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On April 15 2015 03:22 TRaFFiC wrote:
Pretty much all my friends in the states have Adderall prescriptions and none of them have ADD. Normally, I'm pro legalization of all drugs, but in the case of adderall it is extremely addictive and horrible for your health when abused. Two of my friend are/were addicted. They take up to 160 mg at a time just to reach the same high they did when they started on 30s.
It's an amazing drug to take a few times a year. Gives incredible euphoria, concentration, and more importantly MOTIVATION to do anything. But... it's not good for long term practice or studying since you crash for 24 hours after using (time which could've been spent working).
It could be good for a 1 day tournament, though the signs of use are apparent if you look for them. Restlessness, twitching, rubbing lips and tongue, talking fast etc.
I don't know how true the above post is, but I'm not entirely sure I'm following you. As someone who's been prescribed Adderall for many years, I can say that a majority of users don't actually go pass the dosage the doctor gives you. When I was a child starting Adderall, they gave me 5mg doses which I was required to take 2 a day (one in the morning and one in the evening). Now that I'm over 21, I've only had to take 1 dose of a 15mg pill (once a day). These doses haven't done much physiological edits towards me.
Amphetamine salts are essentially just controlled meth. So if someone is going to quadruple the doses, of course there are negatives to that. You can't assume all of us are trying to "performance enhance" or "abuse drugs" because of your anecdotal evidences. No offense, but your friends sound like they need some serious psychiatric help regarding abuse.
Edit: honestly, there's a big difference between "Adderall as a mental enhancement" vs "steroids as a physical enhancement." One, people bypass steroids by using growth hormones. Two, people who are legitimately prescribed Adderall will often tell you they aren't gaining more focus or concentration.
If anyone knows of the dirt bike racer James Stewart, he was accused of using Adderall to give him a mental edge on his dirt bike races. The spoiler will show a link to what I'm referring to.
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-supercross-stewart-suspension-20141217-story.html
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On April 15 2015 03:22 TRaFFiC wrote:
Pretty much all my friends in the states have Adderall prescriptions and none of them have ADD. Normally, I'm pro legalization of all drugs, but in the case of adderall it is extremely addictive and horrible for your health when abused. Two of my friend are/were addicted. They take up to 160 mg at a time just to reach the same high they did when they started on 30s.
It's an amazing drug to take a few times a year. Gives incredible euphoria, concentration, and more importantly MOTIVATION to do anything. But... it's not good for long term practice or studying since you crash for 24 hours after using (time which could've been spent working).
It could be good for a 1 day tournament, though the signs of use are apparent if you look for them. Restlessness, twitching, rubbing lips and tongue, talking fast etc.
Same with any drug, really. It's great, but you need to be careful with it and know your limits and when to cut back. It's especially true for a lot of prescription drugs as your tolerance to them builds very quickly - that's why you see a lot of people hooked on things like aderall and ritalin, but also oxys and benzos.
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On April 15 2015 03:32 KalWarkov wrote:Foreigners should be allowed to take them, Koreans shouldnt. That might make Blizzcon more interesting take every opportunity you have 
That's like chrono boosting foreigners lol.
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On April 15 2015 03:39 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 03:22 TRaFFiC wrote:
Pretty much all my friends in the states have Adderall prescriptions and none of them have ADD. Normally, I'm pro legalization of all drugs, but in the case of adderall it is extremely addictive and horrible for your health when abused. Two of my friend are/were addicted. They take up to 160 mg at a time just to reach the same high they did when they started on 30s.
It's an amazing drug to take a few times a year. Gives incredible euphoria, concentration, and more importantly MOTIVATION to do anything. But... it's not good for long term practice or studying since you crash for 24 hours after using (time which could've been spent working).
It could be good for a 1 day tournament, though the signs of use are apparent if you look for them. Restlessness, twitching, rubbing lips and tongue, talking fast etc. I don't know how true the above post is, but I'm not entirely sure I'm following you. As someone who's been prescribed Adderall for many years, I can say that a majority of users don't actually go pass the dosage the doctor gives you. When I was a child starting Adderall, they gave me 5mg doses which I was required to take 2 a day (one in the morning and one in the evening). Now that I'm over 21, I've only had to take 1 dose of a 15mg pill (once a day). These doses haven't done much physiological edits towards me. Amphetamine salts are essentially just controlled meth. So if someone is going to quadruple the doses, of course there are negatives to that. You can't assume all of us are trying to "performance enhance" or "abuse drugs" because of your anecdotal evidences. No offense, but your friends sound like they need some serious psychiatric help regarding abuse. Edit: honestly, there's a big difference between "Adderall as a mental enhancement" vs "steroids as a physical enhancement." One, people bypass steroids by using growth hormones. Two, people who are legitimately prescribed Adderall will often tell you they aren't gaining more focus or concentration. If anyone knows of the dirt bike racer James Stewart, he was accused of using Adderall to give him a mental edge on his dirt bike races. The spoiler will show a link to what I'm referring to. + Show Spoiler +http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-supercross-stewart-suspension-20141217-story.html
Yes, the age old argument that it helps people with ADD. There are many issues with that line of thought.
First, adderall is probably the most over prescribed drug in NA. The drug companies are pushing it like crazy. If you ask me, they are no different than the crack dealers selling on the corner. Not only is it handed out like candy, the doses are insane. It's not uncommon to get 2 20mg doses per day or higher. Your dose is mild in comparison.
Second, even people who legitametely need the drug (probably 1% or less of those it is prescribed to) abuse the drug. Just search "adderall" on google and you'll find multiple forums with prescribed users describing abuse. It's not just my experience. It's rampant abuse and understandably so. How can you expect people to resist the urge to overdose when it's one of the most addictive drugs out there? (edit) After abusing it for a few months, it could potentially take years for your brain chemistry to revert to feeling "normal."
I've heard the "it doesn't affect ppl with add" too. Honestly, believe it when I see it. Sure, it might only be my experience, but seems to affect everyone the same.
It's all part of the new "meta" in psychiatry and our society in general, where every problem you have can be cured by a pill. Not just adderall, but anti-depresants are at an all time high in prescriptions.
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On April 15 2015 04:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 03:32 KalWarkov wrote:Foreigners should be allowed to take them, Koreans shouldnt. That might make Blizzcon more interesting take every opportunity you have That's like chrono boosting foreigners lol.
All foreigners should have khaydarin amulet when the game start
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On April 15 2015 05:03 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 04:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 15 2015 03:32 KalWarkov wrote:Foreigners should be allowed to take them, Koreans shouldnt. That might make Blizzcon more interesting take every opportunity you have That's like chrono boosting foreigners lol. All foreigners should have khaydarin amulet when the game start
What if they do, but their only ability is to suck?
