EPTfurthermore, if you NEED amphetamines they are not going to have the "speedy" effect that abusers receive.
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tjg92
United States100 Posts
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ploy
United States416 Posts
Using your logic, I could say that steroids should not be banned in baseball because no clinical studies have proven that steroids help you hit a base ball more often and/or farther. However, since steroids ARE proven to improve physical aspects such as strength (among others), then I can logically assume that it helps people hit a baseball further. That is, unless I want to be fucking dense and say things like "but there is no direct proof that steroids improve a person's ability to play baseball" | ||
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xrebelx
Canada24 Posts
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
South Korea: Amphetamine-based medications are banned in South Korea. They cannot be obtained at a South Korean pharmacy and are illegal to import.[citation needed] so I guess at least in South Korea this should not be a problem, right? | ||
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Cifer
United Kingdom69 Posts
This is very true, Universities don't generally have specific rules on these types of things, I checked and my university at least does just carpet ban drug abuse as a general category for enrolled students with no mention of what the effects of the drug are. (Well it specifies not legally acquired/possessed drugs) Exactly these drugs are LEGAL, and can be bought from the internet without prescription from licensed retailers. And it think you have to specify if you want to ban something that is legal in your school. Banning drug abuse won't cut it, as they mean recreational use. | ||
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adwodon
United Kingdom592 Posts
On April 21 2011 15:03 ploy wrote: To those of you saying something along the lines of: where is the proof that it helps gaming performance? I have one thing to say to you: You are incredibly dense, and I hate you. There is proof that it helps cognitive functions drastically. Using your logic, I could say that steroids should not be banned in baseball because no clinical studies have proven that steroids help you hit a base ball more often and/or farther. However, since steroids ARE proven to improve physical aspects such as strength (among others), then I can logically assume that it helps people hit a baseball further. That is, unless I want to be fucking dense and say things like "but there is no direct proof that steroids improve a person's ability to play baseball" The reason steroids assist physical sports like baseball is that they allow an athlete to train longer, taking steroids alone doesnt make you better it just means you can train harder which is what people consider an unfair advantage as other athletes would fatigue during training and not be able to improve as fast or as much. Steroids dont make you hit a ball harder they just allow you to train harder which in turn makes you hit a ball harder. As far as cognitive enhancers go, yes there are benefits to performance at some tasks and I cant speak for Adderall however I can speak for Ritalin as a non prescribed occasional user (physics student - yay!) and I can tell you that Ritalin does improve performance on games like Gears of War and Call of Duty but it absolutely does not improve my Sc2 performance. The reasons are that you concentrate heavily on Ritalin and for me and Sc2 that means im solid focused on whats infront me on the screen, which means my map awareness goes completely out the window, my macro slips and the benefits are relatively small, just slightly better unit control tactical awareness of whats on the screen. I lose drops, I dont maynard, I forget to build production all mistakes that mean that for me Ritalin now has a double bonus in that I concentrate on work and know I cant play Sc2. Against I cant speak for Adderall, the effects may be different however I wanted to point out that your claims of people being dense for asking for proof are pretty idiotic themselves and taking 'logical' steps like yours are actually unscientific and ultimately flawed. Although I will ask anyone else out there if Adderall has a similar affect on their multitasking or are the effects beneficial to them? I wonder if pros would overcome the drawbacks I face due to these things being so ingrained in their play that they are just like breathing, I am only a high diamond player however I work a lot on my macro and multitasking and there is a huge difference when I am on Ritalin | ||
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Nadir
Australia114 Posts
