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lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
April 02 2011 01:52 GMT
#581
Honestly I think even making premium content free for the first round/week of NASL would be a good way to both garner fans/customers ... and get a real sense of if your stream will fail or not.
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
April 02 2011 01:53 GMT
#582
On April 02 2011 10:24 Cel.erity wrote:
I don't see how this is a better value than the GSL, to be honest. The GSL makes you pay $10 for 2 32-man tournaments, NASL is asking $25 for 1 50-man tournament. Just because it's spread out over 3 months doesn't mean it is more content. I mean, it may be slightly more depending on how the tournament is set up, but it's still not a better value than the GSL.

There's also the quality of content. There are plenty of world-class players in this event, but also plenty of not-so-great players, which reduces the number of games that are actually going to be worth watching. The commentary also will not be as good as the GSL; I love Incontrol, but Gretorp really should stick to playing, he has no enthusiasm or charisma. On top of all this, they're going to put commercial interruptions into the paid VODs?

I was excited for this in spite of all of the flaws, because of the progress it represents, but I feel that this pricing is a huge slap in the face. There should be no comparison between this and the GSL.

You do realize you bay $25 for:

1) 50 man group play (So each player will play at least 18 games...)
2) 1028 man tournament (We get to see any of the amazing games)
3) 16 man double elimination tournament

Then we get the VoDs for these games...

seems worth it to me.
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LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
April 02 2011 01:56 GMT
#583
On April 02 2011 04:49 coddan wrote:
For the whole package 25$ is a perfectly reasonable price to pay. I think the problem is going to be it's a pretty big clump of money to pay at once. It really feels like an investment to pay 25 dollars, especially when you compare to GSL which is just 10 dollars.

Maybe they would benefit from selling some type of montly or even weekly pass. Maybe someone wants to follow a specific group, and they could sell that week for 5 dollars or something?


Yea a monthly pass would be nice. Hard to pay the $25 upfront without knowing the quality of the production or the games.
The spice must flow
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
April 02 2011 02:06 GMT
#584
On April 02 2011 10:10 Ten Tron wrote:
i'm holding all judgement and cash until season 1 is over. if its a quality product then i might purchase a ticket for season 2.

Either way, I'll be watching.


Good call.
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CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
April 02 2011 02:10 GMT
#585
I'd pay in a heartbeat, but I'm in between jobs atm.. hehe.

XD
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Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
April 02 2011 02:43 GMT
#586
I'll be paying just so I can get the VODS, seriously doubt the times will be reasonable for me
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
April 02 2011 02:56 GMT
#587
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!

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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
April 02 2011 03:00 GMT
#588
On April 02 2011 10:29 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 10:10 Defacer wrote:

I don't want to be rude, but I have a simple question: How many people do you think actually made a living off of Broodwar?



Uh are you serious? Do you know anything about BW? How about the employees of KeSPA, OGN, MBC and the SKT1, KT, Oz, Stars, ACE, FOX, Samsung, CJ, MBC team coaches, players, even housekeepers and other staff members. Is that somehow not enough for a comparatively tiny sport or what. How many people does giving $25 to NASL make a career for?

I shouldn't be surprised of course. Just another person who signed up in 2010 and doesn't know shit about Starcraft before this time.


On April 02 2011 10:29 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 10:10 Defacer wrote:

I don't want to be rude, but I have a simple question: How many people do you think actually made a living off of Broodwar?



Uh are you serious? Do you know anything about BW? How about the employees of KeSPA, OGN, MBC and the SKT1, KT, Oz, Stars, ACE, FOX, Samsung, CJ, MBC team coaches, players, even housekeepers and other staff members. Is that somehow not enough for a comparatively tiny sport or what. How many people does giving $25 to NASL make a career for?

I shouldn't be surprised of course. Just another person who signed up in 2010 and doesn't know shit about Starcraft before this time.



Looooooolllll!

You're idea of a non-profit, sustainable, ethical enterprise is Kespa?!?! Isn't that the league where teams of wide-eyed nerds play 60 hours a week for slave wages? Where the average 'pro' is lucky to make 24k a year?

Oh yeah, they're really spreading the wealth. How many non-Koreans were able to play Broodwar full-time, do you think? Can you name five?

You're a hypocrite, dude. Your idea of 'non-profit' is actually 'content that I can pirate or get for free'. The NASL may be profit driven, but they're contributing more to the sustainability of esports and it's players than you ever will.

Maybe you should take your self-righteousness back to the library and finish reading that copy of Catcher in the Rye; you obviously missed the point.

kazie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
258 Posts
April 02 2011 03:08 GMT
#589
even if it's for 3 months, doesnt NASL have less games per month than gsl? dont think it's that much better
Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
April 02 2011 03:16 GMT
#590
Paying 25 bucks to watch mainly american players, a great deal of whom are more just semi pro play isn't appealing to me at least.

