The New Protoss (GSL Spoiler) - Page 3

On March 11 2011 13:57 avilo wrote:
mass expo cannon turtle.

On March 11 2011 14:35 K3Nyy wrote:
I think scfou would've took all the games easily if he bothered to expand more. Most of the games, san had twice as many bases as sc, yet the games were relatively equal. If sc had more bases, he definitely would've taken the games.

On March 11 2011 13:57 avilo wrote:
The style sanszenith used isn't new, lots of protoss players have been playing this turtle style protoss for a while now, it's very difficult to attack into because there will be a cannon flower at every base like PvZ SC1 style, except you get free warp in storms which is why blizzard is nerfing it.





In response to these two posts, and adding to what linko said, this style is actually one of the easiest to play.

As link0 said, and to elaborate, you start off playing "standard," basically any solid style, and then you begin to expand and mass cannons literally everywhere on the map and tech up to the amulet. Once you have the amulet, your expansions as P no longer can be cost effectively taken out, as you also have your 200/200 main army and 30 gateways for storm warp-in + zealot warp-in.

It is definitely one of the most abusable protoss styles to play while the amulet is still in the game, and lots of protoss on ladder right now play pvt with the goal of simply surviving until they research the amulet into mass expo cannon turtle.

And you are skyze you're also over-exaggerating not being able to survive without the amulet. WITH the amulet, an abusable style like this is possible where you have the "ez button" instant storm at any point on the map. It means any situation where Terran worked hard to gain an advantage right now is instantly negated from storm warp-in. Which is why blizzard is removing it.

But where you are wrong, is this style will still be 100% possible next patch. The key difference being that when you play this turtle protoss cannon mass expo style, you will have to warp in templars to each expansion in advance, which means that when Terran has worked hard and gained an advantage, protoss cannot lazily insta-warp-in storms to the expansion that is currently about to be sieged. Forethought will be required on placing templar at those expansions, just like in SC1 PvZ where you'd have cannon flowers and a templar or two already at the base gathering energy to defend.

So, yah this style is incredibly strong and more should be doing it. And with the amulet nerf, it will still be possible next patch, just not as EZmode. Just like when tanks got nerfed from T. It's still possible to use them, it's just much harder, which is overall good for the game in some ways.

Also, you have to keep in mind that the style sanszenith displayed was dedicating all of his entire vespene gas reserve to only templars. He was not utilizing as many forcefields and immortals+stalkers or even collosus that are already a hard counter to marauder bio balls. So protoss will be entirely fine next patch, they already are doing a little bit tooo good right now...

Regardless of all that, that series was goddamn amazing, i dunno how anyone could have been disappointed with those games.

On March 11 2011 14:45 Geovu wrote:

EZ Button storms? Rofl you are such a troll. Haven't you watched the games the OP talked about? You fool yourself if you have watched the SanZenith games and then honestly think that his style will be "100% possible next patch". He would have gotten absolutely raped in the face by the black libido that is a marauder's powerful, explosive cannon. Marauder medivac was actually more cost effective than zealot HT. SanZenith was barely able to stay alive against the constant aggression against the ridiculously cost efficient combo that is marauders and medivacs, even with OP amulet fueled storms.

"What you stormed me? I'll just move out the storm and lol. What 3 more storms? That's K my marauders can take it. What you have chargelots? Better quickly spam click behind my army and hit S, H or amove every .5 seconds. Wow Terran micro is so hard I should make QQ posts on a forum about how OP stim amulet is. Oh cool since my race isn't Protoss Blizz is listening to me and nerfing what I ask for!"

Not that you would realize any of this, considering Terrans get stim an eternity before Toss can possibly get storm, so you probably aren't capable of imagining your marauders without stim. The ironic thing is that both of the race's "EZ Buttonz" are hotkeyed to T.

P.S. How the hell is constant warp prism and DT harassment, staying in the middle of the map, mass expanding, putting pressure on your opponent while continually slugging your main army against his considered turtling? I think you are confusing your poor brain with the PREVIOUS common-since-the-beta "pray for good forcefields into mass collosus into a-move" strategy.

On March 11 2011 13:26 Cyanocyst wrote:


lol, yeah sure when your trying to beat mass marauder with Ht, Zealot. Then the Terran army is much more cost efficient.

Marauders can actually kite charged Zealots when stimmed, and weather storms well. Combine that with the fact that medivcas are healing. San simply didn't have an optimal unit composition.

You shouldn't base your whole opinion of racial characteristic on one game.

On March 11 2011 14:21 usethis2 wrote:

Not sure how you can put those two together. Mass expo = turtle? That's an intriguing concept.

On March 11 2011 14:38 sLiMpoweR wrote:
i dunno if u know this or not, but its quite hard to mass expand as terran when the protoss has dt tech and warp prisms.

I think its also worth mentioning that sc would have easily won this series if played the same on the next patch. Without warpin storms sc would have rolled him over with bio balls