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LuciferSC
Canada535 Posts
On April 19 2011 08:28 Softboing wrote: With that in mind, a policy that forbids non-prescribed drug use will be about as useful as a wet noodle in a sword fight. Only if you know what I can do with a wet noodle in a sword fight.... | ||
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Deleted User 108965
1096 Posts
On April 19 2011 08:13 Mainland wrote: If it is banned, then no one should be allowed to use it during competition, prescription or not. Still, there's no point to banning it unless you can test for it. From a game theoretic point of view, as long as it's not being tested for, the best strategy would be to use it. well what happens then when the person that has it legally prescribed to them isnt allowed to take it that day? that would be more of a detriment to them than the advantage given to a person taking the pill at leisure (unprescribed) because of withdrawal and psychological influence. it isnt fair to ban it from people that need the pill as a prescription. i realize it can never be perfect, but i think the best thing to do is leave it up to doctors since they know more about needs for the drug and can determine that better than a regular person, which is why i think that prescriptions should be exempt from any rules that are implemented. | ||
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LF9
United States537 Posts
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Scriptix
United States145 Posts
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Cifer
United Kingdom69 Posts
1) Advantages not totally visible or cannot be measured. 2) There is a disparity of innate intellect and ability to concentrate in each person. So a person A taking the drug might still have less ability to concentrate through no fault of his own. Can you say that that is unfairness? Is you're innate ability to perform is what is being measured rather than your preparation and hard work? 3) Enforcement can be really be annoying... and put off people from exams and university as a whole. The image of going to this strict institution, which you pay a fortune, only to end up having to piss in a cup every time you wanna take an exam. The same things can be said about starcraft. | ||
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Softboing
United States68 Posts
On April 19 2011 08:35 LuciferSC wrote: Only if you know what I can do with a wet noodle in a sword fight.... You're from Canada and you're probably not Italian, so I'm guessing you give it to the local Pastafarian? :p | ||
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
On April 19 2011 05:17 Vaelestrasz wrote: EXACTLY..well said.. not to mention caffeine and nicotine..they'd have to start banning literally all sorts of things to adhere to this type of logic.. Neither of them produce the same effects as speed. Amphetamine is the gold standard of stimulants. It's what every stimulant is compared to. Personally caffeine makes me feel like a piece of dog shit. Adderall on the other hand makes me feel like a king. On April 19 2011 06:55 Vaelestrasz wrote: Unfortunately ADHD cannot be diagnosed by concrete evidence like a blood test..its diagnosed based on symptoms that pretty much anyone can claim they experience..there's no real way to prove that any of the people who have Adderall scripts don't actually need Adderall... ADHD is properly diagnosed when the patient is a child. Everyone experiences symptoms of ADHD, it's only ADHD when the symptoms impair functioning. And lastly, the FACT of the matter is, that there is no actual proof that Adderall enhances gaming performance. its only speculation.. If you knew what speed did the brain you'd probably disagree, but you have no idea, so you say things like this. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On April 19 2011 12:58 chonkyfire wrote: If you knew what speed did the brain you'd probably disagree, but you have no idea, so you say things like this. No where has there been proof of a causation between Adderall and better performance. | ||
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-miDnight-
Taiwan455 Posts
However at this stage of the game doing drug test is a little overkill. | ||
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
On April 19 2011 13:09 Zeke50100 wrote: No where has there been proof of a causation between Adderall and better performance. because there is no study done that directly involves gaming doesn't mean it doesn't improve cognitive functioning/mood. That's proven. If you want to put your head in the sand that's fine, it doesn't really bother me Jimi hendrix took amphetamine before he played live, I'm sure he just took it because he had ADHD though lol | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On April 19 2011 09:06 Cifer wrote: Can you say that that is unfairness? The point isnt "fairness"; that is something which does not exist in sports (or superstars who are clearly better than the players on the other team should never be alliowed to enter the playing field against the team which is last on the league. The point is possible drug addiction and competing with your own natural talents (and training). If you take drugs you are not being a "Sportsman" and are cheating yourself of the true exhilarating feeling you have when you win ... because how much of it was due to the doping? Dont do drugs, you only cheat yourself. You cant control it without proper medical monitoring anyways and thus an addiction can be formed rather easily. "Fairness" is a concept which is focuised on too much in WoW PvP (and which has ruined the PvE playing style) and also in D&D4e (by ruining that game as well), i.e. many modern games where players like to have "epeen comparisons". Thats not how life works, get used to it and if you are not as good as someone else at Starcraft you should get off your lazy ass and start training hard. The progamers did, so why should you take the shortcut? | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On April 19 2011 09:06 Cifer wrote: Well, the same argument can be said about university exams where possibly much more is at stake. Yet even with resources to examine students for such stimulants. They wouldn't do it. In fact, most universities have not even issued a statement banning them even without enforcement. And I believe this is for a few reasons some of which im sure have beem mentioned before. 