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Ten Tron
Profile Joined December 2010
United States48 Posts
April 02 2011 01:10 GMT
#561
i'm holding all judgement and cash until season 1 is over. if its a quality product then i might purchase a ticket for season 2.

Either way, I'll be watching.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TenTr0n?feature=mhum
deerpark87
Profile Joined January 2011
760 Posts
April 02 2011 01:10 GMT
#562
Look what's happening to MLG even if you buy the HQ. MLG promise good quality streams but everyone is just getting is lag+ crapload of commercial. This is why you wait and see.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
April 02 2011 01:10 GMT
#563
On April 02 2011 08:59 infinity2k9 wrote:
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On April 02 2011 08:42 Defacer wrote:
On April 02 2011 07:53 infinity2k9 wrote:
On April 02 2011 07:13 Cha1R wrote:
Fantastic deal. What the fuck are people bitching about? Do they want NASL to fail? It seems like all the community has done is shit on the whole concept to begin with.
25$ 3 months. Totally awesome, im used to 15 a month for GSL. So this is totally fantastic.


I'm used to not paying to watch Starcraft at all.

Edit for explanation;
I gotta lol at the people saying WOW $25 IS NOT MUCH AT ALL FOR SO MUCH STARCRAFT!! when it's only really even happened that some are paying to watch tournaments at all. Hell you can go to the MSL or OSL finals for free and watch live. $25 isn't shit to me but this change doesn't sit right with me personally.

I'd like to see Starcraft run as a non-profit sport especially since it's such a niche. When i pay to watch Football/Soccer the money goes back into teams and therefore players if it's on television or at the actual game. Some teams make a profit ontop of that but that's fine, cause least it's going to the team. Although some money will go to the people who run the Premier League, it's a tiny amount of the total and used to pay people who organize it all. In the NASL all the money appears to go to the organizers (since i'm gonna assume prize money is from sponsors, not gonna rely on spectators to pay it). While some people might quote other sports which run like this, i'd prefer it the other way. I know people go on about supporting eSports a lot, but i support teams and players; I'm not paying to turn a profit for the organizers. The scene is too small for that, it's already very hard for teams and players to support themselves so that's where i want my money, if any money at all, going.

But hey everyone's entitled to their opinion on this, and i can see why some people would see it as totally fair. But the fact there's already multiple tournaments popping up with subscriptions is sort of alarming to me at least.



There prize pool is massive. I'm not sure its fair to say all the money goes to the organizers, when you consider the capital cost of launching something like this.

And how exactly does a non-profit sport league work, or even remain competitive? Without profit, there would be no rewards for the organizers or players. It's just a hobby or avocation, like darts or skeet shooting or some other non-sport.

I hear what your saying but you're expectations are unrealistic. Either a tournament is going to have to become heavily subsidized by sponsors or have subcription-based content. The problem with Starcraft is that it's an online game -- there's no stadiums, or tradtional ticket sales, or concession stands, or corporate boxes. These are the ways sports franchises make money, ad revenue is only a small peice of the pie.



How does anything you say relate to Brood War then, It's essentially non-profit and obviously the best comparison. Or the example in my post, the Premier League (the league with the most revenue in the world i think?). That's not exactly non-profit as far as i'm aware but the huge majority of money goes to the teams.

I don't think you even understand what i'm saying. Money should obviously go to run the league, like in my examples. But in this case my subscription is essentially going ALL to the league and not to the teams/players. Money should go to operation and towards the people spending their time running the league. But that money should be proportional to how big/successful the league is, should it not? That's why a league coming out of nowhere with a huge prize pool has not been the best way to go in the past for eSports.

I'm not going to argue this any further, it's only my personal reasoning you can think what you like. But imagine NASL stops in a few seasons. Where did all the money go to? The subscriptions went to the organizers and the sponsors likely paid the few players who won the top prizes. There's not even any trickle down money to anyone else to create stability.

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On April 02 2011 08:50 OhDeezy wrote:
On April 02 2011 08:32 infinity2k9 wrote:
On April 02 2011 08:29 integral wrote:
Definitely buying a pass. Think about it, guys, you're supporting the careers of players that couldn't do this otherwise.


