Marines always looked weird... now I know why. - Page 5

AndyBear

Canada132 Posts

March 18 2011 21:45 GMT

#81

I remember the explain the marine suit a bit in some starcraft books I've read, the suit is a lot bigger than a person, I think your feet are a foot (hehe) off the ground because of how the suit is built (so much armor and mechanical stuff!). And you control the gloves with mechanical jibberish stuff, your fingers aren't actually in the gloves. Thats how I visioned it anyway. As far as how wide you would have to be to fit into the suit, as your diagram shows clearly, I have no idea.

Char711

United States862 Posts

March 18 2011 21:46 GMT

#82

On March 18 2011 18:47 Kleander wrote:
It's all because of the concept artist for blizzard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samwise_Didier

The reason the marine looks so funky and the hands look so big is because thats just his style.

A similar comparison can be see here in art from the movie Lilo and Stitch. See how exaggerated the lower half of Nani's body is? It was just the specific style of the lead artist that they chose for the movie.

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You can see his style in all three of Blizzard's franchises, as well as on the album art for the band HammerFall.

Thank you for this! Probably the most informative post in the entire thread. I can see why people are still a tad confused with it: the series is made to look so realistic that an applied art style doesn't seem to "fit."

On March 18 2011 21:24 DannyJ wrote:
Marines are designed to look good, not be functional.

Michelangelo's David has odd proportions too just because it looked better from the vantage point you were supposed to see it from.

Interesting! I never knew that!

silencesc

United States464 Posts

March 18 2011 21:49 GMT

#83

On March 19 2011 06:32 Reason.SC2 wrote:

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You figure the xel naga will be like the necrons? (super high-tech robotic units with a twist of mystical powers) - Race characterized by ridiculously strong units but having very few numbers

One can hope, though it is a bit off-topic, but I really hope they don't add xel'naga as a playable race. EVER.

mucker

United States1120 Posts

March 18 2011 21:52 GMT

#84

On March 19 2011 06:28 silencesc wrote:

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You're right, the Protoss aren't the Eldar, the Zerg aren't Tyranids and Terran definitely aren't Adeptus Astartes...it's not litke the blue armor has anything to do with Ultramarines.

:D

Blizzard stole the idea for the races years ago, it's pretty much common knoledge by now

It isn't like space marines fighting bug aliens was an idea unique to games workshop. SC draws on a lot of classic sci-fi influences.

farseerdk

Canada504 Posts

March 18 2011 22:00 GMT

#85

If it weren't for the cut scene where it shows tycus' wrist really close to the glove, it could be that the wrist controls the elbow and the elbow controls the shoulder.

EliteReplay

Dominican Republic913 Posts

March 18 2011 22:12 GMT

#86

i have a question how can i play the cinematic intro when u install the game?

theBOOCH

United States832 Posts

March 18 2011 22:35 GMT

#87

Yeah, artistic license at it's worst. I really hate it when artists (myself being an amateur one) ignore facts of reality (or a contrived reality). I think if ou are doing any kind of representational art (meaning not an abstraction of something), you should strive to be consistent with what you are creating. It may take extra effort, but it's worth it to take the time to create something that "seems real." Thats always the problem I've had with Blizzard games and especially their art staff. The art direction that defines WOW is the stupidest I have seen in a major game and they passed a lot of that on to SC2. Of course the rendering in SC2 is amazing, but they kept a lot of the idiotic physiological elements that make WOW intolerable to me. WOW characters don't physically make sense (and therefore look idiotic to me) so it's no surprise that SC2 characters are the same way. I think they toned it back a lot for SC2, but they really didn't try to make the marine, marauder, firebat, etc. seem real. Even the ghosts and especially the female characters have bizarre proportions. Diablo 3 is going to be the same way. I really miss the stylings of Black Isle games where characters, even fictional fantasy races, had logical and convincing frames. Everything else just looks stupid to me and really takes me out of the story. In game its not really a problem, but in the cut scenes and cinematics, I think they could do a lot better. Definitely one of the elements that contributes to outsiders looking down on fantasy and sci-fi genres as being goofy and not worth taking seriously.