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On April 15 2015 02:34 tar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 13:59 brickrd wrote:
anyone should be allowed to do anything they want to their body and if it makes them better at sports they have every right to take advantage It's not about what athletes should or should not be allowed to do with their bodies. Many illegal doping measures are not illegal from a drug enforcement point of view. In sports, ethics play a rather big role: sports competitions do not deem maximum possible performance as the highest good (that would mean allowing all ways to achieve this, including doping but also technical aids, unfair-play, etc) but rather hard work through training of body and mind (ie discipline). In this context performance loses its value if it's based on the use of doping thus the need to ban doping in the first place. Imo, the same applies for eSports. Hard work and dedication (and of course talent) should lead to great games, not the use of drugs.
i don't understand the distinction you're drawing between "what should be allowed" and "ethics." is the point of ethics not what should and shouldn't be allowed?
you say people should only benefit from hard work and dedication, but now you're right back to my point about people who are born privileged with a lot of money, supportive parents and free time to burn. that's not "fair" to someone who grows up poor and has to work part-time to support their family but might have a higher skill upside than some other player. so what? life isn't fair and circumstances aren't the same for everyone.
to me, anyway, using a substance to increase your performance is indeed dedication. you're taking a step (potentially with a downside or risk, although that isn't the entire point) in order to make gains in your field. who cares if it's "easier" than practicing for 900 hours? what you call easy i call efficient. categorizing one thing as "training" and another as a "shortcut" is meaningless elitism in my eyes. if i invent a new natural exercise regimen that helps pro athletes get buffer more quickly, should they spurn it just because it's "easier"? it's totally arbitrary.
hell, you could even say that a player who practices for many hours a day and loses sleep and socialization over it is doing something harmful and that it's unfair to expect other players to do the same thing to achieve success. how is it that taking adderall creates an unfair standard of risk and sacrifice but obsessing over a video game to the point of isolation and sleep deprivation doesn't?
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On April 15 2015 04:48 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 03:39 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 15 2015 03:22 TRaFFiC wrote:
Pretty much all my friends in the states have Adderall prescriptions and none of them have ADD. Normally, I'm pro legalization of all drugs, but in the case of adderall it is extremely addictive and horrible for your health when abused. Two of my friend are/were addicted. They take up to 160 mg at a time just to reach the same high they did when they started on 30s.
It's an amazing drug to take a few times a year. Gives incredible euphoria, concentration, and more importantly MOTIVATION to do anything. But... it's not good for long term practice or studying since you crash for 24 hours after using (time which could've been spent working).
It could be good for a 1 day tournament, though the signs of use are apparent if you look for them. Restlessness, twitching, rubbing lips and tongue, talking fast etc. I don't know how true the above post is, but I'm not entirely sure I'm following you. As someone who's been prescribed Adderall for many years, I can say that a majority of users don't actually go pass the dosage the doctor gives you. When I was a child starting Adderall, they gave me 5mg doses which I was required to take 2 a day (one in the morning and one in the evening). Now that I'm over 21, I've only had to take 1 dose of a 15mg pill (once a day). These doses haven't done much physiological edits towards me. Amphetamine salts are essentially just controlled meth. So if someone is going to quadruple the doses, of course there are negatives to that. You can't assume all of us are trying to "performance enhance" or "abuse drugs" because of your anecdotal evidences. No offense, but your friends sound like they need some serious psychiatric help regarding abuse. Edit: honestly, there's a big difference between "Adderall as a mental enhancement" vs "steroids as a physical enhancement." One, people bypass steroids by using growth hormones. Two, people who are legitimately prescribed Adderall will often tell you they aren't gaining more focus or concentration. If anyone knows of the dirt bike racer James Stewart, he was accused of using Adderall to give him a mental edge on his dirt bike races. The spoiler will show a link to what I'm referring to. + Show Spoiler +http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-supercross-stewart-suspension-20141217-story.html Yes, the age old argument that it helps people with ADD. There are many issues with that line of thought. First, adderall is probably the most over prescribed drug in NA. The drug companies are pushing it like crazy. If you ask me, they are no different than the crack dealers selling on the corner. Not only is it handed out like candy, the doses are insane. It's not uncommon to get 2 20mg doses per day or higher. Your dose is mild in comparison. Second, even people who legitametely need the drug (probably 1% or less of those it is prescribed to) abuse the drug. Just search "adderall" on google and you'll find multiple forums with prescribed users describing abuse. It's not just my experience. It's rampant abuse and understandably so. How can you expect people to resist the urge to overdose when it's one of the most addictive drugs out there? (edit) After abusing it for a few months, it could potentially take years for your brain chemistry to revert to feeling "normal." I've heard the "it doesn't affect ppl with add" too. Honestly, believe it when I see it. Sure, it might only be my experience, but seems to affect everyone the same. It's all part of the new "meta" in psychiatry and our society in general, where every problem you have can be cured by a pill. Not just adderall, but anti-depresants are at an all time high in prescriptions.
I'm not sure where your illusion towards adderall is, but I can't find a site claiming it's one of the most prescribed drugs in the united states. In fact, neither WebMD nor medscape mention it within their reviews of prescribed drugs. So I'm going to need a source or two for you to back that claim up. However, psychiatric wise, it is on a list on a 2013 list from psych central.
Secondly, searching adderall on google doesn't link me to any boards showing abuse. In fact, it shows me multiple links from people trying to shill for the substance. I'm not saying abuse isn't likely like with other drugs controlled substances. However, to assume a massive amount of people being prescribed the drug "instantly" turn to abuse is preposterous.
While there are misdiagnoses and people who front having symptoms of ADHD, due to it lacking a standardized method of testing, there are psychiatrists and neurologists already who do their best to watch out for people faking symptoms. And other than anecdotal claims, there's no true way of knowing if a person benefits from using amphetamine salts. However, I can say that people have at least benefited from feeling their smarter or feeling they can study more strongly. That alone is why the drug has been getting so much attention.
Finally, in regards towards the argument of it actually enhancing one's performance. Realistically, I would flat out say that isn't entirely true. Ginseng is technically a stimulant as well. Is that going to be an argument towards Asians and their ability to play games better? Stimulants in general, like coffee, are what's causing people to "study" or concentrate on things they like to do.
Medscape top 100 most prescribed drugs: + Show Spoiler +http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/829246
Psychcentral: + Show Spoiler +
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On April 15 2015 06:44 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 04:48 TRaFFiC wrote:On April 15 2015 03:39 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 15 2015 03:22 TRaFFiC wrote:
Pretty much all my friends in the states have Adderall prescriptions and none of them have ADD. Normally, I'm pro legalization of all drugs, but in the case of adderall it is extremely addictive and horrible for your health when abused. Two of my friend are/were addicted. They take up to 160 mg at a time just to reach the same high they did when they started on 30s.
It's an amazing drug to take a few times a year. Gives incredible euphoria, concentration, and more importantly MOTIVATION to do anything. But... it's not good for long term practice or studying since you crash for 24 hours after using (time which could've been spent working).