Only the prizes go to the players though that's it? Like i explained in my posts it doesn't seem to be supporting the careers of players at all unless the subscriptions are going to be evenly given out among the players, which would be extremely unfair considering it was an invitational.


If it makes money for the organizers then they have more interest in putting more money into setting up bigger leagues. This will attract more money from sponsors, leading to more prize money.

Just because subscription money doesn't go directly into players pockets, that doesn't mean that they won't benefit from it.


When did this theory actually work i ask you?

And integral i can't believe you bought up the 'Support eSports' thing as reasoning when i've been explaining exactly why i don't think it will support the people i actually want to be supported. You can say 'no the money will actually help others' but it doesn't make it a fact as we just don't know and i'm inclined to think it's not.


I don't want to be rude, but I have a simple question: How many people do you think actually made a living off of Broodwar?

staplestf2
Profile Joined January 2011
United States147 Posts
April 02 2011 01:13 GMT
#564
i won't be paying for nasl but its because i can't. i would pay for NASL if i had a job i mean 3 months for 25 bucks isn't bad at all.
"I live in Australia so it's a completely different set of rules. you need to be good at boomerang dodging and kangaroo boxing."
AJMcSpiffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1154 Posts
April 02 2011 01:18 GMT
#565
On April 02 2011 10:07 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 09:58 proxY_ wrote:
GSL is 15 (10 if you've purchased previous seasons) and that's their main competition here (plus they're more established and have better casters), I don't understand why they're pricing it higher than that. I've bought every gsl to this point and I was planning on buying this but $20 - $25 is too much, especially when they're casting from replays.



didnt incontrol also make some statement on sotg that they would undercut the gsl, he atleast implied it.

They are doing just that. GSL charges you (fairly, imo) 10-15 dollars each month. For the NASL you are purchasing a 3 month ticket for 20-25 dollars. That's a decent amount less if you look at it on a month-to-month basis.
If the quarter was in your right hand, that would've been micro
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 01:22:41
April 02 2011 01:21 GMT
#566
Sadly, "foreign" tournaments have very bad track records:

MLG - Has problems starting on time, this time they were only 1 hour and 30 min too late, last time 2-3 hours so i guess they have improved. Their stream also crashes pretty much all the time (right of this writing for example).

IEM - Similar problems to MLG, not as severe, but still there. Confusing layout and very difficult to follow.

Dreamhack - Same as above, delays delays delays

Assembly - Had 2 casters, where one of them did not even want to be there and was yelling "I want them to end this so i can go home"

TSL - The only tournament that hasent had any problems, good qualty and did not crash for me at all. No i am not sucking up to TL at all, their **** actually worked and was on time.


For all the excuses, GSL is also live and yet barely if ever has any delays, when things do go wrong you barely wait more than 5 minutes for it to be fixed and you also get a apology from the casters and updates. MLG? It is not even mentioned, last year it was not mentioned that they were late 2-3 hours, neither is it this time.

To sum it up: Not buying NASL, until they prove that they can run a consistent, well produced show without any major hickups and delays. Blame it on MLG, IEM and others for making eSports look bad and unorganized. The "its live dude, problems happen" dosent work, GSL is proof of that and for that i will continue supporting GSL

"Support e-sports!" No!

Only support things that deserve it, dont throw your money on things just to support some cause that might let you down. Money has a value, anyone who paid now for MLG must feel really bad, i dont want to be in their shoes.
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weaknurse
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia320 Posts
April 02 2011 01:21 GMT
#567
I don't think anyone will be rushing out to buy any online pass for a while after today's issues sadly.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
April 02 2011 01:24 GMT
#568
I don't see how this is a better value than the GSL, to be honest. The GSL makes you pay $10 for 2 32-man tournaments, NASL is asking $25 for 1 50-man tournament. Just because it's spread out over 3 months doesn't mean it is more content. I mean, it may be slightly more depending on how the tournament is set up, but it's still not a better value than the GSL.

There's also the quality of content. There are plenty of world-class players in this event, but also plenty of not-so-great players, which reduces the number of games that are actually going to be worth watching. The commentary also will not be as good as the GSL; I love Incontrol, but Gretorp really should stick to playing, he has no enthusiasm or charisma. On top of all this, they're going to put commercial interruptions into the paid VODs?