Yoshi Kirishima

United States10357 Posts

March 18 2011 22:39 GMT

#88

Haha yeah, always felt a bit weird about that and felt the design of the marine suits were too big; Marine suits should be suits, not power suits. Power suits for the bigger Firebats/marauders are fine, but not for Marines who are already big themselves.

But anyways, it showed in that SC2 trailer apparently they don't wear it normally; it is indeed a power suit.

Monsieur

Canada71 Posts

March 18 2011 22:45 GMT

#89

well just like any other character they are designed bigger. its the style of the artwork dudes. ive never rly seen a human in a blizzard game that looks like the average humain being.

snow2.0

Germany2073 Posts

March 18 2011 22:50 GMT

#90

have you actually the sc1 and sc2?

Raynor transformed from a slim bald fun guy into a fucking hulk (with hair too!) so they could put him into that damned marine suit. No idea how thats supposed to have happened. I dont even _like_ him anymore, such a 0815 hero guy in sc2.

Honeybadger

United States821 Posts

March 18 2011 23:00 GMT

#91

On March 18 2011 18:37 flodeskum wrote:
Yes and the bodyshape of that specific marine was very similar to that of one iNcontroL, a well known bear.

oh lawdy I lol'd.

I wonder if they make marine suits for skinny fucks?

Honeybadger

United States821 Posts

March 18 2011 23:02 GMT

#92

On March 19 2011 07:45 Monsieur wrote:
well just like any other character they are designed bigger. its the style of the artwork dudes. ive never rly seen a human in a blizzard game that looks like the average humain being.

I don't know about you, but here in seattle, we're all ripped, ten feet tall and have flowing hair, sexy space cowboy voices and a bone to pick with the establishment.

Wait. We're actually just hipsters that ride fixies and drink pabst. FML.

v3chr0

United States856 Posts

March 18 2011 23:03 GMT

#93

The Marines suit is powered combat armor. I had always assumed that the suits were built around each and every Marine, and that it wouldn't matter where their hands would end because they are using hand-grip controls to move the arms, so their arms most likely DO end quite a bit up the suits arm, but it makes sense when you watch the SC2 video and see the huge glove with the hand controls go on Tychus.

morimacil

France921 Posts

March 18 2011 23:17 GMT

#94

The head is too low, but really thats it imo.
The marine armor isnt just some armor, its actually a mechanical suit. its not just armor strapped on some guy's arm, its the guy's arm, plus some mechanical parts (which for obvious practical reasons would be placed on the external side of the body, and not all around the arm), the lot of it covered in armor.

Aerox

Malaysia1213 Posts

March 18 2011 23:29 GMT

#95

I think we all know about the mechanical hands and stuff. The part that doesn't make sense is the shoulders or specifically the armpit areas. Some of the movements they do don't make sense thinking about the human inside.

Blazinghand

United States25552 Posts

March 18 2011 23:38 GMT

#96

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On March 19 2011 08:17 morimacil wrote:

Nice diagrams! Almost as good as the hand-drawn ones from my graphic designer, Maru-- but because they are part clip-art and cut/paste, and not photo-realistically drawn from human models like the ones in my original post, there are some proportionality problems that show up that I would like to critique:

That image of Raynor is scaled to be like 15% too large... look at where his legs are parting from his torso. This is just showing that the shoulders are 15% too wide for the size of the occupant. The second diagram has the marine elbow at half-way down the forearm of the human occupant. In this circumstance, any arm-bending would snap the forearm in half. The problem of proportionality, shoulder breadth, and armor plating between the torso and the arms remains. I feel as though these attempts to get a human shape to actually fit into a marine armor just further proves the point: there's some serious issues at work here.

ki11z0ne

United States427 Posts

March 18 2011 23:46 GMT

#97

lols you took this too far

The Touch

United Kingdom667 Posts

March 18 2011 23:47 GMT

#98

Clearly Marines have their arms ripped off when they get into their suits, then somehow the suits reattach the arms when the Marine has to get out to pee.