TrinitySC once again demonstrates that how clearly the marine is disproportioned. Raynor is our best example, and i think this most recent set of diagrams shows that there's no way the Raynor Marine can match up to Raynor in terms of shoulder and arm shape.

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

March 19 2011 07:28 GMT

#142

On March 19 2011 14:46 TrinitySC wrote:

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There are 2 dudes in a marauder. Fact.
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HAHahAH this is too good : D

Great work!

Yoshi Kirishima

United States10357 Posts

March 19 2011 07:31 GMT

#143

Nice comparison, but again remember the SC2 trailer? The Marine suits aren't just armor but rather actual power suits. Meaning, the arm is more realistically bent outwards a little. They use those machine thingies that map the human hand to the suit's hand, if u know what I mean. I guess you can check out the trailer to see xD

dLKnighT

Canada735 Posts

March 19 2011 07:32 GMT

#144

Why didn't I think of that?

Cythe

United States47 Posts

March 19 2011 07:33 GMT

#145

Interesting find, but I'm not convinced that the shoulders go completely out into the shoulder metal pads, I can see how the pauldrons are very large to literally cover the top of the shoulders that are on the inner region of the mechanical armor.

Buddhist

United States658 Posts

March 19 2011 08:12 GMT

#146

Did you have to write us a novel to state the obvious fact that marines are extremely overly bulky? It's the same in warhammer: [image loading]

like, i dunno what the artists are thinking, but it's stupid as fuck

The Touch

United Kingdom667 Posts

March 19 2011 09:11 GMT

#147

Rashid

191 Posts

March 19 2011 16:48 GMT

#148

On March 19 2011 17:12 Buddhist wrote:
Did you have to write us a novel to state the obvious fact that marines are extremely overly bulky? It's the same in warhammer: [image loading]

like, i dunno what the artists are thinking, but it's stupid as fuck

there is a difference.

warhammer 40k marines are actually genetically-altered super humans. Their large hulking body frames actually fit nicely within their suit's dimensions.

starcraft marines on the other hand are normal human beings with normal body frames, yet they wear suits larger than their body frames allow.

Abraxas514

Canada475 Posts

March 19 2011 17:22 GMT

#149

Does anyone want to consider the probability that humans are given injections of all kinds of growth hormones to increase their physical size? I mean they take stimpacks and have an expected lifespan in minutes, so how could a few deadly chemicals hurt?

morimacil

France921 Posts

March 19 2011 21:34 GMT

#150

The arms in this pic are in the middle of the marine suit arms, instead of being on the inside, and also much too low.

Paint somehow doesnt allow to rotate stuff without stretching it, so I left the upper arms as they were, but its not hard to see that if the angle on them was slightly different, it would work out fine.
The hands are inside the marine forearms, not inside the marine mechanical gloves.
The shoulderpads encompass the whole upper arm, and most likely the forearm too.

Blazinghand

United States25552 Posts

March 19 2011 23:20 GMT

#151

This modified diagram suffers from the same problem as the others: There's no way the elbow in this could bend without snapping the forearms of the man inside. The main issue is that eating into the width of the shoulders by spreading the arms leads always to a misalignment of the elbow joints, leading to horrible horrible bone-snapping for the occupant of the suit.

The Touch

United Kingdom667 Posts

March 20 2011 00:20 GMT

#152

On March 20 2011 08:20 Blazinghand wrote:
This modified diagram suffers from the same problem as the others: There's no way the elbow in this could bend without snapping the forearms of the man inside. The main issue is that eating into the width of the shoulders by spreading the arms leads always to a misalignment of the elbow joints, leading to horrible horrible bone-snapping for the occupant of the suit.

Just to illustrate this (fear my MS paint skills!)

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Huxtable Prime

United States1 Post

April 09 2011 21:09 GMT

#153

If you watch the trailer, the arms don't go all the way down into the hands.

AndersE

Sweden25 Posts

April 09 2011 21:14 GMT

#154

On March 20 2011 01:48 Rashid wrote:

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In the cinematic where Tychus gets his suit, I don't think he has a "normal body frame". Jim Raynor isn't exactly thin either.

Blazinghand

United States25552 Posts

April 09 2011 21:15 GMT

#155

This has already been explained-- the issue isn't arm length, it's arm angle and shoulder length. Even given that the arms don't go down into the hands, the location of the suit's elbow and shoulder and a person's elbow and shoulder don't line up, and would cause severe, severe breakage in any normal operation.

PlaGuE_R

France1151 Posts

April 09 2011 21:27 GMT

#156

marines =/= suits

marines = mini mecha

they're NOT suits of armour, they're actually more like a mecha, the arms of the marine pretty much end in the elbow of the suit and the legs are actually more like in the shins.

explained in Liberty's Crusade

Blazinghand

United States25552 Posts

April 09 2011 21:34 GMT

#157

Again, and I'm not sure if I've made this clear: It's actually okay how long the arms and legs are. It's pretty obvious that there are mechanical extensions there. The issue is the alignment of the joints-- the marine's arms ARE physically inside the suit's arms, even if the arm's actual strength is servo-assisted, and actual length is suit-assisted. This means that the joints in the suit have to line up with the joints in the arm in order to properly bend without snapping the forearm or upper arm of the occupant.

LENGTH is not the issue, but rather, joints are. I refer you to The Touch's diagram:

On March 20 2011 09:20 The Touch wrote:

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Just to illustrate this (fear my MS paint skills!)

[image loading]

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

April 09 2011 22:14 GMT

#158

yeah people should watch big wars anime XD. Or everything else involving heavy exo suit armors ... But after examining the video a bit closer and the armors i must say. The plating of the arms towards the body is damn thin, really easy to disable the arm, though i guess not much strength needed to move the arms, as servos do this job. Plus you can't snipe in this armor anyway.
PS: test it yourself it works to move with such restrictions, they are on drugs anyway so pain is no problem. But i sure would love servo support moving my arms.

PPS: budget was running low so they didn't made a extra space marine model for the dead hyperion vize captain on char.

Antisocialmunky

United States5912 Posts

April 09 2011 22:46 GMT

#159

Actually, I always through the elbow went at the shoulders and the forearms used a control apparatus kinda like how they do armatures for animations puppets with long arms.
Because you know... the hands are like 8x the size of normal hands.