10 bucks for them GSL vods though, gimme gimme.
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
April 02 2011 03:19 GMT
#591
The decisions will come after the first season. Then we can judge the quality and quantity, and everything between
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Raiznhell
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada786 Posts
April 02 2011 03:29 GMT
#592
I unfortunately wont buy the season pass but it's not because I don't want to. I simply can't due to other circumstances wish I could help support this though.
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 03:52:58
April 02 2011 03:30 GMT
#593
yet another $$? i get that it might be needed. is it the best option for a first season? debatable.


i just know that i wont shell out money for something im not sure i will like.
and imho the trend can be hurtful since if that keeps going we will have 5 pay2view leagues in a year. and no one will pay 100$ a month just to see all leagues,so someone will get the shorter end of the stick.





but i most likely wont pay. call me cheapskate, say "BUT HURR YOU B AGAINST ESPORTS!" or whatever,but i never payed for any sports stuff i watched and i dont plan to change much about that for esports stuff.


and imho its bad denying LQ vods without paying.
i feel it hurts more then it does good. i rather see the pricepool reduced by 100+K or whatever and have available vods for evryone. lets be real here, i wont get friends into sc2 when evry single league that matters requires them to pay before they get anything. and if they cant carry the prizepool/the whole thing without forcing people to pay then maybe sc2 just isnt ready for such a huge thing yet.

will i get up to watch specific matches? maybe. but will i pay for multiple leagues? no. will i get friends into nasl? no freakin chance. will i adjust my schedule to nasl over gsl ( and that will conflict) ? dont know...


in the end i just dont feel its the right way to approach it. esp given the demographics and the way the internet works. for GSL it works somewhat cause they were the only one and providede the highest level of competition. but what if we soon have 3 or 4 leagues pr more that want money to properly watch them ? what about all the "randoms" all the esport promoters always talk about? you think you will ever get joe random into sc2 when "oh X vs Y was great! wanna watch it? pay XX$ !" is the standart phrase?


point is i disagree with the way this whole thing is going. and i think it makes the "yo get your friends into sc2/esports maaan!" they say a huge act of hypocrisy.



but that said, goodluck to them in evry way! go nasl! go gsl! go whatever futre league will spawn. if it works then nice for you.

On April 02 2011 12:36 dAPhREAk wrote:
i went to the movies the other day. two hour movie with me and my girl. $22. not to mention food. $25 for nasl season one? why is this even a question? buy the ticket and stop whining, or dont buy the ticket and also stop whining. $25 is not that much.


this is getting so old. its in no way a appropriate comparison.
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i personally hate it anyways since i HATE watching movies with retards. and watching a movie in the cinema you have a 99% chance to have atleast one annoying tard is in the audience


the whole movie industry is build on cinema and dvd (or if youre oldschool vhs) sales. thats their foundation, thats how it works. thats why companies spend millions of $ on that.

sports on the other hand are mostly build on advertising. thats the way to go. thats why big clubs have multi million $ sponsors that pump money into nothing then a small "company Y" line on the shirts.



ofcourse compared to other things it might be worth it for some people. but that doesnt mean its the right way to build up a whole scene. (esp in the internet)



imagine husky would suddenly charge 25 cents per vod. is the 10-30 minute entertainment worth it compared to other things? maybe.
but you can be sure as fuck that 99% of his subscribers would quit and never pay for it because thats the way it is.
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 02 2011 03:36 GMT
#594
i went to the movies the other day. two hour movie with me and my girl. $22. not to mention food. $25 for nasl season one? why is this even a question? buy the ticket and stop whining, or dont buy the ticket and also stop whining. $25 is not that much.
confusedcrib
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1307 Posts
April 02 2011 03:37 GMT
#595
Gotta support dem e-sports
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
April 02 2011 03:41 GMT
#596
25 is not a lot lol. but quantity does not mean everything. Yeah sure I can watch hundreds of VODS but I'd rather pay 25 to just watch 20 high lvl players than a 100 randoms. my 2 cents
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 02 2011 03:43 GMT
#597
On April 02 2011 12:41 Golgotha wrote:
25 is not a lot lol. but quantity does not mean everything. Yeah sure I can watch hundreds of VODS but I'd rather pay 25 to just watch 20 high lvl players than a 100 randoms. my 2 cents


you consider some of the best foreigners and some of the top koreans to be randoms? have you seen the groups?
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 03:47:42
April 02 2011 03:46 GMT
#598
On April 02 2011 12:00 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 10:29 infinity2k9 wrote:
On April 02 2011 10:10 Defacer wrote:

I don't want to be rude, but I have a simple question: How many people do you think actually made a living off of Broodwar?