It could be good for a 1 day tournament, though the signs of use are apparent if you look for them. Restlessness, twitching, rubbing lips and tongue, talking fast etc. I don't know how true the above post is, but I'm not entirely sure I'm following you. As someone who's been prescribed Adderall for many years, I can say that a majority of users don't actually go pass the dosage the doctor gives you. When I was a child starting Adderall, they gave me 5mg doses which I was required to take 2 a day (one in the morning and one in the evening). Now that I'm over 21, I've only had to take 1 dose of a 15mg pill (once a day). These doses haven't done much physiological edits towards me. Amphetamine salts are essentially just controlled meth. So if someone is going to quadruple the doses, of course there are negatives to that. You can't assume all of us are trying to "performance enhance" or "abuse drugs" because of your anecdotal evidences. No offense, but your friends sound like they need some serious psychiatric help regarding abuse. Edit: honestly, there's a big difference between "Adderall as a mental enhancement" vs "steroids as a physical enhancement." One, people bypass steroids by using growth hormones. Two, people who are legitimately prescribed Adderall will often tell you they aren't gaining more focus or concentration. If anyone knows of the dirt bike racer James Stewart, he was accused of using Adderall to give him a mental edge on his dirt bike races. The spoiler will show a link to what I'm referring to. + Show Spoiler +http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-supercross-stewart-suspension-20141217-story.html Yes, the age old argument that it helps people with ADD. There are many issues with that line of thought. First, adderall is probably the most over prescribed drug in NA. The drug companies are pushing it like crazy. If you ask me, they are no different than the crack dealers selling on the corner. Not only is it handed out like candy, the doses are insane. It's not uncommon to get 2 20mg doses per day or higher. Your dose is mild in comparison. Second, even people who legitametely need the drug (probably 1% or less of those it is prescribed to) abuse the drug. Just search "adderall" on google and you'll find multiple forums with prescribed users describing abuse. It's not just my experience. It's rampant abuse and understandably so. How can you expect people to resist the urge to overdose when it's one of the most addictive drugs out there? (edit) After abusing it for a few months, it could potentially take years for your brain chemistry to revert to feeling "normal." I've heard the "it doesn't affect ppl with add" too. Honestly, believe it when I see it. Sure, it might only be my experience, but seems to affect everyone the same. It's all part of the new "meta" in psychiatry and our society in general, where every problem you have can be cured by a pill. Not just adderall, but anti-depresants are at an all time high in prescriptions. I'm not sure where your illusion towards adderall is, but I can't find a site claiming it's one of the most prescribed drugs in the united states. In fact, neither WebMD nor medscape mention it within their reviews of prescribed drugs. So I'm going to need a source or two for you to back that claim up. However, psychiatric wise, it is on a list on a 2013 list from psych central. Secondly, searching adderall on google doesn't link me to any boards showing abuse. In fact, it shows me multiple links from people trying to shill for the substance. I'm not saying abuse isn't likely like with other drugs controlled substances. However, to assume a massive amount of people being prescribed the drug "instantly" turn to abuse is preposterous. While there are misdiagnoses and people who front having symptoms of ADHD, due to it lacking a standardized method of testing, there are psychiatrists and neurologists already who do their best to watch out for people faking symptoms. And other than anecdotal claims, there's no true way of knowing if a person benefits from using amphetamine salts. However, I can say that people have at least benefited from feeling their smarter or feeling they can study more strongly. That alone is why the drug has been getting so much attention. Finally, in regards towards the argument of it actually enhancing one's performance. Realistically, I would flat out say that isn't entirely true. Ginseng is technically a stimulant as well. Is that going to be an argument towards Asians and their ability to play games better? Stimulants in general, like coffee, are what's causing people to "study" or concentrate on things they like to do. Medscape top 100 most prescribed drugs: + Show Spoiler +http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/829246 Psychcentral: + Show Spoiler +
I said OVERprescribed, not most prescribed. Though the link that you posted shows it among the most prescribed AND increasing at a high rate. Is this because more people have add? Is it because we are now more capable at diagnosing it? I would say no.
You can't find any forums showing abuse by people PRESCRIBED adderall? What? Try being the least bit creative with your searches.
http://www.xojane.com/issues/adderall-is-the-best-and-worst-thing-ever
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/634642-How-much-Adderall-do-you-take
Here's an article from the Wall Street Journal. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444301704577631591596516110
" to assume a massive amount of people being prescribed the drug "instantly" turn to abuse is preposterous."
It's not preposterous at all. If you had a bag of cocaine in your room and you were only supposed to sniff .1 gram per day, how long before you got curious and sniffed half the bag? Especially when your doctor tells you it's okay. Not to mention, Adderall is cheap as fuck compared to Cocaine. Actually, funnily enough, you can snort Adderall.
The "tests" for prescribing Adderall to people are useless. The only important factor is whether you want it or not. I personally know 5 people who got it and none of them had to do anything special.
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On April 15 2015 08:03 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 06:44 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 15 2015 04:48 TRaFFiC wrote:On April 15 2015 03:39 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 15 2015 03:22 TRaFFiC wrote:
Pretty much all my friends in the states have Adderall prescriptions and none of them have ADD. Normally, I'm pro legalization of all drugs, but in the case of adderall it is extremely addictive and horrible for your health when abused. Two of my friend are/were addicted. They take up to 160 mg at a time just to reach the same high they did when they started on 30s.
It's an amazing drug to take a few times a year. Gives incredible euphoria, concentration, and more importantly MOTIVATION to do anything. But... it's not good for long term practice or studying since you crash for 24 hours after using (time which could've been spent working).