I was excited for this in spite of all of the flaws, because of the progress it represents, but I feel that this pricing is a huge slap in the face. There should be no comparison between this and the GSL.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Crackensan
Profile Joined August 2010
United States479 Posts
April 02 2011 01:25 GMT
#569
MLG is pretty much going to kill e-sports in the West. Single handly too.

Unless SirScoots and InControl are watching, and making sure this shit doesn't happen, 'cause I feel bad for everyone who bought the HD stream from MLG.

Tasteless: "Well this strategy is made of balls"--Concerning Fruitdealer Vs. BoXeR
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
April 02 2011 01:27 GMT
#570
Fuck it, count me in. What's $20 in pounds, £13-15? Exchange rates ftw.
javy_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1677 Posts
April 02 2011 01:27 GMT
#571
On April 02 2011 10:10 Ten Tron wrote:
i'm holding all judgement and cash until season 1 is over. if its a quality product then i might purchase a ticket for season 2.

Either way, I'll be watching.


This is how I feel as well. I'm a bit apprehensive about purchasing the ticket before I see what sort of quality the production will be.
♪~( ̄。 ̄)
CellTech
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada396 Posts
April 02 2011 01:27 GMT
#572
No thanks I'll pass

GSL has me quite occupied with whatever free time I have.
^ Probably a Troll Post
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 01:31:36
April 02 2011 01:29 GMT
#573
On April 02 2011 10:10 Defacer wrote:

I don't want to be rude, but I have a simple question: How many people do you think actually made a living off of Broodwar?



Uh are you serious? Do you know anything about BW? How about the employees of KeSPA, OGN, MBC and the SKT1, KT, Oz, Stars, ACE, FOX, Samsung, CJ, MBC team coaches, players, even housekeepers and other staff members. Is that somehow not enough for a comparatively tiny sport or what. How many people does giving $25 to NASL make a career for?

I shouldn't be surprised of course. Just another person who signed up in 2010 and doesn't know shit about Starcraft before this time.
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
April 02 2011 01:33 GMT
#574
What NASL really should do is have some prelim testing matches that are streamed for free in high def (or whatever normally is given for premium users who have paid) so that nothing like this MLG disaster will happen.

jermo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada46 Posts
April 02 2011 01:33 GMT
#575
No. I'm not really a fan of either of the casters (yet) and it feels like they're spreading the tournament out over way too long of a time period. Sure it's 3 months, but it's only 3 hours a week (or so I read somewhere). Imo a solid week of games for a few weeks > a little bit of games for a few months.
Also the commercial interruption... yeah.
surface.a
Profile Joined March 2011
United States16 Posts
April 02 2011 01:35 GMT
#576
great idea lac29, a test run!!

a sad day for e-sports
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
April 02 2011 01:46 GMT
#577
Why would you buy an NASL pass when no one has actually seen what the production quality will be like?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2011 01:48 GMT
#578
They should at least post some sample vods of their work to show what we can expect. So far its basically the Jinro-Idra showmatch and the production value was not up to par back then. Yes, they've made huge leaps since then, but it'd still be nice to know what we're buying here. I think there will be a much greater turn out for season 2.
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
April 02 2011 01:49 GMT
#579
LOL at people complaining about paying $20 for three months of content. Oh the cruelty of capitalism!!!

I'll pay $20 to watch all the VODs because I sure as hell won't have time to watch everything live. You got a customer here, don't let us down.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Justanx
Profile Joined November 2010
United States240 Posts
April 02 2011 01:51 GMT
#580
Yeah I don't mind paying the money, but I do agree a free opening set so we can see the quality. This might attract a few customers. The quality of the free Gomtv for the world GSL event has been a big selling point for my brother who was a leech and just watched my VODS. Seeing as he is deployed overseas was one factor, but he is on the other side of the coin of not paying for some fo these events not mainly because of the quality but the inaccessabilty of the streams. MLG is killing us both because this is a time for us to watch some of these streams together and its not up, and without the VODs.....its a big MEH point. NASL will be a big event hopefully and will get my money, but for someone like my brother he needs is it worth his time to invest (he either stays up or goes to bed)
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