On April 06 2011 14:48 Nadir wrote: What are the cognitive effects of stimulant medications? Emphasis on adults with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) by Claire Advokat. From the Journal of Neuroscience and Biobehavioral Reviews. doi: doi:10.1016/j.neubiorev.2010.03.006 Abstract: The relevant literature concerning cognitive effects of amphetamine and methylphenidate, was reviewed, with an emphasis on research conducted in adults diagnosed with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. As first-line treatment for ADHD, stimulant drugs are well-known to improve attention and concentration. Yet, there is increasing evidence that (as with children and adolescents), they do not promote learning and academic achievement in adult college students with ADHD. A review of neuropsychological studies indicates that, although response latencies are reduced, performance of ADHD adults on tests of ‘distractibility’ and ‘planning’ is also not consistently improved by stimulants. Studies in non-ADHD adults suggest that stimulants do not promote acquisition of new information, might improve retention of previously acquired information, and facilitate memory consolidation, but may actually impair performance of tasks that require adaptation, flexibility and planning. It is still not clear if improvement only occurs when there is a baseline deficit. Stimulants may influence cognition by their effects on physiological arousal. Regardless, the evidence does not support the conclusion that stimulants are cognitive enhancers. You cannot call them performance enhancing drugs until you demonstrate that they actually enhance performance. The current evidence suggests that these drugs will have a negative impact on performance in a game like Starcraft 2. First Person Shooters on the other hand may well benefit from their use. Since people seem to be missing/ignoring/denying the fact that studies do exist on the subject. | ||
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supdubdup
United States916 Posts
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On April 21 2011 18:02 Cifer wrote: Exactly these drugs are LEGAL, and can be bought from the internet without prescription from licensed retailers. And it think you have to specify if you want to ban something that is legal in your school. Banning drug abuse won't cut it, as they mean recreational use. You do know that, at least in the United States, such websites are illegal, right? I mean, they exist, and people probably do get away with buying prescriptions from them, but it isn't legal. You can be arrested for it, whether are not you are arrested for it. | ||
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Gi
United States30 Posts
It does increase performance in starcraft 2, particularly from a mental endurance standpoint. It would give someone a definitive edge working their way through a grueling open bracket at an MLG. You can maintain a high level of mental activity for an extended period of time without getting worn out. At college some unscrupulous people with a prescription sell these things for a dollar a milligram, and a typical pill might be 20 mg and a typical prescripion for a month might be 2 doses per day. Thats 1200 dollars. And these aren't "frat bros" trying to cram for western civ. These are grad students, pharmacy students, honors engineers... nobody knows I have the stuff and that is the way I want to keep it, especially in a dorm. In the united states it is only legal with a prescription. Some of the ADHD drugs are in schedule 1 under US drug policy. Adderall (mixed amphetamine salts) are schedule II, which puts the penalties for illegally buying and selling it in the same ballpark as cocaine or opium. If you're trying to play better sc2, I suggest you go find a practice partner or two instead. Having said that, drug testing at professional gaming events is extremely unreasonable. Officials for a computer game have no business making a bunch of sc2/halo players pee in a cup and then requiring some sort of documentation for people who actually have ADHD. Its invasive and not practical either. | ||
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jordancurk
United States52 Posts
edit - wow this thread is over a year old. i may have made a mistake here. sorry T_T | ||
Shiori
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On April 21 2011 14:47 tjg92 wrote: Not necessarily. People who need amphetamines don't want the speedy effect because they feel jittery to begin with. EDIT: Whoa gravedig. | ||
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jordancurk
United States52 Posts
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
On April 06 2011 10:14 Tercotta wrote: How about the way it is enforced in every other sport. costs money to drug test who pays that bill? the leagues? such as MLG? or the teams? How do you enforce it for online stuff? Like IPLTL or EGMCSL. See its not really enforceable unless you have a esports governing body. | ||
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malaan
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jordancurk
United States52 Posts
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S:klogW
Austria657 Posts
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jordancurk
United States52 Posts
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FlyingToilet
United States840 Posts
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Artifex Magnus
United States75 Posts
Is it a performance enhancing drug if your physician deems it necessary to prescribe you the medication to fix an overall problem in your life? Could/should a league ban someone from playing when they are taking prescribed medication? | ||
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