It could be good for a 1 day tournament, though the signs of use are apparent if you look for them. Restlessness, twitching, rubbing lips and tongue, talking fast etc. I don't know how true the above post is, but I'm not entirely sure I'm following you. As someone who's been prescribed Adderall for many years, I can say that a majority of users don't actually go pass the dosage the doctor gives you. When I was a child starting Adderall, they gave me 5mg doses which I was required to take 2 a day (one in the morning and one in the evening). Now that I'm over 21, I've only had to take 1 dose of a 15mg pill (once a day). These doses haven't done much physiological edits towards me. Amphetamine salts are essentially just controlled meth. So if someone is going to quadruple the doses, of course there are negatives to that. You can't assume all of us are trying to "performance enhance" or "abuse drugs" because of your anecdotal evidences. No offense, but your friends sound like they need some serious psychiatric help regarding abuse. Edit: honestly, there's a big difference between "Adderall as a mental enhancement" vs "steroids as a physical enhancement." One, people bypass steroids by using growth hormones. Two, people who are legitimately prescribed Adderall will often tell you they aren't gaining more focus or concentration. If anyone knows of the dirt bike racer James Stewart, he was accused of using Adderall to give him a mental edge on his dirt bike races. The spoiler will show a link to what I'm referring to. + Show Spoiler +http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-supercross-stewart-suspension-20141217-story.html Yes, the age old argument that it helps people with ADD. There are many issues with that line of thought. First, adderall is probably the most over prescribed drug in NA. The drug companies are pushing it like crazy. If you ask me, they are no different than the crack dealers selling on the corner. Not only is it handed out like candy, the doses are insane. It's not uncommon to get 2 20mg doses per day or higher. Your dose is mild in comparison. Second, even people who legitametely need the drug (probably 1% or less of those it is prescribed to) abuse the drug. Just search "adderall" on google and you'll find multiple forums with prescribed users describing abuse. It's not just my experience. It's rampant abuse and understandably so. How can you expect people to resist the urge to overdose when it's one of the most addictive drugs out there? (edit) After abusing it for a few months, it could potentially take years for your brain chemistry to revert to feeling "normal." I've heard the "it doesn't affect ppl with add" too. Honestly, believe it when I see it. Sure, it might only be my experience, but seems to affect everyone the same. It's all part of the new "meta" in psychiatry and our society in general, where every problem you have can be cured by a pill. Not just adderall, but anti-depresants are at an all time high in prescriptions. I'm not sure where your illusion towards adderall is, but I can't find a site claiming it's one of the most prescribed drugs in the united states. In fact, neither WebMD nor medscape mention it within their reviews of prescribed drugs. So I'm going to need a source or two for you to back that claim up. However, psychiatric wise, it is on a list on a 2013 list from psych central. Secondly, searching adderall on google doesn't link me to any boards showing abuse. In fact, it shows me multiple links from people trying to shill for the substance. I'm not saying abuse isn't likely like with other drugs controlled substances. However, to assume a massive amount of people being prescribed the drug "instantly" turn to abuse is preposterous. While there are misdiagnoses and people who front having symptoms of ADHD, due to it lacking a standardized method of testing, there are psychiatrists and neurologists already who do their best to watch out for people faking symptoms. And other than anecdotal claims, there's no true way of knowing if a person benefits from using amphetamine salts. However, I can say that people have at least benefited from feeling their smarter or feeling they can study more strongly. That alone is why the drug has been getting so much attention. Finally, in regards towards the argument of it actually enhancing one's performance. Realistically, I would flat out say that isn't entirely true. Ginseng is technically a stimulant as well. Is that going to be an argument towards Asians and their ability to play games better? Stimulants in general, like coffee, are what's causing people to "study" or concentrate on things they like to do. Medscape top 100 most prescribed drugs: + Show Spoiler +http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/829246 Psychcentral: + Show Spoiler + I said OVERprescribed, not most prescribed. Though the link that you posted shows it among the most prescribed AND increasing at a high rate. Is this because more people have add? Is it because we are now more capable at diagnosing it? I would say no. You can't find any forums showing abuse by people PRESCRIBED adderall? What? Try being the least bit creative with your searches. http://www.xojane.com/issues/adderall-is-the-best-and-worst-thing-everhttp://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/634642-How-much-Adderall-do-you-takeHere's an article from the Wall Street Journal. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444301704577631591596516110" to assume a massive amount of people being prescribed the drug "instantly" turn to abuse is preposterous." It's not preposterous at all. If you had a bag of cocaine in your room and you were only supposed to sniff .1 gram per day, how long before you got curious and sniffed half the bag? Especially when your doctor tells you it's okay. Not to mention, Adderall is cheap as fuck compared to Cocaine. Actually, funnily enough, you can snort Adderall. The "tests" for prescribing Adderall to people are useless. The only important factor is whether you want it or not. I personally know 5 people who got it and none of them had to do anything special.
Are you seriously going to argue with me using bluelight forums? You tell me to be creative, but you go to one of the most ridiculous websites. Bluelight is a typical website used, almost like erowid really, to discuss over-dosages or even attempts to retrieve substances when one cannot get them via a medical professional.
The over-prescription (which I originally misread, and for that, I apologize) lies within parents being unaware of ADHD and simply listening to their doctor. Of course, as a consequence, we're going to see an increase of children getting adderall or ritalin prescribed. I highly doubt my mother really knew what the kaiser psychiatrist was talking about towards "ADHD," like a majority of other parents. However, this still doesn't equate to people turning to and abusing adderall. You're running under the assumption that people are overly curious and will step out of bounds from what their doctor tells them. And you're also going to argue that doctors INSIST the patient further their dosage or even take DOUBLE the amount? What sort of allegation is that. Are you even aware of the potential consequences of the DSM regarding misdiagnosis? I highly doubt a doctor is going to put his license on the line in order for their patients to enjoy themselves.
That cocaine reference is also laughable. This is some serious "nanny state-esque" sort of statement. If I give a person over 160mgs of caffeine a day, how much longer will the person attempt to do 320 mgs? Or even boost themselves to caffeine pills. If a person naturally suffers from addictive properties, he or she is going to abuse. That doesn't relate to the rest of the U.S. population.
Not to mention, when it comes to adults suffering ADHD symptoms, doctors are even more cautious towards giving out the drug. Usually, they will start with an SSRI before considering a psycho-stimulant. Especially since adult ADHD is expected to be seen my medical records which showed you had those similarities as a child. ADHD isn't something that just appears out of nowhere. Even during TBIs, doctor's won't be quick to medicate the patient with psycho-stimulants.
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On April 15 2015 08:39 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 08:03 TRaFFiC wrote:On April 15 2015 06:44 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 15 2015 04:48 TRaFFiC wrote:On April 15 2015 03:39 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 15 2015 03:22 TRaFFiC wrote:
Pretty much all my friends in the states have Adderall prescriptions and none of them have ADD. Normally, I'm pro legalization of all drugs, but in the case of adderall it is extremely addictive and horrible for your health when abused. Two of my friend are/were addicted. They take up to 160 mg at a time just to reach the same high they did when they started on 30s.
It's an amazing drug to take a few times a year. Gives incredible euphoria, concentration, and more importantly MOTIVATION to do anything. But... it's not good for long term practice or studying since you crash for 24 hours after using (time which could've been spent working).