Uh are you serious? Do you know anything about BW? How about the employees of KeSPA, OGN, MBC and the SKT1, KT, Oz, Stars, ACE, FOX, Samsung, CJ, MBC team coaches, players, even housekeepers and other staff members. Is that somehow not enough for a comparatively tiny sport or what. How many people does giving $25 to NASL make a career for?

I shouldn't be surprised of course. Just another person who signed up in 2010 and doesn't know shit about Starcraft before this time.


Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 10:29 infinity2k9 wrote:
On April 02 2011 10:10 Defacer wrote:

I don't want to be rude, but I have a simple question: How many people do you think actually made a living off of Broodwar?



Uh are you serious? Do you know anything about BW? How about the employees of KeSPA, OGN, MBC and the SKT1, KT, Oz, Stars, ACE, FOX, Samsung, CJ, MBC team coaches, players, even housekeepers and other staff members. Is that somehow not enough for a comparatively tiny sport or what. How many people does giving $25 to NASL make a career for?

I shouldn't be surprised of course. Just another person who signed up in 2010 and doesn't know shit about Starcraft before this time.



Looooooolllll!

You're idea of a non-profit, sustainable, ethical enterprise is Kespa?!?! Isn't that the league where teams of wide-eyed nerds play 60 hours a week for slave wages? Where the average 'pro' is lucky to make 24k a year?

Oh yeah, they're really spreading the wealth. How many non-Koreans were able to play Broodwar full-time, do you think? Can you name five?

You're a hypocrite, dude. Your idea of 'non-profit' is actually 'content that I can pirate or get for free'. The NASL may be profit driven, but they're contributing more to the sustainability of esports and it's players than you ever will.

Maybe you should take your self-righteousness back to the library and finish reading that copy of Catcher in the Rye; you obviously missed the point.



I don't know what the fuck you are even on about here. I even gave examples other than BW such as the Premier League where all TV rights are shared among the teams, same goes for many sports. But if you do want to bring up BW (even though its been gone over time and time again), Foreigners were not good enough to compete, simple as that. While Koreans will practice stupid times regardless of if they have to or not, that's what it takes to win. People are practicing 60 hours a week for SC2 right now as well (although arguably it's not as beneficial as in BW). If you got a player on your team practicing 20 hours a week, what worth is he? Cause he definitely will NOT produce the results. As evidenced by any player who even had a slight drop in practice, results in the leagues immediately had far inferior results.

It's not KeSPA making people have the will to to succeed. Jaedong, Flash, they are successful cause they have the drive and focus to practice extremely hard and win. KeSPA doesn't decide how much people practice, if there was truly someone who could play half the time of everyone else and still produce results, they would be on a proteam. Otherwise they are simply dead weight and not pulling their part on the team, cause they are not providing help to the other members who DO want to practice that much.

It's a cutthroat scene thats for sure, but if KeSPA didn't exist why would it be any different? And how are they not sustainable, isn't it the longest running eSports organization along with prehaps the WCG which has been changing games the whole time? If you know of any wealth they have that isn't being put into running more leagues please tell me, cause going to matches is free and broadcasting is free and it's totally sponsor driven. There's no hidden profit here and the team sponsors are running the teams at a huge loss just for advisement. So how is that not spreading the wealth.

Your whole argument is whining that basically people should cap the amount of time they all play so foreigners could have a chance which is fucking stupid and ridiculous. Personally i'd be happy to pay for content if it went towards the teams and players, merchandise is one very minor way. If proleague was a paid for venture i would pay, but it's not obviously, and it's working fine so why change it. That format may not be right for the West, but i'm sure as shit not supporting the NASL's format when it's time and time again proven NOT to work and the money isn't going to players/teams other than prizes, leaving everyone else fucked unless they win.

I don't know where you get hypocritical from cause I don't even support KeSPA based leagues financially cause they are free and don't even mind re-broadcasting, i'm just pointing out it's actually working. FIFA is non-profit so if i watch World Cup games i'm a hypocrite as well now or what. You just have some total lopsided view of things for some reason and are totally over-defensive over the NASL. Saying non-profit does not mean that people involved can not use money for operation of the tournament. But there's not evidence to suggest any profit beyond that is going to support teams or players in any way.

This was a long post but you're being either deliberately ignorant to support your pre-existing views or just are actually not even thinking about it.
mgl0x9
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 03:47:46
April 02 2011 03:47 GMT
#599
Why are poeple talking about commercials... on my nasl.tv order page it says...

» Zero commercial interruption

did they change it from minimal commercials?
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TrANCE,
Profile Joined December 2010
301 Posts
April 02 2011 03:49 GMT
#600
If it's anything like mlg sc2 was in the first season with stream problems no
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