunkasarous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 11:30 nyc863 wrote:
He'd be a battle.net hero, but never compete in tourneys.


Sorry to double post, but this is the real QFT here.


Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 13:53 Sae wrote:
On April 08 2011 13:37 Drunkasarous wrote:
Blizzard needs to focus more on SC2 but I feel that wont happen as much because of the oodles of cash they make off World of Warcraft. Theyre much more concerned about making WoW players happy I feel.


They're completely different teams, WoW has almost nothing to do with Starcraft.


I didnt know. Starcraft 2 is my first ever time interacting with blizzard so for lack of a better term, I dont know shit.

Believing what you wrote, I now feel we need to light fires under the chairs of the Starcraft 2 Blizzard team


Do you honestly think they sit around at HQ twiddling their thumbs? It's okay if you don't know how things work on their turf, but to blindly say that they're not making effort to fix problems is stupid.
for graphs of passion, and charts of stars
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
April 08 2011 08:17 GMT
#271
Wait, so Samyaza is Jaedong? Looked like some sick jaedong micro on the roach burrows to me.

Deffinately looked like some hax due to the 600+ APM and perfect roach micro.... or it could be LJD! Just saying...
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 09:39:53
April 08 2011 09:39 GMT
#272
What I find suspicious is that, despite his flawless roach micro / spawn larvae injection / simcity in the beginning, he lacks a lot in his playstyle: there are no overlord spread, no map awareness, almost no scout after 8 min...
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
April 08 2011 09:50 GMT
#273
On April 08 2011 13:37 Drunkasarous wrote:
Its blatenly obvious the guy was hacking, and it makes me sad when Blizzard wont do anything about it. (Im mad them banning forum trolls like me takes priority over hackers and stuff, although I admit i got what I deserved on the Bnet forums)

They ban hackers in waves, as is standard industry practice.

Their forum admins and their people working on Warden are uh, completely different. They can do both at the same time.
Okiesmokie
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada379 Posts
April 08 2011 10:38 GMT
#274
To people saying that he burrowed roaches/injected larva without selecting the units, that is incorrect. sc2gears registers that he did select the units. He just did it so fast that you aren't able to tell by watching it.

[image loading]

(I'm not denying that it's a bot, but people should really stop making such stupid statements)
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 10:44:20
April 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#275
It's probably impossible to write AI's that can beat top players, but I imagine that with the help of these various tools that seem to pop up, someone like, say, me, should never have to lose a game again. Any master level player that is given not just perfect injects as zerg, free scouting, automated burrow, but also the added time you don't have to bother with those things, could easily become the best player in the world. You can just focus purely on strategy and unit positioning, and since those aren't too hard when you have perfect information, it's pretty much impossible to beat you.

Also, these kind of things are why they should require pro's to provide a private stream of their play for online tournaments for the admins to check. Suppose that you find a way to make use of these programs less blatant, or you just practice enough with them so that you learn how to mask the appearance of cheating, then you can win the TSL and 30k dollar just like that. Given that the TSL3 had qualifiers, essentially anyone could have joined, there's no way to only allow top players who you're sure are legit.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 08 2011 10:41 GMT
#276
Just watch the replay. Yeah definate a hack. OP better report this to Blizzard.
@Okiesmokie: You are the one making a useless statement. He didn't select any queens, that the bot did select the queen in like 1ms. People are right about the fact the samyaza didn't select his queens to inject.
Terran
Okiesmokie
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada379 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 10:44:31
April 08 2011 10:43 GMT
#277
On April 08 2011 19:41 Caphe wrote:
Just watch the replay. Yeah definate a hack. OP better report this to Blizzard.
@Okiesmokie: You are the one making a useless statement. He didn't select any queens, that the bot did select the queen in like 1ms. People are right about the fact the samyaza didn't select his queens to inject.

Did you not look at the screenshot? Go open the replay up in sc2gears.

The point was that people are saying he was doing things that are impossible in the game engine. (Burrowing roaches/injecting larva without selecting the units.) When infact he was selecting the units. Sure it is physically impossible to do it that fast, but that wasn't what was being argued.
Attica
Profile Joined February 2010
United States277 Posts
April 08 2011 11:02 GMT
#278
On April 08 2011 19:43 Okiesmokie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 19:41 Caphe wrote:
Just watch the replay. Yeah definate a hack. OP better report this to Blizzard.
@Okiesmokie: You are the one making a useless statement. He didn't select any queens, that the bot did select the queen in like 1ms. People are right about the fact the samyaza didn't select his queens to inject.

Did you not look at the screenshot? Go open the replay up in sc2gears.

The point was that people are saying he was doing things that are impossible in the game engine. (Burrowing roaches/injecting larva without selecting the units.) When infact he was selecting the units. Sure it is physically impossible to do it that fast, but that wasn't what was being argued.


Well yes the hack is selecting the units so fast that it doesn't show in the game but that doesn't really mean people are wrong when they say HE didn't select any units.
Okiesmokie
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada379 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 11:11:17
April 08 2011 11:09 GMT
#279
On April 08 2011 20:02 Attica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 19:43 Okiesmokie wrote:
On April 08 2011 19:41 Caphe wrote:
Just watch the replay. Yeah definate a hack. OP better report this to Blizzard.
@Okiesmokie: You are the one making a useless statement. He didn't select any queens, that the bot did select the queen in like 1ms. People are right about the fact the samyaza didn't select his queens to inject.

Did you not look at the screenshot? Go open the replay up in sc2gears.

The point was that people are saying he was doing things that are impossible in the game engine. (Burrowing roaches/injecting larva without selecting the units.) When infact he was selecting the units. Sure it is physically impossible to do it that fast, but that wasn't what was being argued.


Well yes the hack is selecting the units so fast that it doesn't show in the game but that doesn't really mean people are wrong when they say HE didn't select any units.

You're arguing semantics. People in this thread were saying the units weren't selected at all. It doesn't matter if "he" or "the bot" selected them, the fact is that they were selected.

"He injected without selecting the queen" - If they meant what you are implying, then they're contradicting themselves, because "he" didn't inject either.
fizzgig_
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden162 Posts
April 08 2011 11:21 GMT
#280
Ok, I think we can actually prove this is hacking; I just noticed the queen gets selected off-screen to do the inject without using a hotkey....

You can inject on the minimap, but I do not think you can select a unit off-screen without a hotkey?

(for reference, I am looking at the instructions in the actual replay file, so I know for a fact no hotkey was used for it)
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