It could be good for a 1 day tournament, though the signs of use are apparent if you look for them. Restlessness, twitching, rubbing lips and tongue, talking fast etc. I don't know how true the above post is, but I'm not entirely sure I'm following you. As someone who's been prescribed Adderall for many years, I can say that a majority of users don't actually go pass the dosage the doctor gives you. When I was a child starting Adderall, they gave me 5mg doses which I was required to take 2 a day (one in the morning and one in the evening). Now that I'm over 21, I've only had to take 1 dose of a 15mg pill (once a day). These doses haven't done much physiological edits towards me. Amphetamine salts are essentially just controlled meth. So if someone is going to quadruple the doses, of course there are negatives to that. You can't assume all of us are trying to "performance enhance" or "abuse drugs" because of your anecdotal evidences. No offense, but your friends sound like they need some serious psychiatric help regarding abuse. Edit: honestly, there's a big difference between "Adderall as a mental enhancement" vs "steroids as a physical enhancement." One, people bypass steroids by using growth hormones. Two, people who are legitimately prescribed Adderall will often tell you they aren't gaining more focus or concentration. If anyone knows of the dirt bike racer James Stewart, he was accused of using Adderall to give him a mental edge on his dirt bike races. The spoiler will show a link to what I'm referring to. + Show Spoiler +http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-supercross-stewart-suspension-20141217-story.html Yes, the age old argument that it helps people with ADD. There are many issues with that line of thought. First, adderall is probably the most over prescribed drug in NA. The drug companies are pushing it like crazy. If you ask me, they are no different than the crack dealers selling on the corner. Not only is it handed out like candy, the doses are insane. It's not uncommon to get 2 20mg doses per day or higher. Your dose is mild in comparison. Second, even people who legitametely need the drug (probably 1% or less of those it is prescribed to) abuse the drug. Just search "adderall" on google and you'll find multiple forums with prescribed users describing abuse. It's not just my experience. It's rampant abuse and understandably so. How can you expect people to resist the urge to overdose when it's one of the most addictive drugs out there? (edit) After abusing it for a few months, it could potentially take years for your brain chemistry to revert to feeling "normal." I've heard the "it doesn't affect ppl with add" too. Honestly, believe it when I see it. Sure, it might only be my experience, but seems to affect everyone the same. It's all part of the new "meta" in psychiatry and our society in general, where every problem you have can be cured by a pill. Not just adderall, but anti-depresants are at an all time high in prescriptions. I'm not sure where your illusion towards adderall is, but I can't find a site claiming it's one of the most prescribed drugs in the united states. In fact, neither WebMD nor medscape mention it within their reviews of prescribed drugs. So I'm going to need a source or two for you to back that claim up. However, psychiatric wise, it is on a list on a 2013 list from psych central. Secondly, searching adderall on google doesn't link me to any boards showing abuse. In fact, it shows me multiple links from people trying to shill for the substance. I'm not saying abuse isn't likely like with other drugs controlled substances. However, to assume a massive amount of people being prescribed the drug "instantly" turn to abuse is preposterous. While there are misdiagnoses and people who front having symptoms of ADHD, due to it lacking a standardized method of testing, there are psychiatrists and neurologists already who do their best to watch out for people faking symptoms. And other than anecdotal claims, there's no true way of knowing if a person benefits from using amphetamine salts. However, I can say that people have at least benefited from feeling their smarter or feeling they can study more strongly. That alone is why the drug has been getting so much attention. Finally, in regards towards the argument of it actually enhancing one's performance. Realistically, I would flat out say that isn't entirely true. Ginseng is technically a stimulant as well. Is that going to be an argument towards Asians and their ability to play games better? Stimulants in general, like coffee, are what's causing people to "study" or concentrate on things they like to do. Medscape top 100 most prescribed drugs: + Show Spoiler +http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/829246 Psychcentral: + Show Spoiler + I said OVERprescribed, not most prescribed. Though the link that you posted shows it among the most prescribed AND increasing at a high rate. Is this because more people have add? Is it because we are now more capable at diagnosing it? I would say no. You can't find any forums showing abuse by people PRESCRIBED adderall? What? Try being the least bit creative with your searches. http://www.xojane.com/issues/adderall-is-the-best-and-worst-thing-everhttp://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/634642-How-much-Adderall-do-you-takeHere's an article from the Wall Street Journal. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444301704577631591596516110" to assume a massive amount of people being prescribed the drug "instantly" turn to abuse is preposterous." It's not preposterous at all. If you had a bag of cocaine in your room and you were only supposed to sniff .1 gram per day, how long before you got curious and sniffed half the bag? Especially when your doctor tells you it's okay. Not to mention, Adderall is cheap as fuck compared to Cocaine. Actually, funnily enough, you can snort Adderall. The "tests" for prescribing Adderall to people are useless. The only important factor is whether you want it or not. I personally know 5 people who got it and none of them had to do anything special. Are you seriously going to argue with me using bluelight forums? You tell me to be creative, but you go to one of the most ridiculous websites. Bluelight is a typical website used, almost like erowid really, to discuss over-dosages or even attempts to retrieve substances when one cannot get them via a medical professional. The over-prescription (which I originally misread, and for that, I apologize) lies within parents being unaware of ADHD and simply listening to their doctor. Of course, as a consequence, we're going to see an increase of children getting adderall or ritalin prescribed. I highly doubt my mother really knew what the kaiser psychiatrist was talking about towards "ADHD," like a majority of other parents. However, this still doesn't equate to people turning to and abusing adderall. You're running under the assumption that people are overly curious and will step out of bounds from what their doctor tells them. And you're also going to argue that doctors INSIST the patient further their dosage or even take DOUBLE the amount? What sort of allegation is that. Are you even aware of the potential consequences of the DSM regarding misdiagnosis? I highly doubt a doctor is going to put his license on the line in order for their patients to enjoy themselves. That cocaine reference is also laughable. This is some serious "nanny state-esque" sort of statement. If I give a person over 160mgs of caffeine a day, how much longer will the person attempt to do 320 mgs? Or even boost themselves to caffeine pills. If a person naturally suffers from addictive properties, he or she is going to abuse. That doesn't relate to the rest of the U.S. population. Not to mention, when it comes to adults suffering ADHD symptoms, doctors are even more cautious towards giving out the drug. Usually, they will start with an SSRI before considering a psycho-stimulant. Especially since adult ADHD is expected to be seen my medical records which showed you had those similarities as a child. ADHD isn't something that just appears out of nowhere. Even during TBIs, doctor's won't be quick to medicate the patient with psycho-stimulants.
I'm not using the forums as evidence of some scientific phenomenon. I'm using it as evidence of rampant abuse of Adderall by prescribed users.
"The over-prescription (which I originally misread, and for that, I apologize) lies within parents being unaware of ADHD and simply listening to their doctor"
I don't believe so. It's all about the $$$ i.e. sales of the product. More doctors prescribe adderall, more adderall is sold. It also helps that's it's a really popular drug.
Caffeine is not in the same category as Cocaine or Adderall. It's much easier to become addicted to adderall. I agree people with addictive personalities are more likely to become addicted, but that doesn't mean normal people will not become addicted as well. That's the nature of hardcore drugs like Meth, Heroine, Cocaine, and Adderall. They're addictive to everyone.
Anyway, are you one of the people who supposedly doesn't feel the affects from Adderall because you have ADHD? If so, please take 30 mg, then 60 mg the next day and report back. Been wondering about this for years. 