1) Advantages not totally visible or cannot be measured. 2) There is a disparity of innate intellect and ability to concentrate in each person. So a person A taking the drug might still have less ability to concentrate through no fault of his own. Can you say that that is unfairness? Is you're innate ability to perform is what is being measured rather than your preparation and hard work? 3) Enforcement can be really be annoying... and put off people from exams and university as a whole. The image of going to this strict institution, which you pay a fortune, only to end up having to piss in a cup every time you wanna take an exam. The same things can be said about starcraft. Most universities don't issue a statement banning them because drug abuse, which this is, is already against virtually all school policies. | ||
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tGFuRy
United States537 Posts
On April 19 2011 08:51 LF9 wrote: I played WCG on Adderrall once, no one really seemed to notice. Piss testing would have to be implemented, and that would be really expensive. And plus, as others have pointed out, what if you have a prescription? Did it enhance you're performance? Have ADHD? Had a prescription? If you answer yes to the first question no the the rest. There is you're answer why it shouldn't be allowed. Clearly stupid regardless. | ||
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dogmeatstew
Canada574 Posts
On April 19 2011 13:28 TheTenthDoc wrote: Most universities don't issue a statement banning them because drug abuse, which this is, is already against virtually all school policies. This is very true, Universities don't generally have specific rules on these types of things, I checked and my university at least does just carpet ban drug abuse as a general category for enrolled students with no mention of what the effects of the drug are. (Well it specifies not legally acquired/possessed drugs) | ||
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thebigdonkey
United States354 Posts
On April 19 2011 13:09 Zeke50100 wrote: No where has there been proof of a causation between Adderall and better performance. To be honest, it shouldn't matter that there is no proof of causation (who would even fund such a study?). If a person takes a controlled substance like Adderall with the intent to gain an edge over other players, it's cheating and should be viewed as such. I suppose this is more of an ethical point of view than a practical one as I don't know how tournaments could afford to test for drugs. | ||
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dar0za
Canada74 Posts
On April 21 2011 03:01 thebigdonkey wrote: To be honest, it shouldn't matter that there is no proof of causation (who would even fund such a study?). If a person takes a controlled substance like Adderall with the intent to gain an edge over other players, it's cheating and should be viewed as such. I suppose this is more of an ethical point of view than a practical one as I don't know how tournaments could afford to test for drugs. this. seriously, no one is going to run a fucking clinical trial to show how much amphetamines improve video games. ethics are a factor. but from the scientific facts that do exist on them, it can be assumed they ought to improve gaming, and there's enough anecdotal evidence around that goes in line with that in this thread alone. | ||
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tjg92
United States100 Posts
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Logarythm
United States264 Posts
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On April 06 2011 10:22 Mr. Nefarious wrote: If it's prescribed to me, I'm taking it. The day MLG, GSL etc. are allowed to ban prescriptions is the day these organizations get sued for discrimination against the disabled. It's too bad your outlook on medication is limited to abuse, however I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of these players are not "doping" but rather following their doctors instructions. The idea that no player could possibly need Adderral outside the game is as foolish as it is shortsighted. Those that are prescribed Adderral are done so with the assumption and idea that it will put them on the same level of concentration as those that are lucky enough to be born with perfect genes. I really think the spirit of the outrage is against people who abuse medication. Anyone who regularly takes Adderall is obviously not abusing it if it is regular and in proper doses-- furthermore, if you NEED amphetamines they are not going to have the "speedy" effect that abusers receive. Before we start throwing out fake lawsuits and charges of discrimination, let's use our heads and think about what the OP probably means. Also, calling ADHD a disability is kind of offensive to those who have real disabilities, unless it is noticeably severe. We do have to remember that ADHD is notoriously over-diagnosed, at least in America. | ||
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ULTRAmarine
Sweden47 Posts
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