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On April 15 2015 08:52 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 08:39 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 15 2015 08:03 TRaFFiC wrote:On April 15 2015 06:44 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 15 2015 04:48 TRaFFiC wrote:On April 15 2015 03:39 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 15 2015 03:22 TRaFFiC wrote:
Pretty much all my friends in the states have Adderall prescriptions and none of them have ADD. Normally, I'm pro legalization of all drugs, but in the case of adderall it is extremely addictive and horrible for your health when abused. Two of my friend are/were addicted. They take up to 160 mg at a time just to reach the same high they did when they started on 30s.
It's an amazing drug to take a few times a year. Gives incredible euphoria, concentration, and more importantly MOTIVATION to do anything. But... it's not good for long term practice or studying since you crash for 24 hours after using (time which could've been spent working).
It could be good for a 1 day tournament, though the signs of use are apparent if you look for them. Restlessness, twitching, rubbing lips and tongue, talking fast etc. I don't know how true the above post is, but I'm not entirely sure I'm following you. As someone who's been prescribed Adderall for many years, I can say that a majority of users don't actually go pass the dosage the doctor gives you. When I was a child starting Adderall, they gave me 5mg doses which I was required to take 2 a day (one in the morning and one in the evening). Now that I'm over 21, I've only had to take 1 dose of a 15mg pill (once a day). These doses haven't done much physiological edits towards me. Amphetamine salts are essentially just controlled meth. So if someone is going to quadruple the doses, of course there are negatives to that. You can't assume all of us are trying to "performance enhance" or "abuse drugs" because of your anecdotal evidences. No offense, but your friends sound like they need some serious psychiatric help regarding abuse. Edit: honestly, there's a big difference between "Adderall as a mental enhancement" vs "steroids as a physical enhancement." One, people bypass steroids by using growth hormones. Two, people who are legitimately prescribed Adderall will often tell you they aren't gaining more focus or concentration. If anyone knows of the dirt bike racer James Stewart, he was accused of using Adderall to give him a mental edge on his dirt bike races. The spoiler will show a link to what I'm referring to. + Show Spoiler +http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-supercross-stewart-suspension-20141217-story.html Yes, the age old argument that it helps people with ADD. There are many issues with that line of thought. First, adderall is probably the most over prescribed drug in NA. The drug companies are pushing it like crazy. If you ask me, they are no different than the crack dealers selling on the corner. Not only is it handed out like candy, the doses are insane. It's not uncommon to get 2 20mg doses per day or higher. Your dose is mild in comparison. Second, even people who legitametely need the drug (probably 1% or less of those it is prescribed to) abuse the drug. Just search "adderall" on google and you'll find multiple forums with prescribed users describing abuse. It's not just my experience. It's rampant abuse and understandably so. How can you expect people to resist the urge to overdose when it's one of the most addictive drugs out there? (edit) After abusing it for a few months, it could potentially take years for your brain chemistry to revert to feeling "normal." I've heard the "it doesn't affect ppl with add" too. Honestly, believe it when I see it. Sure, it might only be my experience, but seems to affect everyone the same. It's all part of the new "meta" in psychiatry and our society in general, where every problem you have can be cured by a pill. Not just adderall, but anti-depresants are at an all time high in prescriptions. I'm not sure where your illusion towards adderall is, but I can't find a site claiming it's one of the most prescribed drugs in the united states. In fact, neither WebMD nor medscape mention it within their reviews of prescribed drugs. So I'm going to need a source or two for you to back that claim up. However, psychiatric wise, it is on a list on a 2013 list from psych central. Secondly, searching adderall on google doesn't link me to any boards showing abuse. In fact, it shows me multiple links from people trying to shill for the substance. I'm not saying abuse isn't likely like with other drugs controlled substances. However, to assume a massive amount of people being prescribed the drug "instantly" turn to abuse is preposterous. While there are misdiagnoses and people who front having symptoms of ADHD, due to it lacking a standardized method of testing, there are psychiatrists and neurologists already who do their best to watch out for people faking symptoms. And other than anecdotal claims, there's no true way of knowing if a person benefits from using amphetamine salts. However, I can say that people have at least benefited from feeling their smarter or feeling they can study more strongly. That alone is why the drug has been getting so much attention. Finally, in regards towards the argument of it actually enhancing one's performance. Realistically, I would flat out say that isn't entirely true. Ginseng is technically a stimulant as well. Is that going to be an argument towards Asians and their ability to play games better? Stimulants in general, like coffee, are what's causing people to "study" or concentrate on things they like to do. Medscape top 100 most prescribed drugs: + Show Spoiler +http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/829246 Psychcentral: + Show Spoiler + I said OVERprescribed, not most prescribed. Though the link that you posted shows it among the most prescribed AND increasing at a high rate. Is this because more people have add? Is it because we are now more capable at diagnosing it? I would say no. You can't find any forums showing abuse by people PRESCRIBED adderall? What? Try being the least bit creative with your searches. http://www.xojane.com/issues/adderall-is-the-best-and-worst-thing-everhttp://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/634642-How-much-Adderall-do-you-takeHere's an article from the Wall Street Journal. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444301704577631591596516110" to assume a massive amount of people being prescribed the drug "instantly" turn to abuse is preposterous." It's not preposterous at all. If you had a bag of cocaine in your room and you were only supposed to sniff .1 gram per day, how long before you got curious and sniffed half the bag? Especially when your doctor tells you it's okay. Not to mention, Adderall is cheap as fuck compared to Cocaine. Actually, funnily enough, you can snort Adderall. The "tests" for prescribing Adderall to people are useless. The only important factor is whether you want it or not. I personally know 5 people who got it and none of them had to do anything special. Are you seriously going to argue with me using bluelight forums? You tell me to be creative, but you go to one of the most ridiculous websites. Bluelight is a typical website used, almost like erowid really, to discuss over-dosages or even attempts to retrieve substances when one cannot get them via a medical professional. The over-prescription (which I originally misread, and for that, I apologize) lies within parents being unaware of ADHD and simply listening to their doctor. Of course, as a consequence, we're going to see an increase of children getting adderall or ritalin prescribed. I highly doubt my mother really knew what the kaiser psychiatrist was talking about towards "ADHD," like a majority of other parents. However, this still doesn't equate to people turning to and abusing adderall. You're running under the assumption that people are overly curious and will step out of bounds from what their doctor tells them. And you're also going to argue that doctors INSIST the patient further their dosage or even take DOUBLE the amount? What sort of allegation is that. Are you even aware of the potential consequences of the DSM regarding misdiagnosis? I highly doubt a doctor is going to put his license on the line in order for their patients to enjoy themselves. That cocaine reference is also laughable. This is some serious "nanny state-esque" sort of statement. If I give a person over 160mgs of caffeine a day, how much longer will the person attempt to do 320 mgs? Or even boost themselves to caffeine pills. If a person naturally suffers from addictive properties, he or she is going to abuse. That doesn't relate to the rest of the U.S. population. Not to mention, when it comes to adults suffering ADHD symptoms, doctors are even more cautious towards giving out the drug. Usually, they will start with an SSRI before considering a psycho-stimulant. Especially since adult ADHD is expected to be seen my medical records which showed you had those similarities as a child. ADHD isn't something that just appears out of nowhere. Even during TBIs, doctor's won't be quick to medicate the patient with psycho-stimulants. I'm not using the forums as evidence of some scientific phenomenon. I'm using it as evidence of rampant abuse of Adderall by prescribed users. "The over-prescription (which I originally misread, and for that, I apologize) lies within parents being unaware of ADHD and simply listening to their doctor" I don't believe so. It's all about the $$$ i.e. sales of the product. More doctors prescribe adderall, more adderall is sold. It also helps that's it's a really popular drug. Caffeine is not in the same category as Cocaine or Adderall. It's much easier to become addicted to adderall. I agree people with addictive personalities are more likely to become addicted, but that doesn't mean normal people will not become addicted as well. That's the nature of hardcore drugs like Meth, Heroine, Cocaine, and Adderall. They're addictive to everyone. Anyway, are you one of the people who supposedly doesn't feel the affects from Adderall because you have ADHD? If so, please take 30 mg, then 60 mg the next day and report back. Been wondering about this for years.
Caffeine is almost exactly the the same. The difference lies in potency, which of course it's way less than a direct psycho-active stimulant. That's why it isn't a scheduled drug. addiction is addiction regardless of how you wish to look at it. A man or woman could snort heroine habitually without actually being addicted in fact.
Your viewpoint towards medical professionals is something I can't contest. If you believe it's for money, I can't say my trust towards them is superior to your distrust. However, that still won't answer the question which is being proposed: are psycho-active stimulants considered mental enhancements. In some cases they are, but not what's currently being considered. If you take adderall, you aren't going to suddenly fly to GM from bronze. Many reports with share this.
Even if I was stupid enough to double or triple my dosage, winning an argument wouldn't be the reason. Idk what you're even attempting to prove with that.
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On April 15 2015 09:07 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 08:52 TRaFFiC wrote:On April 15 2015 08:39 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 15 2015 08:03 TRaFFiC wrote:On April 15 2015 06:44 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 15 2015 04:48 TRaFFiC wrote:On April 15 2015 03:39 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 15 2015 03:22 TRaFFiC wrote:
Pretty much all my friends in the states have Adderall prescriptions and none of them have ADD. Normally, I'm pro legalization of all drugs, but in the case of adderall it is extremely addictive and horrible for your health when abused. Two of my friend are/were addicted. They take up to 160 mg at a time just to reach the same high they did when they started on 30s.
It's an amazing drug to take a few times a year. Gives incredible euphoria, concentration, and more importantly MOTIVATION to do anything. But... it's not good for long term practice or studying since you crash for 24 hours after using (time which could've been spent working).
It could be good for a 1 day tournament, though the signs of use are apparent if you look for them. Restlessness, twitching, rubbing lips and tongue, talking fast etc. I don't know how true the above post is, but I'm not entirely sure I'm following you. As someone who's been prescribed Adderall for many years, I can say that a majority of users don't actually go pass the dosage the doctor gives you. When I was a child starting Adderall, they gave me 5mg doses which I was required to take 2 a day (one in the morning and one in the evening). Now that I'm over 21, I've only had to take 1 dose of a 15mg pill (once a day). These doses haven't done much physiological edits towards me. Amphetamine salts are essentially just controlled meth. So if someone is going to quadruple the doses, of course there are negatives to that. You can't assume all of us are trying to "performance enhance" or "abuse drugs" because of your anecdotal evidences. No offense, but your friends sound like they need some serious psychiatric help regarding abuse. Edit: honestly, there's a big difference between "Adderall as a mental enhancement" vs "steroids as a physical enhancement." One, people bypass steroids by using growth hormones. Two, people who are legitimately prescribed Adderall will often tell you they aren't gaining more focus or concentration. If anyone knows of the dirt bike racer James Stewart, he was accused of using Adderall to give him a mental edge on his dirt bike races. The spoiler will show a link to what I'm referring to. + Show Spoiler +http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-supercross-stewart-suspension-20141217-story.html Yes, the age old argument that it helps people with ADD. There are many issues with that line of thought. First, adderall is probably the most over prescribed drug in NA. The drug companies are pushing it like crazy. If you ask me, they are no different than the crack dealers selling on the corner. Not only is it handed out like candy, the doses are insane. It's not uncommon to get 2 20mg doses per day or higher. Your dose is mild in comparison. Second, even people who legitametely need the drug (probably 1% or less of those it is prescribed to) abuse the drug. Just search "adderall" on google and you'll find multiple forums with prescribed users describing abuse. It's not just my experience. It's rampant abuse and understandably so. How can you expect people to resist the urge to overdose when it's one of the most addictive drugs out there? (edit) After abusing it for a few months, it could potentially take years for your brain chemistry to revert to feeling "normal." I've heard the "it doesn't affect ppl with add" too. Honestly, believe it when I see it. Sure, it might only be my experience, but seems to affect everyone the same. It's all part of the new "meta" in psychiatry and our society in general, where every problem you have can be cured by a pill. Not just adderall, but anti-depresants are at an all time high in prescriptions. I'm not sure where your illusion towards adderall is, but I can't find a site claiming it's one of the most prescribed drugs in the united states. In fact, neither WebMD nor medscape mention it within their reviews of prescribed drugs. So I'm going to need a source or two for you to back that claim up. However, psychiatric wise, it is on a list on a 2013 list from psych central. Secondly, searching adderall on google doesn't link me to any boards showing abuse. In fact, it shows me multiple links from people trying to shill for the substance. I'm not saying abuse isn't likely like with other drugs controlled substances. However, to assume a massive amount of people being prescribed the drug "instantly" turn to abuse is preposterous. While there are misdiagnoses and people who front having symptoms of ADHD, due to it lacking a standardized method of testing, there are psychiatrists and neurologists already who do their best to watch out for people faking symptoms. And other than anecdotal claims, there's no true way of knowing if a person benefits from using amphetamine salts. However, I can say that people have at least benefited from feeling their smarter or feeling they can study more strongly. That alone is why the drug has been getting so much attention. Finally, in regards towards the argument of it actually enhancing one's performance. Realistically, I would flat out say that isn't entirely true. Ginseng is technically a stimulant as well. Is that going to be an argument towards Asians and their ability to play games better? Stimulants in general, like coffee, are what's causing people to "study" or concentrate on things they like to do. Medscape top 100 most prescribed drugs: + Show Spoiler +http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/829246 Psychcentral: + Show Spoiler + I said OVERprescribed, not most prescribed. Though the link that you posted shows it among the most prescribed AND increasing at a high rate. Is this because more people have add? Is it because we are now more capable at diagnosing it? I would say no. You can't find any forums showing abuse by people PRESCRIBED adderall? What? Try being the least bit creative with your searches. http://www.xojane.com/issues/adderall-is-the-best-and-worst-thing-everhttp://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/634642-How-much-Adderall-do-you-takeHere's an article from the Wall Street Journal. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444301704577631591596516110" to assume a massive amount of people being prescribed the drug "instantly" turn to abuse is preposterous." It's not preposterous at all. If you had a bag of cocaine in your room and you were only supposed to sniff .1 gram per day, how long before you got curious and sniffed half the bag? Especially when your doctor tells you it's okay. Not to mention, Adderall is cheap as fuck compared to Cocaine. Actually, funnily enough, you can snort Adderall. The "tests" for prescribing Adderall to people are useless. The only important factor is whether you want it or not. I personally know 5 people who got it and none of them had to do anything special. Are you seriously going to argue with me using bluelight forums? You tell me to be creative, but you go to one of the most ridiculous websites. Bluelight is a typical website used, almost like erowid really, to discuss over-dosages or even attempts to retrieve substances when one cannot get them via a medical professional. The over-prescription (which I originally misread, and for that, I apologize) lies within parents being unaware of ADHD and simply listening to their doctor. Of course, as a consequence, we're going to see an increase of children getting adderall or ritalin prescribed. I highly doubt my mother really knew what the kaiser psychiatrist was talking about towards "ADHD," like a majority of other parents. However, this still doesn't equate to people turning to and abusing adderall. You're running under the assumption that people are overly curious and will step out of bounds from what their doctor tells them. And you're also going to argue that doctors INSIST the patient further their dosage or even take DOUBLE the amount? What sort of allegation is that. Are you even aware of the potential consequences of the DSM regarding misdiagnosis? I highly doubt a doctor is going to put his license on the line in order for their patients to enjoy themselves. That cocaine reference is also laughable. This is some serious "nanny state-esque" sort of statement. If I give a person over 160mgs of caffeine a day, how much longer will the person attempt to do 320 mgs? Or even boost themselves to caffeine pills. If a person naturally suffers from addictive properties, he or she is going to abuse. That doesn't relate to the rest of the U.S. population. Not to mention, when it comes to adults suffering ADHD symptoms, doctors are even more cautious towards giving out the drug. Usually, they will start with an SSRI before considering a psycho-stimulant. Especially since adult ADHD is expected to be seen my medical records which showed you had those similarities as a child. ADHD isn't something that just appears out of nowhere. Even during TBIs, doctor's won't be quick to medicate the patient with psycho-stimulants. I'm not using the forums as evidence of some scientific phenomenon. I'm using it as evidence of rampant abuse of Adderall by prescribed users. "The over-prescription (which I originally misread, and for that, I apologize) lies within parents being unaware of ADHD and simply listening to their doctor" I don't believe so. It's all about the $$$ i.e. sales of the product. More doctors prescribe adderall, more adderall is sold. It also helps that's it's a really popular drug. Caffeine is not in the same category as Cocaine or Adderall. It's much easier to become addicted to adderall. I agree people with addictive personalities are more likely to become addicted, but that doesn't mean normal people will not become addicted as well. That's the nature of hardcore drugs like Meth, Heroine, Cocaine, and Adderall. They're addictive to everyone. Anyway, are you one of the people who supposedly doesn't feel the affects from Adderall because you have ADHD? If so, please take 30 mg, then 60 mg the next day and report back. Been wondering about this for years. Caffeine is almost exactly the the same. The difference lies in potency, which of course it's way less than a direct psycho-active stimulant. That's why it isn't a scheduled drug. addiction is addiction regardless of how you wish to look at it. A man or woman could snort heroine habitually without actually being addicted in fact. Your viewpoint towards medical professionals is something I can't contest. If you believe it's for money, I can't say my trust towards them is superior to your distrust. However, that still won't answer the question which is being proposed: are psycho-active stimulants considered mental enhancements. In some cases they are, but not what's currently being considered. If you take adderall, you aren't going to suddenly fly to GM from bronze. Many reports with share this. Even if I was stupid enough to double or triple my dosage, winning an argument wouldn't be the reason. Idk what you're even attempting to prove with that.
My view of doctors comes from my parents (ER doc and Psychiatrist) and ye, and it is quite negative. Corruption in the administration of hospitals, doctors killing patients and getting away with it because they are friends of higher ups etc. But, I think the biggest impression left on me by them is that medicine is not a perfect science. Doctors try things. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. In the case of Adderall prescriptions, who is to say the dose? You may be happy with your 15mg. Another guy might think he NEEDS 60. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Who is to say? At the end of the day though, he'll get it if that's what he wants if he keeps asking for it. So essentially, he might as well be prescribing himself. There is no exact science to it.
SC2 just like any "real sport" is a game of inches. Single actions can cause small leads which slowly snowball out of control. Adderall certainly won't bring you from bronze to GM. Most people will take years to make that journey. But it can, from my experience of taking it a few times, give you those few extra actions and a higher level of concentration. More importantly, it gives you superhuman endurance. Maybe you normally play 20 games in a session. Now you will play 60 and be ready for more... That can be a big help in an all day tournament. You can be awake for 12-24, pop an adderall, and within an hour, you feel like you just woke up and had your morning coffee.
Now, taking hardcore drugs in public could lead to problems if it's your first time or you don't like socializing. So it really depends on the player. But yes, I can see it being beneficial. As you point out, not on the same level as steroids in sports, but I would say significant enough.
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i tried discussing the possibility that i might benefit from adderall (or at least looking into adhd) with a GP once, she said she's never heard of an adult being diagnosed with adhd before and to FO t.t this is UK
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On April 15 2015 14:58 FFGenerations wrote:
i tried discussing the possibility that i might benefit from adderall (or at least looking into adhd) with a GP once, she said she's never heard of an adult being diagnosed with adhd before and to FO t.t this is UK
what the...either this one was a terible, terrible GP or you made the impression of a druggy 
I know of 2 guys who got diagnosed with adhd in their early twenties (both went to the doctors because they were not able to take university exams successfully) and they were told that about a third of the children with adhd suffer from it even as adults.
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This explains why (almost) all the Koreans are so robot like: they are drugged!
All these drugs have terrible long term side effects (cancer & co) . A pro-player sacrifices a lot to play competitive, let's make sure we are not requiring them to sacrifice also their future health.
If performance drugs are tolerated, then they will become a requirement for anyone serious about competing. All the smart guys would (should) pass rather then killing themselves for a short time career and in the end, less and less quality guys will compete.
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The fuck is this necro, also no I don't want 11 - 16 year old kids (the official age limit to when people start to compete and get picked up by professional teams) hooked on prescription drugs that will probably fuck up their brain chemistry for their entire lives going through puberty.
What the fuck is wrong with you people.
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There is a big difference between saying you probably shouldn't do something and banning it. I don't think people should eat sugar but I don't want it banned.
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Seems that drug testing will happen at least for counterstrike. Worth bringing this discussion up again.
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